NFT: Michael Cuddyer

In comment 12350318 Metnut said:

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a ton of time the past few seasons and his overall numbers were inflated by Coors field anyway. He's a horrible defensive outfielder and we gave up a 1st round pick to pay for his age 36 and age 37 seasons. IMO, this has Wilpon's fingerprints all over it, as we've heard Cuddyer is a friend of Wright and by how quick the signing happened. Just a poor move and poor asset management. I'd bring up Kirk for a week or two before considering promoting Conforto.

Kirk is brutal. The Mets need to make a move for another OFer. Doesn't have to be Gomez or Braun.. Parra, Victorino, etc.. those guys won't cost Thor/Matz/Conforto.

When Cadaver is back make him the 4th OFer and play him at 1B vs some LHP until Duda gets his head out of his ass.

Worse than any other FA OFs we have had in the recent past

thinks Conforto best option

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keithlaw ‏@keithlaw 7m7 minutes ago keithlaw retweeted Mets Daddy I think so, although it's a big jump from AA (which he just reached) to the majors. keithlaw added, Mets Daddy @MetsDaddy2013 @keithlaw With Cuddyer's knee injury (presumed serious) is Conforto the best option the Mets have at this point (assuming he wasn't already)

No reason not to bring up the kid from AA. If eh fails so what? We sent D'Arnua down last year. Shit happens, if he has the make up to be a pro athlete in NY he'll be fine either way.

were a high school kid, I could see the concern, but he went to college, he's been in a couple minor league levels, and I admit I'm not an expert in major league development, but I'd be surprised if he is still "learning".

I'd bring him up today.

Bringing up Conforto is a no win situation. Literally the ONLY reason he would be called up is for the PR, and that would backfire anyway.

In comment 12350301 Headhunter said:

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believe that ownership and the FO doesn't care about winning. To me that is as ridiculous as the owners and upper management of any business that couldn't care less about the product they sell as long as they are making money and getting paid.

I did not claim ownership and management do not care about winning.

Honestly, if think injuries should be used as a crutch and the so-called "next man up" concept is a not a viable solution then that's your prerogative but my point was really more that injuries have been an all too convenient excuse for the continued struggles of the every day lineup for far too long. Sure, management is not going to avoid the subject of injuries altogether however they're also not going to highlight, say, the dearth of talent, lack of development or their over valuation of certain position players whether coming up through the system or through FA. We, the fans, get to make that call, as subjective as it can be, by watching the results on the field day in and day out. Bottom line is, management/ownership is not above reproach when it comes to an overall assessment.

Should be starting after 2016 spring training

They should really trade for an above avg OF for Niese

expect an adjustment period.By that I mean at least 100 AB's. He could come up a house on fire, some rookies do, but he will cool off as most rookies do. Not going to put too much on him, but this is NY

in BA's top 100?

In comment 12350496 Shecky said:

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Bringing up Conforto is a no win situation. Literally the ONLY reason he would be called up is for the PR, and that would backfire anyway.

No it wouldn't be for PR. It would be because he's the best option. You really want to see Kirk back up here? Bringjng Conforto up would be no different than the Cubs bringing up Schwarber the other week.

He was #80 pre-2015.. I suspect he'd be quite a bit higher now.

I'd rather give ABs to all our young hitting prospects the rest of the season. I think we need Granderson in the lineup but we need to bench/DL/trade Cuddyer and Tejada the remainder of the season.

I want to see all those remaining ABs go to Wilmer Flores, Dilson Herrera, Kevin Plawecki (if Travis can't stay healthy) and Michael Conforto. If they need to go through rookie learning curve and slumps, have them get that experience this season. It will only make their potential to improve 2016 and beyond better.

Was he had managed to stay injury free.

We all know that would t last - and here it is!

Conforto can't possibly perform worse, so why not?

In comment 12350496 Shecky said:

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Bringing up Conforto is a no win situation. Literally the ONLY reason he would be called up is for the PR, and that would backfire anyway.

Why would it be a mistake? Can he be better than Cuddyer?

What's next for Conforto? Hitting for inflated averages in Vegas?

I don't see the downside.

Can anyone explain what happened with him? He's obviously a player who could help the Mets but he was ridden out of town. In Alderson's defense, I don't think Cuddyer was brought here to be a full time payer and maybe if he was used more sparingly, he'd be more efefective. But, there are not many options. I agree with the post above that the signing has Wilpon's fingerprints all over it.

that the front office targeted Cuddyer, and when the rockies made a qualifying offer, they cringed. They went ahead anyway. Look, we all liked the signing when it happened - other than sacrificing the 1st round pick. We thought, here we go, we have another professional hitter in the lineup- a la murphy. He he .332 last year. He batted .311 and .280 away from coors field in 2013 and 2014. But he just does not look like a good hitter. I rarely ever see him hit the ball hard. So many of his actual hits have been bleeders and bloops, not line drives. His bat just looks awfully slow and he guesses on pitches to make up for that. He is just not that good of a player. More the reason to move him to the bench, he could be decent in a smaller role, and continue to help the clubhouse. But I don't think he's a starter anymore. Its a sunk cost, so whatever. Just get someone else out there. Even Cecilliani, will at least provide good defense.

