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NFT: It's here! July 1st! Knicks!

DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 8:16 am
Knicks and Bucks have met with Greg Monroe
Aldridge has met with the Rockets
Ellis talking to the Pacers about 3 for 32
Middleton to remain in Mil 5 for 70
Lopez 3 for 60 with the Nets
Thad Young 4 for 50 with the Nets
Aminu 4 for 30 with Portland
Danny Green to meet with Knicks

A source told Sporting News at the opening of free agency that the Knicks have major interest in Beverley, and that the interest is mutual. The Knicks contacted Beverley shortly after free agency began.

I'd really like Green.  
Giantology : 7/1/2015 8:18 am : link
Get it done Phil!
ellis would be a great fit  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 8:19 am : link
for the pacers.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 8:19 am : link
have spoken to Corey Brewer
if we can  
TommyWiseau : 7/1/2015 8:19 am : link
Somehow nab Monroe, Danny Green and Koufos I would be estatic. Probably would have to move Calderon to get it done but this would be a great offseason in my eyes
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 8:20 am : link
meeting with LA and Jordan tomorrow
lay those  
TommyWiseau : 7/1/2015 8:21 am : link
Rings on the table Phil!!!!!
RE: Knicks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 8:22 am : link
In comment 12350225 DanMetroMan said:
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have spoken to Corey Brewer


No kidding. The guy they dumped like a bad habit who showed to be fairly useful elsewhere?
If middleton gets 14 per, what are Danny Green, Afflalo etc  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 8:22 am : link
gonna get? We may not have room for one of them and a big like Monroe.
I would assume they  
TommyWiseau : 7/1/2015 8:24 am : link
Would cost less as Middleton is only 23 years old
RE: Knicks  
arcarsenal : 7/1/2015 8:24 am : link
In comment 12350225 DanMetroMan said:
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have spoken to Corey Brewer


RONNY BREWER WTF KNICKS?!!!!
I though Aminu might be a nice/cheap (i.e. 4mm per)  
Pep22 : 7/1/2015 8:24 am : link
pickup. 7.5mm * 4 years from Portland is surprising
Tommy  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 8:29 am : link
Lay off Koufos in every one of your threads. The guys a stiff.
RE: I would assume they  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 8:29 am : link
In comment 12350236 TommyWiseau said:
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Would cost less as Middleton is only 23 years old


I'm not sure that's how it works.
Monroe  
Deej : 7/1/2015 8:34 am : link
getting really excited about the possibility of adding him. His max contract is a steal given the contracts we're seeing. Hope he wants a 2+1 but I'd understand if it's just a 1+1.
Who knows how legit this is, but I'll post it anyways.  
aimrocky : 7/1/2015 8:44 am : link
Robert Randolph @rrtfb 2m2 minutes ago

Robert Randolph retweeted Knicks Memes
Knicks put in calls to Corey brewer,monta Ellis offering 3 year deals

I thought the Jordan meeting....  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 8:45 am : link
was today? And LA was tomorrow?

Based on age and need id really like to grab Green/Monroe. I have some concerns that Green looks better playing in SA, but he is a good defensive player and good shooter, those should translate anywhere.

The contracts are about as absurd as i was expecting them to be. We have been hearing (and saying) that the contracts would be absurd and here we are. I mean 7.5 for Aminu? 12.5 for Young? but again i think ive said take what you want to pay a guy and add 3-4 mill to it, and thats about right i guess.
Rudolph  
Jon in NYC : 7/1/2015 8:46 am : link
has been wrong more often than not.
Ugh..on Brewer unless he is coming cheap...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 8:48 am : link
he is a good defensive player who does nothing else well (and cant shoot). Again if he is cheap im all for it, but i bet he gets more then i want to pay.
There's no way Monta Ellis is a Phil Jackson player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 8:49 am : link
I'll only believe that at the press conference during the handshake.
RE: Ugh..on Brewer unless he is coming cheap...  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/1/2015 8:56 am : link
In comment 12350271 Italianju said:
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he is a good defensive player who does nothing else well (and cant shoot). Again if he is cheap im all for it, but i bet he gets more then i want to pay.

Didnt we have him for about a half a second a couple years ago and released him for nothing?
yes, they traded for Brewer and then released him  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 8:57 am : link
A quintessential Knicks move
They realized he could not shoot and got rid of him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 8:59 am : link
Why they didn't KNOW he could not shoot, I have no idea.

And I think he went to dallas and hit a game winner or something immediately after. Knicks.
since when was not being able to shoot a disqualifier for the Knicks?  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 9:02 am : link
This is a team that employed Jared Jeffries on two separate occasions.
...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 9:02 am : link
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 5m5 minutes ago
ESPN sources say Portland Trail Blazers and Damian Lillard are nearing agreement on a five-year max extension with in excess of $120 million
You can find guys who can do what Brewer can do..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 9:03 am : link
for near the min, no reason to use cap space on him.
Why would anyone who's still under conract  
aimrocky : 7/1/2015 9:11 am : link
sign a max deal this season, when the cap will go up next year? Security of having the money in hand?
I'm working in Indy right now  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 9:12 am : link
and it seems people have a much higher opinion of Ellis than most other people do. I guess they've lacked a shot creator for a number of years and have the defense to support his flaws in place.
Ellis is a great fit for them...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 9:14 am : link
like you said they have the defensive players to get away with him and they need a guy like him on offense.
RE: I'm working in Indy right now  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 9:17 am : link
In comment 12350315 giantsfan44ab said:
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and it seems people have a much higher opinion of Ellis than most other people do. I guess they've lacked a shot creator for a number of years and have the defense to support his flaws in place.


To be fair to ellis, the past season appears to show that he's changed a bit from his mindless chucking days.
So Monroe should be done with meetings...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 9:19 am : link
today i guess. Already met with NY and MIL, meeting with LA and POR today i believe and BOS dropped out. Of course the Knicks wont want to do anything until after meeting Aldridge tomorrow i guess. Although i bet if Jordan wanted to sign today they would do it.
You would have to think if  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 9:38 am : link
The Knicks are really going heavy after Beverly you would think they have a deal in place for Calderon....Which woul dbe great because then you can sign a max and still have almost 20 million to spend on the rest of the team..
RE: Who knows how legit this is, but I'll post it anyways.  
Anakim : 7/1/2015 9:41 am : link
In comment 12350263 aimrocky said:
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Robert Randolph @rrtfb 2m2 minutes ago

Robert Randolph retweeted Knicks Memes
Knicks put in calls to Corey brewer,monta Ellis offering 3 year deals


I'm not saying LeBron will be a Knick...but LeBron will be a Knick
RE: You would have to think if  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 9:46 am : link
In comment 12350366 nygiants16 said:
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The Knicks are really going heavy after Beverly you would think they have a deal in place for Calderon....Which woul dbe great because then you can sign a max and still have almost 20 million to spend on the rest of the team..


Would hope so. They already have 3 PG on the roster.
RE: You would have to think if  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/1/2015 9:48 am : link
In comment 12350366 nygiants16 said:
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The Knicks are really going heavy after Beverly you would think they have a deal in place for Calderon....Which woul dbe great because then you can sign a max and still have almost 20 million to spend on the rest of the team..

I think he will be stretch provisioned. Would save 4.5 mil ins space this year and next, and the 3 mil he would count for the years moving forward would be against the much larger cap.
who would take/need calderon?  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 9:49 am : link
is the question. struggling to find an answer in my brain
And Robert Randolph  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 9:52 am : link
said Lebron was coming to New York last year...he is an idiot
RE: who would take/need calderon?  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12350397 hitdog42 said:
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is the question. struggling to find an answer in my brain


Cleveland is looking for a vet backup PG and have Haywood's non guaranteed contract...
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 9:53 am : link
Jerry Zgoda ‏@JerryZgoda 25m25 minutes ago

FYI: Nemanja Bjelica's Istanbul team overnight announced he has indeed exercised an out clause in his contract to leave for the NBA[
RE: RE: who would take/need calderon?  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 9:54 am : link
In comment 12350404 nygiants16 said:
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is the question. struggling to find an answer in my brain



Cleveland is looking for a vet backup PG and have Haywood's non guaranteed contract...


would be shocked to see them take that $ on given the contracts they will have to dole out this year.
RE: who would take/need calderon?  
giants#1 : 7/1/2015 9:54 am : link
In comment 12350397 hitdog42 said:
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is the question. struggling to find an answer in my brain


Maybe LeBron wants him as Irving insurance? He can still hit some 3's. Swap the Heyward contract for Calderon!

Wishful thinking, though LeBron does like mediocre players that can drain the open 3 (e.g. Mike Miller)
RE: RE: RE: who would take/need calderon?  
Jay in Saratoga : 7/1/2015 9:54 am : link
In comment 12350410 hitdog42 said:
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is the question. struggling to find an answer in my brain



Cleveland is looking for a vet backup PG and have Haywood's non guaranteed contract...



would be shocked to see them take that $ on given the contracts they will have to dole out this year.


They'll dole out the money if Lebron tells them to.
RE: RE: RE: who would take/need calderon?  
giants#1 : 7/1/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12350410 hitdog42 said:
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would be shocked to see them take that $ on given the contracts they will have to dole out this year.


Wasn't there a rumor that they were interested in acquiring Splitter for the Heyward deal? I thought Splitter was making a lot more than Calderon.

Not that GM LeBron cares about the $$.
Dragic resigns with Miami  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 9:57 am : link
5 years 90 million
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 9:58 am : link
Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 1m1 minute ago
New York, Indiana, Dallas were interested in Millsap but he will not meet with them. Deciding Btwn offers from ATL & Orl
RE: RE: RE: who would take/need calderon?  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 9:59 am : link
In comment 12350410 hitdog42 said:
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would be shocked to see them take that $ on given the contracts they will have to dole out this year.


Maybe they want to add more shooters...who knows probably wont happen but that is one option especially for a team already over the salary cap...

Dan Gilbert is going to pay a penance  
Jay in Saratoga : 7/1/2015 10:00 am : link
in luxury tax payments for the scathing letter he wrote when Lebron left for Miami. Lebron's 1-year opt out strategy for contract will ensure that he retains the power to force roster/contract decisions.
4/80...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 10:08 am : link
for millsap, wow. I feel like ive been pretty prepared for how absurd the contracts would be, but that is crazy. This is why Monroe is an absolute steal.
RE: 4/80...  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 10:10 am : link
In comment 12350437 Italianju said:
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for millsap, wow. I feel like ive been pretty prepared for how absurd the contracts would be, but that is crazy. This is why Monroe is an absolute steal.


it's also why he might want a two year deal with an opt out.
Ellis is look at a 3 year $32 million  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 10:15 am : link
from the Pacers. Kinda crazy that they'll be able to get him at what hes been getting paid the last few years. For as much flack he's received over the years, he was never really on a bad contract. He's just hit or miss from the 3 point line each game, you really don't know what he's going to give you there.
Dunleavy 3 years $14.4M  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 10:17 am : link
.
you would think this year, more than others, there  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 10:18 am : link
will be some bargains as the cap room dries up. Once the teams with max money are done spending, you only have to outbid teams offering the MLE.
Dragic  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 10:24 am : link
Got 90 million dayum
after all this time of going back n forth on Monroe  
djm : 7/1/2015 10:24 am : link
I really want him to sign here with the Knicks. He's not perfect but he's a good young big that knows his way around the basket. That's a valuable commodity in the NBA. He'd be a good get here. It's just that we never seem to land that FA...hopefully we get our guy for once.
all the big names  
djm : 7/1/2015 10:29 am : link
will get crazy deals this off-season and beyond. Forget everything you know about fair contracts or market value...it all goes out the window this very moment. If you think a player is worth 8 million per, he's gonna get 12 mil per now.

IF the player is in his prime or close to it and/or coming off one good year out of the last two seasons, he's gonna receive a contract that appears to be an over pay. I keep seeing people repeatedly say "I want this guy but only for 8 per" ---forget it...you won't get the player.

So either you "over pay" or you don't get the player. Take your pick. The only bargains you will find in FA are the guys that are a little older or more likely, a little younger and unproven. IF the guy has done anything of note in the NBA he's gonna be overpaid this off-season.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 10:30 am : link
Think Jordan or Monroe 100% will be Knicks
RE: Why would anyone who's still under conract  
Deej : 7/1/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12350313 aimrocky said:
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sign a max deal this season, when the cap will go up next year? Security of having the money in hand?


Because when a man offers you $120 million to play basketball, you say yes.
with all that said  
djm : 7/1/2015 10:31 am : link
that's why I think the guy to get is Monroe. He's the only guy that will be paid fair market value even though he's getting the max. Jordan too...but I don't think we land him and I believe Jordan would actually get a bigger max deal than Monroe...?

I'll take Koufos and Monroe  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 10:31 am : link
and then call Afflalo an Uber back home
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12350497 DanMetroMan said:
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Think Jordan or Monroe 100% will be Knicks


I think Jordan is signing with the Mavs, Parsons has been recruiting him hard...

I think Knicks somehow get rid of Calderon whether it is trade him or stretch him and they sign Monroe and a bunch of role players to surround him and Melo...
RE: with all that said  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 10:34 am : link
In comment 12350499 djm said:
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that's why I think the guy to get is Monroe. He's the only guy that will be paid fair market value even though he's getting the max. Jordan too...but I don't think we land him and I believe Jordan would actually get a bigger max deal than Monroe...?


Jordan's Max is about 20 million more than Monroe at 4 years (Jordan at 5 years could max out at 43.5 more but he's reportedly not looking for 5)
How much do you think  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 10:36 am : link
Crowder is valued at?
Orlando  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 10:37 am : link
Bidding heavy on Millsap suggests to me that they don't love Tobias Harris as much as many on BBI.
I wonder if Milsap goes to Orlando  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 10:37 am : link
means that they might not match on Tobias Harris?
Jordan  
Jon in NYC : 7/1/2015 10:38 am : link
to the Mavs is a lock IMO.

I think we'll get Monroe, but I'm really not thrilled with that.
Dammit, Dan  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 10:38 am : link
.
weird  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 10:41 am : link
Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania 6s6 seconds ago
The Knicks have held preliminary discussions with free agent vet Willie Green, speaking twice since midnight, league sources tell RealGM.
Harris  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 10:41 am : link
Is a goner if they land PM in my view
RE: Jordan  
Deej : 7/1/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12350523 Jon in NYC said:
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to the Mavs is a lock IMO.

I think we'll get Monroe, but I'm really not thrilled with that.


Why? At 16 million, he's an absolute steal. I also think his best basketball is ahead of him. He has been playing out of position at PF.
i think we get Monroe...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 10:43 am : link
and one of the SG's. Hopefully its green or mathews (or even wade) and not afflalo.
RE: Orlando  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 10:43 am : link
In comment 12350521 DanMetroMan said:
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Bidding heavy on Millsap suggests to me that they don't love Tobias Harris as much as many on BBI.


Scott Skiles clashed with him in Milwaukee and was the factor behind him getting traded to Orlando. Now he is in Orlando and is being asked if they should give him the max and it looks like a hard no.

Detroit will give him the max. Does anyone else besides me see SVG is trying to reincarnate his Magic Finals team?

Drummond as Howard
Harris as Lewis
Ilyasova as Turkoglu
Jackson as Nelson
KCP as Lee

RE: i think we get Monroe...  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12350539 Italianju said:
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and one of the SG's. Hopefully its green or mathews (or even wade) and not afflalo.


If we can get either of them for $10 million or less I'd do it. Stretch Calderon and get O'Quinn at $4 million (as suggested by Zach Lowe).
Monroe  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 10:45 am : link
Is an amazing value at that price
O'quinn  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 10:47 am : link
Is my number one "smaller salary" big want
I think  
djm : 7/1/2015 10:49 am : link
we get a little too caught up in the lack of two way ability in players like Monroe. Most players are not two way beasts on both ends of the court. Most do one thing well and get by in other areas and that's fine. You can win with guys like Monroe. Even STAT would have left a better legacy here in NY if the dude could just stay on the fucking court. How many games did Stat and Melo even play together? Not many at all. And STAT was a downright terrible defensive player. Monroe is not as bad as Stat was defensively and he's not damaged goods.

Monroe is a solid player and he gives you interior scoring and rebounding. He's a legit big. He's well worth the "mini" max deal he's gonna command. It would be money well spent. And just because he isn't Dwight Howard defensively doesn't mean he's a total liability on that end of the court.
Brook Lopez  
Old Dirty Beckham : 7/1/2015 10:49 am : link
and Thad young got reasonable deals for the Nets.

With all the talk about Monroe to the Knicks I'm curious what everyone thinks about him Vs Brook. Whose better?
RE: RE: i think we get Monroe...  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 10:49 am : link
In comment 12350544 giantsfan44ab said:
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and one of the SG's. Hopefully its green or mathews (or even wade) and not afflalo.



If we can get either of them for $10 million or less I'd do it. Stretch Calderon and get O'Quinn at $4 million (as suggested by Zach Lowe).


Given the contracts being thrown around, it's hard to believe that any of those guys will get less than 10 million.
RE: Brook Lopez  
giants#1 : 7/1/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12350555 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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and Thad young got reasonable deals for the Nets.

With all the talk about Monroe to the Knicks I'm curious what everyone thinks about him Vs Brook. Whose better?


If you take into account their injury histories, than Monroe by a mile.
RE: Brook Lopez  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12350555 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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and Thad young got reasonable deals for the Nets.

With all the talk about Monroe to the Knicks I'm curious what everyone thinks about him Vs Brook. Whose better?


Little different types of players. Lopez has a better track record and scoring ability and can space the floor better than Monroe can. Monroe a better rebounder.

Monroe though is more durable, younger, and would make less money giving him a more valuable contract. Would rather sign up for Monroe right now.
Monroe is probably a better defender, is a better rebounder  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 10:55 am : link
Lopez is better offensively.
I'd take a healthy Lopez  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 10:56 am : link
over Monroe. Lopez can block shots and is an above average rim protector, although not elite. He's probably worse off at guarding 4s, but when you have an athletic freak like Thad Young to do that work, Lopez can stay around the rim. He is also one of the highest mid-range jump shooters by % in the league.

All that said, when you take injuries into account, I feel alot safer with Monroe.
lopez is better defensively  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 10:59 am : link
he can protect the rim... and the paint. neither can guard the perimeter.

lopez is an underrated defender. Hes just never been a willing rebounder until the 2nd half of last year.
Lopez a defender?  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 11:01 am : link
Spoken from a true net fan! Give me a break! My daughter is a better defender (playing D3 basketball).
Beer  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:02 am : link
I'm hoping that O'quinn is one of the last few guys looked at in free agency. As of now I think we are getting a bad perception of what contracts are going to be like simply from the max deals being thrown around and the Aminu deal.

Aminu had a really good playoffs and Portland has money to just throw around so I don't think thats a good benchmark.
RE: Lopez a defender?  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 11:03 am : link
In comment 12350595 Carl in CT said:
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Spoken from a true net fan! Give me a break! My daughter is a better defender (playing D3 basketball).


lazy analysis is good.. and that is what you are doing there.

what D3 league is she playing? fellow D3 hoop alum.
RE: Beer  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 11:04 am : link
In comment 12350597 giantsfan44ab said:
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I'm hoping that O'quinn is one of the last few guys looked at in free agency. As of now I think we are getting a bad perception of what contracts are going to be like simply from the max deals being thrown around and the Aminu deal.

Aminu had a really good playoffs and Portland has money to just throw around so I don't think thats a good benchmark.


He's a name where the cap room may dry up and his market will shrink. I like him on a cheap deal too. I was really talking about the SG trio of Green, Afflalo and Matthews. Those dudes are gonna get paid.
I dont think we have anything...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:04 am : link
left after signing Monroe and a SG. The contracts are just too high. Maybe if you stretch Calderon you could come up with another 4-5 mill to offer a guy like Oquinn
Lol Carl  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:05 am : link
you throw around "Net fan" like some demeaning insult, kind of how a conservative saying "damn liberals". Haha gave me a good laugh.

Not saying "better" defender means he is a good defender. Hes not a good on ball defender, but he gets 2 blocks in a game and alters a few shots. Neither Monroe or Lopez will be any good defensively in a fast paced game.
RE: I dont think we have anything...  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 11:06 am : link
In comment 12350602 Italianju said:
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left after signing Monroe and a SG. The contracts are just too high. Maybe if you stretch Calderon you could come up with another 4-5 mill to offer a guy like Oquinn


If its true they are heaily pursuing Beverly have to assume they have a deal in place for Calderon and if they dont then that is just stupid to have that much money locked up at PG
*says  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:06 am : link
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My only issue  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 11:14 am : link
with Greg Monroe is his ability to hit a jumper from 15 ft. His skill set outside of that is ideal for the Triangle, but if you're working him in the high post the ability to hit a jumper is key to keep the defense honest.

I think he'll be better defensively because it's going to be stressed. I don't think much of anything was stressed in Detroit.
As Osi has stated  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 11:15 am : link
PB is a PG in name only, nothing else. He'd be looked at as a back court defender acquisition more than anything else. And it'd still be a bad move. He's more annoying than talented on the defensive end.
The knicks could see all of...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:16 am : link
Beverely, Grant, and Galloway as combo guards though. LIke if we strike out on the SG's they might just go with those 4. I know that they arent technically SG's but at their size both Galloway and Grant can play some 2. Im not saying id prefer that, but i dont think our interest in Beverley means we def are moving Calderon.
I don't think that's a good enough  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:18 am : link
point to bank on. If you're going to debate whether Fisher or SVG is going to stress defense better is a moot point. He's 25, we'll just have to accept his defense for what it is. It's not great, but after throwing out Stat, Bargs and Jason Smith over the last few years, it could certainly be worse.
Like instead of signing a SG for 10-12....  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:18 am : link
mill maybe they are thinking we can sign a Beverely and Biyombo instead of just Green. Im not saying Beverely and Biyombo specifically but those level players.
RE: My only issue  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12350628 EricNY33 said:
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with Greg Monroe is his ability to hit a jumper from 15 ft. His skill set outside of that is ideal for the Triangle, but if you're working him in the high post the ability to hit a jumper is key to keep the defense honest.

I think he'll be better defensively because it's going to be stressed. I don't think much of anything was stressed in Detroit.


Greg Monroe is just so heavy footed as an athlete/person he'll always be limited.. I think he can be solid, but he's never going to completely turn it around. And that's fine.
if he can just be descent or average...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:20 am : link
on D then he is a very good NBA player. I think his offense is being undervalued cause he cant shoot 3's (yes im exaggerating). He is a very skilled big man who does a lot of things really well on offense.
RE: RE: My only issue  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 11:20 am : link
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In comment 12350628 EricNY33 said:


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with Greg Monroe is his ability to hit a jumper from 15 ft. His skill set outside of that is ideal for the Triangle, but if you're working him in the high post the ability to hit a jumper is key to keep the defense honest.

I think he'll be better defensively because it's going to be stressed. I don't think much of anything was stressed in Detroit.



Greg Monroe is just so heavy footed as an athlete/person he'll always be limited.. I think he can be solid, but he's never going to completely turn it around. And that's fine.


Just defend your position well... he has a big body. Use it.
Millsap ignoring some of these other suitors  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 11:23 am : link
But seriously considering Orlando is so random. I just checked to see if he has any ties to the area at all, and he doesn't. More power to him though, I think anyone who is willing to look past current W/L records could see that Orlando is stockpiling an impressive talent base down there and could be a playoff team as soon as next year, even if Millsap ultimately decided against them
well an offer of 4/80  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 11:25 am : link
is going to get Millsap's attention, whether it's Orlando, Milwaukee, or anywhere else. Especially at his age. This is likely his last big contract.
Don't want to get too excited  
Coach Mason : 7/1/2015 11:26 am : link
but if Monroe is a lock as rumored (months of rumors from multiple sources likely mean this has a good chance to happen). We may still have quite a bit of money to play with depending on his contract.

We are at about 28.5 million and that's not including utilizing the stretch provision on Calderon which would free up approx another 4 million. Secondly, reports form this morning state the cap # may be 2million higher than originally projected.

That could put us at right about 34.5 million. Seems pie in the sky perhaps, but would there be enough left for an LMA or Jordan?
RE: Millsap ignoring some of these other suitors  
giants#1 : 7/1/2015 11:26 am : link
In comment 12350656 MarshallOnMontana said:
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But seriously considering Orlando is so random. I just checked to see if he has any ties to the area at all, and he doesn't. More power to him though, I think anyone who is willing to look past current W/L records could see that Orlando is stockpiling an impressive talent base down there and could be a playoff team as soon as next year, even if Millsap ultimately decided against them


Maybe he likes the Southeast?
yeah im guessing that 4/80  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:28 am : link
has a lot to do with his interest. I like Millsap and have been prepared for the massive contracts, but that one is still crazy to me. If you are offering him max money it shouldnt be for max years to.
Enzo  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 11:28 am : link
I'm under the assumption that he could get that money in more than just Atlanta and Orlando, but I'm obviously not in contact with his agent
I doubt Monroe is willing to sign here  
Deej : 7/1/2015 11:28 am : link
if we get Jordan too. I assume he wants to be a center.
Danny Green back to Spurs  
Big Rick in FL : 7/1/2015 11:30 am : link
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RT @Chris_Broussard Sources: Danny Green has agreed to a 4 year, $45 million deal with the Spurs
couple of thoughts on Monroe  
bigbluehoya : 7/1/2015 11:30 am : link
At a certain point, the knock on his defense gets a little bit over-stated. I believe someone posted some analysis the other day that suggested he does just fine on defense when he is defending the 5 and gets owned when he is playing the 4. Especially until Zinger grows into his body a little bit more, and given Zinger's superior athleticism, Monroe ought to be defending the 5 (if he indeed does end up a NYK)and Porzingis the 4.

