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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2015 8:10 am
- Will meet with Aldridge and Jordan, Melo has already spoken to LA

-Gasol is only meeting with Memphis

- Knicks targeting Danny Green, Carroll, Monroe, and Matthews
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Could take on Splitter  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 12:14 pm : link
sign Monroe, sign Biyombo, and sign Gerald Green.
I didnt know that about Diaw...  
Italianju : 6/30/2015 12:29 pm : link
might change my opinion, but im not sure.

Koufos at the right price could be a hell of a signing  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/30/2015 12:41 pm : link
When the Cavs were looking for a Center post Varejao injury, they viewed Mozgov and Koufos as roughly on the same tier and had comparable trade offers out for both, but neither team bit. They then threw in an extra pick for Mozgov because they were desperate and he was under contract for an extra year than Koufos. They are very arguably on the same tier as players, when they were on the same team Koufos even started ahead of him
Stuckey is another option  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 12:42 pm : link
that will be half the cost of less than Afflalo. May not be a knockdown 3 point shooter but at half the cost he's has good combo guard skills.
Denver started Koufos over Mozgov  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 12:45 pm : link
all those years they were there together. He is also a few years younger.
For 2 late #1s  
Deej : 6/30/2015 12:45 pm : link
Sure I take Diaw. That's a smart move IMO. Hell, if we need the cap space next year we can trade Diaw, $3 million, and an asset (a #2, extra $400k) to a rebuilding team. They cut Diaw, no cost to them, pocket a little something for their trouble.
RE: Duncan  
Deej : 6/30/2015 12:48 pm : link
In comment 12349171 Carl in CT said:
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is going to be signed as team President for $20m a year for 10 years when he is done. Watch


I think they sell him a 10% stake in the team. Price will be a little cheap, but not outrageous. They will lend him the money on very easy terms, backed only by his stake in the team. With a little bit here and there on such a deal, you can easily give a guy $100 million effectively under the table.
All you need to know about Koufos  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/30/2015 12:54 pm : link
Is that when Marc Gasol, the DPOY caliber big that he is, went to he bench.... Not only did the Grizzlies not suffer defensively with Koufos behind him, they were actually much better. They played to a 96.8 defensive rating this season in 1,348 minutes with Koufos on the floor, which is pretty ridiculous. Damn near 10 points better than league average.

In a lot of ways I view Koufos in the same boat as a Marcin Gortat a few years back, when he was backing up Dwight Howard. He is overshadowed by the guy in front of him, but he's more than capable of being a very serviceable starter
hence  
TommyWiseau : 6/30/2015 12:57 pm : link
Why I want Koufos more then most. If we don't get Deandre, he is the guy we should target
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2015 12:59 pm : link
used to be mocked for liking Gortat! lol
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nygiants16 : 6/30/2015 1:11 pm : link
Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania 8m8 minutes ago
Free agent pursuing the Miami Heat 2-guard spot if Dwyane Wade leaves: Monta Ellis, sources tell RealGM. Sides plan to discuss July visit.
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nygiants16 : 6/30/2015 1:14 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago
Don't think the money will work but #Knicks are among teams on Wes Matthews' radar in free agency, sources w/knowledge of his thinking say.
Hes gonna cost less than half of DJ  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 1:14 pm : link
and can hit a baseline J. For all those who were cracking the whole "fit" thing, DJ doesn't fit as well as Koufos does, and has shown he could flash just as much defensive prowess. And hit FTs. As highly touted as DJ is, the Clippers had a middle of the pack defense, despite having better defenders than we do in Chris Paul and Matt barnes.
I'm hoping for Jordan  
Phil in LA : 6/30/2015 1:15 pm : link
and Bjelica, then whichever 2 fits.
How would the money work for Afflalo  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 1:18 pm : link
but not Wes Matthews? Makes no sense.
Matthews  
EricNY33 : 6/30/2015 1:20 pm : link
is coming off injury. I can't imagine he's going to be able to demand a salary. I am sure his agent will try but I am pretty sure he's going to be disappointed to see what the market is for his services. He's not a star player that can demand money no matter where he goes.
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2015 1:21 pm : link
Free agent DeAndre Jordan is likely looking to sign a four-year deal that allows him to opt out after three seasons, which would nullify the Los Angeles Clippers' advantage in keeping the center, sources told ESPN on Tuesday.

