Title of the film is "Creed" and it centers around Apollo Creeds son. When I first heard about this film a few months ago I was skeptical, but the trailer is pretty good. Creed Trailer - ( New Window )
But I loved Fruitvale Station, same director and star as this movie. That along with being a big fan of the Rocky series and I'll be at the theater unless the Rotten Tomatoes is under 40%.
and, for the most part, liked the Rocky movies. However, there's only so much you can do with the story line before you say that you've already seen that 100 times.
I heard about the movie, but trailer looks great, and it's really nice to see that Stallone has a lesser role, which was much needed if they are trying to reboot.
I think this one will be a sleeper, good director/actor and a story that focuses on the current and less on Rocko. I like the story line too.
I love boxing, from fandom to participation as a result of watching Rocky as a kid. This year has four films about the sport due to come out before years end with three getting oscar buzz as follows:
Southpaw - Jake Gyllenhall getting props for his performance
Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
Bleed for This - Story of Vinny Pazienza played by Miles Teller. Set off a bidding war at this years Cannes
Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.
For me, it took off when rocky appeared. Otherwise, the Creed name has little value to the project. In my mind, this is what Rocky V should have been like.
It was a victim of the whole riches to rags story line and the rest went downhill. If they had simply never made that movie, this is what it could/should have been. Without Adrian and years after his career was over, Rocky could have lived a more modest life and run (or re-opened) Mickey's gym. Besides, how much money could Rocky really have made in about a dozen or so title defenses against 2nd rate fighters back then?
Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.
There's a special on Netflix about the whole No Mas controversy and it was about so much more than him having a tummy ache. I recommend you check it out if you're interested.
Focuses more on the relationship between Duran and his trainer. Also, what made No Mas so incredible was that Duran prior to the Leonard days was an absolute killer. Whoever referenced the 30 for 30 on this...yes it gives good insight.
Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
Now the Vinny Paz movie is all about a guy who after winning the world title breaks his neck in a car wreck and told he'll be lucky to walk again let alone fight. This special warrior was having none of that and against doctors orders lifted weights with a metal halo screwed in his skull. Went on to fight again. Guy was all balls
I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.
the fact that after their first fight, Duran was so pleased with his win (beating Leonard was a big deal to him) that he partied, drank and ate himself to be extremely out of shape. Then when the 2nd fight came around shortly there after, he scrambled to make weight, while Leonard adjusted his game plan and boxed Duran instead of going toe to toe as he did previously.
This resulted in a sluggish Duran chasing Leonard around the whole fight and Leonard openly playing to the crowd and toying with him. I personally think that while cramps had something to do with it, it was really a fit of pride and humiliation that caused Duran to just say "screw this" and quit mid-fight.
For me, it took off when rocky appeared. Otherwise, the Creed name has little value to the project. In my mind, this is what Rocky V should have been like.
It was a victim of the whole riches to rags story line and the rest went downhill. If they had simply never made that movie, this is what it could/should have been. Without Adrian and years after his career was over, Rocky could have lived a more modest life and run (or re-opened) Mickey's gym. Besides, how much money could Rocky really have made in about a dozen or so title defenses against 2nd rate fighters back then?
Exactly - the idea of an older Rocky mentoring a young fighter isn't a bad idea, they just flubbed it with Rocky V...this could be good, likely full of cliches but then, the whole Rocky franchise is good as long as you
don't take it too seriously
But, i think I am in a vast minority of fans that never liked Leonard. I am also in the minority of fans that thought Hagler not only won his fight with Leonard, but won it by a decent margin. after the first few rounds, he controlled the fight while Leonard ran and showboated. then he would try to land a combo with some flair at the end of the round. Hagler certainly didn't dominate as I expected him to and he didn't get the knockout I expected, but he did control the fight. that is also because Leonard mostly did nothing but sit back most of the fight.
I thought Hagler won as well. I look at that decision as one of the horrific ones at that time. And given what has come out about corruption back in those days - having it rigged isn't too far-fetched.
