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NFT: Puerto Rico's debt crisis

Dunedin81 : 6/30/2015 8:36 am
This was mentioned on the Greek debt thread but I think it deserves its own thread. It is both foreboding and interesting. Many forget that several American states had debt crises in the 19th Century, and while Puerto Rico's ties to the US are somewhat more complicated I am curious to see how Washington reacts.

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Puerto Rico’s governor, saying he needs to pull the island out of a “death spiral,” has concluded that the commonwealth cannot pay its roughly $72 billion in debts, an admission that will probably have wide-reaching financial repercussions.

The governor, Alejandro García Padilla, and senior members of his staff said in an interview last week that they would probably seek significant concessions from as many as all of the island’s creditors, which could include deferring some debt payments for as long as five years or extending the timetable for repayment.

“The debt is not payable,” Mr. García Padilla said. “There is no other option. I would love to have an easier option. This is not politics, this is math.”

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who else thinks Puerto Rico will just become an official State of the  
GMAN4LIFE : 6/30/2015 8:49 am : link
US?
Ironically there is an almost eerie precedent for this...  
Dunedin81 : 6/30/2015 9:00 am : link
Newfoundland used to be coequal with Canada is a dominion. It accrued so much debt (and sadly a good deal of that debt was accrued fighting the UK's wars) that it was joined to Canada and simply became another Canadian province.
They voted down statehood  
I Love Clams Casino : 6/30/2015 9:22 am : link
a number of years back.

How difficult is it to change Puerto Rico's ability  
Rob in CT/NYC : 6/30/2015 9:23 am : link
to declare bankruptcy, affording it the same protections as other states and cities?

Act of Congress, I assume...
The  
AcidTest : 6/30/2015 9:28 am : link
article says:

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A proposed debt exchange, where creditors would replace their current debt with new bonds with terms more favorable to Puerto Rico.


I assume that means extending the terms of the bonds, and slashing their interest rates in order to reduce debt payments. That plus more budge cuts, and some tax incentives to encourage investment. But many businesses and people have already left the island, which just erodes the tax base.

If that doesn't work, then what? PR can't declare bankruptcy, unless Congress changes the law to allow them to do so. Either way, as the article notes, a lot of investors own PR bonds, either directly, or indirectly, through mutual funds. And this will just make borrowing by other municipalities more expensive, especially after what happened in Detroit, etc.

It's a very bad situation.
RE: How difficult is it to change Puerto Rico's ability  
SwirlingEddie : 6/30/2015 9:45 am : link
In comment 12348890 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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to declare bankruptcy, affording it the same protections as other states and cities?

Act of Congress, I assume...


There is little to no appetite in Congress to do something in an election cycle that will be viewed as a government bailout.
Much of the crisis is US made  
WideRight : 6/30/2015 9:49 am : link
I'll first qualify that a 73B debt for an island nation of millions is unbeleivably irresponsible, but the US played a major role.

There is minimal indigenious economics to PR. What they did have was largely a means to exploit loopholes. For example, the pharmaceutical industry flourished in PR because manufacturers could produce their drugs with required federal oversight, but without certain federal and local taxes. So it was the largest imported industry for a long time until the US closed the loophole (not sure how) four to five years ago and the industry started to pull out. Those were great jobs that just dissappeared. Government planning based on that job sector got burned. The US just didn't care one bit. The timing between that and PR death spiral is not a coincidence.
Anyone know what % of PR bonds are insured?  
njm : 6/30/2015 9:51 am : link
And does insurance cover only principal or are interest payments included?

With the bonds being tax exempt nation wide, I'm sure there are some tax exempt mutual funds and individuals who move frequently who will be affected.
That 72 billion in debt clearly went into pockets  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2015 9:54 am : link
As a Puerto Rican, the infrastructure there is crumbling, and corruption is as rampant as street crime has become.

Incredibly sad.
I read that these bonds are in alot of mutual funds  
WideRight : 6/30/2015 9:58 am : link
Some carry upto to 5% of their portfolio in PR bonds...

Doesn't look good for them.
how far behnd is the main land?  
Hilary : 6/30/2015 10:04 am : link
We will without question start seeing municipalities and states have the same problem.In many regions of upstate New York the population is declining as are private sector jobs.I cannot see how many of the cities and towns here will be able to pay the pensions of the teachers,public employees and the welfare and medicaid costs of the indigent.
RE: That 72 billion in debt clearly went into pockets  
asbasb : 6/30/2015 10:31 am : link
In comment 12348942 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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As a Puerto Rican, the infrastructure there is crumbling, and corruption is as rampant as street crime has become.

Incredibly sad.


Sounds like NJ. Can we send you christie? Maybe he can solve your problems (he failed with ours)
RE: RE: That 72 billion in debt clearly went into pockets  
njm : 6/30/2015 10:54 am : link
In comment 12349003 asbasb said:
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In comment 12348942 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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As a Puerto Rican, the infrastructure there is crumbling, and corruption is as rampant as street crime has become.

Incredibly sad.



Sounds like NJ. Can we send you christie? Maybe he can solve your problems (he failed with ours)


New Jersey would be better off if we sent them Steve Sweeney instead.
the untold story  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/30/2015 10:57 am : link
is how many billions of dollars American taxpayers have spent on the corrupt cesspool that is the U.S. Virgin Islands.
States  
stretch234 : 6/30/2015 11:56 am : link
Some places in upstate NY are doing well. Saratoga county with Global Foundries and others continues to add jobs that are well paying.

Rochester still has a lot of small manufacturing that have many who are ex Kodak or Xerox people. A lot of expertise is still there

Even Buffalo has pockets of manufacturing.

Upstate, Central & Western NY are going to continue to grow in the food industry due to the abundance of water.

NY to some extent has figured out that empty buildings do not contribute to the tax base, people with jobs do - and manufacturing jobs pay well.
Mutual funds still holding a lot of PR bonds  
Tony in Tampa : 6/30/2015 12:34 pm : link
Have no one to blame but themselves. PR debt crisis did not happen overnight. Financial institutions have Surveillance groups that do risk management/mitigation on their assets. I'm sure the signs that this was coming have been evident for a while. Plenty of time to reduce their exposure in bond portfolios.
Things I can talk about, things I can't.  
manh george : 6/30/2015 12:57 pm : link
Under Chapter 9, States can't declare bankruptcy. Issuers secured by "special revenues" can't either. Local governments can only declare bankruptcy if their states provide a vehicle for doing so.
With regards to city and municipal solvency, they become pretty  
kicker : 6/30/2015 1:02 pm : link
apparent when they are struggling. There is a vicious cycle where distressed cities and municipalities impact amenities, lowering housing prices (and property tax revenues) and depressing the tax base, which further depresses the area.

Rarely is it a one-time shock that sends them into permanent (or continued) distress.
RE: RE: How difficult is it to change Puerto Rico's ability  
Deej : 6/30/2015 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12348924 SwirlingEddie said:
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In comment 12348890 Rob in CT/NYC said:


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to declare bankruptcy, affording it the same protections as other states and cities?

Act of Congress, I assume...



There is little to no appetite in Congress to do something in an election cycle that will be viewed as a government bailout.


It all depends on how much they owe Goldman.

In all seriousness, we can probably do a world of good without necessarily costing the taxpayer a penny. PR restructures debt with a federal government guarantee -- interest rate should approach Treasury rates given the guarantee. We do it for foreign governments all the time.
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