The Clippers could offer Jordan a deal that includes a fifth year worth $27 million.
RE: How would the money work for Afflalo  
Deej : 6/30/2015 1:23 pm : link
In comment 12349264 giantsfan44ab said:
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but not Wes Matthews? Makes no sense.


Unless Wes Matthews thinks he is getting $12+ million? 27 -15 for Monroe leaves 12, right?

Hopefully the money doesnt work for either.
I do not wanna be the team  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 1:23 pm : link
that would be paying him $27 million a year. This dude is not Dwight Howard.
Someone's going to pay him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2015 1:26 pm : link
but I'm not sure he's a legitimate superstar either. He's a rebounding machine and an alley oop guy, but you don't really want to have the guy in your top 3 of payroll when he doesn't score, and isn't a game-changer on defense.
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BeerFridge : 6/30/2015 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12349269 DanMetroMan said:
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Free agent DeAndre Jordan is likely looking to sign a four-year deal that allows him to opt out after three seasons, which would nullify the Los Angeles Clippers' advantage in keeping the center, sources told ESPN on Tuesday.

The Clippers could offer Jordan a deal that includes a fifth year worth $27 million.


This is an interesting dynamic this year. The same is true for Gasol and LMA. The extra year the home teams have is not as big a draw when the cap is about to blow up. Even Melo is gonna look pretty affordable at the end of his deal.
I don't mind  
EricNY33 : 6/30/2015 1:26 pm : link
overpaying for someone like Monroe because he's fairly young and should be worth it in the long run, but I am not overpaying Arron Afflalo and Wesley Matthews.
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nygiants16 : 6/30/2015 1:28 pm : link
Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 1m1 minute ago
Also hearing rumblings that Arron Afflalo is open to--and may ultimately seek--a short term contract that frees him in a year or two.
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nygiants16 : 6/30/2015 1:28 pm : link
Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn 32s32 seconds ago
Don't be surprised if the #Knicks wind up with short-term deals on players. Gives both parties flexibility in the rising cap era.
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giants#1 : 6/30/2015 1:30 pm : link
In comment 12349278 BeerFridge said:
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In comment 12349269 DanMetroMan said:


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Free agent DeAndre Jordan is likely looking to sign a four-year deal that allows him to opt out after three seasons, which would nullify the Los Angeles Clippers' advantage in keeping the center, sources told ESPN on Tuesday.

The Clippers could offer Jordan a deal that includes a fifth year worth $27 million.



This is an interesting dynamic this year. The same is true for Gasol and LMA. The extra year the home teams have is not as big a draw when the cap is about to blow up. Even Melo is gonna look pretty affordable at the end of his deal.


The cap exploding presents a different dynamic for DJ than the other two. Gasol and LMA will both be 30 at the start of the season so if they did a 3 year deal like DJ, they'd be looking for another deal as they (likely) start declining. DJ in 3 years will likely be towards the tail end of his prime but still playing at a high enough level for one more big payday.
Wouldnt it be funny if every GM got smart at the same time  
Deej : 6/30/2015 1:30 pm : link
and the middle class got frozen out of stupid money contracts?

Seems like there are fewer dumb organizations across all sports these days. I was just thinking about it in the NHL, where so many teams are successfully building by bottoming out for a few seasons.
Hahn  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2015 1:34 pm : link
Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn 30s30 seconds ago

Basketball IQ is a top priority for #Knicks in their free agency quest. Don't look for names, look for intelligence.

So rule out DeAndre Jordan.
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nygiants16 : 6/30/2015 1:34 pm : link
Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn 35s35 seconds ago
Basketball IQ is a top priority for #Knicks in their free agency quest. Don't look for names, look for intelligence. #learners
RE: ..  
BeerFridge : 6/30/2015 1:37 pm : link
In comment 12349289 nygiants16 said:
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Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn 35s35 seconds ago
Basketball IQ is a top priority for #Knicks in their free agency quest. Don't look for names, look for intelligence. #learners

Biyombo's out. :)
He wants intelligence?  
giants#1 : 6/30/2015 1:37 pm : link
maybe PJ can get a few of these guys

Way to quiet for  
Carl in CT : 6/30/2015 1:52 pm : link
6/30. Thought there would be more activity.
I grabbed this off the ultimate knicks forum  
djm : 6/30/2015 1:52 pm : link
These are actual quotes from various scouts on KP--these came right before the draft. I saw some of these quotes in the week or two leading up to the draft and one or two of these had me hopeful the Knicks would draft this kid. Seeing 15 or so of them has me even more excited that we did draft this kid...