In a rapidly rising cap environment, if you're paying $15m per year for 15 and 10 on 50% shooting and 70+% from the stripe, you're doing just fine. These may be unsexy numbers for a second option on offense, but he's only the second option in year 1 (and perhaps not even then), if things go well....
Fair points  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 11:30 am : link
Greg Monroe is getting a bit of a bad rep. He's a very good player. Have wanted him since last year.

He's a good athlete. He moves comfortably in his body, which is no where near a given with guys of his size. Very coordinated. Those traits have made him a force on the offensive end and on the boards. It could also help him on the defensive end with the right help.
i dont think he would have any problem signing..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:30 am : link
here with Jordan. I dont think his issue in DET was having Drummond there. That said it would be very hard to fit them both in and depending on the length of contracts we would have a lot invested in bigs with 2 max deals and the 4th pick. I wouldnt be against it thought as a Melo, Monroe, Jordan frontline is awesome.
RE: Danny Green back to Spurs  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/1/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12350677 Big Rick in FL said:
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RT @Chris_Broussard Sources: Danny Green has agreed to a 4 year, $45 million deal with the Spurs

Not a horrible deal considered the rumored contract of Afflalo approaching 12-14 mil per.
RE: Millsap ignoring some of these other suitors  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12350656 MarshallOnMontana said:
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But seriously considering Orlando is so random. I just checked to see if he has any ties to the area at all, and he doesn't. More power to him though, I think anyone who is willing to look past current W/L records could see that Orlando is stockpiling an impressive talent base down there and could be a playoff team as soon as next year, even if Millsap ultimately decided against them


Yeah same here, I thought he was from Louisiana and checked to make sure he was. Born, raised and attended college there. I know Orlando is exciting and I am happy for them if he goes there, but it kinda stinks seeing Atlanta just hit 60 wins and still isn't an attractive spot for even their own guys. You wonder what else Atlanta can do. At least they are well coached and I am sure they'll find one way or another to hit 50 wins again this year. I think they'll end up taking on David Lee and whatever pick GS gives them.
Damn...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:32 am : link
i would have loved Green at that deal. This would have to mean no LA for SA right? I know these deals arent official and they can still work off the cap holds of Leonard/Green but i dont see how the money works with keeping all of them unless they have deals to dump both Diaw/Splitter.
So with Danny Gren resiging  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 11:34 am : link
Spurs will need to get rid of Splitter to get a deal done with Aldridge...
RE: Enzo  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12350671 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I'm under the assumption that he could get that money in more than just Atlanta and Orlando

the Orlando offer is the only one that's been reported so far and there's only so many teams with max cap room, especially once LMA and Jordan decide. If there's another team willing to go 4/80 for him it would be somewhat surprising.
I think Monroe could easily by an 18 and 10 guy in NY  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:36 am : link
Josh Smith really hurt the numbers he was able to get. He put up like 18 and 10 when Smith got cut and he won't have to fight for post possessions with a guy like Drummond anymore, although we have Melo here.

Another underrated aspect of his game is playing the passing lanes. 1.2 steals per game doesn't do it enough justice, but he does have good hands and great BB IQ.
RE: couple of thoughts on Monroe  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 11:37 am : link
In comment 12350679 bigbluehoya said:
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At a certain point, the knock on his defense gets a little bit over-stated. I believe someone posted some analysis the other day that suggested he does just fine on defense when he is defending the 5 and gets owned when he is playing the 4. Especially until Zinger grows into his body a little bit more, and given Zinger's superior athleticism, Monroe ought to be defending the 5 (if he indeed does end up a NYK)and Porzingis the 4.

In a rapidly rising cap environment, if you're paying $15m per year for 15 and 10 on 50% shooting and 70+% from the stripe, you're doing just fine. These may be unsexy numbers for a second option on offense, but he's only the second option in year 1 (and perhaps not even then), if things go well....


I think that was me. All his rate statistics (both offense and defense) are better at the 5. Even his block rate, although he's still not good enough to qualify as a rim protector. You can look it up on 82games.com.
Orlando is such a bizarre city to read/rank as a FA destination  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 11:37 am : link
It's the place Shaq and Dwight spurned to spread their wings in bigger markets. It's also the place Tmac and Grant Hill flocked to (almost Tim Duncan too, people forget how close he was in summer of 2001). Now they look to be in on Millsap. They are both crappy small market and free agent potential hot spot at the same time. There's not another city like it in the league in my view. Great weather, shit market.
No income tax  
Deej : 7/1/2015 11:38 am : link
and most strippers per capita. Orlando has its' charms.
RE: I think Monroe could easily by an 18 and 10 guy in NY  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 11:40 am : link
In comment 12350693 giantsfan44ab said:
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Not exactly a bold statement. He averaged 16 and 10 this season. You're basically saying he can score one more basket a game.
I don't think the Green signing  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:40 am : link
indicates they are closing the door on Aldridge. I mean they had to show they are committed to building a good roster around him, so if anything, its a step towards them land LA. If Green bolted, that would've been a scary sign for Aldridge.

But yeah, now SA has to move Splitter and maybe even Diaw. I'd rather have Splitter; I wouldn't mind absorbing his contract. If we could stretch Calderon, we'd have $6-7 mil to work with.
Im very high on Monroe here  
Deej : 7/1/2015 11:40 am : link
19-11 sounds right to me. He's going to be so much more free at his natural position, and out of an environment he hates.

I hope Green in SA means LA in LA, since the Lakers are maybe the biggest competition for Monroe.
AGF  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:42 am : link
I was responding to the comment that Monroe was a "15 and 10 guy". Although its only 3 more points I feel like 18 as opposed to 15 nowadays is the difference between the 2nd and 3rd best scorer on a good team.
RE: i dont think he would have any problem signing..  
Coach Mason : 7/1/2015 11:42 am : link
In comment 12350681 Italianju said:
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here with Jordan. I dont think his issue in DET was having Drummond there. That said it would be very hard to fit them both in and depending on the length of contracts we would have a lot invested in bigs with 2 max deals and the 4th pick. I wouldnt be against it thought as a Melo, Monroe, Jordan frontline is awesome.


If we stretch Calderon and the cap is 2 mill more, it may not be impossible to sign both (at least in theory).

Melo,Monroe and Jordan/LMA would be a team that could make some serious noise in the East.
Deej  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 11:42 am : link
That's true too

More than any other NBA city, the beauty of Orlando is in the eye of he beholder.
Milsap is married and has 3 daughters  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:44 am : link
not sure if the whole strippers thing is a selling point...or is it?

How are the school systems there?
Splitter to the hawks  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 11:46 am : link
Aldridge to the Spurs is gonna happen
Sorry, didn't realize  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 11:48 am : link
Depending on the team we were to put out, he'll improve his stats. On a team with DJ and Melo, he'd be something like a 20-8 guy IMO. A team without DJ and he's more of a 19-11 guy as someone else just said.
Spurs/Golden St.  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 11:48 am : link
is gonna be fun next season.
Welp aldridge to Spurs seems like a lock now  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 11:49 am : link
Splitter traded to Hawks...you would think they wouldnt trade unless they had a pretty good idead Aldridge was coming
RE: Deej  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12350714 MarshallOnMontana said:
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That's true too

More than any other NBA city, the beauty of Orlando is in the eye of he beholder.


The no state income tax is a big draw for any Florida team, but you're right. Unless you're a player with kids the allure of Orlando is kind of nil.
I feel like  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:50 am : link
his numbers would go down with DJ. If you got O'Quinn who is a mid-range shooter, that would maximize his points/efficiency in the post. But there's no point in that debate right now, gotta see who we actually have a shot at. I think its going to be LA to the Spurs and don't think we have a legit shot at DJ.
Unreal what the Spurs are doing.  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 11:51 am : link
Seamless transition right into the Leonard/Aldridge era. Freaking annoying.
Love how the convo  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:51 am : link
has transitioned into what personal aspects of Milsap's live will be embraced by a move to Orlando. Looking forward to the press conference to find out what it was!
I dont think it means LA...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:51 am : link
is a lock, but its def still a strong possibility. After resigning Leonard, Green, Duncan, Joseph, etc.. they prolly would want to shed some salary anyway.
From 82 games  
Deej : 7/1/2015 11:51 am : link
Monroe was a 17.9 PER guy at PF and a 26.8 PER guy at C last year. Notably, not a huge difference in what opposing PFs and Cs did against him (C's did a bit better at 19.9 PER vs 18.0). But (1) overall net -.1 PER as a PF and +6.9 as a C, and (2) the great Andre Drummond allowed a similar 19.2 PER to opposing Cs.

I really think he'll break out with ~33 mpg at C.
Link - ( New Window )
Perhaps it's because  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 11:52 am : link
I watched Monroe as a PF or maybe not enough period, but the stats and a lot of the posters here seem to think he'll be a decent defender at C which makes sense given his size and physicality. He's an excellent passer too which is important here since neither Melo or KP are great facilitators from the post.
Is Splitter to Atlanta done?  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:52 am : link
.
Im sure its more likely they let Millsap..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:53 am : link
go but this could make Carroll more likely to be gone from ATL. Not sure exactly how i feel about him at 10 mill a year though.
Schmeelk  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 11:53 am : link
(I don't get the Monroe connection)

Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it.
11:51am - 1 Jul 15
O'Quinn  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:53 am : link
solid shooter and defender, would allow Monroe to play C.

I know Dan's in on O'Quinn, lets start sending petitions to MSG!
..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:54 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 59s60 seconds ago
Spurs are walking into the LaMarcus Aldridge meeting right now, armed with Danny Green, cap space and frontrunner status on luring Aldridge.
RE: Schmeelk  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 11:54 am : link
In comment 12350746 DanMetroMan said:
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(I don't get the Monroe connection)

Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it.
11:51am - 1 Jul 15


Why does it make monroe to knicks less likely? Don't get that connection. Because Portland wants him now?
Hahn  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 11:54 am : link
That Hawks-Spurs trade might have opened the door on #Knicks bringing in Carroll.
11:52am - 1 Jul 15
Dan..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:55 am : link
only thing i can think of is that he thinks the Lakers might get Monroe since LA wont go there. I dont get that at all.

I like Carroll a lot, but it would be scary to pay big money to a late bloomer kinda guy.
RE: Schmeelk  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12350746 DanMetroMan said:
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(I don't get the Monroe connection)

Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it.
11:51am - 1 Jul 15


Maybe he thinks the Lakers have the inside track on Monroe after missing out (potentially) on Aldridge?
OQuinn  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 11:55 am : link
Is local, rugged and can shoot. Do it
RE: RE: Deej  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12350732 EricNY33 said:
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In comment 12350714 MarshallOnMontana said:


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That's true too

More than any other NBA city, the beauty of Orlando is in the eye of he beholder.



The no state income tax is a big draw for any Florida team, but you're right. Unless you're a player with kids the allure of Orlando is kind of nil.


Eric, that's not what I was meaning to convey. I was saying it's interesting how mixed their free agent history has been, there's really no parallel to them. They are the organization who hasn't been able to retain the 2 best players they've ever had, yet they've also attracted guys like TMAC and Grant Hill who were both mega free agents at the time. Almost nabbed Duncan too.
RE: Schmeelk  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12350746 DanMetroMan said:
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(I don't get the Monroe connection)

Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it.
11:51am - 1 Jul 15


I think this means Carroll is going back to Atlanta now.
KOQ  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 11:55 am : link
Will be Zingers bodyguard yes!
...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 11:56 am : link
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 2m2 minutes ago
My read on Hawks taking Splitter ($8.5m) into cap room is bye-bye DeMarre Carroll.

Id rather carroll then Afflalo. I dont really know why, but i would, ha.
RE: Schmeelk  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12350746 DanMetroMan said:
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(I don't get the Monroe connection)

Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it.
11:51am - 1 Jul 15

Schmeelk sucks?
The last thing I want us to do is spend  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 11:56 am : link
on the Carroll's of the world. Those are the sorts of guys we should be trying to develop.
Portland now has  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:57 am : link
Mason Plumlee, Aminu Vonleh, and Leonard in the frontcourt. Monroe's lack of jump shooting is an ill-fit in Portlands system. Portland also has every incentive to tank because their pick to Denver for Afflalo gets turned into two 2nd rounders if they hit the lottery.

Can't see the LA fit. Monroe and Randle? Jeez thats going to be bad on defense.
RE: RE: RE: Deej  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 11:58 am : link
In comment 12350758 MarshallOnMontana said:
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In comment 12350732 EricNY33 said:


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In comment 12350714 MarshallOnMontana said:


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That's true too

More than any other NBA city, the beauty of Orlando is in the eye of he beholder.



The no state income tax is a big draw for any Florida team, but you're right. Unless you're a player with kids the allure of Orlando is kind of nil.



Eric, that's not what I was meaning to convey. I was saying it's interesting how mixed their free agent history has been, there's really no parallel to them. They are the organization who hasn't been able to retain the 2 best players they've ever had, yet they've also attracted guys like TMAC and Grant Hill who were both mega free agents at the time. Almost nabbed Duncan too.


That's true. I could understand Shaq leaving, but I never understood Howard leaving. I still don't get that one.
RE: ...  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 11:59 am : link
In comment 12350763 Italianju said:
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Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 2m2 minutes ago
My read on Hawks taking Splitter ($8.5m) into cap room is bye-bye DeMarre Carroll.

Id rather carroll then Afflalo. I dont really know why, but i would, ha.


Can't they give Carroll more than any other team and go over the cap to keep him? I don't see how this impacts that.

That being said... I don't want him at that inflated price.
Any chance Caroll is brought in to play the 4?  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:59 am : link
He played the 4 early in his career. I can see him doing a decent defensive job at the 2,3, and 4. 6'10" wingspan.
yeah i dont like Monroe...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:00 pm : link
as a fit in either POR or LA. If POR loses LA they should just blow it up and build around lillard. I hate how quiet the Knicks are. I know its cause we dont have anyone leaking info and thats great, but i want more rumors. I mean last night we didnt even get the useless "Knicks feel Monroe meeting went great" "Best meeting ever" "better then last years meetings with blank". You know all the crap they said after the lakers met with LA,.
I have a bad feeling  
SicilianGMEN : 7/1/2015 12:00 pm : link
Monroe is not coming to the Knicks and he'll go to the Lakers after the Lakers now realize LMA is going to the Spurs...
Of course  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 12:00 pm : link
Howard didn't technically leave in free agency, but that's semantics. He was only traded because he would not commit to an extension
I still think Jordan is more likely for the Lakers  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 12:01 pm : link
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What kind of a world  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:02 pm : link
do we live in where DeMarre Carroll is holding FA meetings??

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Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 6m6 minutes ago North Massapequa, NY
If Knicks can get DeMarre Carroll and Monroe it's not a bad haul for Phil. Told Carroll would hold meetings in Atlanta.
Carroll to the raptors  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 12:04 pm : link
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...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:04 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 41s41 seconds ago
Lakers didn't make strong impression in Aldridge meeting, sources say. Spurs can close on him. LMA expected to make decision fairly soon.
Good thing Berman is on it, LOL  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 12:04 pm : link
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Very curious to see...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:05 pm : link
the Carroll numbers.
RE: What kind of a world  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12350781 EricNY33 said:
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do we live in where DeMarre Carroll is holding FA meetings??



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Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 6m6 minutes ago North Massapequa, NY
If Knicks can get DeMarre Carroll and Monroe it's not a bad haul for Phil. Told Carroll would hold meetings in Atlanta.



When theres $40 million on the line, thats an "investment" level signing.

And could someone please explain how a Randle/Monroe frontcourt with Russell, old Kobe, and nick young would win more than 30 games? That would have to be the worst defensive team bar none next year.
RE: Good thing Berman is on it, LOL  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:06 pm : link
In comment 12350786 BeerFridge said:
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I just thought the same thing...
Yikes...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:06 pm : link
Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 35s35 seconds ago
Hawks lose DeMarre Carroll to the Toronto Raptors, I'm told, on a four-year, $60-Million deal. DeMarre himself announced via Twitter.

So even as prepared as i was for absurd deals im still finding them absurd. So is afflalo at 12 a good deal now????
Carrols twitter feed  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 12:07 pm : link
Says he's a raptor.
I think it's gonna be afflalo  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 12:07 pm : link
Fills a need, friends with Melo. Hopefully after we have Monroe locked in.
15 a year for DC?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 12:07 pm : link
What.....
wow glad we didn't jump on the Carroll  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 12:08 pm : link
bandwagon
Monroe to the Lakers makes sense  
Deej : 7/1/2015 12:08 pm : link
Randle can be flipped if need be. In a vacuum I think a player would choose LA over us, but why would Monroe want to go out west if he's trying to maximize future paydays?
Fun fact  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 12:08 pm : link
Aaron Afflalo is 29, Demarre Carroll is turning 29 this month.
Holy shit  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 12:09 pm : link
The numbers on the Carroll deal are absurd. And his 40ish% 3 point shooting aberration year is highly unlikely to translate into Dwayne Casey's Raptor system. The hawks system created to a of open looks for him
Carroll's agent  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 12:09 pm : link
deserves a major kickback for that one. He goes from making $2.5 million to $15 million in 1 year...holy shit.
Carroll is now making roughly what Harden makes  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 12:10 pm : link
unreal how much of an impact the rising cap is making.
That's one expensive junkyard dog  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 12:11 pm : link
...
Good thing for him  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 12:11 pm : link
The MRI checked out after that scare in game 1 of the conference finals. Otherwise this absurd deal isn't possible.
or even better  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 12:11 pm : link
Carroll is going to make $6M more than Steph Curry over the next 2 years.
good lord....that's nuts  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 12:12 pm : link
Makes me shudder to think what kind of lunacy is yet to come.
we just need to adjust what we think value is...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:13 pm : link
i was saying 3-4 more then you would expect, but it might be something like double what you would expect. After seeing these deals its obvious that afflalo at 12 is at worst market value, yesterday that seemed like a horrible overpay.
Although it's  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:14 pm : link
much more money this Carroll deal is eerily reminiscent of Landry Fields' deal with Toronto.
Carroll  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 12:14 pm : link
is the type of guy you need to draft and develop, and then repeat the same process when he becomes a free agent. Their value instantly goes away the second they get paid.
and that is 3-4 mill more...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:14 pm : link
i should have clarified that.
At this rate, I'd avoid splurging  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 12:14 pm : link
on the SG market. Wait till next year when there are better options than this.
Yes, the changing cap is driving all these numbers up  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 12:15 pm : link
It's like living in one of those banana republics where all of a sudden one day you have a new currency.
I don't care what market value is  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 12:16 pm : link
12 milly a year for AA is absurd. Let someone else pay him.
if Aldridge goes to...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:16 pm : link
SA i wonder if Jordan thinks harder about getting out of the West? I def dont see why any of these guys would go to the lakers right now if they want to win. I mean at least in the East a guy could think they team up with Melo and someone else and could easily be top 4 in the East (im not saying its likely, but a confident guy could think that), out west SA, GSW, and OKC all look awesome on paper and if Jordan goes back to the clippers they are solid to
hahaha.  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 12:17 pm : link
Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 8m8 minutes ago
DeMarre Carroll is now the highest paid player on an NBA team.
I said this on another thread  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 12:17 pm : link
But the cap rises more from 2015-2018 than it did from 1997-2015. This is like 2 decades worth of inflation condensed into 3 years
Melo's  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 12:17 pm : link
deal all of a sudden doesn't look so bad.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:17 pm : link
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Royce Young
‏@royceyoung
The Rockets, Pelicans and Knicks have interest in unrestricted free agent Kendrick Perkins, according to a source.



RE: if Aldridge goes to...  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 12:18 pm : link
In comment 12350840 Italianju said:
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SA i wonder if Jordan thinks harder about getting out of the West? I def dont see why any of these guys would go to the lakers right now if they want to win. I mean at least in the East a guy could think they team up with Melo and someone else and could easily be top 4 in the East (im not saying its likely, but a confident guy could think that), out west SA, GSW, and OKC all look awesome on paper and if Jordan goes back to the clippers they are solid to


And Houston.
how do guys  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 12:18 pm : link
like Perkins stick around the league?
If the Knicks are interested in Perkins, it doesn't make me  
yatqb : 7/1/2015 12:19 pm : link
optimistic on Jordan or Monroe.

Damn, we could get shut out on any real difference-makers.
Beerfridge...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:20 pm : link
thats right. And MEM i guess. THe west is just absurd.

So im thinking we have two scenarios for the Knicks:

1- Knicks pay market value for Monroe and Afflalo - Media says "Desperate knicks overpay as usual in quick fix attempt"

2 - Knicks stay smart and dont overpay and maybe sign smaller pieces - Media says "Knicks strike out, nobody wants to play for them"
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 12:20 pm : link
Like we weren't even in the final 3 for Carroll. Maybe our interest was overstated?
RE: If the Knicks are interested in Perkins, it doesn't make me  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12350859 yatqb said:
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optimistic on Jordan or Monroe.

Damn, we could get shut out on any real difference-makers.



I don't see the connection at all. Perkins is a vet minimum guy. The Knicks arent signing him to do anything but be a bench guy who rarely plays
First of all they have to have..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
interest in a bunch of guys at the same time. Its not like they are interested in Jordan and are waiting for him to respond before they have interest in anyone else. Also i dont like him, but Perkins is the kind of guy you need next to Monroe. Just hopefully its not Perkins cause he is overrated.
RE: how do guys  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12350853 MookGiants said:
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like Perkins stick around the league?


Good teammate, I guess.
I'll be completely satisfied with an offseason  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
Where we only spend serious money on Monroe and that's it.

Man, Danny Green looks like such a bargain in real time.
I'm going to just assume that's Royce Young having some fun with us  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 12:22 pm : link
Because I don't feel like bursting into tears like that kid at the draft.
I can never hate on a guy for getting $$$$$$$$$bills  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 12:22 pm : link
but I'm so damn happy that Kobe is such a selfish fuck. Imagine how loaded the Lakers would be right now if Kobe went the Duncan/Dirk route?
RE: First of all they have to have..  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12350869 Italianju said:
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interest in a bunch of guys at the same time. Its not like they are interested in Jordan and are waiting for him to respond before they have interest in anyone else. Also i dont like him, but Perkins is the kind of guy you need next to Monroe. Just hopefully its not Perkins cause he is overrated.


Perkins is the kind of guy you need sitting on the end of your bench in a suit. He is absolutely awful.
All I know is  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:23 pm : link
as ridiculous as that scene with Darth Vader was at the end of Episode III it has since become useful in the world of social media via the memes....
RE: Sounds  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12350866 DanMetroMan said:
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Like we weren't even in the final 3 for Carroll. Maybe our interest was overstated?


Or maybe Phil reacted how most of us would when he saw DC being valued at 15 a year.

And maybe  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:24 pm : link
Shane Battier is right. Players don't want to come here because the media is relentless. Maybe that's the way Frank Isola gets his revenge on Dolan and MSG. Just keep ripping the team and the organization which keeps the players away.
Any interest in Kendrick Perkins  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 12:24 pm : link
Is going to be for whatever the league minimum is. Really the only reason he has been playing any real minutes at all the last couple years is because cheap ass okc had to justify the dumb deal they gave him. For the vet minimum as a guy who plays sparingly you could do worse. He truly sucks, even his defense has been overrated for years, but he's an awesome locker room presence and any team could use his toughness in a pinch
RE: RE: Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 12:25 pm : link
In comment 12350883 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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In comment 12350866 DanMetroMan said:


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Like we weren't even in the final 3 for Carroll. Maybe our interest was overstated?
http://ny.eater.com/2015/6/30/8862395/stolovaya-restaurant-review-russian


Or maybe Phil reacted how most of us would when he saw DC being valued at 15 a year.



Raptors offer reportedly "blew away" the other 2 finalists
I'm going to be extremely dissapointed  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 12:28 pm : link
if we lose out on Monroe. At least we'd have Jon to comfort us on why that was a good thing if it does happen.
if we lose out on Monroe...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 12:30 pm : link
i really hope we can think of some smart moves to make with the capspace. There could be teams that need to shed money to make moves or to get under the luxury or whatever. Make them give us some picks or something to take back player X.
I still think we'll get Monroe or Jordan.  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 12:30 pm : link
Not sure what else though.
RE: And maybe  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 12:30 pm : link
In comment 12350884 EricNY33 said:
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Shane Battier is right. Players don't want to come here because the media is relentless. Maybe that's the way Frank Isola gets his revenge on Dolan and MSG. Just keep ripping the team and the organization which keeps the players away.


A player would have to be really soft to consider "media pressure" among the reasons to choose a team.
I'm just crossing my fingers that Jose Calderon will look CHEAP  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 12:31 pm : link
to some teams in the next 48 hours.
RE: RE: Sounds  
figgy2989 : 7/1/2015 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12350883 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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Like we weren't even in the final 3 for Carroll. Maybe our interest was overstated?



Or maybe Phil reacted how most of us would when he saw DC being valued at 15 a year.



That gif is hysterical!
RE: Beerfridge...  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12350863 Italianju said:
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thats right. And MEM i guess. THe west is just absurd.

So im thinking we have two scenarios for the Knicks:

1- Knicks pay market value for Monroe and Afflalo - Media says "Desperate knicks overpay as usual in quick fix attempt"

2 - Knicks stay smart and dont overpay and maybe sign smaller pieces - Media says "Knicks strike out, nobody wants to play for them"


I think if it's 1, then the media would mostly be ok with it. If it's 2, it's a legit criticism of building via FA.
I firmly believe Perkins  
Pep22 : 7/1/2015 12:41 pm : link
is the worst player in the NBA
RE: I firmly believe Perkins  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 12:42 pm : link
In comment 12350925 Pep22 said:
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is the worst player in the NBA

it's either him or Wear.
RE: I firmly believe Perkins  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:42 pm : link
In comment 12350925 Pep22 said:
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is the worst player in the NBA


I think even the stats support that assertion lol
RE: RE: And maybe  
Deej : 7/1/2015 12:43 pm : link
In comment 12350907 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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A player would have to be really soft to consider "media pressure" among the reasons to choose a team.