Pretty much reminded me of almost any De La Hoya fight. How many of his fights were reported as "controversial decisions"? Seems like nearly every one.
how many young boxers you know breaking in at age 28? Even 25? Your old fast and early in the fight game.
No idea, I don't follow the sport that closely, but I deffinetly don't think he would be too old for the character. I'd say he is probably about the right age for the character. He's 28, which puts him at least two years too young to play Creeds real kid. (Rocky IV was released in 1985, meaning Creeds actual kid would have to be at least 30) Most actors play younger then they are, but he's just under the correct age for the character.
'No idea, I don't follow the sport that closely'...
If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.
RE: 'No idea, I don't follow the sport that closely'...
Your missing the point, the actors age fits the age of the character he is playing. Now you can not agree with him entering boxing at that age, but he is not too old to play Creeds son.
If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.
If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.
Who's to say that the film has to follow along the timeline of the release dates of the movies? Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.
Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.
The first film directly involved the 1976 bicentennial as a storyline.
Whoops, forgot about that. But Rocky II picks up immediately after the events of Rocky, but was released 3 years later. Just making the point that elapsed time within the storyline shouldnt be a focus.
I thought Hagler won as well. I look at that decision as one of the horrific ones at that time. And given what has come out about corruption back in those days - having it rigged isn't too far-fetched.
Pretty much reminded me of almost any De La Hoya fight. How many of his fights were reported as "controversial decisions"? Seems like nearly every one.
It's very rare, especially now, to find someone who agrees with me on that. I admit I didn't like Leonard and I really liked Hagler, but Leonard did absolutely nothing that fight but run away from Hagler and then mug for the fans/judges the last minute or less of a round. Hagler controlled almost every round.
If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.
Who's to say that the film has to follow along the timeline of the release dates of the movies? Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.
I don't remember which film or what the age was, but Rocky's age was mentioned in at least one of them.
The only logic here is that this film isn't necessarily in real time. First, I don't think they intend for Rocky to be nearly 70, which is what his age would be approaching if not already there based on the 1976 original fight. I think, based on the Rocky Balboa film, they have him at about 60-65.
As for Creed, as mentioned, if they were going by true time elapsed, the youngest his son could be is 30. But, his kids were older than newborns in Rocky III. It would make more sense for this to be his grandson based on that.
it was Creed's grandson. But, in the trailer, he did say Apollo was his father. That would mean this film really needs to suspend real time and it is about 5-10 years earlier.
RE: I thought when I originally read about this film
it was Creed's grandson. But, in the trailer, he did say Apollo was his father. That would mean this film really needs to suspend real time and it is about 5-10 years earlier.
I think you guys have officially passed into "spent way too much time considering the timeline of the freaking Rocky movies" territory. I guarantee you have given it more thought than the filmmakers!
C'mon, give us credit. I thought I might have been confusing the End of Cold War Russian conflict with the Rambo movies. To be fair, Stallone gives an equally shitty soliloquy in both about living together in peace....
I just saw Rambo: first Blood Part 2 the other night. Not only was it a similar speech, but the acting in was even worse in the Rambo version.
But, Chris is probably right. We have spent too much time on this and the film makers probably just expect most people to accept it as is. When push comes to shove, I'll watch it just because it's a Rocky film. And, unless it enters Rocky V territory, which doesn't seem to be the case based on the trailer, I'll enjoy it.
You can say that Rocky IV actually took place in the near future, and that Creed died closer to the end of the Cold War in 1991. Unknown to Creed was that his wife had just found out she was pregnant before he fought Drago. That would put his kid at a more reasonable age of 24. Problem solved.
You can say that Rocky IV actually took place in the near future, and that Creed died closer to the end of the Cold War in 1991. Unknown to Creed was that his wife had just found out she was pregnant before he fought Drago. That would put his kid at a more reasonable age of 24. Problem solved.
I'm looking forward to this. I always loved the Rocky franchise, and and if any actor can help carry it, it's Michael B. Jordan.
I love boxing, from fandom to participation as a result of watching Rocky as a kid. This year has four films about the sport due to come out before years end with three getting oscar buzz as follows:
Southpaw - Jake Gyllenhall getting props for his performance
Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
Bleed for This - Story of Vinny Pazienza played by Miles Teller. Set off a bidding war at this years Cannes
Oh there he is...