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Scott Roth, KP's former head coach at Sevilla: "He handled himself really well. He's very mature for his age. He has a great family and a base around him. He's a great, humble kid who's a worker. He's very competitive. He has a lot of intensity and competitive fight in him. That's the most critical component to his success in my opinion."

Roth: "He's going to make open shots. You're going to have to guard him from 15 feet to the 3-point line. His stroke is great. I had Dirk as a rookie. Dirk had more range. But the fluidity and grace of the shot is Dirk-like. He's athletic enough to run the floor. He's deceivingly good as a weak side shot blocker. He's actually very good down in the post. He just doesn't have the strength to maintain his position in the paint. And maybe most importantly, no one will out work him."

NBA GM: "I was watching him warm up and had flashbacks to when I saw Pau Gasol take the floor for the first time in Spain, only this kid is much more athletic than Gasol and plays with that same fluidity. I've been asking my team since then: Are you sure he's not the No. 1 guy? Are these guys in college really better than him?"

Long-time NBA scout: "[Saying they're more] established has nothing to do with [drafting the top Americans over KP]. That's code for, 'I won't get fired if I draft Okafor and he turns into Greg Oden. But I will get fired if Porzingis is the next Darko.'"

Roth:"Most of the international guys that busted didn't love the game. They failed because of a lack of passion and work ethic. It was convenient for them to come over and make a lot of money. Zinger's more in the Dirk mode, in that you can't get him out of the gym. He's also more in the Gasol mode, because he's so skilled. I hate to throw Dirk's name out there so flippantly. He's been so great. I don't think anyone thought when we drafted him he'd be this great. Zinger has some characteristics of Pau. Some of Dirk. But what he becomes? I can't tell you. But I don't think he'll be a bust. At worst he's a really good player. At best, a potential all-star. He's just too skilled, and too competitive to fail."

Long-time NBA GM: "Throw a Kentucky or a Duke jersey on him and you're in a heated debate about who is No. 1 in this draft. He has Dirk's shooting ability and moves and Kirilenko's athleticism. Think about it. What if Dirk had been a better athlete and defender? What if Kirilenko was four or five inches taller and could shoot it? That doesn't come along in the draft every year. I'm not sure it's ever come along in the draft."

NBA GM who had previously been critical of KP's weight/body: "His upper body needs a lot of work, but actually his lower body is pretty good. And for a player like him, that's the half of the body that matters defensively. It could get better, but it's not bad like I thought it was. In a couple of years, it's not going to be an issue."

Roth: "I had Gasol as a rookie in Memphis. They have the same body structure. It's a work in progress. It's not going to be totally fixed in six months. He's going to be 22 or 23 when he gets 20 or 30 pounds. But once his body catches up, he's going to be a monster."

Roth: "I've been around a lot of Europeans; things like passion or the ability for him to make the transition, it's not an issue with him. You put him in competitive situations he'll play as hard as anyone. He got beat up a lot. His competitive fire is as high as anyone. You just don't see 7-1 guys who love to play like he does. You have to kick him out of the gym. He knows the NBA. It's a passion and love for him and that will vault him into being a great player in the NBA."

NBA GM on why KP can't go first overall: "I just think Towns is the best player in the draft. I'm not sure Minnesota knows that yet, but I think they will be the end of the process. And if they don't, it's because Flip [Saunders] fell in love with Okafor."

Long-time international scout: "He's my favorite player in this draft. I keep telling my staff: This one is not like other international players. He's the real deal. He's special in all the ways a player can be special. He just needs to get stronger. That's it. He's going to be a big-time pro."

Western Conference executive: The kid can flat-out shoot. Now hes really, really thin, but hes athletic. A 7-footer who can step out and hit 3s is something.

Bobby Marks, former BKN Asst. GM: Id take Porzingis at four. Then Im talking to the fans and the media about how the team is going to be built going forward. Id make sure the pressure on Porzingis is not too high, and I think that hes a piece of the puzzle.