And yet some say that one reason guys stick around in San Antonio is that the media stays the hell away from them. Then you see OKC, where Durant and Westbrook's mistrust of the media may cause the collapse of that team.

It's really easy for posters on a message board to say stuff like the media shouldnt matter. Or that professionals shouldnt need to be motivated etc. But it's just not how most humans function.
RE: RE: RE: And maybe  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 12:48 pm : link
In comment 12350931 Deej said:
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A player would have to be really soft to consider "media pressure" among the reasons to choose a team.



And yet some say that one reason guys stick around in San Antonio is that the media stays the hell away from them. Then you see OKC, where Durant and Westbrook's mistrust of the media may cause the collapse of that team.

It's really easy for posters on a message board to say stuff like the media shouldnt matter. Or that professionals shouldnt need to be motivated etc. But it's just not how most humans function.


Guys stick around San Antonio because they WIN. If OKC had actually won anything, there would be very little talk about going anywhere. If the Knicks had the Splash Bros. in addition to plenty of cap space, no one would care about how mean Frank Isola will be to them.
new york  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 12:51 pm : link
taxes suck
real estate is expensive
the team isn't great
the weather is awful

whats not to like?
RE: new york  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12350957 hitdog42 said:
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taxes suck
real estate is expensive
the team isn't great
the weather is awful

whats not to like?


So weather must be the big draw then because you also just described L.A.
RE: RE: new york  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12350962 EricNY33 said:
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taxes suck
real estate is expensive
the team isn't great
the weather is awful

whats not to like?



So weather must be the big draw then because you also just described L.A.


that might be the right answer!
and people are less angry I guess
This winter was seriously a travesty  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 12:54 pm : link
It actually had me reconsider living in New York.
travesty = tragedy  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 12:55 pm : link
Autocorrect
RE: This winter was seriously a travesty  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12350967 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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It actually had me reconsider living in New York.


And maybe there's something to the softness of your generation... ;-)
the All-Star Game didn't help  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 12:56 pm : link
it was such a shitty weekend in NY and I'm sure players took notice of how brutal a NY winter could be.
HOLY CHRIST!  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 12:57 pm : link
IT'S SNOW PEOPLE! IT MELTS!

Half the time these guys are in warm penthouses, doing some kind of marketing, working out in the gym... enough already about the damn weather.
RE: HOLY CHRIST!  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12350976 EricNY33 said:
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IT'S SNOW PEOPLE! IT MELTS!

Half the time these guys are in warm penthouses, doing some kind of marketing, working out in the gym... enough already about the damn weather.


Why doesn't my gym look like this?

RE: RE: HOLY CHRIST!  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12351003 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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IT'S SNOW PEOPLE! IT MELTS!

Half the time these guys are in warm penthouses, doing some kind of marketing, working out in the gym... enough already about the damn weather.



Why doesn't my gym look like this?



because you're not a wealthy NBA player?
The winter is even worse out here in the Midwest  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:05 pm : link
hasn't hurt Chicago or Indiana's prospects of free agents.
I'd rather be cold than meltingly hot any day of the week  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 1:06 pm : link
You can keep that fucking Florida weather.
personally I enjoy NY weather  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 1:10 pm : link
the seasons are so distinct. I prefer a nice beach Summer day, but I love a cold as hell winter day every now and then.

It's not the be all end all, but it does matter a little bit to players if they have to deal with harsh weather or not. There are obviously other more important factors starting with money.
RE: The winter is even worse out here in the Midwest  
Metnut : 7/1/2015 1:10 pm : link
In comment 12351008 giantsfan44ab said:
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hasn't hurt Chicago or Indiana's prospects of free agents.


Who was the last big free agent to sign with Chicago or Indiana? Pau Gasol?
cold as hell  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 1:11 pm : link
so stupid. I meant cold as fhhuuuk
RE: RE: The winter is even worse out here in the Midwest  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12351032 Metnut said:
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hasn't hurt Chicago or Indiana's prospects of free agents.



Who was the last big free agent to sign with Chicago or Indiana? Pau Gasol?


Yeah, I have no idea where you're going with this. And none of us even said the weather was the main factor, but that it's just another thing added into the whole equation. Not to mention those teams have been a lot better than us over the past several years.
The last big free agent  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 1:12 pm : link
to leave a warm climate for a cold one was LeBron James. So there!
go debate the weather  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 1:13 pm : link
on the weather channel!
Jordan  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:16 pm : link
2 meetings with the Mavs before 1 with the Knicks or lakers...
RE: RE: The winter is even worse out here in the Midwest  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:17 pm : link
In comment 12351032 Metnut said:
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hasn't hurt Chicago or Indiana's prospects of free agents.



Who was the last big free agent to sign with Chicago or Indiana? Pau Gasol?


Who was the last big free agent either of those teams tried to pursue? Melo in Chicago? David West signed in Indy after having a 19 PPG season in NO.

Just because those two aren't shitty organizations that don't need to go out and sign free agents every year doesn't mean players don't want to play there. Ellis looks like he is headed to Indy this year.
RE: go debate the weather  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:17 pm : link
In comment 12351047 Carl in CT said:
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on the weather channel!


Exactly! We aren't NETS fans over here!
Wow  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:18 pm : link
Sergio Llull Offered 24 million by the rockets
RE: I'll be completely satisfied with an offseason  
Tuckrule : 7/1/2015 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12350872 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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Where we only spend serious money on Monroe and that's it.

Man, Danny Green looks like such a bargain in real time.


Agree on getting one good solid guy and make a major splash next free agency. Would hate to over spend for a guy like afflalo
Medina  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:19 pm : link
@MarkG_Medina: I'm told Jeremy Lin fielding interest from Dallas, Memphis, Indiana, Chicago, San Antonio, Clippers & even the Lakers http://t.co/qFYdG2T9dz
Anothergiantsfan  
Tuckrule : 7/1/2015 1:20 pm : link
That pic and caption was great. Had to acknowledge it , well done sir
the thing about..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 1:20 pm : link
not wanting to overspend and just save money for next year is that the contracts are going to be even more absurd next year. Im not saying i def want to overpay an Afflalo type this year, but the idea that there will be better deals next year is most likely wrong.
Tough to ask Gasol to bail on his hometown team  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 1:20 pm : link
and leave $30 million on the table in the process, but I'd be looking to get to the Eastern Conference if I were him. Spurs (assuming Alridge is on his way) and Golden State will be impossible to get past with an aging roster. The next tier of teams in the West is no picnic, either.
RE: Tough to ask Gasol to bail on his hometown team  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 1:22 pm : link
In comment 12351077 bceagle05 said:
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and leave $30 million on the table in the process, but I'd be looking to get to the Eastern Conference if I were him. Spurs (assuming Alridge is on his way) and Golden State will be impossible to get past with an aging roster. The next tier of teams in the West is no picnic, either.


Twitter says he and Grizz owner are meeting in Barcelona to discuss contract today.
Tuck  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 1:23 pm : link
Exactly! no Lin, Affalo, Koufos, Perkins etc. Stick to the plan. Let's not waste 20m per (60 total) on the Lopez of the world.
Lakers didn't make a strong impression on LMA?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 1:23 pm : link
What happened... Mitch Kupchak showed up in a wheelchair?
Gasol  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:23 pm : link
Reportedly is a "done deal" pending announcement
RE: Wow  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 1:24 pm : link
In comment 12351066 DanMetroMan said:
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Sergio Llull Offered 24 million by the rockets


This has been rumored for a while, I like what I see from him. His game seems a lot more suited for the NBA than most Euro guards, he's NBA fast and is a good shooter. I have no idea what his defense is like though, you read mixed reviews online and the quality of NBA guards is so much better than what they have in Europe.
not surprising  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 1:24 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m2 minutes ago
Free agent Dwyane Wade and Miami are progressing in talks on a likely multi-year deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
No surprise here...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 1:25 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 3m3 minutes ago
Free agent Dwyane Wade and Miami are progressing in talks on a likely multi-year deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
RE: Lakers didn't make a strong impression on LMA?  
aimrocky : 7/1/2015 1:25 pm : link
In comment 12351089 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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What happened... Mitch Kupchak showed up in a wheelchair?


According to Evan Roberts, the Lakers brought Adam Levine to dinner with them and pitched the glitz and glamor of playing in LA.
Nevermind the weather anywhere  
OC2.0 : 7/1/2015 1:27 pm : link
That "no state tax" thing would be a pretty persuasive item to me.
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:27 pm : link
@EricPincus: The New Orleans Pelicans have rescinded their qualifying offer to Jeff WIthey - he becomes an unrestricted free agent @BBallInsiders
RE: RE: Lakers didn't make a strong impression on LMA?  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 1:27 pm : link
In comment 12351102 aimrocky said:
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What happened... Mitch Kupchak showed up in a wheelchair?



According to Evan Roberts, the Lakers brought Adam Levine to dinner with them and pitched the glitz and glamor of playing in LA.


They did the same thing with Melo last year, showing him in movies and Lala getting movie deals...
Steve Nash was also brought in by the Lakers  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 1:28 pm : link
to talk about how great LA is as a city for an athlete.
RE: RE: Lakers didn't make a strong impression on LMA?  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12351102 aimrocky said:
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What happened... Mitch Kupchak showed up in a wheelchair?



According to Evan Roberts, the Lakers brought Adam Levine to dinner with them and pitched the glitz and glamor of playing in LA.


LOL I hope that's true. I think the charms of Adam Levine would go lost on LMA (among many others).
Im sure these guys know what its like to...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 1:30 pm : link
play in LA or NY for that matter. Its not like Aldridge is a 20 year old kid. Personally i liked the article that came out yesterday about the Knicks not pushing the NY angle and investments and other opportunities, and blah blah blah. I dont think that stuff matters as much these days. NY/LA just isnt as big of a deal to these guys i dont think.
RE: ..  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12351109 DanMetroMan said:
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@EricPincus: The New Orleans Pelicans have rescinded their qualifying offer to Jeff WIthey - he becomes an unrestricted free agent @BBallInsiders


SIGN HIM! This is the kind of move that makes sense! Defensive presence at a bargain basement price!
Ramona Shelburne is more annoying than Windhorst  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 1:33 pm : link
I didn't think it was possible to be as much of a homer as she is.
I had to look up who Adam Levine is  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 1:34 pm : link
Somehow I think the lead singer of Maroon fucking 5 isn't going to be a major pull for an NBA star. Just my gut feeling.
Yesssssss  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:34 pm : link
@MarkG_Medina: Add the New York Knicks as another team that also called expressing interest in Wayne Ellington, according to a league source.
RE: I had to look up who Adam Levine is  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 1:34 pm : link
In comment 12351136 Greg from LI said:
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Somehow I think the lead singer of Maroon fucking 5 isn't going to be a major pull for an NBA star. Just my gut feeling.


Of course you had to.
I like cheap talent w upside  
Pep22 : 7/1/2015 1:34 pm : link
especially when guys can defend. If I am Phil, I offer C Jeff Withey (a very good shot blocker) and Aaron Craft (a better version of Matt Dellevedova) a two year guaranteed deal at the MIN. Not a needle mover this year but I believe that back ends of rosters should be filled with these types as opposed to guys like Willie Green and Kendrick Perkins.
Withey is intriguing if he costs little  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:35 pm : link
was a huge fan of him at Kansas. Dude was a force in the NCAA tournament. Guards were afraid to go into the paint on him. Get him on for the min.
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:38 pm : link
"I just feel that Carmelo, he is a bit soft," Vandeweghe said, after her second-round, 7-6 (5), 6-4 victory over Karolina Pliskova. "And now this is just my own personal opinion. I think he is soft. I don't think he has a killer instinct in his eyes, at least this last year.

"And I also think he needs people around him that have that killer instinct, because then that brings it out of you," Vandeweghe said. "And with him taking such a high salary, I think that kind of handcuffs the Knicks in being able to get those types of players that are getting big contracts. There's no way around that."
Jeff Withey won the college DPOY equivalent  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:38 pm : link
His name is on the same list as Anthony Davis, Oladipo, WCS and Tim Duncan.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:38 pm : link
Scouts previously reportedly liked Withey
RE: ..  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12351147 DanMetroMan said:
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"I just feel that Carmelo, he is a bit soft," Vandeweghe said, after her second-round, 7-6 (5), 6-4 victory over Karolina Pliskova. "And now this is just my own personal opinion. I think he is soft. I don't think he has a killer instinct in his eyes, at least this last year.

"And I also think he needs people around him that have that killer instinct, because then that brings it out of you," Vandeweghe said. "And with him taking such a high salary, I think that kind of handcuffs the Knicks in being able to get those types of players that are getting big contracts. There's no way around that."


I'm probably embarrassing myself here, but who the fuck is Vandeweghe?
Dan  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 1:41 pm : link
I don't get it. That's obviously not Kiki. Some random female tennis player took shots at Melo?
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12351157 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I don't get it. That's obviously not Kiki. Some random female tennis player took shots at Melo?


His niece
RE: Knicks  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12351150 DanMetroMan said:
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Scouts previously reportedly liked Withey


He was the guy I wanted over THjr I remember when we were discussing the 2013 draft.
he could technically name  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 1:41 pm : link
his daughter Kiki Jr. lol
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AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 1:42 pm : link
In comment 12351156 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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"I just feel that Carmelo, he is a bit soft," Vandeweghe said, after her second-round, 7-6 (5), 6-4 victory over Karolina Pliskova. "And now this is just my own personal opinion. I think he is soft. I don't think he has a killer instinct in his eyes, at least this last year.

"And I also think he needs people around him that have that killer instinct, because then that brings it out of you," Vandeweghe said. "And with him taking such a high salary, I think that kind of handcuffs the Knicks in being able to get those types of players that are getting big contracts. There's no way around that."



I'm probably embarrassing myself here, but who the fuck is Vandeweghe?


Just googled her, didn't know she was related to Kiki. Interesting. Still don't give a fuck what she thinks about basketball.
you finally found someone  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 1:43 pm : link
worse than Schmeelk to quote here. Congrats!
Who gives a rats ass what someones niece thinks?  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 1:43 pm : link
Are we that desperate for a Knicks BBI sound byte we're going there? You're better than that.
I need to hear about Melo's killer instinct from someone who probably  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 1:43 pm : link
shits her pants when Serena Williams walks by?
I actually like  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 1:44 pm : link
Dan's variety in sources. Keep it up duder.
Where are all these comments going  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:44 pm : link
about trashing Melo? Ok, we have established he is not LeBron. That debate has been over for years. What do you want us to do, get Paul Milsap instead because he has a "fire in his eyes". Guess what? Hes going to make $20 million a year now too? ANY player that can lead a team passed the first round gets max money nowadays, I don't see why Melo is any more scrutinized for taking it than Joe Johnson and Deron Williams.
I actually prefer that quote over any Schmeelk quote  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 1:47 pm : link
That guy is desperately trying to become some sort of voice for NY sports. It's just not going to happen.
Matthews  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:47 pm : link
Has met with Toronto and Dallas
Nice pucker job Ash...  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 1:47 pm : link
does it come with tongue?
I was really hoping to get..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 1:48 pm : link
Kiki Vandeweghe's neices opinion on Melo. Would it be possible to find out what Chris Dudley's nephew thinks about him??
I think Dan provided the quote  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 1:48 pm : link
for entertainment. Interestingly, the response to the quote has been even better.

RE: Nice pucker job Ash...  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 1:48 pm : link
In comment 12351174 Torrag said:
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does it come with tongue?


Good one Torrag... You done being a miserable little shit?
I need a quote from Ja  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 1:48 pm : link
.
Guys  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:49 pm : link
It was funny to me because it was so random. Nothing more
I dont think people are actually annoyed...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 1:50 pm : link
by Dan's post are they? I assumed it was basically a joke and its getting joke responses.
nets talking to thomas robinson  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 1:50 pm : link
nice grantland article on him
epic disappointment so far-- he did play well with the sixers at the end of last year. falls into the "cheap upside" category.
I know only first day into free agency  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 1:51 pm : link
But anyone getting concerned Knicks are going to get nothing but role players?

Aldridge seems like a lock to Spurs

Jordan seems like a lock to Dallas or stay with Clippers...

Monroe who once seemed like a lock doesnt seem like a lock anymore...

RE: I need a quote from Ja  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 1:51 pm : link
In comment 12351184 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Whatever happened to Ashanti?
We should just open up our arms  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:52 pm : link
to the "failed Kansas products" crowd. Maybe save a spot for Embiid in a few years? Too soon?
RE: RE: I had to look up who Adam Levine is  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12351138 Ash_3 said:
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In comment 12351136 Greg from LI said:


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Somehow I think the lead singer of Maroon fucking 5 isn't going to be a major pull for an NBA star. Just my gut feeling.



Of course you had to.


Why would I know what the name of the lead singer of Maroon 5 is? If I threw Mark Sandman's name out at you, would it mean anything? Unlikely, but to me he's a giant. Different things are relevent to different people.
Im not really feeling any different...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 1:53 pm : link
the only guy who has signed that i wanted and thought we had a tiny chance at was Green. Just cause Jordan has met with DAL twice doesnt mean he is a lock to go there. Not sure why people are feeling worse about Monroe, what has happened. THere was no way the knicks were signing him last night even if he wanted to, we would have waited until after we talked to at least Jordan.
RE: I know only first day into free agency  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12351194 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
But anyone getting concerned Knicks are going to get nothing but role players?

Aldridge seems like a lock to Spurs

Jordan seems like a lock to Dallas or stay with Clippers...

Monroe who once seemed like a lock doesnt seem like a lock anymore...


I think Knicks nab Monroe, which is more than enough for me. I just hope we don't pay Afflalo 12 a year.
Withey wouldn't be bad as a bench big  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 1:54 pm : link
You guys wanted a rim protector, well, there he is.
It was a humorous post that earned satiric responses  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 1:54 pm : link
Knicks stress has you guys going all sensitive...going back to the hockey thread where guys have their sacks on tight as a drum.
RE: RE: RE: I had to look up who Adam Levine is  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12351203 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12351138 Ash_3 said:


Quote:


In comment 12351136 Greg from LI said:


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Why would I know what the name of the lead singer of Maroon 5 is? If I threw Mark Sandman's name out at you, would it mean anything? Unlikely, but to me he's a giant. Different things are relevent to different people.


Yeah, gonna go on the assumption the LMA probably is much more aware of who Adam Levine is over Mark Sandman...
RE: RE: RE: I had to look up who Adam Levine is  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12351203 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12351138 Ash_3 said:


Quote:


In comment 12351136 Greg from LI said:


Quote:


Somehow I think the lead singer of Maroon fucking 5 isn't going to be a major pull for an NBA star. Just my gut feeling.



Of course you had to.



Why would I know what the name of the lead singer of Maroon 5 is? If I threw Mark Sandman's name out at you, would it mean anything? Unlikely, but to me he's a giant. Different things are relevent to different people.


You were getting ribbed (gently) for not knowing Adam Levine, who, most people 40 or younger know, whereas Mark Sandman would remain irrelevant for most people whatever their age group. This, of course, isn't a statement on their relative quality.
RE: It was a humorous post that earned satiric responses  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12351209 Torrag said:
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Knicks stress has you guys going all sensitive...going back to the hockey thread where guys have their sacks on tight as a drum.


Based on the fact that none of your comments came with lightheartedness I don't think we are the ones that are sensitive...
which is the surest possible proof that there is no god  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 1:57 pm : link
Because Mark Sandman made hauntingly beautiful music, and Maroon 5......does not. Plus, he died on stage, which just isn't fair.

And while I agree that LMA is more likely to know who Adam Levine is, I doubt he gives two shits about the guy.
Pelicans  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 1:58 pm : link
Keep Ajinca
RE: It was a humorous post that earned satiric responses  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 1:58 pm : link
In comment 12351209 Torrag said:
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Knicks stress has you guys going all sensitive...going back to the hockey thread where guys have their sacks on tight as a drum.


Sorry but that sounds painful
RE: I need a quote from Ja  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12351184 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Oh! My God, this is terrible. Could somebody please find Ja Rule? Get hold of this motherfucker, so I can make sense of all this. Where is Ja? Help me Ja Rule!
RE: Pelicans  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12351222 DanMetroMan said:
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Keep Ajinca


Ajinca  
Old Dirty Beckham : 7/1/2015 2:01 pm : link
is a talented offensive player. Could start for many NBA teams.
Jah will provide! Everthing irie!  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 2:03 pm : link
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Ajinca  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 2:04 pm : link
4 years 20... Gotta figure that's about where OQuinn is right?
RE: Ajinca  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:05 pm : link
In comment 12351234 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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is a talented offensive player. Could start for many NBA teams.


Don't know how Im gonna cope  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:06 pm : link
with Ajinca not dawning the #12 in orange and blue..
Adam Levine  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/1/2015 2:06 pm : link
is a superstar, popularity-wise. I can't believe you don't know who he is-- if for no other reason than the sheer number of promos for The Voice that occur during ever Sunday Night Football broadcast.
RE: Ajinca  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:07 pm : link
In comment 12351242 DanMetroMan said:
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4 years 20... Gotta figure that's about where OQuinn is right?


Yeah i'd hope so. Both played about the same amount, O'quinn is a bit younger but only by a few years.
RE: Adam Levine  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:07 pm : link
In comment 12351253 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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is a superstar, popularity-wise. I can't believe you don't know who he is-- if for no other reason than the sheer number of promos for The Voice that occur during ever Sunday Night Football broadcast.


Or every acne medication commercial ever made.
I pay zero attention to any promos for The Voice  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2015 2:09 pm : link
Or acne medication, since even as a teenager I was blessed with beautifully clear skin
How'd a Knicks thread turn into a thread about Maroon 5 and Adam  
Anakim : 7/1/2015 2:11 pm : link
Levine?
Wow  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 2:12 pm : link
Jeff Zilgitt reporting the Knicks were going to offer Carroll the same deal as Toronto. If true I'm worried about Phil Jackson
RE: How'd a Knicks thread turn into a thread about Maroon 5 and Adam  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 2:13 pm : link
In comment 12351280 Anakim said:
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Levine?


Because things aren't "goink" too well for Phil thus far.
RE: How'd a Knicks thread turn into a thread about Maroon 5 and Adam  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 2:13 pm : link
In comment 12351280 Anakim said:
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Levine?


The same way a black church burning thread turned into a referendum on Hillary Clinton's ability to tell the truth...

THAT'S BBI!!!!!
RE: Wow  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12351281 DanMetroMan said:
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Jeff Zilgitt reporting the Knicks were going to offer Carroll the same deal as Toronto. If true I'm worried about Phil Jackson


How can you even verify this? (Not you in particular Dan)

I mean I just hate counterfactual reporting...
RE: Wow  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12351281 DanMetroMan said:
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Jeff Zilgitt reporting the Knicks were going to offer Carroll the same deal as Toronto. If true I'm worried about Phil Jackson


I highly doubt that, probably Carrol's agent telling him that
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 2:15 pm : link
he Toronto Raptors are reportedly interested in signing free-agent swingman Wesley Matthews. This is the case despite the fact that they just came to terms on a four-year, $60 million deal with DeMarre Carroll and already have DeMar DeRozan and Terrence Ross on the
Never heard of him  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 2:15 pm : link
or a Maroon 5. If they have good players and all 5 play hoops and can play for the Knicks then I'm all in. If not then I have no use for any of them
RE: Wow  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 2:15 pm : link
In comment 12351281 DanMetroMan said:
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Jeff Zilgitt reporting the Knicks were going to offer Carroll the same deal as Toronto. If true I'm worried about Phil Jackson


Not sure that I would believe that. The most popular narrative going around is that the Knicks are going to spend wildly because nobody wants to go there. The problem is I haven't seen any information coming from credible sources.
Here is the tweet  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 2:16 pm : link
@JeffZillgitt: The Knicks, I'm told, were ready to offer DeMarre Carroll same/similar deal that Toronto did, but Carroll jumped at Raptors' outlook.
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 2:18 pm : link
@WojYahooNBA: Jimmy Butler, Chicago Bulls finalizing a five-year, $95M maximum contract with player option after four years, league sources tell Yahoo.
RE: Here is the tweet  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 2:18 pm : link
In comment 12351305 DanMetroMan said:
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@JeffZillgitt: The Knicks, I'm told, were ready to offer DeMarre Carroll same/similar deal that Toronto did, but Carroll jumped at Raptors' outlook.


My brilliant uncle had a word for this... BULLSHIT.
I'm pretty convinced that  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 2:18 pm : link
a lot of reporters just make shit up these days.
Yup he jumped at Toronto  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 2:20 pm : link
because they have better weather than NYC.
DC  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 2:20 pm : link
thing doesn't make sense. This is the first we've heard about the Knicks having substantial interest in him right?
Really this is news?  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:20 pm : link
Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 3m3 minutes ago
Dwyane Wade and Heat are talking and "some progress" being made on a new deal but it's not there yet
RE: Yup he jumped at Toronto  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12351318 Carl in CT said:
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because they have better weather than NYC.


hahaha Carl every comment you write is pure gold lol
Toronto, even post Carroll signing....  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 2:22 pm : link
Is on the same tier they have been. Maybe marginally better, but not to a degree that is noteworthy. Upward mobility is going to be very tough for them for the foreseeable future unless that Knick pick turns into a kickass asset that they also then capitalize on. I'm not a big Dwayne Casey fan, I think hey could get marginally better under different leadership.
RE: DC  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 2:22 pm : link
In comment 12351320 kash94 said:
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thing doesn't make sense. This is the first we've heard about the Knicks having substantial interest in him right?


