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NFT: First trailer to Rocky spin-off move released

nyjuggernaut2 : 6/30/2015 11:13 pm
Title of the film is "Creed" and it centers around Apollo Creeds son. When I first heard about this film a few months ago I was skeptical, but the trailer is pretty good.
Creed Trailer - ( New Window )
Trailer didn't do all that much for me TBH  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/30/2015 11:19 pm : link
But I loved Fruitvale Station, same director and star as this movie. That along with being a big fan of the Rocky series and I'll be at the theater unless the Rotten Tomatoes is under 40%.
Wallace and Avon  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/30/2015 11:20 pm : link
always a great sight.

I'm looking forward to this. I always loved the Rocky franchise, and and if any actor can help carry it, it's Michael B. Jordan.
I like sports movies  
Gman11 : 7/1/2015 8:29 am : link
and, for the most part, liked the Rocky movies. However, there's only so much you can do with the story line before you say that you've already seen that 100 times.
Love that actor  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 8:36 am : link
looks like fun.
Was also skeptical when  
barens : 7/1/2015 8:56 am : link
I heard about the movie, but trailer looks great, and it's really nice to see that Stallone has a lesser role, which was much needed if they are trying to reboot.
Trailer was fantastic IMO  
[]D [] []v[] []D : 7/1/2015 9:29 am : link
I think this one will be a sleeper, good director/actor and a story that focuses on the current and less on Rocko. I like the story line too.

I love boxing, from fandom to participation as a result of watching Rocky as a kid. This year has four films about the sport due to come out before years end with three getting oscar buzz as follows:

Southpaw - Jake Gyllenhall getting props for his performance
Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.
Bleed for This - Story of Vinny Pazienza played by Miles Teller. Set off a bidding war at this years Cannes
Take my money!  
JOrthman : 7/1/2015 9:31 am : link
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Wow, just realized who that actor was  
JOrthman : 7/1/2015 9:33 am : link
He got big.
String  
djl8699 : 7/1/2015 9:37 am : link
Where the fuck is Wallace?!

Oh there he is...

I'm not big on reboots or sequels but this looks good. I'm looking forward to it.
RE: Trailer was fantastic IMO  
Gman11 : 7/1/2015 9:43 am : link
In comment 12350345 []D [] []v[] []D said:
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Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.


I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.
The trailer wasn't bad  
Matt M. : 7/1/2015 9:44 am : link
For me, it took off when rocky appeared. Otherwise, the Creed name has little value to the project. In my mind, this is what Rocky V should have been like.

It was a victim of the whole riches to rags story line and the rest went downhill. If they had simply never made that movie, this is what it could/should have been. Without Adrian and years after his career was over, Rocky could have lived a more modest life and run (or re-opened) Mickey's gym. Besides, how much money could Rocky really have made in about a dozen or so title defenses against 2nd rate fighters back then?
This isn't really the reboot.  
Matt M. : 7/1/2015 9:45 am : link
Rocky Balboa was kind of that project. It was the closure on Rocky as a fighter and the opening for his more modest current life.
RE: RE: Trailer was fantastic IMO  
djl8699 : 7/1/2015 9:53 am : link
In comment 12350376 Gman11 said:
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Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.




I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.


There's a special on Netflix about the whole No Mas controversy and it was about so much more than him having a tummy ache. I recommend you check it out if you're interested.
The Duran film...  
[]D [] []v[] []D : 7/1/2015 10:24 am : link
Focuses more on the relationship between Duran and his trainer. Also, what made No Mas so incredible was that Duran prior to the Leonard days was an absolute killer. Whoever referenced the 30 for 30 on this...yes it gives good insight.

RE: RE: Trailer was fantastic IMO  
[]D [] []v[] []D : 7/1/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12350376 Gman11 said:
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Hands of Stone - movie on Roberto Duran featuring Robert DeNiro as his trainer.

Now the Vinny Paz movie is all about a guy who after winning the world title breaks his neck in a car wreck and told he'll be lucky to walk again let alone fight. This special warrior was having none of that and against doctors orders lifted weights with a metal halo screwed in his skull. Went on to fight again. Guy was all balls


I would have no interest in seeing a movie about a guy that quit in the ring. "No mas" was a travesty. Guys have finished a bout with a broken jaw or broken hand. This guy had a tummy ache.
Without researching it (maybe it's crazy) but  
Giants2012 : 7/1/2015 10:48 am : link
Didn't somebody from Leonard's team spot Duran eating a ton of steak a day or two before the fight? Something about him being
. . .  
Giants2012 : 7/1/2015 10:49 am : link
he couldn't make the weight or something and then went on a feeding binge
Basically the documentary explores  
djl8699 : 7/1/2015 11:01 am : link
the fact that after their first fight, Duran was so pleased with his win (beating Leonard was a big deal to him) that he partied, drank and ate himself to be extremely out of shape. Then when the 2nd fight came around shortly there after, he scrambled to make weight, while Leonard adjusted his game plan and boxed Duran instead of going toe to toe as he did previously.