I'm not big on reboots or sequels but this looks good. I'm looking forward to it.
Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.
It was a victim of the whole riches to rags story line and the rest went downhill. If they had simply never made that movie, this is what it could/should have been. Without Adrian and years after his career was over, Rocky could have lived a more modest life and run (or re-opened) Mickey's gym. Besides, how much money could Rocky really have made in about a dozen or so title defenses against 2nd rate fighters back then?
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Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.
There's a special on Netflix about the whole No Mas controversy and it was about so much more than him having a tummy ache. I recommend you check it out if you're interested.
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Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
Now the Vinny Paz movie is all about a guy who after winning the world title breaks his neck in a car wreck and told he'll be lucky to walk again let alone fight. This special warrior was having none of that and against doctors orders lifted weights with a metal halo screwed in his skull. Went on to fight again. Guy was all balls
I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.
This resulted in a sluggish Duran chasing Leonard around the whole fight and Leonard openly playing to the crowd and toying with him. I personally think that while cramps had something to do with it, it was really a fit of pride and humiliation that caused Duran to just say "screw this" and quit mid-fight.
It was a victim of the whole riches to rags story line and the rest went downhill. If they had simply never made that movie, this is what it could/should have been. Without Adrian and years after his career was over, Rocky could have lived a more modest life and run (or re-opened) Mickey's gym. Besides, how much money could Rocky really have made in about a dozen or so title defenses against 2nd rate fighters back then?
Exactly - the idea of an older Rocky mentoring a young fighter isn't a bad idea, they just flubbed it with Rocky V...this could be good, likely full of cliches but then, the whole Rocky franchise is good as long as you
don't take it too seriously
Pretty much reminded me of almost any De La Hoya fight. How many of his fights were reported as "controversial decisions"? Seems like nearly every one.
I would think he might be too young considering Creed died in the 80's so any kid would be at or around 30.
No idea, I don't follow the sport that closely, but I deffinetly don't think he would be too old for the character. I'd say he is probably about the right age for the character. He's 28, which puts him at least two years too young to play Creeds real kid. (Rocky IV was released in 1985, meaning Creeds actual kid would have to be at least 30) Most actors play younger then they are, but he's just under the correct age for the character.
Your missing the point, the actors age fits the age of the character he is playing. Now you can not agree with him entering boxing at that age, but he is not too old to play Creeds son.
Isn't that what I said?
Yeah.. I'm boycotting
Who's to say that the film has to follow along the timeline of the release dates of the movies? Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.
The first film directly involved the 1976 bicentennial as a storyline.
It isn't too hard to piece together what ages could be of the kids.
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Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.
The first film directly involved the 1976 bicentennial as a storyline.
Whoops, forgot about that. But Rocky II picks up immediately after the events of Rocky, but was released 3 years later. Just making the point that elapsed time within the storyline shouldnt be a focus.
Pretty much reminded me of almost any De La Hoya fight. How many of his fights were reported as "controversial decisions"? Seems like nearly every one.
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If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.
Who's to say that the film has to follow along the timeline of the release dates of the movies? Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.
The only logic here is that this film isn't necessarily in real time. First, I don't think they intend for Rocky to be nearly 70, which is what his age would be approaching if not already there based on the 1976 original fight. I think, based on the Rocky Balboa film, they have him at about 60-65.
As for Creed, as mentioned, if they were going by true time elapsed, the youngest his son could be is 30. But, his kids were older than newborns in Rocky III. It would make more sense for this to be his grandson based on that.
I think you guys have officially passed into "spent way too much time considering the timeline of the freaking Rocky movies" territory. I guarantee you have given it more thought than the filmmakers!
But, Chris is probably right. We have spent too much time on this and the film makers probably just expect most people to accept it as is. When push comes to shove, I'll watch it just because it's a Rocky film. And, unless it enters Rocky V territory, which doesn't seem to be the case based on the trailer, I'll enjoy it.
You win