Yes.
44ab  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 2:22 pm : link
go back to your Nets board if you can find one
How is Toronto  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:23 pm : link
going to afford Matthews and Carroll? who are they getting rid of?
I'd probably rather live in Toronto  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 2:23 pm : link
than NYC tbh.
RE: 44ab  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:23 pm : link
In comment 12351334 Carl in CT said:
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go back to your Nets board if you can find one


Gets me every time.
RE: Toronto, even post Carroll signing....  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12351332 MarshallOnMontana said:
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unless that Knick pick turns into a kickass asset

Denver has swap rights to that pick. Although it's not impossible both NY and Denver end up in the high lottery.
Wasn't there a report this morning  
aimrocky : 7/1/2015 2:24 pm : link
that the Knicks would be pitching a winning roster by asking players to take less money to fit within this season's cap? Now there are reports that we want to spend wildly? Me thinks that the media doesn't know their ass from their elbow.
...  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 2:24 pm : link
Herring believes it's true @HerringWSJ: Regarding the last RT from @JeffZillgitt, I'd heard similar stuff in terms of NYs interest on DeMarre. They wanted to make a serious offer.
RE: I'd probably rather live in Toronto  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12351338 Ash_3 said:
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than NYC tbh.


*I got this one Carl*

Not shocking coming from a NETS fan! Ha!
RE: Wasn't there a report this morning  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12351347 aimrocky said:
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that the Knicks would be pitching a winning roster by asking players to take less money to fit within this season's cap? Now there are reports that we want to spend wildly? Me thinks that the media doesn't know their ass from their elbow.


I mean, it's Windhorst, so take it with a few trucks of rock salt.
Don't think "serious offer"  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:26 pm : link
directly translates to $60 million...
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:26 pm : link
In comment 12351348 DanMetroMan said:
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Herring believes it's true @HerringWSJ: Regarding the last RT from @JeffZillgitt, I'd heard similar stuff in terms of NYs interest on DeMarre. They wanted to make a serious offer.


herring also said Knicks were all in on Winslow...
Enzo  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 2:28 pm : link
Didn't realize that. I don't think the Nuggets will be exercising that option though unless something wacky happens on lottery night, they're clearly going to be worse than the Knicks in 2016 in my view.
I consider Chris Herring a good knicks source  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 2:29 pm : link
But he's been wrong before. It could be that Carroll was on the fallback option list. It's clear their first priority is Monroe. If they wanted Carroll, they would have seen him in a hurry like Monroe was the very first stop.
Wonder what this means for Love  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:29 pm : link
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
ESPN sources tell @WindhorstESPN & I that Cavs and Tristan Thompson are nearing agreement on deal that will pay the RFA in excess of $80 mil

I can't take Herring seriously  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 2:29 pm : link
when he "talks" like a teenager.
RE: How is Toronto  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 2:30 pm : link
In comment 12351336 nygiants16 said:
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going to afford Matthews and Carroll? who are they getting rid of?


Yea I think they must have a deal in place to shed some salary if they want to get Matthews. Maybe sign and trade?
If the Cavs are ready to move from  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:31 pm : link
Love, that means they will more than likely utilize that Haywood expiring which means...theres a shot to get Calderon off the books?
RE: I can't take Herring seriously  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12351372 Enzo said:
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when he "talks" like a teenager.


I mean to be fair hes like 26 right?
And there is my answer  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:31 pm : link
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 34s35 seconds ago
Marc Stein retweeted The Players' Tribune
Love AND Thompson staying in Cleveland

Wrote an article in player's tribune
RE: RE: How is Toronto  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12351377 kash94 said:
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In comment 12351336 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


going to afford Matthews and Carroll? who are they getting rid of?



Yea I think they must have a deal in place to shed some salary if they want to get Matthews. Maybe sign and trade?


They've been trying to get rid of Derozan for a while now. Maybe someone is drawing interest? Lakers would be a perfect spot for him as he went to USC.
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:34 pm : link
Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN 17s18 seconds ago
Kevin Love will accept a five-year, $110 million contract extension with the Cavs according to sources

Damn that is a lot of money locked up between Thompson and Love...

cavs are still very focused on love  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 2:34 pm : link
that is priortiy
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:35 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski @howaboutaWoj
Orlando Magic will not match a Tobias Harris Max offer sheet, league sources tell yahoo sports
RE: ..  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 2:36 pm : link
In comment 12351394 nygiants16 said:
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Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN 17s18 seconds ago
Kevin Love will accept a five-year, $110 million contract extension with the Cavs according to sources

Damn that is a lot of money locked up between Thompson and Love...


ha I had literally just got a text LOVE!!!!!!!!! from my boy when I texted him "whats up in cavs land"
RE: cavs are still very focused on love  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:36 pm : link
In comment 12351395 hitdog42 said:
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that is priortiy


He is resigning
It's no secret that Toronto wants to get rid of DeRozan  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 2:36 pm : link
Not sure who will bite for him. He's really young, really good defender. Can pass, can rebound, can score. But he is an absolute chuck. Somebody like the Grizzlies could use him, but cap wise I don't know if it's a fit.
That's such an overpay for Thompson  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 2:36 pm : link
Even accounting for the new world salary wise, and I say that as someone who saw virtually every minute he played this year. But it was inevitable when he turned down 13 mil last year that he was going to get paid well north of that. This was going to get done because Lebron demanded it get done. As long as Dan Gilbert is fine paying the tax though, then you do what you can to keep this team together and capitalize on this 2-3 year window where you know you have prime Lebron. Having Thompson as your first big off the bench is a pretty sweet spot to be in
Cavs are gonna be paying luxury tax from all holes.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 2:36 pm : link
.
RE: ..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:37 pm : link
In comment 12351402 nygiants16 said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski @howaboutaWoj
Orlando Magic will not match a Tobias Harris Max offer sheet, league sources tell yahoo sports


nvm fake
Cavs would be in such a better position  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 2:38 pm : link
If they had Wiggins instead of Love. For that reason alone I kind of want LBJ to not win a championship. You're the best player on planet Earth, but you're an absolute dog shit GM.
lol "@howboutawoj"  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 2:39 pm : link
.
RE: Cavs would be in such a better position  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:42 pm : link
In comment 12351416 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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If they had Wiggins instead of Love. For that reason alone I kind of want LBJ to not win a championship. You're the best player on planet Earth, but you're an absolute dog shit GM.


MoM please dont respond to this, I think we've went back and forth too much on this already.
legit source  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:42 pm : link
gary washburn @GwashburnGlobe
Have been told the #Magic will not match a max offer to Tobias Harris, so the market value has been set.
RE: legit source  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12351432 nygiants16 said:
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gary washburn @GwashburnGlobe
Have been told the #Magic will not match a max offer to Tobias Harris, so the market value has been set.


The NBAPA is going to be in fits about this if Harris ends up not getting a max offer because of it.
PLease please be for Calderon  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:45 pm : link
Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN 36s36 seconds ago
Cavs have numerous options to move Brendan Haywood's $10.5M nonguaranteed contract now on the table, sources said. Dan Gilbert spending $
Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 2:46 pm : link
Maybe as a fallback if Monroe doesn't happen?
RE: Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
Deej : 7/1/2015 2:47 pm : link
In comment 12351450 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Maybe as a fallback if Monroe doesn't happen?


Yes, not a great fit with Melo and Porz but what is his max? 60/4? At these prices, that's a great deal.
RE: Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 2:47 pm : link
In comment 12351450 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Maybe as a fallback if Monroe doesn't happen?


As a max player? Yikes
RE: Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12351450 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Maybe as a fallback if Monroe doesn't happen?


In another world, yes. In this world where we have Melo, no.

He doesn't offer what we need, other than talent.
RE: Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12351450 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Maybe as a fallback if Monroe doesn't happen?


I like him in a vacuum but I don't think he makes sense considering the rest of the roster, especially Melo
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:49 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Phoenix has agreed to a five-year, $70 million extension with guard Brandon Knight, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
RE: Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12351450 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Maybe as a fallback if Monroe doesn't happen?

yes. Even if he's a poor fit he's easily tradeable at his max.
RE: ..  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12351467 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Phoenix has agreed to a five-year, $70 million extension with guard Brandon Knight, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.


Very good deal IMO.
RE: RE: Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12351470 Enzo said:
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In comment 12351450 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


Maybe as a fallback if Monroe doesn't happen?


yes. Even if he's a poor fit he's easily tradeable at his max.


Interesting way to look at it, but the poor fit could take a toll on his stats which would affect his trade value.
RE: ..  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12351467 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Phoenix has agreed to a five-year, $70 million extension with guard Brandon Knight, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

we gotta hope Jerian Grant is a legit starter. Slim pickings out there for PGs.
RE: RE: RE: Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 2:52 pm : link
In comment 12351477 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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Interesting way to look at it, but the poor fit could take a toll on his stats which would affect his trade value.

worth the risk IMO. Between him and Monroe guys that young are hardly ever available to sign.
Not sure why Knicks twitter  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 2:53 pm : link
is so angry about the team so far. A lot of criticism from bloggers and reporters.

Only one you can make an argument maybe is Matthews and Carroll but they're getting a ton of money and would rather have Monroe at 15 a year than one of those 2 at 15 per.

Guys like LMA and Gasol were never coming here and what can you do about Green wanting to resign in SA.
Calderon would be  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 2:55 pm : link
a great fit for the Cavs, but come on, they have to be able to do better than him for the Haywood contract.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Anybody okay with Tobias Harris as an option for NY?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12351483 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 12351477 AnotherGiantsFan said:


Quote:


Interesting way to look at it, but the poor fit could take a toll on his stats which would affect his trade value.


worth the risk IMO. Between him and Monroe guys that young are hardly ever available to sign.


I think Monroe is just in a whole other class than Tobias Harris to be honest. I like Harris, but I think Monroe could be special. So I'm not a fan of lumping those two together. But it's definitely a well calculated risk.

As far as Jerian Grant, I'm basically just force feeding myself that he's our starting PG for the next several years. I got to watching some of the DraftExpress scouting videos of him since I watched practically no college ball this year, and I'm impressed. Great size for a PG. Reminds me of Jrue Holliday, who's a great PG when healthy.
Love made the right call  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 2:55 pm : link
They get Thompson back in the fold and sign JR Smith back, then they're bringing back a team that went 38-3 in the final 41 healthy games they played together. And they're considered front runners of sorts for Mo Williams unless someone surprises him with an offer he can't refuse (doubtful), he'd he a great pickup coming off the bench. If they stay healthy, which has always been a big if for Lebrons Miami and Cav teams of late, this is the best cast Lebron has ever had. Could be the best team he has ever played on, even though he's only about 90% of his peak self at present time
Harris piece  
Deej : 7/1/2015 2:56 pm : link
Orlando Sentinal's Bianchi writing that Harris is a must-resign because he's a potential superstar.

If we could sign Monroe and Harris to matching 60/4 deals (stretch Calderon?) we would win the day. Those are two guys who are going to get under market deals because of the max rule. In the NBA you need value, and you get that with max guys and bargain bin guys.
I'm no fan of Love  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 2:56 pm : link
but the Cavs had no choice but to bring him back, can't let him walk for nothing when you traded Wiggins for him and you have no way of replacing him if he walks
RE: Not sure why Knicks twitter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 2:58 pm : link
In comment 12351490 kash94 said:
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is so angry about the team so far. A lot of criticism from bloggers and reporters.


That's generally the case for Knicks fans.

We're maybe 8 hours away from people starting to rip Phil Jackson yet again for somehow not mind controlling players to sign here.
i wouldnt be upset..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 2:59 pm : link
if we signed Harris/Monroe but man that Front line would be an absolute disaster defensively. Your best defender would be Melo. But as you said those are very good deals for those two players in comparison to some of these deals. At worst you can look to trade one or use Harris as a 3/4 off the bench so that you can still pair Melo/Monroe with a defensive big. Although that would cut into KP's minutes.
I'm in favor of bargain shopping or  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 2:59 pm : link
renting out the space instead of making role players rich. Always have been.
RE: RE: Not sure why Knicks twitter  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 2:59 pm : link
In comment 12351508 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12351490 kash94 said:


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is so angry about the team so far. A lot of criticism from bloggers and reporters.




That's generally the case for Knicks fans.

We're maybe 8 hours away from people starting to rip Phil Jackson yet again for somehow not mind controlling players to sign here.


Same fans who are ripping Phil for not doing anything yet are the same ones who would be ripping him for giving Carroll 15 million
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 3:00 pm : link
Jerian Grant ‏@JerianGrant 53s54 seconds ago
Is this free agency or Oprah? You get a max, you get a max, you get a max, you get 50mil, you get 70mil! Yessir get paid fellas!
RE: ..  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12351523 nygiants16 said:
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Jerian Grant ‏@JerianGrant 53s54 seconds ago
Is this free agency or Oprah? You get a max, you get a max, you get a max, you get 50mil, you get 70mil! Yessir get paid fellas!


I like Grant even more now.
That's a hilarious tweet by Grant  
David in LA : 7/1/2015 3:02 pm : link
.
RE: Harris piece  
Deej : 7/1/2015 3:03 pm : link
In comment 12351501 Deej said:
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Orlando Sentinal's Bianchi writing that Harris is a must-resign because he's a potential superstar.

If we could sign Monroe and Harris to matching 60/4 deals (stretch Calderon?) we would win the day. Those are two guys who are going to get under market deals because of the max rule. In the NBA you need value, and you get that with max guys and bargain bin guys.


sorry, link
Link - ( New Window )
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 3:06 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 55s56 seconds ago
Sources: Spurs made a powerful presentation to Aldridge by keeping it simple today. They did nothing to change belief they're frontrunners.
im not freaking out or anything...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:08 pm : link
but it would be nice to hear one Knick rumor. Just give us something to talk about, lol.
Knicks fans on the first day of free agency  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 3:10 pm : link
Robin Lopez  
Pep22 : 7/1/2015 3:10 pm : link
and Tobias Harris would salvage the day.

Uggh - I just want enough to get to .500, be a playoff team and no longer be an embarrassing franchise. Low expectations.
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 3:10 pm : link
Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Amir Johnson has received interest from New York, Boston, Dallas, Toronto, Indiana, Lakers and San Antonio, source told ESPN.

Would be a good fit next to Monroe at PF
I don't understand why everyone feels like Monroe  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 3:12 pm : link
Is slipping away. He very well could be, but there are no reports that is indeed the case. I still think we get him.
that say that is indeed the case*  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 3:13 pm : link
.
...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:14 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 25s25 seconds ago
The #Knicks have expressed interest in K.J. McDaniels, a restricted FA, league sources say. Houston would have the chance to match any offer
well this is surprising...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:14 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 26s26 seconds ago
Tyson Chandler has agreed to a deal with the Suns, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
RE: I don't understand why everyone feels like Monroe  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 3:14 pm : link
In comment 12351559 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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Is slipping away. He very well could be, but there are no reports that is indeed the case. I still think we get him.


Yea I think just Knicks' fans cynicism (which is completely fair). None of these guys the Knicks lot were as strongly rumored as Monroe to the Knicks so it's a little different.

Obviously lots can happen but it's literally been half a day. He needs to at least meet with all of the teams.
Lopez and Harris  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
I would rather save the space for next year, play young guys, and stink like shit rather than be roped into long term deals.
Wonder what that means for Jordan..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
there was talk that if he went to DAL then LAC were going to try to do a S&T to get Chandler.
Good signing for them need a big man  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 52s52 seconds ago
Tyson Chandler has agreed to a deal with the Suns, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
RE: well this is surprising...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12351566 Italianju said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 26s26 seconds ago
Tyson Chandler has agreed to a deal with the Suns, league source tells Yahoo Sports.


Kinda figured the Mavs would do more to keep him, as badly as they wanted him back. So are they close to DeAndre Jordan?
RE: well this is surprising...  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12351566 Italianju said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 26s26 seconds ago
Tyson Chandler has agreed to a deal with the Suns, league source tells Yahoo Sports.


Big blow to LAC if true and they lose DJ
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 39s40 seconds ago
The Suns are bringing Tyson Chandler into the meeting with LaMarcus Aldridge as part of their pitch, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Maybe in a world with no cap would this...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:16 pm : link
be possible..

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 48s48 seconds ago
The Suns are bringing Tyson Chandler into the meeting with LaMarcus Aldridge as part of their pitch, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Phoenix  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 3:16 pm : link
Will need to move Bleadsoe.
Im not sure what this means for Jordan...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:17 pm : link
if he was going to DAL then LAC would have wanted to get Chandler. If he is going back to the clippers you would think DAL would try to keep chandler.
RE: ..  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 3:17 pm : link
In comment 12351574 nygiants16 said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 39s40 seconds ago
The Suns are bringing Tyson Chandler into the meeting with LaMarcus Aldridge as part of their pitch, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.


They'd have to trade Bledsoe and dump salary to make that work.
yeah looking at their...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:18 pm : link
roster they could probably easily work out a S&T for Aldridge (or Chandler). They have a bunch of solid pieces like Bledsoe, Morris's, Len,
Like for our  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 3:18 pm : link
Trade exceptions and Calderon
Wow  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 3:18 pm : link
Marc J. SpearsVerified account
‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Yahoo Sources: Draymond Green and the Warriors have broken off contract talks.

Maybe the warriors work out a sign and trade with Green so he can go to the team he wants
Nothing to see on Draymond in my opinion...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:19 pm : link
GSW will just wait until he signs an offer sheet and match it.
RE: Im not sure what this means for Jordan...  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 3:19 pm : link
In comment 12351579 Italianju said:
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if he was going to DAL then LAC would have wanted to get Chandler. If he is going back to the clippers you would think DAL would try to keep chandler.


Unless he didnt want to go to the Clippers? which would be surprising since he is close with CP3
On one hand we are patting ourselves on the back  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:20 pm : link
For the KP pick and not catering to Melo, and on the other hand we are saying no to Harris because he wouldn't "fit with Melo". Well which is it? It can't be both ways. You either go for fit and win right away or you get the best talent out there. I'm not defending Harris, I'm just saying there should be a clear direction we are heading down: either win now or best potential talent. No more half assing it. That's what we've been doing for 20 fucking years.
...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:20 pm : link
ach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 37s37 seconds ago
Suns fitting Chandler into cap room means they will have to renounce Brandan Wright, who becomes a major Dallas fall-back option.

RE: Wow  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12351585 nygiants16 said:
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Marc J. SpearsVerified account
‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Yahoo Sources: Draymond Green and the Warriors have broken off contract talks.

Maybe the warriors work out a sign and trade with Green so he can go to the team he wants


Ultimately doesn't mean anything. He's gonna stay a warrior whether he wants it or not.
It does seem though  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 3:23 pm : link
Dallas feels they are signing Jordan if they are letting Chandler go...Unless he doesnt want to wait?
RE: On one hand we are patting ourselves on the back  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 3:23 pm : link
In comment 12351589 giantsfan44ab said:
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For the KP pick and not catering to Melo, and on the other hand we are saying no to Harris because he wouldn't "fit with Melo". Well which is it? It can't be both ways. You either go for fit and win right away or you get the best talent out there. I'm not defending Harris, I'm just saying there should be a clear direction we are heading down: either win now or best potential talent. No more half assing it. That's what we've been doing for 20 fucking years.


Personally... I Just don't think Harris is that good and I don't wanna pay him like he is.
not bad...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:24 pm : link
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 21s22 seconds ago
ESPN sources say Tyson Chandler has agreed to a four-year deal with the Phoenix suns worth $52 million
watch Chandler  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 3:24 pm : link
never miss a single game thanks to the Suns medical staff.
To give Harris a Max, you have to really think he's gonna be even  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 3:25 pm : link
better at 25 than he is at 22.
I guess PHX didnt care for how...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:26 pm : link
Len has progressed.
RE: not bad...  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12351604 Italianju said:
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 21s22 seconds ago
ESPN sources say Tyson Chandler has agreed to a four-year deal with the Phoenix suns worth $52 million

that's almost exactly what he got from us 4 years ago. Rising cap or no, this guy is 33 before next season. I'm skeptical on this for the Suns.
If they can keep Grant Hill and Steve Nash looking ageless  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:29 pm : link
Chandler may be in great hands.
they are paying chandler  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 3:30 pm : link
for vet leadership as much as performance- they are a young team.
Hmmm...  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 3:30 pm : link
I know he's everyone's favorite whipping boy, but...

Quote:
Alex KennedyVerified account
‏@AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy retweeted Alex Kennedy
Sources say that the New York Knicks have reached out to Jeremy Lin. This lines up with my report from Sunday.
RE: To give Harris a Max, you have to really think he's gonna be even  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:31 pm : link
In comment 12351607 BeerFridge said:
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better at 25 than he is at 22.


Is that a major gamble? How many players don't make improvements during that age range? I feel 24 is usually the year the "prime" starts for most players. He's improved the 3 pointer every single year. He strong and athletic enough to become at least a mediocre defender.

Again, not arguing on Harris, just about the principle. If there is feeling that he can be a 20 and 7 stretch 4 but they don't wanna do it cuz of Melo, it's counter productive.

And the Chandler deal is essentially 3 years. $12 million will be a decent expiring contract 3 years from now.
so much for him...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:31 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 20s20 seconds ago
Free agent forward Amir Johnson has agreed to a deal with the Boston Celtics, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
RE: they are paying chandler  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 3:32 pm : link
In comment 12351628 hitdog42 said:
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for vet leadership as much as performance- they are a young team.

except he's not a leader.
So everyone he has met with...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:34 pm : link
Jared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling 2m2 minutes ago
Source close to LaMarcus Aldridge's situation said he will not be returning to Portland. Spurs, Lakers, Mavs and Rockets are front-runners.

RE: RE: To give Harris a Max, you have to really think he's gonna be even  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12351632 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 12351607 BeerFridge said:


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better at 25 than he is at 22.



Is that a major gamble? How many players don't make improvements during that age range? I feel 24 is usually the year the "prime" starts for most players. He's improved the 3 pointer every single year. He strong and athletic enough to become at least a mediocre defender.

Again, not arguing on Harris, just about the principle. If there is feeling that he can be a 20 and 7 stretch 4 but they don't wanna do it cuz of Melo, it's counter productive.

And the Chandler deal is essentially 3 years. $12 million will be a decent expiring contract 3 years from now.


Well, you don't usually gamble when handing out max contracts. It's reasonable to expect he gets better. It may just not be reasonable to pay him like he already is better.
Amir Johnson signed  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:34 pm : link
2 years $24 million... I'd sit back and wait for better deals to come.
RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12351634 Enzo said:
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In comment 12351628 hitdog42 said:


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for vet leadership as much as performance- they are a young team.


except he's not a leader.


that is just not a factual statement-
So it was irrational  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:35 pm : link
for the clippers to give Jordan 4 years $40 million when he was averaging 6 and 6? $15 million in 2 years is worth less than $10 million 3 years ago
wow 12 per for Amir?  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:36 pm : link
...
To hear Alan Hahn tell it, Jeremy Lin's parents had a hand  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:36 pm : link
in him leaving NY the first time.

Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn Jun 29
Lin could be a good Triangle fit, but does he want to be in New York? Last time around, his family didn't want it.

Not sure why he'd come back now.
Kyle  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 3:37 pm : link
Singler got 5 years $25 mil from OKC
,  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 3:37 pm : link
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 8m8 minutes ago Florida, USA
Alex Kennedy retweeted Alex Kennedy
Sources say that the New York Knicks have reached out to Jeremy Lin. This lines up with my report from Sunday.
RE: ,  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 3:38 pm : link
In comment 12351652 DanMetroMan said:
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Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 8m8 minutes ago Florida, USA
Alex Kennedy retweeted Alex Kennedy
Sources say that the New York Knicks have reached out to Jeremy Lin. This lines up with my report from Sunday.


Holy 5 minutes ago, Batman!
If Amir is worth 12  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:38 pm : link
And Caroll is worth $15, there's not much of an argument for arguing Harris is worth $15.
RE: So it was irrational  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12351645 giantsfan44ab said:
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for the clippers to give Jordan 4 years $40 million when he was averaging 6 and 6? $15 million in 2 years is worth less than $10 million 3 years ago


Look, didn't say irrational. Just not a fan of giving him the Max. Gotta make sure Monroe isn't coming before you look at that. But hey, Amir for 12 makes 15 for Harris a lot less crazy.
RE: Kyle  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12351650 EricNY33 said:
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Singler got 5 years $25 mil from OKC


What is life? I'm getting sick from these contracts. Why didn't I practice basketball more...
max deals  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 3:39 pm : link
are better values then the next tier.
Lin  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 3:39 pm : link
has 7 teams interested reportedly so I doubt he's a Knick if thats the case.
Oh no doubt Monroe over Harris  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:40 pm : link
for me. Don't get me wrong on that. But keeping options open at this point since a lot of this movement today is scaring me.
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 3:40 pm : link
Jerebko is back as well. 2-year, $10mil deal.
Lin doesn't deserve  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:41 pm : link
to take 1 minute away from Galloway or Grant. Keep along. Bring back tourre Murray if we desperately need a 3rd stringer.
Yeah, these contracts are annoying me, too.  
manh george : 7/1/2015 3:41 pm : link
I need to be much taller and much younger. Maybe if I took 3/4 of my age and added it to my height...
RE: .  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12351662 DanMetroMan said:
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Jerebko is back as well. 2-year, $10mil deal.