In comment 12350562 Samiam said:

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Can anyone explain what happened with him? He's obviously a player who could help the Mets but he was ridden out of town. In Alderson's defense, I don't think Cuddyer was brought here to be a full time payer and maybe if he was used more sparingly, he'd be more efefective. But, there are not many options. I agree with the post above that the signing has Wilpon's fingerprints all over it.

Cuddy was brought in as a two year bridge until one of the kids was (hopefully) ready to take over LF. You don't pay a guy 10 mill/year to be a spare part.

Young was dumped because, outside of a few big hits, absolutely sucked while here.

signed a one year deal for 7.5M and stole 7.5M from the Mets.

he was terrible.

In comment 12350582 CMicks3110 said:

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that the front office targeted Cuddyer, and when the rockies made a qualifying offer, they cringed. They went ahead anyway. Look, we all liked the signing when it happened - other than sacrificing the 1st round pick. We thought, here we go, we have another professional hitter in the lineup- a la murphy. He he .332 last year. He batted .311 and .280 away from coors field in 2013 and 2014. But he just does not look like a good hitter. I rarely ever see him hit the ball hard. So many of his actual hits have been bleeders and bloops, not line drives. His bat just looks awfully slow and he guesses on pitches to make up for that. He is just not that good of a player. More the reason to move him to the bench, he could be decent in a smaller role, and continue to help the clubhouse. But I don't think he's a starter anymore. Its a sunk cost, so whatever. Just get someone else out there. Even Cecilliani, will at least provide good defense.

"we all"? More than half the fans I know hated the signing. When I read it I felt like I was kicked in the stomach. I hated the signing from day 1 and felt it was a waste. The only solace I took was I believed "this must be the catalyst for other moves the Mets are gong to make to improve the team"

but alas, no other moves came and we're right where a lot of people expected to be.

In comment 12350547 arcarsenal said:

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He was #80 pre-2015.. I suspect he'd be quite a bit higher now.

Thanks arc

In comment 12350545 Rflairr said:

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In comment 12350496 Shecky said: Quote: Bringing up Conforto is a no win situation. Literally the ONLY reason he would be called up is for the PR, and that would backfire anyway. No it wouldn't be for PR. It would be because he's the best option. You really want to see Kirk back up here? Bringjng Conforto up would be no different than the Cubs bringing up Schwarber the other week.

Lol. So your example is the kid tearing through AA, like Conforto?

Who was called up specifically to fill a role for a few MLB games, to then be sent to AAA. Which he was. And is now struggling in AAA??

Advantage for Conforto to at least see Vegas isn't his stats. It's so he can see several veteran junkballers and see how he adjusts. And when he does,he will be ready to be called up.

young for the level or young for MLB I'd agree, but he's 22 years old, played college, and has 450+ minor league at-bats.

Plenty of players go from AA to the majors and are successful.

David Thompson: 3B (4) - Brooklyn 16 AB, .313/.294/.500, only 1K

Chase Ingram: RHP (6) - Kingsport 1.1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 1 K, 6.75 ERA

Corey Taylor: RHP (7) - Brooklyn 3 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 3 K, 0.00 ERA

Pat Mazelka: C (8) - Kingsport 28 AB, .286/.355/.393, 5K

Kevin Kaczmarski: OF (9) - Kingsport 27 AB, .370/.452/.593, 3 K

Witt Haggard: RHP (10) - Kingsport 0.2 IP, 4 BB,1 K, 4 R, 54.00 ERA

Jake Simon: LHP (11) - Gulf Coast League 1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 0.00 ERA

Joe Shaw: RHP (12) - Kingsport 2.1 IP, 3 H, 3 K, 0.00 ERA

P J Conlon: LHP (13) - Brooklyn 2 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 0 K, 0.00 ERA

Vince Siena: 2B (14) - Brooklyn 42 AB, .405/.468/.476, 7 K

Sixto Torres LHP (17) - Gulf Coast League 2 IP. 2 H, 0 BB, 0 K, 0.00 ERA

Taylor Henry LHP (21) - Gulf Coast League 0.2 IP, 0.00

Kenny Bautista RF (23) - Gulf Coast League.19 AB, .316/.381/.579, 2 steals

Seth Davis LHP (29) - Kingsport 1.0 IP, 0.00

2nd rounder Desmond Lindsay, 3rd rounder Max Wotell, 5th rounder Thomas Szapucki, and 16th rounder Dillon Becker are signed but have yet to play.


Looking very promising, very early, but very encouraging

Two more hard hit balls. Ali Sanchez going with the pitch again. Tiny little. Urdu k with a three run shot.

which certainly seems plausible. They need to add an OF'er and a SS. Really no excuse to not spend a little bit of money to try to get to the postseason this year.

Gomez & Byrd are 2 guys I'd be highly interested in adding (obviously at different costs).

that both Cuddyer and Duda are playing hurt

In comment 12350215 Tanker20 said:

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Akeel Morris to play left field. I don't like Alderson and his offensive smugness but god forbid any of these signings just played to their career averages. Is that so much to ask?