This resulted in a sluggish Duran chasing Leonard around the whole fight and Leonard openly playing to the crowd and toying with him. I personally think that while cramps had something to do with it, it was really a fit of pride and humiliation that caused Duran to just say "screw this" and quit mid-fight.
RE: The trailer wasn't bad  
mfsd : 7/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12350380 Matt M. said:
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For me, it took off when rocky appeared. Otherwise, the Creed name has little value to the project. In my mind, this is what Rocky V should have been like.

It was a victim of the whole riches to rags story line and the rest went downhill. If they had simply never made that movie, this is what it could/should have been. Without Adrian and years after his career was over, Rocky could have lived a more modest life and run (or re-opened) Mickey's gym. Besides, how much money could Rocky really have made in about a dozen or so title defenses against 2nd rate fighters back then?


Exactly - the idea of an older Rocky mentoring a young fighter isn't a bad idea, they just flubbed it with Rocky V...this could be good, likely full of cliches but then, the whole Rocky franchise is good as long as you
don't take it too seriously
I certainly lost respect for Duran after that  
Matt M. : 7/1/2015 12:23 pm : link
But, i think I am in a vast minority of fans that never liked Leonard. I am also in the minority of fans that thought Hagler not only won his fight with Leonard, but won it by a decent margin. after the first few rounds, he controlled the fight while Leonard ran and showboated. then he would try to land a combo with some flair at the end of the round. Hagler certainly didn't dominate as I expected him to and he didn't get the knockout I expected, but he did control the fight. that is also because Leonard mostly did nothing but sit back most of the fight.
Looks interesting.  
Curtis in VA : 7/1/2015 12:25 pm : link
Better than I was anticipating anyway.
i might just have to see this one  
Rocky369 : 7/1/2015 2:46 pm : link
Except for my kids being born, and Rocky Balboa coming out, this is the greatest night in the history of my life.
Matt..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/1/2015 3:47 pm : link
I thought Hagler won as well. I look at that decision as one of the horrific ones at that time. And given what has come out about corruption back in those days - having it rigged isn't too far-fetched.

Pretty much reminded me of almost any De La Hoya fight. How many of his fights were reported as "controversial decisions"? Seems like nearly every one.
Good actor but he's too old for that role  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 3:51 pm : link
I enjoy the on screen hyperbole of the Rocky series so I'll watch it. I have low expectations.
RE: Good actor but he's too old for that role  
JOrthman : 7/1/2015 5:54 pm : link
In comment 12351697 Torrag said:
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I enjoy the on screen hyperbole of the Rocky series so I'll watch it. I have low expectations.


I would think he might be too young considering Creed died in the 80's so any kid would be at or around 30.
jorth  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:11 pm : link
how many young boxers you know breaking in at age 28? Even 25? Your old fast and early in the fight game.
Looks good but I can't wait to see  
Vin R : 7/1/2015 7:30 pm : link
Southpaw
RE: jorth  
JOrthman : 7/1/2015 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12352115 Torrag said:
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how many young boxers you know breaking in at age 28? Even 25? Your old fast and early in the fight game.


No idea, I don't follow the sport that closely, but I deffinetly don't think he would be too old for the character. I'd say he is probably about the right age for the character. He's 28, which puts him at least two years too young to play Creeds real kid. (Rocky IV was released in 1985, meaning Creeds actual kid would have to be at least 30) Most actors play younger then they are, but he's just under the correct age for the character.
'No idea, I don't follow the sport that closely'...  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 11:14 pm : link
You should have stopped there.
Creed died in Rocky IV, 1985  
bradshaw44 : 7/1/2015 11:52 pm : link
If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.
RE: 'No idea, I don't follow the sport that closely'...  
JOrthman : 7/2/2015 12:31 am : link
In comment 12352659 Torrag said:
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You should have stopped there.


Your missing the point, the actors age fits the age of the character he is playing. Now you can not agree with him entering boxing at that age, but he is not too old to play Creeds son.
RE: Creed died in Rocky IV, 1985  
JOrthman : 7/2/2015 12:32 am : link
In comment 12352701 bradshaw44 said:
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If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.


Isn't that what I said?
The "Eagles" graffitied  
markky : 7/2/2015 9:58 am : link
on the train bridge didn't bother anyone?
RE: The  
Vin R : 7/2/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12352952 markky said:
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on the train bridge didn't bother anyone?