1st solid value signing of the day.
RE: RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12351640 hitdog42 said:
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that is just not a factual statement-

you may want to re-evaluate your definition of leadership. Or your ability to recognize it.
I think it's more  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 3:42 pm : link
that there's no love lost between Lin and Melo as to why he won't be back in NY.
How much total contractual revenue do you  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:43 pm : link
Guys think will be agreed to by the end of the day today? Over or under $1 billion?
RE: RE: RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 3:44 pm : link
In comment 12351668 Enzo said:
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In comment 12351640 hitdog42 said:


Quote:


that is just not a factual statement-


you may want to re-evaluate your definition of leadership. Or your ability to recognize it.


or you could take off your knicks glasses... and realize that is the reason teams are happy to have him... the fact that his last year with the knicks didn't go well is actually a sign of leadership... shows his disgust with the clown show he was playing with.
Love, Thompson, Kawhi, butler, knight  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:45 pm : link
Davis, and Lillard come out to around $700 million. Add in guys like Caroll and Chandler, maybe some movement on Milsap.
just under a billion...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:45 pm : link
cause Jordan/Aldridge wont sign until tomorrow.
Forgot about Dragic.  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:46 pm : link
It's easy over a billion, especially if Singler is getting $25 million.
So what if the Knicks get Monroe...  
manh george : 7/1/2015 3:46 pm : link
for 2 years with a second year player option? Is that really "getting" him, or just giving him a placeholder so he can get a bigger deal next year?
Danny  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 3:47 pm : link
Green was excellent value to my eyes as well.
RE: So what if the Knicks get Monroe...  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 3:48 pm : link
In comment 12351682 manh george said:
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for 2 years with a second year player option? Is that really "getting" him, or just giving him a placeholder so he can get a bigger deal next year?


It's a "who cares" situation for me. Knicks don't have their pick next year. We have absolutely not use in being bad next year. None. If Monroe wants to make us better next year and take some pressure off KP, then god bless.
RE: So what if the Knicks get Monroe...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:49 pm : link
In comment 12351682 manh george said:
Quote:
for 2 years with a second year player option? Is that really "getting" him, or just giving him a placeholder so he can get a bigger deal next year?


Well, they'd have the inside track on keeping him, or if not. the cap flexibility to at least put themselves in a Durant meeting.
I really don't mind having Monroe for 2 years.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 3:49 pm : link
In comment 12351674 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 12351668 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 12351640 hitdog42 said:


Quote:


that is just not a factual statement-


you may want to re-evaluate your definition of leadership. Or your ability to recognize it.



or you could take off your knicks glasses... and realize that is the reason teams are happy to have him... the fact that his last year with the knicks didn't go well is actually a sign of leadership... shows his disgust with the clown show he was playing with.


So someone not giving normal effort despite being paid 14 million dollars is leadership?
Plus, we need to build winning basketball  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 3:50 pm : link
and Monroe is probably the best piece we can get to do that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 3:50 pm : link
In comment 12351674 hitdog42 said:
Quote:
In comment 12351668 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 12351640 hitdog42 said:


Quote:


that is just not a factual statement-


you may want to re-evaluate your definition of leadership. Or your ability to recognize it.

or you could take off your knicks glasses... and realize that is the reason teams are happy to have him... the fact that his last year with the knicks didn't go well is actually a sign of leadership... shows his disgust with the clown show he was playing with.

Only you would portray someone dogging it when things get rough as a sign of leadership. Where do you come up with this crap?
Forgot about Middleton for $70 million  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:51 pm : link
Sorry if my posts are in between a few arguments, but I'm just astonished that the amount of money being promised today is more than the value of some countries...
Caught the tale end of the call, don't even know who it aas  
AgentZero : 7/1/2015 3:52 pm : link
But they seemed convinced Monroe to Portland was just about done. Don't kill the messenger sorry for the shitty source, just hopped in my car and heard Russo mentioning it.
RE: Forgot about Middleton for $70 million  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:53 pm : link
In comment 12351698 giantsfan44ab said:
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Sorry if my posts are in between a few arguments, but I'm just astonished that the amount of money being promised today is more than the value of some countries...


It's overdue, frankly. the cap has been really suppressing player movement for years.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 3:53 pm : link
Only you would portray someone dogging it when things get rough as a sign of leadership. Where do you come up with this crap? [/quote]

pointless discussion on a knicks thread--- there is a reason dallas won with him... CP3 wanted him back from his hornets days... and the knicks were relevant when he was healthy and leading their defense...
one year on the knicks doesn't change my view on him as a player for his career.... if you choose to do so... great for you...
Whats kinda funny is that...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:53 pm : link
most of the guys we thought would be knicks targets havent even signed anywhere yet. You have Monroe, Afflalo, Mathews, plus the big names in Jordan/Aldridge. I think the lack of any news is more bothersome, if we were getting a few "knicks still front runners for..." type things, but this new knicks regime is obviously not interested in leaking stuff.
RE: Caught the tale end of the call, don't even know who it aas  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12351702 AgentZero said:
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But they seemed convinced Monroe to Portland was just about done. Don't kill the messenger sorry for the shitty source, just hopped in my car and heard Russo mentioning it.


If you mean Ryan Ruocco, he's been guessing portland since I listened at 12pm. I don't know that he actually knows anything. He's just been saying that Portland is a good fit for him.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 3:55 pm : link
love to be involved here but the Knicks money would be tied up until the Warriors made a decision and odds are they would match leaving the Knicks with nothing.

NBA on ESPN ‏@ESPNNBA 22s23 seconds ago
UPDATE: Restricted free agent Draymond Green & Warriors have broken off contract negotiations. (via @ramonashelburne)
Don't understand this Green contract break off  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:55 pm : link
I can't see him leaving. I'm a fan of his game, but am I the only who thinks he's worth more to what the Warriors do than to any other team in the league? I mean his defense is elite but he's deadly cuz he can hit wide open 3s due to Curry and Klay getting space for him.
Restricted free agency almost never works out when you're  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:56 pm : link
the team trying to poach a player.
no thanks on Green for the Knicks  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 3:56 pm : link
doesn't make sense for a team like the Knicks. He makes sense for the Warriors, but not a rebuilding team like the Knicks.
someone will have to max Draymond  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 3:56 pm : link
if the Knicks lose out on Monroe and Jordan, might not be much else left to wait for
I like it...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:56 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 14s15 seconds ago
#Knicks have planned to meet with FA center Robin Lopez in Los Angeles while in town to meet with LaMarcus Aldridge, league sources say.
I'm glad  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 3:57 pm : link
You do
Unless  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 3:58 pm : link
They get both!
RoLo off the bench? Sure  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 3:58 pm : link
RoLo as a starter? Anybody?
Lopez...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 3:59 pm : link
would fit well with Monroe as we have said for awhile. Moving forward he could fit well with KP as well. The question is how much is he going to get.
Would go with Harris for the Knicks over  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 3:59 pm : link
Green.
I really like Lopez  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 4:00 pm : link
honestly, the Suns should've signed him instead of Chandler.

Either the Mavs or Clips are screwed, I love it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
Semipro Lineman : 7/1/2015 4:01 pm : link
In comment 12351674 hitdog42 said:



or you could take off your knicks glasses... and realize that is the reason teams are happy to have him... the fact that his last year with the knicks didn't go well is actually a sign of leadership... shows his disgust with the clown show he was playing with. [/quote]

That's like saying that Derek Rose showed exceptional leadership by not coming back for either the 2013 or 14 post season as well
We could be screwed at this rate  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:01 pm : link
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I don't know what happened behind the scenes  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 4:04 pm : link
but Chandler played like a lazy bum his last year with the Knicks. His defense was awful. He stepped his game up in Dallas for sure.

I think it's a safe bet that Chandler has some sort of hidden ailment that the media doesn't know about, he was sick so often his last year in NY and that could have something to do with how lazy and anemic he looked on D in NY his final season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 4:05 pm : link
In comment 12351705 hitdog42 said:
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pointless discussion on a knicks thread--- there is a reason dallas won with him... CP3 wanted him back from his hornets days... and the knicks were relevant when he was healthy and leading their defense...
one year on the knicks doesn't change my view on him as a player for his career.... if you choose to do so... great for you...

in other words, you're choosing to overlook those times in his career that disprove your argument? Congrats for exposing yourself as willfully ignorant. I would expect nothing less from the author of "Denver won that game"!
RE: I don't know what happened behind the scenes  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 4:06 pm : link
In comment 12351737 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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but Chandler played like a lazy bum his last year with the Knicks. His defense was awful. He stepped his game up in Dallas for sure.

I think it's a safe bet that Chandler has some sort of hidden ailment that the media doesn't know about, he was sick so often his last year in NY and that could have something to do with how lazy and anemic he looked on D in NY his final season.


Nah... he cryptically spoke all season about how much he disliked playing for Woodson. Threw him under the bus a few times. His moves were calculated. Knew exactly what he was doing.
RE: RE: I don't know what happened behind the scenes  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 4:09 pm : link
In comment 12351739 EricNY33 said:
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Nah... he cryptically spoke all season about how much he disliked playing for Woodson. Threw him under the bus a few times. His moves were calculated. Knew exactly what he was doing.

nah, it's just a big coincidence two of the best years of his career were contract years.
I hope we sign a player so we can argue about that soon  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 4:09 pm : link
instead of figuring out why Chandler sucked and was moved.
RE: I hope we sign a player so we can argue about that soon  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 4:10 pm : link
In comment 12351745 BeerFridge said:
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instead of figuring out why Chandler sucked and was moved.

if enzo didn't stalk me on bball threads we wouldn't have to argue over a comment... "phoenix is signing him partly to add veteran leadership to a young team"-- oh the rage!!!
RE: I hope we sign a player so we can argue about that soon  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:10 pm : link
In comment 12351745 BeerFridge said:
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instead of figuring out why Chandler sucked and was moved.

lol so true. Don't gotta worry about him no more for whatever reason.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: they are paying chandler  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 4:11 pm : link
In comment 12351705 hitdog42 said:
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Only you would portray someone dogging it when things get rough as a sign of leadership. Where do you come up with this crap?


pointless discussion on a knicks thread--- there is a reason dallas won with him... CP3 wanted him back from his hornets days... and the knicks were relevant when he was healthy and leading their defense...
one year on the knicks doesn't change my view on him as a player for his career.... if you choose to do so... great for you... [/quote]

It might not change your view on him, but as a Nets fan you don't have the same prism we do. We saw how he stopped challenging players in the paint. We saw him openly challenge Mike Woodson's defensive principles in the media. We saw him give less and less effort if things weren't going his way. We remember how he got dominated by Roy Hibbert in the playoffs and then blamed everything under the sun for it.

He's an excellent player when he's healthy and everything is going great. When things start going wrong the real Tyson Chandler comes out...
Calling out  
Semipro Lineman : 7/1/2015 4:14 pm : link
Tyson for that fade job he did his last year as a Knick isn't a grievous crime. Especially when leadership skills are being used to justified a huge contract at age 33.

boy i cant wait for..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:16 pm : link
the how bad was the tyson trade portion of this argument.

WE NEED KNICK NEWS......
just give us some rumors...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:17 pm : link
to talk about so we dont have to talk about how shitty tyson was that last year.
Yes we do  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 4:17 pm : link
So we can stop shitting on each other!
hey hey hey...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:19 pm : link
get this guy and his common sense out of here....



‏@BobbyMarks42
Knicks fans need to be patient. The market will settle. Just because you have $27m doesn't mean you need to spend it all at once.
RE: RE: RE: I don't know what happened behind the scenes  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12351744 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 12351739 EricNY33 said:


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Nah... he cryptically spoke all season about how much he disliked playing for Woodson. Threw him under the bus a few times. His moves were calculated. Knew exactly what he was doing.


nah, it's just a big coincidence two of the best years of his career were contract years.


His DPOY year was a contract year? Stop being foolish.
What do you think crowders value is at?  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:21 pm : link
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the Celtics are definitely  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 4:22 pm : link
going to make a trade to balance their roster. I'd love Avery Bradley next to Harden.
Who gives a fuck?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 4:22 pm : link
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Wasn't directed at you, Osi  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 4:22 pm : link
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RE: the Celtics are definitely  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:23 pm : link
In comment 12351776 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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going to make a trade to balance their roster. I'd love Avery Bradley next to Harden.


That's a solid play. Upgrade over Beverly for sure.
Not sure of the $  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 4:23 pm : link
But he is a nice player. Brings it! I really feel Phil is trying hard to make a splash so if B+ free agents want to sign he is letting them go until all the A's are gone.
Well if the market is drying up  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:23 pm : link
And the celtics are splurging on veterans, maybe crowder could be a worthy signing for cheap.
I'll worry about Jae Crowder  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 4:25 pm : link
When we swing and miss on our first 10 FA targets.
Knicks rumor!  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 4:25 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 48m48 minutes ago
#Knicks have been in touch with forward Lance Thomas about a new deal, per sources. Spurs and Nets have also expressed interest in Thomas.
I like him better than Amir Johnson  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 4:25 pm : link
And he got $12m. I wouldn't pay 12m for Crowder.
I think I've  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 4:27 pm : link
read about 200 tweets that reference how impressed Aldridge was with the Spurs presentation.
Really  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 4:28 pm : link
don't want Affalo given the market. I see no way we go "solid price".
Many of you are too caught up in what yesterday's cap value was  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 4:28 pm : link
That landscape is gone. The skyrocketing cap has made your player valuations obsolete. Adapt or perish.
No one cared about Jae Crowder until  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 4:29 pm : link
The Grantland Bill Simmons nut huggers got a whiff of him. The guy isn't bad, but he got stats on a bad team. Compare his stats on the Celtics to KJ McDaniels on the Sixers and you would find more similarities than differences. No one is talking about KJ McDaniels though.
RE: I'll worry about Jae Crowder  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12351782 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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When we swing and miss on our first 10 FA targets.


Settle down. Did I start a campaign for him? No, was asking a simple question. Stop being foolish.
i dont understand why  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 4:30 pm : link
the sixers got rid of KJ... hes a good wing player- a piece to a puzzle whether its off the bench or not.
hate the amir Johnson contract-
Why  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 4:31 pm : link
not Brandan Wright?
Just imagine what next year is going to be...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:31 pm : link
like when every team has capspace and you have to outbid them for guys. Its going to make this year look like a flea market.
RE: Many of you are too caught up in what yesterday's cap value was  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:32 pm : link
In comment 12351788 Torrag said:
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That landscape is gone. The skyrocketing cap has made your player valuations obsolete. Adapt or perish.


Has it? Or are the Knicks not frantic to "get with the flow" and see if that's more of pressured decisions than a full trend. Not saying not to expect crazy deals. But when Carroll is get $15 million and Danny green is getting $10 there's a clear difference in valuation for different teams. Or it could be Danny green took a hometown discount. We will find out soon.
hitdog..  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:32 pm : link
thats pretty much how i feel about everything philly does....

"i dont understand why philly....." then fill in the blank.
RE: Why  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:33 pm : link
In comment 12351793 DanMetroMan said:
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not Brandan Wright?


If Monroe falls through he should be a close next target.
Wow  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 4:33 pm : link
Mayweather made more money in his last fight than Tim Duncan has in his entire career.
I'm praying the Rockets  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 4:34 pm : link
find a way to keep KJ. He didn't do anything as a Rocket, but his talent is undeniable.
RE: Wow  
BeerFridge : 7/1/2015 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12351801 DanMetroMan said:
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Mayweather made more money in his last fight than Tim Duncan has in his entire career.


Boxing fans spend a lot for very little.
RE: RE: I'll worry about Jae Crowder  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12351790 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
In comment 12351782 AnotherGiantsFan said:


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When we swing and miss on our first 10 FA targets.



Settle down. Did I start a campaign for him? No, was asking a simple question. Stop being foolish.


Rarely do I even look who I'm responding to unless I recognize the poster. Nothing personal. It was more directed at Jae Crowder getting love this early in FA than you.
Wright worries me a bit...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:35 pm : link
but id take a shot on him. I just dont like a guy who has been in the league 7 years yet has never played more then 20 minutes a game. If i thought his deal would be reasonable id be ok, but in this market he prolly gets a pretty solid deal.
Has it?  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 4:35 pm : link
Yes it has. The Knicks haven't had a guy say 'yes' to give him the money. They will when they get a yes.
Lakers  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 4:36 pm : link
OUT on LA per the LA Times, he didn't like their basketball portion of the presentation.
RE: Lakers  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12351810 DanMetroMan said:
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OUT on LA per the LA Times, he didn't like their basketball portion of the presentation.


I bet Adam Levine was the fucking tits though.
...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:37 pm : link
Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 54s54 seconds ago
LaMarcus Aldridge will not be joining the Lakers, The Times has learned. They were a 50-50 choice but he disliked bball part of presentation

ha, not good when a basketball player dislikes the basketball part of your pitch.
RE: RE: Lakers  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12351811 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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In comment 12351810 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


OUT on LA per the LA Times, he didn't like their basketball portion of the presentation.



I bet Adam Levine was the fucking tits though.


LMA would only be swayed by sance with Jerry Garcia.
So POR is out, LA is out.....  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:38 pm : link
Is it a lock for the Spurs. I cant imagine he goes to PHX despite what people are saying. Knicks might as well cancel their meeting, there is no way that he would choose us over SA, if he did i would seriously question his mental state, ha.
RE: So POR is out, LA is out.....  
Jay in Saratoga : 7/1/2015 4:40 pm : link
In comment 12351815 Italianju said:
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Is it a lock for the Spurs. I cant imagine he goes to PHX despite what people are saying. Knicks might as well cancel their meeting, there is no way that he would choose us over SA, if he did i would seriously question his mental state, ha.


Unless he wants to hook up with an Eastern Conference team so he doesn't have to fight his way through the west to reach the finals.
YES  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 4:41 pm : link
When I heard the Rockets were bringing Harden for the pitch and the Lakers were bringing Nash/Adam Levine for theirs, I knew it had a chance to backfire on the Lakers.

Rockets in the runner-up seat to the Spurs now. Still a longshot but feeling better.
Not to harp on Adam Levine again  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:42 pm : link
But did they actually bring him for the pitch or was that a joke?
This is what i was saying earlier...  
Italianju : 7/1/2015 4:43 pm : link
im glad that rumor came out that the knicks werent going to do all that crap that they did in 2010.
RE: Not to harp on Adam Levine again  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 4:43 pm : link
In comment 12351821 giantsfan44ab said:
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But did they actually bring him for the pitch or was that a joke?


I think it was for real.
Aldridge is coming off as a real  
Deej : 7/1/2015 4:44 pm : link
connoisseur of "presentations". I hear that he does not care for animated transitions in powerpoint.

I really wanted Love, Aldridge or Jordan to go to the Lakers. I just have this bad feeling that they'll miss out on everyone and Monroe will be their sloppy 4ths.
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 4:46 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m2 minutes ago
So far, the Spurs most impressed Aldridge, with Houston close behind Waiting on Suns word. Aldridge met with Blazers often, fond of Olshey.
apparently Kobe and Aldridge didn't click  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 4:46 pm : link
during the interviews because Kobe was vague with his answers or something?

He liked Houston's presentation better when it came to actual on-court projections.
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 4:47 pm : link
Unrestricted free agent LaMarcus Aldridge and Kobe Bryant "didn't quite gel" at their meeting.
LMA reportedly "didn't quite get answers from Kobe we was seeking."
I've always found  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 4:48 pm : link
Kobe one of the most dislikeable stars of the last twenty years.
RE: RE: So POR is out, LA is out.....  
Semipro Lineman : 7/1/2015 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12351818 Jay in Saratoga said:
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In comment 12351815 Italianju said:


Quote:


Is it a lock for the Spurs. I cant imagine he goes to PHX despite what people are saying. Knicks might as well cancel their meeting, there is no way that he would choose us over SA, if he did i would seriously question his mental state, ha.



Unless he wants to hook up with an Eastern Conference team so he doesn't have to fight his way through the west to reach the finals.


Or he has questions about how long Tim Duncan is going to play before retiring...
RE: Not to harp on Adam Levine again  
aimrocky : 7/1/2015 4:49 pm : link
In comment 12351821 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
But did they actually bring him for the pitch or was that a joke?


Evan Roberts on WFAN said they did. I'm sure he got the info from Twitter.
Kobe one of the most dislikeable stars of the last twenty years.  
raever : 7/1/2015 4:50 pm : link
Seeing as it's 50/50 he bought himself out of a rape indictment why am I not surprised.
RE: ...  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 4:50 pm : link
In comment 12351812 Italianju said:
Quote:
Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 54s54 seconds ago
LaMarcus Aldridge will not be joining the Lakers, The Times has learned. They were a 50-50 choice but he disliked bball part of presentation

ha, not good when a basketball player dislikes the basketball part of your pitch.


They were never a 50-50 choice no matter what the times was trying to sell on that.
Woj:  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:51 pm : link
Spurs impressed Aldridge the most
Then the Rockets
Waiting on Suns
RE: I've always found  
Semipro Lineman : 7/1/2015 4:52 pm : link
In comment 12351830 Ash_3 said:
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Kobe one of the most dislikeable stars of the last twenty years.


I wonder how well guys like Bird, Isiah, and Jordan would have done as recruiters if they had that role back in the day. Bird was notorious for being private and a lot of people felt Isiah was a bit of a fake. While Jordan was close friends with other superstars, his reputation as an intolerant of mistakes hard ass would make LeBron seem like Mother Teresa in comparison
if Chandler + Knight is a big part of the Suns pitch  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 4:53 pm : link
I don't get how they have any chance in this considering the Rockets have Dwight + Harden. Maybe they bring in ASU co-eds to their meeting, better than Adam Levine.
Not to reign on your parade Osi  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:53 pm : link
but I can't see how good the Rockets would be by gutting their roster.

I like the Rockets current roster now. Got 2 young PFs that can give you range and defense. Howard's got 3 more solid years in him as I see it. Capela could potentially fill in the defensive void to an extent. They have assets they can use to upgrade at PG. Denver is going to get less and less for Lawson the more they hold on to him.
LA needs a running mate  
Deej : 7/1/2015 4:54 pm : link
Kobe is old. Duncan is old. Leonard, Harden, and Melo are not so old. Maybe, just maybe we have a chance?

I hate that there is no Monroe news. I think he has to be really nice to all these teams because he's looking to be on the market in a year or two. Cant leave a bad impression anywhere.

It is nice to see LA not getting whatever they want. I fucking hate that franchise.
It's especially hard taking Kobe as a recruiter seriously  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 4:54 pm : link
When he's going to be 37 at the start of the season and had 2 injury plagued seasons in a row.
Man  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 4:54 pm : link
Kobe is an incredibly unique personality.
RE: if Chandler + Knight is a big part of the Suns pitch  
Deej : 7/1/2015 4:55 pm : link
In comment 12351844 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I don't get how they have any chance in this considering the Rockets have Dwight + Harden. Maybe they bring in ASU co-eds to their meeting, better than Adam Levine.


Maybe it's me, but I'd keep Dwight away from recruiting. He seems intolerable.

Didnt the whole porn industry move to Arizona b/c of the LA condom ordinance. Just sayin...
RE: Not to reign on your parade Osi  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12351846 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
but I can't see how good the Rockets would be by gutting their roster.

I like the Rockets current roster now. Got 2 young PFs that can give you range and defense. Howard's got 3 more solid years in him as I see it. Capela could potentially fill in the defensive void to an extent. They have assets they can use to upgrade at PG. Denver is going to get less and less for Lawson the more they hold on to him.


I honestly don't know if it's a good move or not. It's not a slam dunk in my mind that Aldridge is the way to go, you bring up good points.

But the Rockets would still be able to keep Capela and D-Mo if they sign LMA, which would still give them two great young frontcourt assets. They really wouldn't be "gutting" the team, there would still be solid role playing talent around them.
Bulls fan at work was thoroughly convinced  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:56 pm : link
that the best option the Knicks can have is to trade Melo for Joe Johnson straight up and "accept the rebuild already". Didn't want to give it time, just nodded my head.
Cavs just signed Tristan Thompson  
andrew_nyg : 7/1/2015 4:57 pm : link
for $18mil per, I'm fairly certain Mosgov makes $5mil per.
Melo makes $23mil per (give or take). Give Melo and LeBron their wet dream, make that trade!

Knicks get Thompson and Mosgov to go with the 19 yr old kid, the PG from ND...and they still have $26mil in cap space to play with.

A nice young nucleus to build a triangle offense and a strong rebounding, shot blocking defense.
RE: Cavs just signed Tristan Thompson  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12351855 andrew_nyg said:
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for $18mil per, I'm fairly certain Mosgov makes $5mil per.
Melo makes $23mil per (give or take). Give Melo and LeBron their wet dream, make that trade!

Knicks get Thompson and Mosgov to go with the 19 yr old kid, the PG from ND...and they still have $26mil in cap space to play with.

A nice young nucleus to build a triangle offense and a strong rebounding, shot blocking defense.


Lol I'm no Melo fan but that's unconscionable.
^not going to give that  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 4:59 pm : link
any time.
I feel like that team would just win another 17 games.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 4:59 pm : link
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Not sure how LA had a shot  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 4:59 pm : link
asides from the chance to live in a more appealing city.

-SA has a better roster than LA. Even without Duncan they still have Parker, Leonard, Green, etc. That's just safer than Randle, Kobe, Russell, Clarkson, etc who could be good but don't have a track record

-SA has a better coach in Pop. Even if he's only around for like 3 more years, that would be most of Aldridge's contract. Scott may be fired this year.

-No income tax in Texas. California has one of the highest rates.

-Lamarcus Aldridge is from Texas (granted from Dallas)

--

And that's not even including the whole Kobe issue
Thompson  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:00 pm : link
without Lebron is not worth $10 million even in the new era.
Thompson at 18 a year  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:00 pm : link
is crazy for the Cavs. For the Knicks its just stupid. What's beyond stupid?
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:00 pm : link
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Kobe spoke for about three minutes in the presentation, said he envisioned LaMarcus Aldridge working with him the same way Pau Gasol did.
RE: Thompson at 18 a year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12351862 Deej said:
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is crazy for the Cavs. For the Knicks its just stupid. What's beyond stupid?


Isiah Thomas having control of a sports team?
RE: Cavs just signed Tristan Thompson  
Jon in NYC : 7/1/2015 5:02 pm : link
In comment 12351855 andrew_nyg said:
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for $18mil per, I'm fairly certain Mosgov makes $5mil per.
Melo makes $23mil per (give or take). Give Melo and LeBron their wet dream, make that trade!