When you are signing players on the downside of their careers, yes it is too much to ask.

Promoting Conforto would be Minaya-level aggressive. That's not Alderson.


You'll get Kirk N.

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In comment 12351244 Headhunter said:

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that both Cuddyer and Duda are playing hurt

and most of us posted when he signed "Cuddyer is going to be hurt a lot"

shitty signing.

since some are keeping score

LOLKirk. If you're going to just put him in LF and say "well, this is what we got.." just punt the season and forget it. We've already been slapped in the face by Tejada being a regular again (and a fucking shitty one.. but we're used to that).. why not just keep it coming?

and counting on him to be a savior or impact player was lunacy.

Cuddyer is basically a Moises Alou sequel, but Moises at 41 actually still could hit?

In comment 12351344 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Cuddyer is basically a Moises Alou sequel, but Moises at 41 actually still could hit?

100% Yes - that was the exact comp I made in the offseason. They need to add a potential full time OFer over the next month and deal with Cuddyer's PT later on. One of the Dodgers guys, Byrd, Gomez, Braun, whoever - but they need a full time OF'er.

In comment 12351330 Eric on Li said:

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and counting on him to be a savior or impact player was lunacy.

the contract wasn't unreasonable, no. And yes, the pick stung, but whatever..

it's the fact that management thought he was dependable enough, given his past and age, to contribute a full season at a high level.

If you start adding up all the money spent on crappy FA Outfielders like Cuddy, Chris Young, Colin Cowbell, et al.....they could have solved the problem 3 years ago with one good signing.

I wonder just exactly what it would take to get Gomez from the Brewers ?? He's in his walk year, right ?? He's a Boras Client, right ?? I wonder if the Brewers would let him go for 2nd tier cost-controlled pitchers like Niese and Montero or something ??

In comment 12351279 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Promoting Conforto would be Minaya-level aggressive. That's not Alderson. You'll get Kirk N.

"Minaya-level aggressive"

You mean, the last time the mets were good? Blast minaya all you want, fact remains that he built a damn good team. I wish alderson had a little minaya in him.

In comment 12351545 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 12351279 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Promoting Conforto would be Minaya-level aggressive. That's not Alderson. You'll get Kirk N. "Minaya-level aggressive" You mean, the last time the mets were good? Blast minaya all you want, fact remains that he built a damn good team. I wish alderson had a little minaya in him.

Not knocking Minaya. History has proven him to be a very good talent evaluator and a good GM who made free agent mistakes. It's fact that he believed in aggressive promotions in the minor leagues.

Since he's started playing every day his average has dropped almost 100 points and it's now actually tied with Flores at .236. He has no speed and no power. Why waste the 1 spot in the order that might actually get fastballs with Duda hitting 3rd on him?

In comment 12351581 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 12351545 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: In comment 12351279 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Promoting Conforto would be Minaya-level aggressive. That's not Alderson. You'll get Kirk N. "Minaya-level aggressive" You mean, the last time the mets were good? Blast minaya all you want, fact remains that he built a damn good team. I wish alderson had a little minaya in him. Not knocking Minaya. History has proven him to be a very good talent evaluator and a good GM who made free agent mistakes. It's fact that he believed in aggressive promotions in the minor leagues.

Got it. Understood.

Sometimes a radical move is what's needed. To the bold go the spoils. It's hard to give Alderson the benefit of the doubt for yet another year, but I guess what else are we left to do? I'm tired of complaining but I have absolutely zero faith that Alderson will do anything but sit on his hands. Because that's what history has shown us. That bullet he says he has is probably to a BB gun.

of who can best help the team. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the season, and I believe the help has to come from within because I dread dealing Thor, Matz, Harvey or deGrom under pressure.

If Conforto is a better option than Kirk N or Travis Taijeron then I think you bring him up.

He would NOT be the first player with almost 500 minor league at-bats to go from AA to the majors

Andy Martino @MartinoNYDN
Mets don't think cuddyer will miss more than a few days. No DL for now.

I hope he stays on the bench as a pinch hitter from now on.

In comment 12351675 CMicks3110 said:

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Andy Martino @MartinoNYDN Mets don't think cuddyer will miss more than a few days. No DL for now.

Let's hit a round of GIDPs in celebration.

Do what is best for his future and development. If he's deemed ready great. If it's better for him to take more time so be it.

Many people here judged Herrera had 'nothing to prove' so bring him up. That hasn't worked out very well to date. His approach at the plate is pedestrian. He has no clue how to handle off speed offerings.

I guess it's too much to ask the Mets organization to approach these things the smart way. The only thing we can count on is they will approach them in the cheapest way possible that won't get them publicly vilified.

Jordany Valdespin at LF every day than Cuddyer

Gets an A- for his trades. Dickey and Beltran deals

Gets a B to a B plus for his drafting. Conforto. Nimmo. Smith

Gets an F- for his free agency. Granderson and Cuddyer. Maybe raise it to a C cause of Colon