Yeah.. I'm boycotting
I also have low expectations  
PatersonPlank : 7/2/2015 10:57 am : link
I loved Rocky, but this looks like a "set formula" type movie to me. Plus I think Stallone gets worse the older he gets.
RE: Creed died in Rocky IV, 1985  
eclipz928 : 7/2/2015 12:19 pm : link
In comment 12352701 bradshaw44 said:
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If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.

Who's to say that the film has to follow along the timeline of the release dates of the movies? Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.
Um...  
Bluenatic : 7/2/2015 12:28 pm : link
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Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.


The first film directly involved the 1976 bicentennial as a storyline.
They followed..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/2/2015 12:41 pm : link
modern history. Like said above, the Bicentennial. And Creed died while fighting the evil Russian at the end of the Cold war.

It isn't too hard to piece together what ages could be of the kids.
RE: Um...  
eclipz928 : 7/2/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12353526 Bluenatic said:
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Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.



The first film directly involved the 1976 bicentennial as a storyline.

Whoops, forgot about that. But Rocky II picks up immediately after the events of Rocky, but was released 3 years later. Just making the point that elapsed time within the storyline shouldnt be a focus.
RE: Matt..  
Matt M. : 7/2/2015 12:52 pm : link
In comment 12351687 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I thought Hagler won as well. I look at that decision as one of the horrific ones at that time. And given what has come out about corruption back in those days - having it rigged isn't too far-fetched.

Pretty much reminded me of almost any De La Hoya fight. How many of his fights were reported as "controversial decisions"? Seems like nearly every one.
It's very rare, especially now, to find someone who agrees with me on that. I admit I didn't like Leonard and I really liked Hagler, but Leonard did absolutely nothing that fight but run away from Hagler and then mug for the fans/judges the last minute or less of a round. Hagler controlled almost every round.
RE: RE: Creed died in Rocky IV, 1985  
Matt M. : 7/2/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12353490 eclipz928 said:
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If he was born that year he would be 30. Meaning at the youngest he's 30. Doesn't add up. That being said, I'm going to see this movie. I love every Rocky film. Just a part of my childhood and I love seeing these films continue.


Who's to say that the film has to follow along the timeline of the release dates of the movies? Actually i don't think Rocky's actual age or the year has ever been mentioned in any of the movies.
I don't remember which film or what the age was, but Rocky's age was mentioned in at least one of them.

The only logic here is that this film isn't necessarily in real time. First, I don't think they intend for Rocky to be nearly 70, which is what his age would be approaching if not already there based on the 1976 original fight. I think, based on the Rocky Balboa film, they have him at about 60-65.

As for Creed, as mentioned, if they were going by true time elapsed, the youngest his son could be is 30. But, his kids were older than newborns in Rocky III. It would make more sense for this to be his grandson based on that.
I thought when I originally read about this film  
Matt M. : 7/2/2015 1:02 pm : link
it was Creed's grandson. But, in the trailer, he did say Apollo was his father. That would mean this film really needs to suspend real time and it is about 5-10 years earlier.
RE: I thought when I originally read about this film  
Chris in Philly : 7/2/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12353597 Matt M. said:
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it was Creed's grandson. But, in the trailer, he did say Apollo was his father. That would mean this film really needs to suspend real time and it is about 5-10 years earlier.


I think you guys have officially passed into "spent way too much time considering the timeline of the freaking Rocky movies" territory. I guarantee you have given it more thought than the filmmakers!
CiP..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/2/2015 1:08 pm : link
C'mon, give us credit. I thought I might have been confusing the End of Cold War Russian conflict with the Rambo movies. To be fair, Stallone gives an equally shitty soliloquy in both about living together in peace....
FatMan  
Matt M. : 7/2/2015 1:11 pm : link
I just saw Rambo: first Blood Part 2 the other night. Not only was it a similar speech, but the acting in was even worse in the Rambo version.

But, Chris is probably right. We have spent too much time on this and the film makers probably just expect most people to accept it as is. When push comes to shove, I'll watch it just because it's a Rocky film. And, unless it enters Rocky V territory, which doesn't seem to be the case based on the trailer, I'll enjoy it.
How about this  
eclipz928 : 7/2/2015 1:12 pm : link
You can say that Rocky IV actually took place in the near future, and that Creed died closer to the end of the Cold War in 1991. Unknown to Creed was that his wife had just found out she was pregnant before he fought Drago. That would put his kid at a more reasonable age of 24. Problem solved.
RE: How about this  
JOrthman : 7/2/2015 8:08 pm : link
In comment 12353624 eclipz928 said:
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You can say that Rocky IV actually took place in the near future, and that Creed died closer to the end of the Cold War in 1991. Unknown to Creed was that his wife had just found out she was pregnant before he fought Drago. That would put his kid at a more reasonable age of 24. Problem solved.


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