Knicks get Thompson and Mosgov to go with the 19 yr old kid, the PG from ND...and they still have $26mil in cap space to play with.

A nice young nucleus to build a triangle offense and a strong rebounding, shot blocking defense.


Not sure if srs
RE: ..  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:02 pm : link
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Kobe spoke for about three minutes in the presentation, said he envisioned LaMarcus Aldridge working with him the same way Pau Gasol did.


"So Lamarcus -- it's Lamarcus, right? -- Im gonna yell at you a lot, in public and for no reason, whenever I go cold as ice. And lets get this out of the way -- I will NEVER say a kind word to you. Cool?"
RE: ..  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 5:03 pm : link
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Kobe spoke for about three minutes in the presentation, said he envisioned LaMarcus Aldridge working with him the same way Pau Gasol did.


Bahahaha washed up star on his last legs tells better player in his prime that he would appreciate a second banana.
RE: Cavs just signed Tristan Thompson  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:03 pm : link
In comment 12351855 andrew_nyg said:
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for $18mil per, I'm fairly certain Mosgov makes $5mil per.
Melo makes $23mil per (give or take). Give Melo and LeBron their wet dream, make that trade!

Knicks get Thompson and Mosgov to go with the 19 yr old kid, the PG from ND...and they still have $26mil in cap space to play with.

A nice young nucleus to build a triangle offense and a strong rebounding, shot blocking defense.


Kobe is such a clown  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 5:04 pm : link
He's been killing the Lakers as far as destinations go for several years now.
DEAD  
andrew_nyg : 7/1/2015 5:06 pm : link
srs

They need to start young and athletic to play in this system. Melo is on the back 9 with a backache of an attitude.

I don't mind them having to develop a scorer or two, their cap is just going to grow and with this trade they will have players to grow into the system, and they can add great scoring in 2016 FA.
RE: DEAD  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 5:07 pm : link
In comment 12351874 andrew_nyg said:
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srs

They need to start young and athletic to play in this system. Melo is on the back 9 with a backache of an attitude.

I don't mind them having to develop a scorer or two, their cap is just going to grow and with this trade they will have players to grow into the system, and they can add great scoring in 2016 FA.


Oh yeah? Who's coming in 2016 to that team you've put together?
andrew its an original idea  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:07 pm : link
Unfortunately it's so bad this isn't going to end well for you.
RE: DEAD  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:08 pm : link
In comment 12351874 andrew_nyg said:
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srs

They need to start young and athletic to play in this system. Melo is on the back 9 with a backache of an attitude.

I don't mind them having to develop a scorer or two, their cap is just going to grow and with this trade they will have players to grow into the system, and they can add great scoring in 2016 FA.

They still have $26 mil  
andrew_nyg : 7/1/2015 5:09 pm : link
in cap space this year after that trade.

they won't be done with the roster after that trade.

Melo will NEVER be successful here, it's time we all come to terms with that.
Young and athletic?  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:10 pm : link
How about talented? Because Thompson just isnt very talented. Its kind of a big deal.
RE: andrew its an original idea  
andrew_nyg : 7/1/2015 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12351878 Torrag said:
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Unfortunately it's so bad this isn't going to end well for you.


LOL! That's okay, I'm used to being scorned for my opinions around here. That's what makes the world go round.

Hammer away!
If Duncan is in  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 5:12 pm : link
so am I!

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Nate Duncan ‏@NateDuncanNBA 10m10 minutes ago
Jeff Withey is a guy I still might take a flier on low-cost. Older than you think, but can block some shots and move ok.
Question-  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:13 pm : link
doesn't Melo almost GAIN trade value given the market? I mean in a market where Carroll is worth 60... and Millsap 80...?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO Part II  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 5:13 pm : link
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Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 5m5 minutes ago
#Knicks have reached out to their former SG Landry Fields. Interesting story for Landry as he's practicing shooting lefty this offseason.


Every signed 'star' has more value  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:14 pm : link
Their contracts are a bargain.
Oh  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:14 pm : link
God no.


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#Knicks have reached out to their former SG Landry Fields. Interesting story for Landry as he's practicing shooting lefty this offseason.
Wait, we are actually giving this "trade" time?  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:14 pm : link
Well if theres nothing else going on.

I can't even begin where to start. From Tristan Thompson now being the highest paid role player in history, to the fact that Lebron ordered that contract for TT, to the fact that Mozgov is less than 2 years younger than Melo to the fact that he is also expiring at the end of this season.

Which angle should we choose to pursue this one from?
RE: Question-  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:14 pm : link
In comment 12351888 DanMetroMan said:
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doesn't Melo almost GAIN trade value given the market? I mean in a market where Carroll is worth 60... and Millsap 80...?


Yes, massive value at 23 million. If he will accept a trade.
Eric  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:15 pm : link
That cat got me ...LOL.
Talk about desperation.  
Jon in NYC : 7/1/2015 5:15 pm : link
Switching from righty to lefty. wow.
RE: LA needs a running mate  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 5:15 pm : link
In comment 12351847 Deej said:
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It is nice to see LA not getting whatever they want. I fucking hate that franchise.


It warms my heart.
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:15 pm : link
Steve Popper ‏@StevePopper 6s7 seconds ago
Steve Popper retweeted Marc Berman
Aside to this insanity: Saw Allan Houston working with Fields on his shot once. Allan, shooting lefty, was better.
RE: Talk about desperation.  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:15 pm : link
In comment 12351895 Jon in NYC said:
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Switching from righty to lefty. wow.


Didnt Thompson do that?
RE: Question-  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 5:15 pm : link
In comment 12351888 DanMetroMan said:
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doesn't Melo almost GAIN trade value given the market? I mean in a market where Carroll is worth 60... and Millsap 80...?

definitely. What's even more ridiculous are those in the media who killed him for not taking a below market deal in Dallas or Chicago. He'd basically be making what Kris Middleton got.
RE: Question-  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:16 pm : link
In comment 12351888 DanMetroMan said:
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doesn't Melo almost GAIN trade value given the market? I mean in a market where Carroll is worth 60... and Millsap 80...?


He certainly does, and many teams will have enough cap space when they are left in the dust with the FAs they couldn't land. Keep him for essentially 2 years to recruit young players and trade him for assets when he least suspects it.
Melo  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:17 pm : link
for Russell and Randle and let's move on wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Yeah everyone not a lakers fan despises them  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:17 pm : link
They used to be popular. Kobe is thoroughly unlikable and it has a trickle down effect. The 'abroad' Lakers fanbase has taken a hit imo.
to this day it mystifies me how  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 5:18 pm : link
Landry shot 39% from deep his rookie year. He made 86 threes that year. He's made 34 since.
Enzo  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:19 pm : link
Luck?>
RE: Melo  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12351902 DanMetroMan said:
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for Russell and Randle and let's move on wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


Yeah because the Lakers would do that...
The happy hour BBI fans should be chiming in soon...  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:21 pm : link
and with every moment that passes without a major signing by Phil the meltdown becomes more imminent...
RE: RE: Melo  
Jay on the Island : 7/1/2015 5:22 pm : link
In comment 12351907 EricNY33 said:
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In comment 12351902 DanMetroMan said:


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for Russell and Randle and let's move on wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo



Yeah because the Lakers would do that...

He was being sarcastic obviously.
Its kind of funny now  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:22 pm : link
that Wade is expected to take less than $16 million when Carroll just got signed for $15. I'm sure seeing these deals is making him think twice about it.
RE: The happy hour BBI fans should be chiming in soon...  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12351908 Torrag said:
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and with every moment that passes without a major signing by Phil the meltdown becomes more imminent...


LOL, the very next comment...
two things  
djm : 7/1/2015 5:23 pm : link
fuck Tyson Chandler. When the going got tough in NY Tyson got a fucking cold and threw his coach under the bus. Seriously. Fuck him.

Second---the above post from a few minutes ago...I thought that was a long cat for a second...

Eric  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:24 pm : link
I really expect Randle and Russell for Melo? C'mon lol
anyone else  
Jon in NYC : 7/1/2015 5:24 pm : link
remember the longcat banning epidemic of '13?
RE: Eric  
EricNY33 : 7/1/2015 5:25 pm : link
In comment 12351913 DanMetroMan said:
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I really expect Randle and Russell for Melo? C'mon lol


Knowing you for as long as I do? Yes. LOL
,,  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:26 pm : link
Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 17s17 seconds ago
Dallas and New Orleans are among the teams that have discussed deals w/forward Richard Jefferson, per source. RJ looking for 1-2 year deal.
Serious question though  
ADeP7 : 7/1/2015 5:26 pm : link
If lakers wanted Melo and Melo would waive his trade clause

And lakers were offering Russell or randle who would everyone want
What a surprise, Lakers fucked up their presentation again  
David in LA : 7/1/2015 5:26 pm : link
they need to stop focusing their presentation on opportunities outside of basketball. Sounds like they got caught with their pants down when it came to talking about actual basketball. They also need to stop bringing Kobe to these meetings.
RE: Serious question though  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:27 pm : link
In comment 12351917 ADeP7 said:
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If lakers wanted Melo and Melo would waive his trade clause

And lakers were offering Russell or randle who would everyone want


Russell
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:27 pm : link
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‏@paxer89
Sergio Llull won't join the #Rockets and will stay in Madrid, as reported by @WojYahooNBA. #NBA
Russell  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:28 pm : link
better fit.
Russell  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 5:28 pm : link
Randle is damaged
I don't think  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 5:29 pm : link
the Lakers had much chance at Aldridge to begin with. Maybe they did fuck up the presentation but I dont think he went in there giving them a real shot either
RE: Russell  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:29 pm : link
In comment 12351922 DanMetroMan said:
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better fit.


Better prospect too, even before the Randle injury.
Russell based on age and star potential. Carries more risk.  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:29 pm : link
Randle is the better player right now and he's a known quantity.

I'd trade Melo for Russell  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 5:30 pm : link
straight up with no regrets.
Also don't quite get Randle's abilties yet  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:31 pm : link
Too much of his "bully ball" reminded me of Tyler Hasnborough. Now obviously hes tons more athletic but he does not have a post game. Hes Kenny faried with a better jumper but gives you nothing on defense.
...  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:31 pm : link
The Mavericks met with unrestricted free agent DeAndre Jordan for 4.5 hours.
Source: Tim MacMahon on Twitter Jul 1 - 5:30 PM
Melo for Russell  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:32 pm : link
Sign Monroe and Harris. W/ Porz that's a nice young core.
This will  
Old Dirty Beckham : 7/1/2015 5:32 pm : link
be the knicks offseason
Good Start - ( New Window )
The Mavericks met with unrestricted free agent DeAndre Jordan for 4.5  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:32 pm : link
Smacks of Cuban attempting to circumvent the cap with under the table money...I wouldn't put it past him.
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:33 pm : link
Calvin Watkins ‏@calvinwatkins 10s10 seconds ago
The number of teams interested in Rockets RFA KJ McDaniels has increased to 12. No offer sheet presented as yet.
Really don't think  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 5:35 pm : link
Tobias Harris becomes that much better than he is at the moment.
Still  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:35 pm : link
way too early to be upset. If they strike out on Jordan, LA, Monroe and Harris (the last of the "he could be very interesting") guys then yeah Phil failed his first off-season in my view.
Torrag  
Old Dirty Beckham : 7/1/2015 5:36 pm : link
Ignorant suggestion IMO. Mark Cuban would never risk that. It's not worth it. He already has a title, an established franchise with an excellent fan base that supports his team.

Ever think they met for 4.5 hours because Cuban and his crew know what they're doing?

RE: Really don't think  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:37 pm : link
In comment 12351936 Ash_3 said:
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Tobias Harris becomes that much better than he is at the moment.

Its hard to think of a player that started off as well as he did that hit his ceiling at age 22 because of injuries.
Dan  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 5:37 pm : link
Agree
RE: This will  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:38 pm : link
In comment 12351932 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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be the knicks offseason Good Start - ( New Window )


Not this?

Are the Clippers still in play for Jordan?  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:38 pm : link
Or has that ship sailed?
*NOT because of injuries  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:38 pm : link
.
It really depends on whether  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 5:39 pm : link
he can become a better 3 pt shooter. I also don't think he has the mobility to play the 3, which makes future fit with KP questionable.
Old Stupid Beckham  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:39 pm : link
That post was tongue in cheek. Guess subtlety isn't your forte.
RE: Are the Clippers still in play for Jordan?  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12351945 Torrag said:
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Or has that ship sailed?


He hasn't crossed anyone off but he's already met with the Mavs twice...
RE: Serious question though  
Sgrcts : 7/1/2015 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12351917 ADeP7 said:
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If lakers wanted Melo and Melo would waive his trade clause

And lakers were offering Russell or randle who would everyone want


How is that a serious question? Would we rather have a 7th pick in the draft coming off a missed season due to a broken leg or the 2nd pick in the draft?
RE: It really depends on whether  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12351947 Ash_3 said:
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he can become a better 3 pt shooter. I also don't think he has the mobility to play the 3, which makes future fit with KP questionable.


Ash I have concerns with Harris and Melo as well but assuming Marc Gasol isn't happening I see LA, Aldridge, Monroe and Harris as the best remaining FA. If we don't land ANY... not good.
RE: Really don't think  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:41 pm : link
In comment 12351936 Ash_3 said:
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Tobias Harris becomes that much better than he is at the moment.


Why? He's 22 years old. In any event, as a 22 year old he's a 17 point, 6.3 reb, .466/.364/.788 guy. That's pretty fucking valuable as is.
,  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:41 pm : link
Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 16s16 seconds ago
Sources: Kings, Knicks, Wizards, Dallas and Pacers are registering interest in Derrick Williams
RE: ,  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:43 pm : link
In comment 12351954 DanMetroMan said:
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Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 16s16 seconds ago
Sources: Kings, Knicks, Wizards, Dallas and Pacers are registering interest in Derrick Williams

Jesus this is looking bad.
RE: Its kind of funny now  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 5:43 pm : link
In comment 12351910 giantsfan44ab said:
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that Wade is expected to take less than $16 million when Carroll just got signed for $15. I'm sure seeing these deals is making him think twice about it.

Wade has nobody to blame but himself. he walked away from a guaranteed $44 million or so. Nobody forced him to.
RE: Russell based on age and star potential. Carries more risk.  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 5:43 pm : link
In comment 12351926 Torrag said:
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Randle is the better player right now and he's a known quantity.


This can't be real life, can it?

The guy who played exactly 14 minutes in the NBA in his career is better right now and a known quantity?

He's a pretty good scorer  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 5:43 pm : link
who relies on a steamy jumper with good but not great athleticism. It all turns on the 3.
RE: It really depends on whether  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:43 pm : link
In comment 12351947 Ash_3 said:
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he can become a better 3 pt shooter. I also don't think he has the mobility to play the 3, which makes future fit with KP questionable.


He shot 36.4% on volume last year. How good does he need to be?
RE: RE: ,  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 5:43 pm : link
In comment 12351956 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 12351954 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 16s16 seconds ago
Sources: Kings, Knicks, Wizards, Dallas and Pacers are registering interest in Derrick Williams


Jesus this is looking bad.


What in the hell are you talking about?
what does everyone want knicks to do  
ADeP7 : 7/1/2015 5:43 pm : link
On the surface all of the marqee guys seem like they would be good gets but all have some questions to there fit and what they bring

Gasol ideally would be perfect but he looks like a sure fire lock to go back to grizz

Aldridge-great scorer, but high volume shooter ok defense questionable if we cant get a defensive center

Deandre jordan- great defense great rebounding, no real offense, questionable for him to be the number 2 on your team

Monroe-solid post game, great rebounder ,not a rim protector. average d cant hit a jumper

Basically who fits best to help knicks contend in the east
If we are turning to Williams  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:44 pm : link
Cuz we don't like our prospects at Monroe
RE: RE: It really depends on whether  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 5:44 pm : link
In comment 12351960 Deej said:
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In comment 12351947 Ash_3 said:


Quote:


he can become a better 3 pt shooter. I also don't think he has the mobility to play the 3, which makes future fit with KP questionable.



He shot 36.4% on volume last year. How good does he need to be?


Probably not much better for 16 million a year in this new financial climate. The fit questions remain.
RE: RE: Russell based on age and star potential. Carries more risk.  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:45 pm : link
In comment 12351958 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12351926 Torrag said:


Quote:


Randle is the better player right now and he's a known quantity.




This can't be real life, can it?

The guy who played exactly 14 minutes in the NBA in his career is better right now and a known quantity?


You forgot the part where he broke his leg so bad he needed surgery and missed 81 games (so far).
RE: what does everyone want knicks to do  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:45 pm : link
In comment 12351962 ADeP7 said:
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On the surface all of the marqee guys seem like they would be good gets but all have some questions to there fit and what they bring

Gasol ideally would be perfect but he looks like a sure fire lock to go back to grizz

Aldridge-great scorer, but high volume shooter ok defense questionable if we cant get a defensive center

Deandre jordan- great defense great rebounding, no real offense, questionable for him to be the number 2 on your team

Monroe-solid post game, great rebounder ,not a rim protector. average d cant hit a jumper

Basically who fits best to help knicks contend in the east


If the Knicks don't land any of them it's because the players didn't want to come here... NOT because the Knicks found them to be flawed. That's the thing with the cap.. the Knicks and other teams are offering the same exact loot to this max players. Aldridge, Jordan, Gasol, Monroe will get max money if they want it.
RE: RE: RE: Russell based on age and star potential. Carries more risk.  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 5:45 pm : link
In comment 12351965 Deej said:
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In comment 12351958 MookGiants said:


Quote:


In comment 12351926 Torrag said:


Quote:


Randle is the better player right now and he's a known quantity.




This can't be real life, can it?

The guy who played exactly 14 minutes in the NBA in his career is better right now and a known quantity?




You forgot the part where he broke his leg so bad he needed surgery and missed 81 games (so far).


I was trying to be kind, but holy crap that post by Torrag was one of the dumbest things I've ever read on BBI.
ADe  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:45 pm : link
Aldridge and it's not close for me.
Again  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 5:46 pm : link
Don't overpay to be a .500 team and lose all flexibility. Keep room something will pop. We are in this long term!
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:48 pm : link
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 1m1 minute ago
Originally scheduled to meet with LaMarcus Aldridge tomorrow, the Mavs are making their pitch today, league source says.
RE: Again  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:48 pm : link
In comment 12351972 Carl in CT said:
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Don't overpay to be a .500 team and lose all flexibility. Keep room something will pop. We are in this long term!


The thing is "room" is a non-existent term for the next 2 years for 95% of nba teams. We have to pull away with SOMETHING
RE: RE: RE: It really depends on whether  
Deej : 7/1/2015 5:48 pm : link
In comment 12351964 Ash_3 said:
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In comment 12351960 Deej said:


Quote:


In comment 12351947 Ash_3 said:


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he can become a better 3 pt shooter. I also don't think he has the mobility to play the 3, which makes future fit with KP questionable.



He shot 36.4% on volume last year. How good does he need to be?



Probably not much better for 16 million a year in this new financial climate. The fit questions remain.


For 16 million I take that gamble every day. I think people are overly concerned with fit right now. I'd just grab underpriced assets, which Harris is without any improvement. And if he improves -- which I expect he will -- watch out.

AND HE WANTS TO BE HERE!
RE: RE: Again  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2015 5:48 pm : link
In comment 12351974 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
In comment 12351972 Carl in CT said:


Quote:


Don't overpay to be a .500 team and lose all flexibility. Keep room something will pop. We are in this long term!



The thing is "room" is a non-existent term for the next 2 years for 95% of nba teams. We have to pull away with SOMETHING


+10. If they don't come away with Tobias Harris at minimum it was bad.
'one of the dumbest things I've ever read on BBI'  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:49 pm : link
I own it I was thinking of someone else. I got half of it right by pickng Russell so maybe it was the second dumbest thing you ever read here? /looking for silver lining
Agree  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 5:49 pm : link
But not overpriced or overage talent. Stay the course!
RE: RE: what does everyone want knicks to do  
ADeP7 : 7/1/2015 5:50 pm : link
In comment 12351968 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
In comment 12351962 ADeP7 said:


Quote:


On the surface all of the marqee guys seem like they would be good gets but all have some questions to there fit and what they bring

Gasol ideally would be perfect but he looks like a sure fire lock to go back to grizz

Aldridge-great scorer, but high volume shooter ok defense questionable if we cant get a defensive center

Deandre jordan- great defense great rebounding, no real offense, questionable for him to be the number 2 on your team

Monroe-solid post game, great rebounder ,not a rim protector. average d cant hit a jumper

Basically who fits best to help knicks contend in the east



If the Knicks don't land any of them it's because the players didn't want to come here... NOT because the Knicks found them to be flawed. That's the thing with the cap.. the Knicks and other teams are offering the same exact loot to this max players. Aldridge, Jordan, Gasol, Monroe will get max money if they want it.



I know that i meant more or less if knicks can get any one of
Aldrige jordan oor monroe, who exactly is the best for us
RE: RE: RE: RE: It really depends on whether  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 5:50 pm : link
In comment 12351975 Deej said:
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In comment 12351964 Ash_3 said:


Quote:


In comment 12351960 Deej said:


Quote:


In comment 12351947 Ash_3 said:


Quote:


he can become a better 3 pt shooter. I also don't think he has the mobility to play the 3, which makes future fit with KP questionable.



He shot 36.4% on volume last year. How good does he need to be?



Probably not much better for 16 million a year in this new financial climate. The fit questions remain.



For 16 million I take that gamble every day. I think people are overly concerned with fit right now. I'd just grab underpriced assets, which Harris is without any improvement. And if he improves -- which I expect he will -- watch out.

AND HE WANTS TO BE HERE!


That's a fair argument. Even if he doesn't improve or does so marginally he'll be worth the contract.
ha  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 5:50 pm : link
we're all losing it a bit I think. Glad it was just a mixup and not a real thought because I was absolutely puzzled
With no pick and a bare roater  
hitdog42 : 7/1/2015 5:51 pm : link
The Knicks need to come away with something- because they need something to market next year- so whether it's Harris or Monroe or another big- the goal is to collect a piece and hope grant is a starter caliber
RE: 'one of the dumbest things I've ever read on BBI'  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 5:51 pm : link
In comment 12351977 Torrag said:
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I own it I was thinking of someone else. I got half of it right by pickng Russell so maybe it was the second dumbest thing you ever read here? /looking for silver lining


Who were you thinking of?
RE: Agree  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:52 pm : link
In comment 12351978 Carl in CT said:
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But not overpriced or overage talent. Stay the course!


Well not saying we give Biyombo a max contract, but there's gotta be 2 assets on this roster that wasn't on it yesterday.
Why today?  
Carl in CT : 7/1/2015 5:54 pm : link
There is still time!
I meant  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 5:54 pm : link
By the end of the offseason.
They need to be useful players  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 6:04 pm : link
We all got excited about Dalembert and he was garbage. I do not care about signings for the sake of signings.
Am I being stupid in thinking  
Deej : 7/1/2015 6:11 pm : link
that Calderon can be decent for us this year? Defense will suck, but I have a hard time believing that the wheels fell off that bus, especially since he was hurt and because the team was hot, wet garbage. Guy has been good for 15-19 PER in his 30s, and suddenly at age 33 it goes to 11.3? Plausible that it is decline, but not assured.

If Calderon is a UFA in this market, doesnt he get 15 for 2 years?
No chance  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 6:14 pm : link
The thing is with PGs there's always a year where they fall off markedly and don't return. 33 is extremely frightening. And the thing is he has to keep up his 45% 3 point shooting to make up for the points he allows.
I'm not really sure what people are expecting of Phil this summer  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/1/2015 6:14 pm : link
To me, there were only four prizes in this draft and at different levels: Gasol, Aldridge, Jordan, Monroe.

I never thought Gasol was leaving Memphis; I assumed Aldridge was going to LA or Texas, and the same for Jordan. Monroe is a nice player and could help the team, but he isn't a franchise player that is a must get.

Unfortunately, I don't see much promise in the 2016 class. I don't think there's any way Durant comes here, Conley is the only guy in the class I'd like, but I imagine as one of the few attractive pieces in the class, there will be a lot of teams in play for him.
He has to be healthy first  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 6:15 pm : link
which, nobody has said he even is yet. It's almost like he doesn't exist.
RE: They need to be useful players  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 6:17 pm : link
In comment 12352012 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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We all got excited about Dalembert and he was garbage. I do not care about signings for the sake of signings.


I refuse to co-sign this. I called Dalembert dog shit from jump street because he was dog shit. Fuck boys on here were calling him a Tyson-lite.
lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 6:18 pm : link
.
Paul  
Deej : 7/1/2015 6:21 pm : link
Im very happy if we get Monroe. Happy with Harris. Monroe, Harris, Porz and Grant would be a GREAT offseason IMO. And as far as we've heard, Monroe and Harris like NY a lot.

Doesnt next year's FA class suck beyond Durant?
RE: Paul  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 6:24 pm : link
In comment 12352037 Deej said:
Quote:


Doesnt next year's FA class suck beyond Durant?


Kobe
Joe Johnson
Eric Gordon
Roy Hibbert
Durant
Conley Jr.
Batum
Brad Beal
Damien Lillard as of now unless my list is out of date.
Feel the same way about  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 6:26 pm : link
Calderon. This isn't an Eddy Curry or Amare type of contract - more of a Jared Jeffries thing where it's not great but it's not crippling either. It's just annoying that it prohibits the Knicks from signing 2 maxs. Thankfully the Knicks aren't giving up anything to more his contract and forcing anything.

I think as a backup he can be ok and similar to Prigs worst case scenario (better at offense worse at defense).

If people like Beverely are fetching around 7-10 million a year, Calderon would definitely get around 5-7.
RE: RE: Paul  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 6:26 pm : link
In comment 12352043 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 12352037 Deej said:


Quote:




Doesnt next year's FA class suck beyond Durant?