Fran Fraschilla: If youre picking four, youre essentially gambling. I dont know how you can come up with a better gamble than a guy thats 7-feet-1 on his way to 7-2, whos athletic, graceful, shoots the ball from 3, blocks shots and is 19 years old. I get the idea of the buzz factor, but after Okafor, Towns and Russell are gone, you might as well gamble and draft a kid who potentially could be along the lines of Dirk Nowitzki, (Pau) Gasol, (Andrei) Kirilenko. Hes a graceful player. His English is great. Hes a basketball junkie.

Gregg Polinsky, BKN Dir. of Player Personnel: Hes got a chance to be very good. The body is not there yet; hes very thin. Everyone talks about how he shoots the basketball, but what separates him is hes really competitive. Hes so skinny yet hes willing to take a pounding. Most guys built like that are not. He has that special quality mentally to go along with a skill thats valued in our league.

Chris Ekstrand, NBA consultant: Youre talking about a league that values speed and shooting ability. You dont see Charles Oakley and Dale Davis and Otis Thorpe anymore, so hes not going to have to play those types. Its made for a stretch-4, guys who are tall and can shoot away from the basket. Thats what Porzingis does.

Larry Sanders, former Pistons trainer, current Sevilla trainer: "When you grow (as fast Kris has), your body has a whole new neural field, basically. Your body doesn't really know where it is in space, so it's really hard to take contact or deliver contact when your body doesn't really know where you are. So for him, we had to get him used to his body before we could work on getting him stronger. Any kind of excess weight is just not functional. You try to make the body as efficient a machine as possible."

Sanders: "If you notice, he jumps really well off of both his right and left legs independently. That's not by accident. His core is unbelievable. At the beginning of the season, I could get leverage on him and all of that. But toward the end of the season, he learned how to absorb contact and not only hold his ground, but also hold his ground to where he could change direction."

Sanders: "When I was with the Pistons, we were doing pre-draft workouts and looking into John Henson. With him, his ratio of shoulder-to-hip is smaller than his hips. He didn't have much room to grow. With Kris, it's opposite. He has track legs and has a built lower body to go with broader shoulders."


Eastern Conference GM: I think there is a strong chance he lands in the top four picks. The Lakers, Knicks and 76ers are all possible options. He has the length and athleticism of Andrei Kirilenko and stroke and footwork like Dirk Nowitzki. He will be the best prospect in this draft while also having the best upside.

A different Eastern Conference GM: Hes really good and I think he should be in the conversation at No. 2."
5/15/15

NBA GM: "He could go two. He's that good. Nobody says anything bad about him."

NBA Head of Basketball Operations: "I think he's a lock for the top five and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go as high as top three. He's good. We all like to do our comparables. He's like Dirk Nowitzki or Pau Gasol...I'd take him ahead of (Jahlil) Okafor."

A former NBA Executive of the Year: If the draft was one year from now, I think Porzingis goes No. 1. Hes just not fully formed yet and thats getting in the way of peoples decisions. But one more year, and I think it would be him and then [Karl-Anthony Towns, Russell and Okafor].

NBA GM: If Karl Towns doesnt turn out, you could survive that. If Porzingis is a bust, youre probably getting canned.


Maybe just maybe we look back at those two annoying wins down the stretch of the season as the best thing this franchise ever did. If the Knicks lose those games and end up picking 1-2 maybe they don't take KP. Maybe they take Oke if Philly takes Mudiay...who knows...but I can't wait to see what this kid can do over the next few years. Fans have been so negative calling in to espn and fan..blaming the team for winning 2 games down the stretch, they are losing sight of what this team finally has here...two young talents in Grant and KP and a star scorer in Melo...we finally have hope.
I guess I could have started a new thread  
djm : 6/30/2015 1:53 pm : link
but all the Knicks stuff is here..figured this was as good a place as any to drum up the KP love.
Monroe-15  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 1:54 pm : link
Koufus-8 (if less, even better)
O'Quinn-4
Gerald Green-mini MLE
RE: Way to quiet for  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2015 1:57 pm : link
In comment 12349306 Carl in CT said:
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6/30. Thought there would be more activity.


Nobody can actually meet or talk until midnight.
there's been a lot of doom and gloom  
djm : 6/30/2015 2:02 pm : link
on the air waves lately and I just can't see why fans aren't more hopeful and excited about the future. This young talent combo of Grant and KP...we have NEVER had a day like this in draft history going back to the 80! Never! Maybe these guys bust but how any fan can focus on bad luck lottery shit or winning two games down the stretch or MElo's window...just amazing to me. Further validates my belief that fans like to be miserable. The media serves it up and so many fans suck it up.

