that there were Libya-related emails that she did not turnover to the State Dept (i.e. they were among those she decided to delete).
And of course these emails were from/to Mr Blumenthal whom the Obama Administration barred her from hiring.
I doubt these 15 emails contained a "smoking gun", but if she deleted those what else did she delete from her server? HRC's deleted emails - ( New Window )
the email thing isnt a scandal either. She did not violate regs in using her personal email address. It was standard practice for SoS's. In fact, Kerry appears to be the first SoS to primarily use a @state.gov address.
A lot of people have cited some reg that prohibited it, but that reg became effective after she left office.
So the rule was that if you use personal email for work that you're required to turn over the work emails to the agency. Hilary did that. She turned over 30k emails. She deemed another 30k emails to be non-work related (really, it was probably an aide).
What's the scandal? Conservatives dont believe her that the other 30k emails were personal. That's just a bald accusation, nothing more. But personal emails were never subject to the record keeping requirement, so if she had done the 30k pure work emails on the state.gov server, the other 30k would not be government records.
Moreover, just think about the purported scandal. Maybe I just know this as a commercial litigator who deals with discovery of electronically stored information all the time, but email is just about the dumbest thing you could try to make disappear. Because it is correspondence, SOMEONE ELSE HAS THE FUCKING EMAILS. Anyone she emailed or got emails from has their own copies. Then there are disk images, deleted but not written over files, temporary files, cloud backups (e.g. MIMECAST) that users often arent aware of or thought were eliminated, mobile devices, etc. It's just a nightmare to try to hide emails from a deep pocketed investigator. Link - ( New Window )
1. It's already been found that some of those "other 30k" emails were work related (see link in previous post)
2. Yes, someone else has the emails (if they didn't scrub them too), but you have to know who that someone is to get copies. You can't just subpoena the entire State Dept and expect them to comb through every email everyone sent to see if HRC was part of the chain (well you probably could, but it would take years and millions of $$$).
If Hilary had been using two email addresses, one personal and one @state.gov, Blumenthal probably would have sent the emails to the personal one and they therefore would not have been subject to State record keeping.
I get the optics. It's odd to me that Clinton and Powell used private email addresses for State business. It's odd to me that Walker, Bush, and Rubio are doing official business on private email accounts. Apparently it is fairly common among politicians.
What I dont get is why Powell, Walker, Bush, and Rubio get a pass while when Hilary does it you all deem it Nixonian.
If Hilary had been using two email addresses, one personal and one @state.gov, Blumenthal probably would have sent the emails to the personal one and they therefore would not have been subject to State record keeping.
I get the optics. It's odd to me that Clinton and Powell used private email addresses for State business. It's odd to me that Walker, Bush, and Rubio are doing official business on private email accounts. Apparently it is fairly common among politicians.
What I dont get is why Powell, Walker, Bush, and Rubio get a pass while when Hilary does it you all deem it Nixonian.
To my knowledge Powell isn't running for anything.
Who said Rubio/Bush/Walker get a pass? Though I don't recall reading that the 3 of them wiped their servers clean.
And Blumenthal was emailing HRC about Libya and often policy related (widely reported), how is that not related to State business? Sending it to her personal email (an assumption by HRC defenders) doesn't turn State business into personal business. The excuses made for her are ridiculous.
That doesn't make sense to me since the correspondence Â
was about gov't business. If Blumenthal had sent them to her personal address (if she were to have a gov't address), that wouldn't make them any less of a business affair where the emails should have been turned over. Otherwise, anytime anyone wanted to do off-book were they would just use a private account and then claim it's all private stuff and shield it from oversight (which is what I think this is all about anyway). The other thing, in this which is untruthful is her reason for not having a gov't address, "it's inconvenient for me to carry two devices" which was also proven to be false by her own words in interviews and (I believe) pictures of her with two devices.
RE: That doesn't make sense to me since the correspondence Â
was about gov't business. If Blumenthal had sent them to her personal address (if she were to have a gov't address), that wouldn't make them any less of a business affair where the emails should have been turned over. Otherwise, anytime anyone wanted to do off-book were they would just use a private account and then claim it's all private stuff and shield it from oversight (which is what I think this is all about anyway). The other thing, in this which is untruthful is her reason for not having a gov't address, "it's inconvenient for me to carry two devices" which was also proven to be false by her own words in interviews and (I believe) pictures of her with two devices.
She needed for private emails with Bill although Bill does not actually use email.
Did she claim not to have a government email address, or a government issued device. I was under the impression she was using her personal phone to view her emails to a government address.
Did she claim not to have a government email address, or a government issued device. I was under the impression she was using her personal phone to view her emails to a government address.
she did not use an @state.gov email address.
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Did she claim not to have a government email address, or a government issued device. I was under the impression she was using her personal phone to view her emails to a government address.
she did not use an @state.gov email address.
She wouldn't have been able to use a .gov address (I don't think) since she by passed the gov't servers altogether, opting to run one out of her basement.
RE: RE: RE: Blumenthal doesnt work for the government Â
What I dont get is why Powell, Walker, Bush, and Rubio get a pass while when Hilary does it you all deem it Nixonian.
Look up. Rubio deleted emails. Bush and Walker didnt turn them over. Still havent to the best of my knowledge.
I thought Bush released (most?) his. That said, too many crappy R candidates to follow in detail at this point. Only 1 real D candidate makes it stand out more.