Kobe
Joe Johnson
Eric Gordon
Roy Hibbert
Durant
Conley Jr.
Batum
Brad Beal
Damien Lillard as of now unless my list is out of date.


I thin Lillard's about to sign a long term extension. If he's gone, then that's a sad list.
RE: RE: Paul  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 6:27 pm : link
In comment 12352043 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 12352037 Deej said:


Quote:




Doesnt next year's FA class suck beyond Durant?



Kobe
Joe Johnson
Eric Gordon
Roy Hibbert
Durant
Conley Jr.
Batum
Brad Beal
Damien Lillard as of now unless my list is out of date.


Not bad but Kobe and Hibbert seemed shot while Beal is a restricted FA and I'm sure DC will match. Johnson and Gordon are intriguing at the right price.

Conley Jr. would be amazing but I think he'd resign.
I have a candidate to replace my dumbest comment ever  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 6:29 pm : link
and it's from today no less so I didn't have to look that hard.

Quote:
ham is not pork
Greg from LI : 4:36 pm : link : reply
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This wasn't taken out of context. It was the entire post. I believe they were serious and it was not an ill fated attempt at humor.

BBI the gift that keeps on giving.
2016 seemed like it was talked up as the class of all classes  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/1/2015 6:30 pm : link
but Conley is the only gettable piece in that class.

I'm trying not to be pessimistic, but I just think the Knicks are screwed from raiding their cupboard for so many years with horrible decisions and then assuming that they could just quickly rebuild because it's NY.

The NBA now has so much exposure, that being in NYC doesn't have the gravitational pull that it may have once had. Stars seem more than happy to go to other cities with great fanbases and great organizations. At this point, NY merely has high taxes, an unforgiving media, an unproven coach, and a bare roster with limited future draft picks.

Maybe the move was to sign a bunch of the young midlevel players this season to long-term deals, just to establish a culture of competent basketball play and competent organizational stewardship so that we can start being an attractive destination in 2018 and beyond.

This is why they had to swing for the fences in a guy like Porzingis.
So if the Knicks miss out on these big ticket FAs  
djm : 7/1/2015 6:31 pm : link
The offseason and Phil's efforts thus far would be deemed a failure?

How? Because no one took their money? I don't agree. The FAs would be nice and we do need a lot of talent but if the Knicks only signed a few stop gaps while not mortgaging their future things could be a lot worse. And if guys like KP and grant develop next season this offseason would be deemed a resounding success.

Relax. Don't panic. Greg Monroe is a nice player. I want him to sign here too but he's not going to derail the rebuilding process one way or the other.

How can you (Dan) be critical of the GM simply because no one wanted to take his money?
Calderon  
Deej : 7/1/2015 6:33 pm : link
Just makes me think of Tyson, who just signed for 50 million. Smith and Shumpert are hated here and then productive when they leave.

Yes TC was arguable a special situation, but for a decade+ we've been dumping guys at the absolute bottom of their value. We need a little patience.
Won't fault  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 6:33 pm : link
the Knicks for not getting some of the top tier guys. No matter who the GM/President was do you really think a guy like LMA, DJ, Gasol, etc were signing here?

Only FA move I'm a bit disappointing so far was not getting Splitter.
Splitter was traded  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 6:35 pm : link
It's not as if he was a free agent able to choose his destination.
Even if they had gone with the "safe" pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 6:35 pm : link
No NBA free agent is coming here because of Justise Winslow.

RE: I have a candidate to replace my dumbest comment ever  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 6:36 pm : link
In comment 12352050 Torrag said:
Quote:
and it's from today no less so I didn't have to look that hard.



Quote:


ham is not pork
Greg from LI : 4:36 pm : link : reply
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This wasn't taken out of context. It was the entire post. I believe they were serious and it was not an ill fated attempt at humor.

BBI the gift that keeps on giving.


Can you just tell me who you were thinking of instead of Randle? It's actually rattling my cranium.
If the Knicks had won the first pick in the lottery and selected Towns  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 6:37 pm : link
That may have had some influence on free agency. May have. It's not like he's the next generational talent ala Lebron. No other player in this draft has any effect imo.
RE: Splitter was traded  
kash94 : 7/1/2015 6:38 pm : link
In comment 12352061 Torrag said:
Quote:
It's not as if he was a free agent able to choose his destination.


Sorry by FA move I mean any move (trade or signing) during the FA period - knew Splitter was traded.

Just annoyed that he was traded to Atlanta as opposed to us as they didn't send anything back asides from absorbing his salary.
assuming Torrag meant  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 6:41 pm : link
Jordan Clarkson. JC averaged 16/5/4 on .460/.311/.840 shooting when he was a starter last year. Nice young player who made a solid rookie impact in the NBA, but I'd rather have Russell for the potential.
with so many max contracts and limits  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/1/2015 6:41 pm : link
You really can't back up the truck and get a guy. You have to have a competent enough team that someone really thinks there is opportunity on the Knicks. With limited draft picks it is hard to see why a first tier guy would come here. It almost argues for trading Melo for draft picks. The problem with that is that bottom dwellers aren't going to want him, so the draft picks aren't going to be great.

Seems like it may be a long slog to get to a reasonable place. Sins of the past. F Dolan.
RE: If the Knicks had won the first pick in the lottery and selected Towns  
Deej : 7/1/2015 6:42 pm : link
In comment 12352066 Torrag said:
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That may have had some influence on free agency. May have. It's not like he's the next generational talent ala Lebron. No other player in this draft has any effect imo.


I think the guy that people would want to play with from the draft would be Russell. Moreso than Towns. But lets remember that when GM LeBron got his hands on Wiggins, he shipped him out right quick. Generally these vets dont give a shit about any rookie.
Calderon  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 6:43 pm : link
Will not make an impact on any team for the rest of his career. You can have my word on that. There's not much value for a 33 year old PG. If you can think of one let me know. Kidd and Nash are transcendent players so don't even use those 2. Calderon is more in that Jameer Nelson/Devin Harris/Felton crew.
I think if we strike out on Jordan, Monroe, and Harris  
Deej : 7/1/2015 6:44 pm : link
Melo asks for a trade, or we ask Melo if we can shop him. Wouldnt be surprised if there is a gentleman's agreement. Makes sense for both sides. Melo and Afflalo aint gonna cut it.
Milsap back to Atlanta  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 6:45 pm : link
Brandon Wright to Memphis 3 years $18 million. See, there are sensible deals still available.

Now looks like Koufos is out.
Wright for $6M per is a steal  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 6:48 pm : link
I wish Millsap went to Orlando, but I'm pretty happy to see him back in Atlanta.

Splitter gives them the guy who can guard the BIG guys in the league. Horford is excellent but undersized as a Center. Splitter/Horford/Millsap is such a wonderful frontcourt. 3 guys who are all better than their stats.
I'll say that signing Melo  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/1/2015 6:49 pm : link
to that max contract might end up being the best trade chip we have if comes back this season, after you look at the contracts some of these players are getting and will get next year.

The problem with this Knicks organization (Fuck Dolan), is that we want players who care about winning. But if a player wants to win, then there's no reason to come to NY. So the players that the Knicks do end up getting will be all about the money or all about NYC.

Tough situation.
RE: Calderon  
Deej : 7/1/2015 6:52 pm : link
In comment 12352076 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
Will not make an impact on any team for the rest of his career. You can have my word on that. There's not much value for a 33 year old PG. If you can think of one let me know. Kidd and Nash are transcendent players so don't even use those 2. Calderon is more in that Jameer Nelson/Devin Harris/Felton crew.


Andre Miller, Rod Strickland, Terry Porter, Sam Cassell, Avery Johnson
I still think Monroe ends up in NY  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 6:52 pm : link
Monroe and Koufos/Ro Lo is enough for me to be happy as a pig in shit. We'll cross our fingers that Langston can be a SG.
fwiw:  
wigs in nyc : 7/1/2015 6:52 pm : link
@sam_amick: LaMarcus Aldridge is unlikely to make a decision by tonight, I'm told, as he wants to hear what the Knicks have to say in meeting tomorrow.
Let me not say SG  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 6:53 pm : link
We'd just be going double PG with Langston being the off guard.
RE: fwiw:  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 6:54 pm : link
In comment 12352089 wigs in nyc said:
Quote:
@sam_amick: LaMarcus Aldridge is unlikely to make a decision by tonight, I'm told, as he wants to hear what the Knicks have to say in meeting tomorrow.


Lol, yeah ok. Aldridge just wants one last stroke to his happy ending he's been getting from teams as he's never experienced this and will never experience this again. Kind of like Melo last year.
I respect Aldridge for giving teams a fair hearing if he has interest  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 6:57 pm : link
It's a long long long longshot but he'd grab the headlines and rock NYC if he chose the Knicks.
The money has to be the same, so if he wants to hear what Phil says  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 6:57 pm : link
why not?
AGF  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/1/2015 6:58 pm : link
it's what I'd want to do. With all the attention he's getting, what's one more day to at least get a chance to hear a pitch from Phil Jackson and Madison Square Garden (though I wonder if MSG is still a "mecca" anymore given how bad the Knicks have been for so long and it no longer being where must-watch boxing fights are).
something Knicks fans should realize  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 6:58 pm : link
Draft Combine Measurements
Jerian Grant: 6'7.5" wingspan -- 8'4" standing reach -- 198 lbs
Hardaway Jr: 6'7" wingspan -- 8'5" standing reach -- 199 lbs
RE: something Knicks fans should realize  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 7:00 pm : link
In comment 12352098 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Draft Combine Measurements
Jerian Grant: 6'7.5" wingspan -- 8'4" standing reach -- 198 lbs
Hardaway Jr: 6'7" wingspan -- 8'5" standing reach -- 199 lbs


Do you mean that in a good way or bad way?

Tim looks every bit the NBA shooting guard. He is exactly the kind of draft pick that fans love on draft night because he looks like he should be a good player. And then you find out that he doesn't really do a whole lot.

Grant seems to actually be a basketball player.
All those PGs  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:00 pm : link
were better than Calderon at 33. Again, there's always a year you can point and say "yeah this PG declined and never returned". Guys like Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson had bounce back years late in their careers. When is that the case with a PG? And we are assuming Calderon is at 100% now, which is probably a very false assumption. Stretching him could be the difference between 1 and 2 max contracts.
.  
Anakim : 7/1/2015 7:01 pm : link
Arye Abraham ‏@aryeabraham1 7m7 minutes ago
Sources: LaMarcus Aldridge is very likely to strike a deal with the San Antonio Spurs.
Oh, I don't blame him one bit  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:02 pm : link
It must be a blast for him. Everyone wants to feel loved. But I put zero stock into him seriously considering the Knicks.

That's not me being a pessimist either, I think the Knicks have a really good shot at getting Monroe.

Osi, I think it's impressive that a guy with legitimate PG skills has the size of a prototypical SG.
Tim hardaway was an inefficient chucked in college  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:02 pm : link
That rode the coat tails of trey Burke en route to the championship game. Grant was by far the best player on notes dame for good 4 years and was fundamentally sound on both offense and defense.
The one positive NY  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/1/2015 7:04 pm : link
can offer Monroe that other teams can't, is that Monroe is young enough that if they offer him a max, that even if the Knicks stink, it's still NY and so he'll still get plenty of exposure.
RE: The one positive NY  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:06 pm : link
In comment 12352108 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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can offer Monroe that other teams can't, is that Monroe is young enough that if they offer him a max, that even if the Knicks stink, it's still NY and so he'll still get plenty of exposure.


That's making me worry even more that we are going to lose him.
wel Monroe is the Spurs backup plan for Aldridge  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/1/2015 7:10 pm : link
so let's hope Aldridge picks the River Walk
Spurs will get Aldridge  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 7:12 pm : link
I'd be more concerned with the Lakers or Portland sniping him.
RE: All those PGs  
Deej : 7/1/2015 7:12 pm : link
In comment 12352101 giantsfan44ab said:
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were better than Calderon at 33. Again, there's always a year you can point and say "yeah this PG declined and never returned". Guys like Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson had bounce back years late in their careers. When is that the case with a PG? And we are assuming Calderon is at 100% now, which is probably a very false assumption. Stretching him could be the difference between 1 and 2 max contracts.


I dont know what your point is anymore. You said essentially that only transcendent PGs are good after at age 33 and later. That's not true. Yes PGs often decline around this age. As for Calderon last year, he was hurt.

But guarantee whatever you want. There is no accountability on the internet anyway.
My ideal realistic scenario  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:13 pm : link
LMA to Spurs, Monroe to Knicks, and DJ to Mavs. Which leaves LA (Clips and Lakers) completely and utterly face fucked.
Why did the Spurs dump Splitter  
Deej : 7/1/2015 7:14 pm : link
if LMA wasnt already in the fold? Doesnt add up. I 99% think Aldridge is being a dick and wasting people's time.
Dumb question that has probably been covered  
bigbluehoya : 7/1/2015 7:14 pm : link
Is it known what Monroe is waiting for?

A specific meeting yet to take place? Or is every team viewing him as the 3rd domino behind LMA and Jordan, and he agrees/complies?

Forgive me, haven't been very well tuned in today...
I just meant that Grant could play SG in the NBA  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 7:15 pm : link
if Hardaway could. Or atleast defend them atleast as well since he has the same size and probably better instincts.
aren't ideal and realistic scenarios mutually exclusive  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:15 pm : link
the ideal scenario is that Aldridge chooses the Knicks imo. The more realistic scenario is we sign Monroe.
RE: aren't ideal and realistic scenarios mutually exclusive  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:16 pm : link
In comment 12352124 Torrag said:
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the ideal scenario is that Aldridge chooses the Knicks imo. The more realistic scenario is we sign Monroe.


You still win dumb comment of the day.
Paul Pierce 3 year deal  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:16 pm : link
With clippers. DJ coming back?
I'm sure most players don't care  
BigBlueShock : 7/1/2015 7:16 pm : link
but winning a championship with the Spurs at this point is kinda, meh. They've been there done that without you. Again, I'm sure most players don't look at it that way, but wouldn't be a ton more special to take a team that hasn't won in 40 years to the promised land?

It's stupid, fan talk, I'm fully aware. But he can be a footnote in San Antonio, or be a legend in NY. It's not enough to sway him, but I wish it was.
RE: Dumb question that has probably been covered  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 7:17 pm : link
In comment 12352120 bigbluehoya said:
Quote:
Is it known what Monroe is waiting for?

A specific meeting yet to take place? Or is every team viewing him as the 3rd domino behind LMA and Jordan, and he agrees/complies?

Forgive me, haven't been very well tuned in today...


Monroe had multiple team meetings scheduled. He's not done yet.
AGF  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:17 pm : link
You write like a 2nd grader and that is being generous.
RE: I just meant that Grant could play SG in the NBA  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 7:18 pm : link
In comment 12352123 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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if Hardaway could. Or atleast defend them atleast as well since he has the same size and probably better instincts.


Everybody says he's a committed defense, and he has the functional size to be good at it. I thought the actual lone concern about Grant was that he was a pass first, pass second, shoot 3rd PG.

Can he shoot well enough to be an NBA 2?
what's the deal with Bargnani?  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/1/2015 7:19 pm : link
he's an UFA, right? Are the Knicks intending to bring him back?
Thanks, TTH  
bigbluehoya : 7/1/2015 7:19 pm : link
.
I get what you are saying bigblue  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:19 pm : link
But I sure as hell hope Phil isn't in there saying "yeah you'll probably win a 'ship in San antonio but that's not that cool. How bout winning one in NY?".

Even if we had no shot at him, it's kind of demoralizing, even if it's true.
RE: AGF  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:19 pm : link
In comment 12352130 Torrag said:
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You write like a 2nd grader and that is being generous.


You sound upset, you should go back to that thread where you get to fondle tight nutsacks or whatever you were ranting about.
Or should we entertain your optimal probable scenario next?  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:20 pm : link
dumass...
RE: Dumb question that has probably been covered  
Deej : 7/1/2015 7:20 pm : link
In comment 12352120 bigbluehoya said:
Quote:
Is it known what Monroe is waiting for?

A specific meeting yet to take place? Or is every team viewing him as the 3rd domino behind LMA and Jordan, and he agrees/complies?

Forgive me, haven't been very well tuned in today...


Unknown. He had 4 teams on his initial list -- NY, LAL, POR, MIL. May meet with more. Things are probably complicated by the fact that he may seek a 1+1, 2+1, or 3+1 deal. So he may be weighing 1+1 in NY vs 2+1 in NY 2+1 in LA (etc.). Then factor in the fact that he probably wants to see what other moves these teams are lining up. Does he want to sign in LA if they sign a pure center (Robin Lopez)? Needs to learn the plan for the team (if any) and meet the coach etc.
Wanna borrow a thesaurus?  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:20 pm : link
it might help.
If we are nit picking  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:21 pm : link
The ideal scenario would be that we would sign LeBron James. Or Julius Randle, since he's much more of a known commodity than anyone else on the market.
RE: I get what you are saying bigblue  
bigbluehoya : 7/1/2015 7:22 pm : link
In comment 12352134 giantsfan44ab said:
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But I sure as hell hope Phil isn't in there saying "yeah you'll probably win a 'ship in San antonio but that's not that cool. How bout winning one in NY?".

Even if we had no shot at him, it's kind of demoralizing, even if it's true.


That wasn't my angle (I really didn't have one) but needless to say I can agree with the hope.
nitpicking is one word dumass  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:22 pm : link
LOL
You really burned me there...  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:23 pm : link
Not sure how I will recover.
I'm sorry illiteracy is a serious issue  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:24 pm : link
I shouldn't mock you. Need a tissue?
RE: nitpicking is one word dumass  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:24 pm : link
In comment 12352146 Torrag said:
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LOL


God dammit. We argued Adam Levine and now we are pointing out grammar issues. Can this stop? Or can something happen with the Knicks already?
I'll vote for Knicks news  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:25 pm : link
moving on...
RE: I'm sorry illiteracy is a serious issue  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:26 pm : link
In comment 12352150 Torrag said:
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I shouldn't mock you. Need a tissue?


After the "insults" you've thrown at me, I'll need a little more than a tissue.

I hope Kennedy is right for once  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 7:32 pm : link
says Shumpert is signing with Cavs 4 ears 40 million HHAHAHAHAHAHA
AND IT IS!!!  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 7:33 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 39s40 seconds ago
Iman Shumpert has agreed to a four-year, $40M contract to remain with the Cavaliers, league source tells Yahoo.
Good for Shump.  
wigs in nyc : 7/1/2015 7:34 pm : link
Geez.
RE: AND IT IS!!!  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:35 pm : link
In comment 12352161 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 39s40 seconds ago
Iman Shumpert has agreed to a four-year, $40M contract to remain with the Cavaliers, league source tells Yahoo.


Torrags performance on this thread and that contract merit the same response



I can't believe how awful of a contract that is.
RE: AND IT IS!!!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 7:35 pm : link
In comment 12352161 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 39s40 seconds ago
Iman Shumpert has agreed to a four-year, $40M contract to remain with the Cavaliers, league source tells Yahoo.


Lmao.
I think Harris at the max sounds a lot more reasonable now  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 7:35 pm : link
Than it just did 5 minutes ago.
we all know Lebron is stayin but...  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 7:37 pm : link
if he bailed now that city might riot.
Shumpert is not a 10 million dollar a year player  
blueblood : 7/1/2015 7:41 pm : link
no way on any planet in any currency..
How would  
TommyWiseau : 7/1/2015 7:42 pm : link
Harris work with Melo? Harris seems like a poor mans Melo in the limited games I saw him in?
According to broussard  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 7:43 pm : link
Knicks showing interest in Ellis
Wouldn't take shump  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:43 pm : link
Over Tony Allen. Allen can't shoot but he can give you high energy instead. It's not like shump hits 3s when it counts anyways.
My God, Lebron should get a billion dollars if Shump gets $10M.  
yatqb : 7/1/2015 7:43 pm : link
Wow.
RE: How would  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:43 pm : link
In comment 12352174 TommyWiseau said:
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Harris work with Melo? Harris seems like a poor mans Melo in the limited games I saw him in?

Not about the fit it's about the talent.
Wonder where he is going  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 7:44 pm : link
David West ‏@D_West30 6m6 minutes ago
Thanx Indy for giving me a chance...Thanx for the support over the last 4 years...Luv is Luv....
Nets may cut Williams  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:45 pm : link
If they can't take a partner. I'm sure he'll go after a title team but I'd do everything possible if it was just a min contract.
"Monta Ellis  
Ash_3 : 7/1/2015 7:47 pm : link
got it all."
RE: Nets may cut Williams  
djm : 7/1/2015 7:53 pm : link
In comment 12352184 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
If they can't take a partner. I'm sure he'll go after a title team but I'd do everything possible if it was just a min contract.


Deron Williams? Fuck no. Once a dog always a dog.
No word on West  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 7:54 pm : link
Yet...
and with that Shump deal  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 8:01 pm : link
we just hit Peak Free Agency Madness. WTF? I think he's a nice player who still has room to grow but the list of things he can do is FAR outweighed by what he can't.
10 million a year for a 3rd world country man's Tony Allen  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 8:04 pm : link
.
LeBron wont burn them this year  
Deej : 7/1/2015 8:05 pm : link
but he'll only take a 1+1, and maybe the same next year. If this experiment fails, he could totally blow town in two years
RE: LeBron wont burn them this year  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 8:06 pm : link
In comment 12352209 Deej said:
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but he'll only take a 1+1, and maybe the same next year. If this experiment fails, he could totally blow town in two years

with even decent injury luck they're a lock for the finals. They're already stacked, and they still haven't even traded Haywood for a useful player.
Losing in the finals twice  
Deej : 7/1/2015 8:09 pm : link
would be a failure. I think he'd blow town if that happens.

And I hate the idea that a team is a lock for the finals. It seems that way, but it so often doesnt prove out.
Itll be a while till im recalibrated  
wigs in nyc : 7/1/2015 8:09 pm : link
to these new world numbers.
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 8:10 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 16s16 seconds ago
Yahoo Sources: Two small market teams have made significant inroads in the pursuit of free agent Greg Monroe: Milwaukee and Portland.
.  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 8:11 pm : link
Iman Shumpert is making 1 million less than Stephen Curry, think about that for a second..
If he's intent on taking up 30%  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 8:12 pm : link
of somebody's cap next summer, it's going to be very difficult for anyone to offer a better chance at winning then Cleveland.
Shumpert is a $10M player now?  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/1/2015 8:12 pm : link
Cant wait for the next NBA lockout...you would think some of these multi-million dollar Front Office idiots would learn from past history.
We've been slamming our hams all day here.  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 8:13 pm : link
Give me a crumb, Phil. A morsel of news.
At this point  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 8:14 pm : link
I'd spend 12 mill a year for Wesley Matthews without batting an eye.
RE: Losing in the finals twice  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 8:15 pm : link
In comment 12352213 Deej said:
Quote:
would be a failure. I think he'd blow town if that happens.

And I hate the idea that a team is a lock for the finals. It seems that way, but it so often doesnt prove out.


Go bet on it. 1 to 2 odds for the Cavs to come out the east. If you're right, you can make a lot by taking the field.
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 8:19 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 48s48 seconds ago
Sources: Suns have legitimately closed the gap in pursuit of LaMarcus Aldridge. Tyson Chandler, perimeter talent. They're a real factor.
Can the Suns keep Bledsoe and sign LMA?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 8:29 pm : link
.
Woj just trolling the Knicks now  
Deej : 7/1/2015 8:29 pm : link
POR and MIL made inroads with Monroe, and Chandler a draw for Aldridge. Cant make this shit up.

It's probably unfair, but if we lose Monroe to MIL then we can just retire any notion that the modern NBA player considers N.Y. to be a mecca or good place to play.
Just read  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/1/2015 8:29 pm : link
David West to the Knicks.

@ghassemnba

Anyone know this guy?
RE: Losing in the finals twice  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12352213 Deej said:
Quote:
would be a failure. I think he'd blow town if that happens.

And I hate the idea that a team is a lock for the finals. It seems that way, but it so often doesnt prove out.


He's not leaving. And disagree a million percent on losing in the finals twice there being some failure. The thinking behind things like his never hold up to a second of actual thought. Just making the finals this year with the team he made it with, and then giving the eventual world champions the toughest series they had on their way to a title while playing with crap (tougher than any series they got in the west) was an amazing accomplishment. The whole losing in the finals being worse than not getting there is the dumbest thing ever, like literally. The. Dumbest. Thing. Ever.

If the Cavs don't win a title next year they'd be disappointed. But the notion that it's some epic failure and would lead Lebron to bolt is silly.
RE: Just read  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12352248 Doubledeuce22 said:
Quote:
David West to the Knicks.

@ghassemnba

Anyone know this guy?


He has 11 followers do not see it...
RE: Just read  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 8:37 pm : link
In comment 12352248 Doubledeuce22 said:
Quote:
David West to the Knicks.

@ghassemnba

Anyone know this guy?

he's got 11 follows on twitter, so he's gotta be legit.

I asked him for numbers  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/1/2015 8:38 pm : link
And he said not sure. Hearing 2-3 years with possible option. Could be a troll but looks like his other tweets were all good...
Just telling you what I read  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/1/2015 8:39 pm : link
Wasn't saying it happened. Relax.
RE: I asked him for numbers  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 8:40 pm : link
In comment 12352261 Doubledeuce22 said:
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And he said not sure. Hearing 2-3 years with possible option. Could be a troll but looks like his other tweets were all good...


He is not sure because he is guessing based on previous rumors...

He sees the tweet David West made and now is assuming he is signing somehwere so he in turn makes a tweet saying he is signing with the Knicks...

If he gets it right he can say see i have sources gets it wrong he will say team jumped in last minute...