I'm sure i'm setting myself up for misery but I am so pumped about the Knicks right now. Seems I am not alone on BBI...Just do yourself a favor and turn the radio down because it will damper your mood before too long.

"Nobody can talk until midnight"  
Carl in CT : 6/30/2015 2:03 pm : link
and pigs fly!
djm  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 2:03 pm : link
thanks for the post. Really gets my hyped up for him. I hope he is able to get healthy and play in Summer League. If not, thats alright. Isn't he going to be playing in some European competition later this summer?
"You dont see Charles Oakley and Dale Davis and Otis Thorpe anymore"  
Chris684 : 6/30/2015 2:05 pm : link
This is a sad commentary for the sport as far as I'm concerned.
I can't stand much ESPN stuff basketball related  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 2:09 pm : link
they all have the same exact thing to stay. Stephen A. Smith, Mike and Mike, Broussard, Cowherd, etc. etc. Not one mentions the type of prospect KP is, or even talks about the whole thought process behind the pick. Yeah, I get its cool to make of of Phil jackson nowadays, but its not like hes some fuck that's making irrational decisions. Did you not think that Phil expected this sort of reaction from unknowledgable basketball fans and media? Move past that and try analyzing it on a deeper approach.

Ryen Russillo and Chad Ford respected the decision. Amin Al-Hassan, a former EXECUTIVE, said it was the best think the Knicks could've done. I'm starting to get sick of it.
RE:  
Enzo : 6/30/2015 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12349316 Carl in CT said:
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and pigs fly!

this is sort of the way it works every year.
I'm starting to get nervous with everyone  
Enzo : 6/30/2015 2:16 pm : link
throwing bouquets at Porzingis. I'm not used to having a young guy around that everyone is in love with.
Haha I wouldn't go that far  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 2:21 pm : link
I may be holding him a bit higher now that he is a Knick, but I got pretty scared on him a few days before the draft, maybe even irrationally so. I wouldn't set the bar at Dirk or Pau and analyze him from the standard. All players are different to an extent, and he is about as different from any player I have seen as can be, for better or worse. It's a unique, mysterious situation and I just want to see for myself instead of speculating what he is going to become.
Anyone who can shoot like that has a chance to be a special  
yatqb : 6/30/2015 2:29 pm : link
player down the line, and a contributor right away. He's got a great shot, and it can't be blocked as his release is so high.
Agree with yatqb  
manh george : 6/30/2015 2:34 pm : link
Besides, he brings three things in rare combination: the shooting, the ridiculous height, and quickness/agility. That is an amazing place to start from, even for next year.

Yes, he will get pushed around under the boards and on defense, but who is going to guard him? PFs will want no part of going out to his shooting range and trying to chase him.
.  
Anakim : 6/30/2015 2:38 pm : link
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 48s48 seconds ago
Dallas, New York, Chicago, Cleveland and, of course, Houston are among the teams interested in Patrick Beverley (@patbev21), per sources.
decided to watch some Bargs Euro  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/30/2015 2:39 pm : link
highlights to see how he compared to KP.

Bargs was so much stronger and seems to be more skilled at the same stage. But you can tell that Porzingis is a much more fluid athlete with better balance.

Bargs is such a sloth these days but his Euro highlights were damn impressive. There's a reason he went #1. I'd say Bargs was a better prospect than KP at the same stage, but KP is a better athlete which could help him translate into the NBA better.
the agents/writers are throwing us out there  
Enzo : 6/30/2015 2:41 pm : link
with EVERY decent free agent. Just like the fateful summer of 2010! It's really going to be deja vu when I'm sitting on the beach this weekend checking twitter every 90 seconds.
Bargnani  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2015 2:46 pm : link
was also older than Zinger. He was 21 on opening night aka a full year older.
Would love to land Beverly  
Doubledeuce22 : 6/30/2015 2:47 pm : link
but I don't see HOU letting him walk. If I'm Phil I would push for Matthews/Monroe.

Calderon/Grant
Matthews
Melo
KP
Monroe

I would just play small all year. If you can add a Biyombo for cheap do it but playing small ball in the East is definitely doable.
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