Have any of those 3 been found to delete (or not release) emails that were directly tied to their jobs?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Blumenthal doesnt work for the government Â
Have any of those 3 been found to delete (or not release) emails that were directly tied to their jobs?
See 11:57pm post from sphinx, which quotes the WSJ saying "When the Orlando Sentinel filed a public-records request for the emails from the private account about the legislative session, Mr. Rubio’s spokeswoman said they had been deleted"
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Blumenthal doesnt work for the government Â
Have any of those 3 been found to delete (or not release) emails that were directly tied to their jobs?
See 11:57pm post from sphinx, which quotes the WSJ saying "When the Orlando Sentinel filed a public-records request for the emails from the private account about the legislative session, Mr. Rubio’s spokeswoman said they had been deleted"
Then everything I've said about HRC also applies to Rubio. Neither of them are justified in deleting emails.
they only care about two things: getting elected and getting re-elected. Christie is horrible. Take a drive down the shore and tell me where all the billions went.
The 1st politician that makes campaign finance reform, lobbying reform and congressional term limits their platform will get my vote.
And of course these emails were from/to Mr Blumenthal whom the Obama Administration barred her from hiring.
I doubt these 15 emails contained a "smoking gun", but if she deleted those what else did she delete from her server?
HRC's deleted emails - ( New Window )
A lot of people have cited some reg that prohibited it, but that reg became effective after she left office.
So the rule was that if you use personal email for work that you're required to turn over the work emails to the agency. Hilary did that. She turned over 30k emails. She deemed another 30k emails to be non-work related (really, it was probably an aide).
What's the scandal? Conservatives dont believe her that the other 30k emails were personal. That's just a bald accusation, nothing more. But personal emails were never subject to the record keeping requirement, so if she had done the 30k pure work emails on the state.gov server, the other 30k would not be government records.
Moreover, just think about the purported scandal. Maybe I just know this as a commercial litigator who deals with discovery of electronically stored information all the time, but email is just about the dumbest thing you could try to make disappear. Because it is correspondence, SOMEONE ELSE HAS THE FUCKING EMAILS. Anyone she emailed or got emails from has their own copies. Then there are disk images, deleted but not written over files, temporary files, cloud backups (e.g. MIMECAST) that users often arent aware of or thought were eliminated, mobile devices, etc. It's just a nightmare to try to hide emails from a deep pocketed investigator. Link - ( New Window )
1. It's already been found that some of those "other 30k" emails were work related (see link in previous post)
2. Yes, someone else has the emails (if they didn't scrub them too), but you have to know who that someone is to get copies. You can't just subpoena the entire State Dept and expect them to comb through every email everyone sent to see if HRC was part of the chain (well you probably could, but it would take years and millions of $$$).
I get the optics. It's odd to me that Clinton and Powell used private email addresses for State business. It's odd to me that Walker, Bush, and Rubio are doing official business on private email accounts. Apparently it is fairly common among politicians.
What I dont get is why Powell, Walker, Bush, and Rubio get a pass while when Hilary does it you all deem it Nixonian.
I get the optics. It's odd to me that Clinton and Powell used private email addresses for State business. It's odd to me that Walker, Bush, and Rubio are doing official business on private email accounts. Apparently it is fairly common among politicians.
What I dont get is why Powell, Walker, Bush, and Rubio get a pass while when Hilary does it you all deem it Nixonian.
To my knowledge Powell isn't running for anything.
Who said Rubio/Bush/Walker get a pass? Though I don't recall reading that the 3 of them wiped their servers clean.
And Blumenthal was emailing HRC about Libya and often policy related (widely reported), how is that not related to State business? Sending it to her personal email (an assumption by HRC defenders) doesn't turn State business into personal business. The excuses made for her are ridiculous.
she did not use an @state.gov email address.
What I dont get is why Powell, Walker, Bush, and Rubio get a pass while when Hilary does it you all deem it Nixonian.
Look up. Rubio deleted emails. Bush and Walker didnt turn them over. Still havent to the best of my knowledge.
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Did she claim not to have a government email address, or a government issued device. I was under the impression she was using her personal phone to view her emails to a government address.
she did not use an @state.gov email address.
She wouldn't have been able to use a .gov address (I don't think) since she by passed the gov't servers altogether, opting to run one out of her basement.
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What I dont get is why Powell, Walker, Bush, and Rubio get a pass while when Hilary does it you all deem it Nixonian.
Look up. Rubio deleted emails. Bush and Walker didnt turn them over. Still havent to the best of my knowledge.
I thought Bush released (most?) his. That said, too many crappy R candidates to follow in detail at this point. Only 1 real D candidate makes it stand out more.
Have any of those 3 been found to delete (or not release) emails that were directly tied to their jobs?
Have any of those 3 been found to delete (or not release) emails that were directly tied to their jobs?
See 11:57pm post from sphinx, which quotes the WSJ saying "When the Orlando Sentinel filed a public-records request for the emails from the private account about the legislative session, Mr. Rubio’s spokeswoman said they had been deleted"
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Have any of those 3 been found to delete (or not release) emails that were directly tied to their jobs?
See 11:57pm post from sphinx, which quotes the WSJ saying "When the Orlando Sentinel filed a public-records request for the emails from the private account about the legislative session, Mr. Rubio’s spokeswoman said they had been deleted"
Then everything I've said about HRC also applies to Rubio. Neither of them are justified in deleting emails.
The 1st politician that makes campaign finance reform, lobbying reform and congressional term limits their platform will get my vote.