Same shit Incarcerated Bob does...he guesses based on rumors and hopes he is right..
So Marshall  
Deej : 7/1/2015 8:44 pm : link
you think if LeBron makes 3 straight finals and loses that it's gonna be all good? You think that a guy who bolted once because they couldnt win a title is just gonna embrace being the living embodiment of the Buffalo Bills, and stick around at age 32-33 to try a 4th time? All good?

Maybe. He'll get savaged either way. It's purely hypothetical. But I think the rings are going to be very important to him, specifically getting closer to Kobe and MJ. I also think there is a chance that team takes a bad, bad turn. I dont like Shump or TT. Love and Irving have very selfish streaks.
Watching NBA TV  
Deej : 7/1/2015 8:47 pm : link
Zeke dropping knowledge on how to get free agents. Just want to punch at the TV
RE: Watching NBA TV  
blueblood : 7/1/2015 8:53 pm : link
In comment 12352274 Deej said:
Quote:
Zeke dropping knowledge on how to get free agents. Just want to punch at the TV


I just hate seeing his face on TV
Deej  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 8:53 pm : link
He left Cleveland the first time because the roster was absolute dogshit. He left Miami because they were the oldest team in the NBA, and his sidekick (who has a knee held together by duct tape) was injured in 3 consecutive playoff runs. The load he was being asked to carry there was absurd. No one else has been asked to lead a team in scoring, rebounding and assists while also being their defensive stopper, and oh yea your sidekick is just gonna sit 1/3 of the regular season for precautionary reasons, that's just built into the cake

This is not his situation in Cleveland at present time, unless they are wholly decimated by injury as they were last postseason. This is his strongest and deepest cast ever. It's not easy to just to shopping for a decisively better situation, not to mention he probably loves the power they allow him to wield, which likely isn't something he can find elsewhere

Lastly using the Bills as some dirty word is just a notion I fundamentally disagree with. Next, he already has 2 titles in the bank and a window that is still open. If they lost in the finals for a 3rd straight time and casual fans/idiots want to beat on him for it despite the fact that the previous two teams (14 Miami, 15 Cavs) get nowhere near the finals without him, then they are as I described them. Let's just bash him for overachieving and taking flawed/injured casts to the finals

RE: Watching NBA TV  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 9:00 pm : link
In comment 12352274 Deej said:
Quote:
Zeke dropping knowledge on how to get free agents. Just want to punch at the TV

I'd love to hear the tale about how he convinced Jared Jeffries to come to the big apple when he had dozens of other teams begging to sign him.
WI journo  
Deej : 7/1/2015 9:06 pm : link
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cfgardner ‏@cf_gardner 28m28 minutes ago

Hearing Bucks pitch to free agent Greg Monroe impressed the 25-year-old center. Bucks selling coach Kidd, new owners, young talent.
101 retweets 61 favorites
Deej  
arniefez : 7/1/2015 9:08 pm : link
maybe the modern day NBA player has figured out they want no part of Dolan since they can get the same or more money from other owners. The Knicks have been a laughing stock all of their basketball lives. Phil Jackson is already half way out the door. Isaiah is on deck. Anthony is 31 injured and cares more about playing in the All Star game than winning. Can you imagine Magic or Michael or Lebron delaying surgery, sitting out regular season games so they could play in the all star game? The only players willing to take Dolan's money were Amare who had no other options and Anthony who gutted the team to take it the first time and when he had a chance to leave took it again. Maybe the modern NBA is smarter than I gave them credit for.
Just to add  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 9:11 pm : link
The whole notion than he needs to get "closer to Kobe" is something for people with feeble basketball minds to banter about. That's purely ring count nonsense. For people who look at the game one step above that level of laziness, Lebron surpassed Kobe a little bit back. He's clearly been the better player, he has a least 5 seasons more impactful than Kobe's best speaking conservatively. Peak for peak it's not particularly close. Kobe was never even the clear cut the best player in the league. From a strictly ring count perspective, Lebron already has as many as "the man" as Kobe does.

The one and only argument for Kobe's career over Lebron was longevity, but as Lebron keeps piling MVP-ish years on top of each other and Kobe was essentially done being an impact player 2 years ago, that argument is now no longer even applicable.
RE: Watching NBA TV  
Anakim : 7/1/2015 9:12 pm : link
In comment 12352274 Deej said:
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Zeke dropping knowledge on how to get free agents. Just want to punch at the TV


"If we had Isiah, we would've signed LeBron"
....  
yankees78 : 7/1/2015 9:13 pm : link
Quote:

@bkravitz: Basically West opted out because he didn't feel the Pacers could compete for a title this year or in the near future. Wants to win now.

@bkravitz: West said the rumors about him going to the Knicks are ridiculous; he wants to be with a contender; the Knicks don't qualify.

@bkravitz: Not the reason he left, but West was very annoyed at the way the Pacers, specifically Bird, took shots at Hibbert during post-season presser

Surprised  
Jon in NYC : 7/1/2015 9:15 pm : link
at Monroe's market.

I bet we end up with Afflalo at like 3/30.
RE: ....  
blueblood : 7/1/2015 9:16 pm : link
In comment 12352343 yankees78 said:
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@bkravitz: West said the rumors about him going to the Knicks are ridiculous; he wants to be with a contender; the Knicks don't qualify.




awesome cause that is a player I didnt want anyway
Wish we could sign Lopez and Matthews  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 9:17 pm : link
and tell Monroe to enjoy Milwaukee. Those two, plus the two first round picks, would be a nice offseason haul.
Can someone please type up a synopsis of the days  
yesplease : 7/1/2015 9:18 pm : link
News/Deals/Rumors?

The length of this thread is overwhelming...in a good way!

Please and thank you
Koufos  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 9:22 pm : link
I'm not seeing much of anything on him and potential visits, and now it looks like he won't be back in Memphis after the wright move. Has anyone seen anything?

He's going to be a steal for someone at the right price
....  
yankees78 : 7/1/2015 9:23 pm : link
Quote:
@IanBegley: Carmelo to @TinaCervasio on Kristaps Porzings: "I'm just looking for someone who can stretch the floor for me & I know he can do that."

http://www.msg.com/teams/knicks.html?vid=2670931753 - ( New Window )
Marshall  
Deej : 7/1/2015 9:23 pm : link
So Im feeble minded because I think theres a value to counting championships. Because thats not what the players do. Because Phil doesnt flash his rings and Ewing doesnt get shit for not winning.

Whatever. Im sorry I hypothetically cast aspersion on the object of your obsession.

hahaha this woman is a riot  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 9:25 pm : link
@BaxterHolmes: Seems the Lakers have deleted their tweets recruiting LaMarcus Aldridge to LA, such as the one w/ Adam Levine:

@ramonashelburne: It's one thing to be told no. But not good form to embarrass an organization. That's what's happening here

LMAO she's ripping Aldridge for embarrassing the Lakers because of the reports that he wasn't impressed by them.

As a Rockets fan I realized what an annoying homer she was during the Dwight sweepstakes, and everything she's done since then has just validated my feelings on her.

Windhorst is a joke, comes off as a LeBron stalker. But Ramona is easily more annoying and a homer of epic proportions.
Deej  
MarshallOnMontana : 7/1/2015 9:28 pm : link
My obsession is more a fight for intelligence than a fight for Lebron per say. I didn't mean to call you feeble minded, but if as an objective observer you view Kobe as a better player than Lebron than I'm sorry, the shoe fits.

Team sport. Individual player. Oddly an incredibly hard thing for some to grasp. Just like losing in the finals is worse than not getting there, because then you have the Coodies like the Buffalo Bills. Lebron just happens to find himself on the other end of some stupid arguments.
ESPN's NBA crew  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 9:28 pm : link
is even worse than its NFL crew, if you can fathom that. Wilbon and Tim Legler are the only two I can bear to listen to.
she should be thankful  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 9:28 pm : link
nobody in the Laker front office is in a wheelchair. She might jump off a bridge.
Haven't seen Koufos' name anywhere.  
wigs in nyc : 7/1/2015 9:28 pm : link
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RE: hahaha this woman is a riot  
Deej : 7/1/2015 9:30 pm : link
In comment 12352396 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
Quote:

@ramonashelburne: It's one thing to be told no. But not good form to embarrass an organization. That's what's happening here


I agree with this. It's very unprofessional.
What's  
Jon in NYC : 7/1/2015 9:31 pm : link
the deal with Kyle O'Quinn?
RE: RE: hahaha this woman is a riot  
Enzo : 7/1/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12352408 Deej said:
Quote:
In comment 12352396 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


Quote:



@ramonashelburne: It's one thing to be told no. But not good form to embarrass an organization. That's what's happening here

I agree with this. It's very unprofessional.

reminds me of when Windhorst was tweeting stuff like "LeBron has changed. I don't recognize him anymore" or something ridiculous like that during 2010. It's like the exact opposite of all the Knick writers.
RE: Deej  
Deej : 7/1/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12352402 MarshallOnMontana said:
Quote:
My obsession is more a fight for intelligence than a fight for Lebron per say. I didn't mean to call you feeble minded, but if as an objective observer you view Kobe as a better player than Lebron than I'm sorry, the shoe fits.

Team sport. Individual player. Oddly an incredibly hard thing for some to grasp. Just like losing in the finals is worse than not getting there, because then you have the Coodies like the Buffalo Bills. Lebron just happens to find himself on the other end of some stupid arguments.


You're a really tiresome troll. Just pretend like I dont exist. My posts are for other people.
is it LMA's intention to embarass the Lakers  
wigs in nyc : 7/1/2015 9:33 pm : link
simply by mentioning the contingent sent to romance him?
that's BS Deej  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 9:33 pm : link
any other team and it's a non-story, it's literally the story of the Knicks. But the Lakers PR machine is a fucking joke and Shelburne is one of the very worst.
Yeah  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/1/2015 9:34 pm : link
Guy is a troll. Sorry.
RE: ESPN's NBA crew  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 9:39 pm : link
In comment 12352403 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
is even worse than its NFL crew, if you can fathom that. Wilbon and Tim Legler are the only two I can bear to listen to.


Al-Hassan seems to be among the few there that speak common sense. Idk if you consider Ryen Russillo part of the "NBA crew", but he doesn't spit out what the typical opinion is and backs up everything he says with facts.
I wonder if Knicks try to close  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 9:39 pm : link
Lopez tonight to bring him to meeting with Aldridge tomorrow...Aldridge supposedly loved playing with Lopez
RE: that's BS Deej  
Deej : 7/1/2015 9:40 pm : link
In comment 12352424 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
Quote:
any other team and it's a non-story, it's literally the story of the Knicks. But the Lakers PR machine is a fucking joke and Shelburne is one of the very worst.


I dunno any backstory. I just know that LMA could have just as easily released info that he's down to Team X and Y. Instead it was put out there that LA's pitch was focused too much on foofy LA shit. I think it was meant to embarass the team, and he comes off as a tacky (or is getting fucked by sources).

I also think the whole presentation thing is a bit ridiculous. Does he need them to explain who Kobe is, or make up something about Russell and Randle? I mean he's in their fucking division for gods' sake. You cant win with some of these players. You talk all basketball and then they dont know if it's a good city to raise kids. Or you have guys like LeBron and Cano and Amare etc. who plainly have a lot more interest in businessy stuff.
agree to disagree  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 9:43 pm : link
but I think you're 100% wrong. The Lakers' PR machine is worse than the Red Sox PR machine, it's an utter joke. "Join us or we'll rip you".
RE: I wonder if Knicks try to close  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12352446 nygiants16 said:
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Lopez tonight to bring him to meeting with Aldridge tomorrow...Aldridge supposedly loved playing with Lopez


I was thinking that, too. I've been hoping the Knicks raid as much talent as they can from Portland. Lot of pieces there that would fit perfectly here.
RE: agree to disagree  
Deej : 7/1/2015 9:46 pm : link
In comment 12352456 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
Quote:
but I think you're 100% wrong. The Lakers' PR machine is worse than the Red Sox PR machine, it's an utter joke. "Join us or we'll rip you".


Well I mistakenly said they were in the same division, so it wouldnt be the first time I was wrong.
I agree with you  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 9:47 pm : link
on the Aldridge "tour" aspect of it. I understand wanting to see all your options, but at some point these guys have to cut this crap and be honest with FA.

Aldridge apparently is going to cut his choices down to 3 teams (Spurs, Suns?, Rockets?) and meet with those 2 teams again. Come on dude, only LeBron gets to do that because he's LeBron.
Osi  
Deej : 7/1/2015 9:48 pm : link
maybe I dont understand. How did the Lakers rip LMA?
Ramona Shelburne is a Lakers homer always on ESPN  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 9:53 pm : link
she ripped on Aldridge for disrespecting the Lakers. She has a history of being the biggest homer of any team of any sport on ESPN. The Lakers' media machine has a history of being absurdly snobby.

The Lakers are the Supermodel who has no idea how to take the answer "no" from a guy they want. When they hear "no", they tell all their girlfriends that the guy has herpes.
Lakers PR machine  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/1/2015 9:54 pm : link
I should say.
Suns would be an interesting spot for him  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 9:58 pm : link
they'd have to shed bledsoe but still

Chandler and Tucker are solid defensive players. Get the Morris twins to switch off at the 3. Can even go small with Markieff at the 5, its given them success. Booker, Warren, Morris and Len off the bench. Not a terrible deal.
although  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 9:59 pm : link
that team isn't that much different than Portland now that I think about it.
Wait until next year  
DCOrange : 7/1/2015 10:01 pm : link
Knicks are better off just sucking until next year rather than sign the also rans just to justify doing something. Willing to bet that they put themselves back into cap-hell by throwing stupid money at mediocre guys. No one worth long term dollars is coming to NY - maybe Monroe and even he receives mixed reviews. Aaron Afflalo? Robin Lopez? Just suck it up and suck so more because signing these guys with a quickly aging Melo would be a disaster.
There is no next year. There's no savior in next years FA  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2015 10:04 pm : link
Just get good players.
RE: Suns would be an interesting spot for him  
Deej : 7/1/2015 10:10 pm : link
In comment 12352501 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
they'd have to shed bledsoe but still

Chandler and Tucker are solid defensive players. Get the Morris twins to switch off at the 3. Can even go small with Markieff at the 5, its given them success. Booker, Warren, Morris and Len off the bench. Not a terrible deal.


I'd sooner trade off the Morris twins and/or Len to make room. TC, LMA, Bledsoe, Knight as the core.
If they're looking for a dumping ground for  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 10:12 pm : link
those 3, my arms will be wide open.
It's so tough being a Knicks fan  
GMEN46 : 7/1/2015 10:13 pm : link
It's really starting to wear on me. I was counting down the days to the draft lottery in January and the days comes and pure disappointment dropping to the 4th pick. Then I counted down the days until the draft and while I am not ready to call it a disappointment because I think Kristapas could be good, but I am just not that excited about him. I have spent the last 48 hours on bigblue and hoopshype pumped for the start of free agency and not a peep. I even got excited about adding west on the cheap for two years, but then We find out West has not interest in coming to NY. I already know how this story ends because it never changes. It ends with pure disappointment tomorrow when Monroe signs with Milwaukee, deandre resigns with the Clippers or the Mavs, LA signs with the Spurs and the Knicks end up overpaying for Afflalo and a bunch of other below average players. I have tried to stay optimistic about this, but Its been rough. And after they strike out tomorrow we will then learn next week that Kristapas will not play in summer league. Melo will ask for a trade in November, but will not be fully recovered from the knee and will start slow so Phil will trade him for 20 cents on the dollar. We will end up with top 5 worst record and to rub it in the pick we traded away will be the #1 pick and someone in next years draft will establish themselves as the best prospect since Lebron James. Yup sadly that is how I think about this team and organization. Luckily I am a Giants and Yanks fan. I could not imagine being a mets and jets fan also.
I dont think they do  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 10:15 pm : link
but Knicks must think the have some chance at Aldridge or Jordan if they are holding off on Monroe or other players...

Phil and Mills both said they would use back channels to see if players were really interested or if they were just using New York and would not waste their time...

Just a thought
Someone hacked Isola's twitter  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 10:16 pm : link
Frank Isola ✔@FisolaNYDN
I know Knick fans are freaking out but some guys who signed elsewhere Phil wasn't getting anyway...and some of the others you don't want.
Next years  
TommyWiseau : 7/1/2015 10:16 pm : link
FA crop stinks. Hopefully we can land Jordan or Lopez/Matthews
I think it's just wonderful to see the Lakers getting shamed  
mfsd : 7/1/2015 10:20 pm : link
That franchise has acted like a bunch of arrogant jerks for decades

I've always liked that Isola  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/1/2015 10:21 pm : link
.
"SNY Isola" must've tweeted that.  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 10:24 pm : link
"ESPN Isola" will destroy Phil on the air tomorrow.
Biggest fizzle of the day so far  
Deej : 7/1/2015 10:26 pm : link
has been the idea that guys were going to take 1+1 and 2+1 deals to get back on the market soon. Lots of 4-5 year deals.
David West's comments are hilarious considering that those  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2015 10:45 pm : link
rumors were most likely started by his own damn agents.
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 10:54 pm : link
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 20s21 seconds ago
The Warriors have agreed to terms on a five-year, $85 million deal with their free agent forward Draymond Green, a source told Yahoo.
Also  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 10:54 pm : link
Asik close to a deal with Pelicans
This free agency period is weird  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2015 10:56 pm : link
usualy players wait for the big fish to get signed and then everyone else signs....this free agency everyone is just signing and the teams going after Aldridge or Jordan or Monroe are going to get left at the altar with no one to sign if they do not get the big fish
RE: This free agency period is weird  
Deej : 7/1/2015 11:01 pm : link
In comment 12352632 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
usualy players wait for the big fish to get signed and then everyone else signs....this free agency everyone is just signing and the teams going after Aldridge or Jordan or Monroe are going to get left at the altar with no one to sign if they do not get the big fish


Yes, but the fact of the matter is you can maxing out Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe. You can probably win maxing you own guys over the cap, ala the Cavs. Can you win paying $15 million per for a 3 and D player? Because that's what's going on. I get that there is inflation, but did you see anyone winning by paying $8 million for those guys last year? That cap didnt double (even next year it wont fully double vs. 2014-15).
the Cavs  
MookGiants : 7/1/2015 11:05 pm : link
are going all out. Shumpert at 4/40 is nuts, the guy simply isn't any good. He shot like 10% from 3 feet and in in the NBA finals (or something close to that). Garbage player who is overrated defensively.
Still a lot of useful viable options available for us  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 11:18 pm : link
Some others could shake loose as teams spend big on free agents. I'd rather get the right guys on the right deals or do nothing than make bad moves.

Sacto dumping  
Deej : 7/1/2015 11:21 pm : link
Landry, Stauskus, and Thompson on Philly "for a pursuit in free agency". Per Woj/Twitter.

Get for Philly there is Stauskus.
I've come to really appreciate other teams  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:21 pm : link
In the NBA. I can't watch baseball team outside the yanks for the life of me. If they suck, I can't do baseball. With Aldridge going to the Spurs in all likelihood and Duran/Ibakat (hopefully) healthy with Kanter, and Davis with a competent coach, and Jordan and Pierce with the clips, and Lebron/Kyrie/Love take 2 and of course the Warriors, there is some powerhouse basketball that can keep me at ease while the Knicks suck (runon intentional).
Funny thing is everyone is freaking out  
Stu11 : 7/1/2015 11:23 pm : link
and virtually not one big fish has signed. The guys we'd target either re-upped with their teams- Dr. Green/Da. Green or were grotesquely over paid- D. Carrol 15 mill (anyone wishing the Knicks shelled that out? anyone?) I get it that the market has gone crazy with the cap escalating, but that doesn't mean you have to add to it. There are still better deals out there, if not this year then next. Sure Monroe may go elsewhere and we probably don't have a great shot at all at Aldridge/Jordan. However there are plenty of guys like Koufos/Lopez etc...out there that can help. Draft night really sold me on Phil. Not that Porz is a guaranteed star or anything, but it showed me that Phil is looking to build a winner. Not just make headlines or go the safe route. He knew damn well that pick would get boo'd that night. He's not going to lock us into crappy long deals just to say "look we signed someone."
I'm not seeing the Knicks  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2015 11:24 pm : link
Making moves like Baron Davis, mike bibby or Andrea bargnani so there's some solace in that. It's the little victories.
Good post, Stu.  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2015 11:31 pm : link
Phil has been discrete, but so far he's kept his promises. He said he wouldn't make the Stoudemire mistake of overpaying his fourth or fifth option, and I take him at his word.
RE: I'm not seeing the Knicks  
blueblood : 7/1/2015 11:35 pm : link
In comment 12352675 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
Making moves like Baron Davis, mike bibby or Andrea bargnani so there's some solace in that. It's the little victories.


Agreed.. Better to be smart than trying to make a splash..
Oh and another thing I'm as guilty as anyone living of these writers  
Stu11 : 7/1/2015 11:44 pm : link
and their speculative tweets. However one thing I've learned since the summer of 2010 is that these guys no shit. They tweet all kinds of crap when the big guys visit teams but they speculate a different direction every few hours. I know its like searching for a drink in the desert and it's all we have but they really are mostly full of shit until its actually an announcement of an agreement. That having been said if we lose out to the Bucks for a guy like Monroe this re-build may take even longer than I thought lol.
GMEN46 at 10:13  
Lurts : 7/1/2015 11:47 pm : link
Quote:
It's so tough being a Knicks fan


it could be worse.

Imagine if Shump's shot off a rebound falling out of bounds at the buzzer in Game 1 had fallen.
The thing I have learned in free agency is this  
blueblood : 7/1/2015 11:50 pm : link
its FREE agency.. The player is FREE to do whatever they want..
blueblood  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 11:52 pm : link
That was inspirational. Really needed to be said....
Shump's shot  
Lurts : 7/1/2015 11:55 pm : link
nearly heard around the world.


Link - ( New Window )
RE: Sacto dumping  
Anakim : 7/1/2015 11:58 pm : link
In comment 12352668 Deej said:
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Landry, Stauskus, and Thompson on Philly "for a pursuit in free agency". Per Woj/Twitter.

Get for Philly there is Stauskus.


AND a protected first rounder AND the right to swap first rounders in two drafts.



Fuck. Philly is going to be absolutely sick. Imagine if they draft Ben Simmons next year.
Anak  
MookGiants : 7/2/2015 12:00 am : link
if Ben Simmons was standing in front of you with his hog hanging out you wouldn't have any clue who he was.
the Kings are just an idiotic franchise  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/2/2015 12:19 am : link
I don't know who is running things there, but their fans deserve better.
Osi  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/2/2015 12:27 am : link
from Woj:

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Most believed Ranadive had hired Divac in a ceremonial position, but the owner quickly decided to usurp general manager Pete D'Alessandro's authority to place Divac in charge.

D'Alessandro left the Kings for a front-office job with the Denver Nuggets two weeks ago. Around the draft, several front-office executives and player agents expressed frustration about dealing with Divac on instances involving the trading and drafting of players. Divac is largely unfamiliar with the collective bargaining and salary-cap rules, causing him to struggle with grasping the machinations of negotiating and completing deals.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--kings--john-calipari--kentucky-195614697.html - ( New Window )
haha  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/2/2015 12:49 am : link
can't make that up. That team is ridiculous, and apparently they want to add Rondo. Rondo/Cousins/Karl/Vlade/Vivek is a match made in heaven.
I used to feel bad for the Kings  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 12:59 am : link
Now I'm starting to think they deserve this.
As crazy as yesterday was...  
Italianju : 7/2/2015 6:58 am : link
today should be just as nuts since we should see the big name guys sign. Both Jordan and Aldridge finish up meetings today and at least jordan had been rumored to want to finish things up quickly. Monroe is probably waiting for Jordan and/or Aldridge to sign. Should be a big day for the Knicks to see if they have a real shot with Jordan and if not if they lock up Monroe. After the Lakers pitch got destroyed id be curious to see how the Knicks pitch is perceived.
there was some tweet that sited West  
hitdog42 : 7/2/2015 7:14 am : link
as saying the knicks rumors are not credible and he is looking to sign with a contender-
RE: As crazy as yesterday was...  
TheMick7 : 7/2/2015 7:45 am : link
In comment 12352746 Italianju said:
Quote:
today should be just as nuts since we should see the big name guys sign. Both Jordan and Aldridge finish up meetings today and at least jordan had been rumored to want to finish things up quickly. Monroe is probably waiting for Jordan and/or Aldridge to sign. Should be a big day for the Knicks to see if they have a real shot with Jordan and if not if they lock up Monroe. After the Lakers pitch got destroyed id be curious to see how the Knicks pitch is perceived.


Today's Daily News has an article on FA Day #1 & in it talks to Melo at a Red Bulls game in NJ. "We haven't heard anything yet on the Knicks.I'm waiting for my phone to go off right now so I can hear some good news, but it's a waiting game.You see guys are signing up early right now and I think this free agency will be done in a short time" So why is he in NJ when other superstar(s) are completely involved in the recruiting process? Does Phil think he'd be a deterrent?
RE: Anak  
Anakim : 7/2/2015 7:51 am : link
In comment 12352708 MookGiants said:
Quote:
if Ben Simmons was standing in front of you with his hog hanging out you wouldn't have any clue who he was.


True
Ramona Shelburne says Afflo will sign 2 yr deal w/Knicks  
TheMick7 : 7/2/2015 7:51 am : link
$16M 2nd yr his option
Afflalo  
TheMick7 : 7/2/2015 7:51 am : link
.
Wow  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2015 7:52 am : link
that's actually a steal at the current rates.
2 years 16 mil  
TommyWiseau : 7/2/2015 7:56 am : link
Is my kind of deal. I was against Afflalo if it was 12+ per year but this I can deal with even if it may be a one year rental
RE: RE: Sacto dumping  
BurberryManning : 7/2/2015 10:23 am : link
In comment 12352707 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 12352668 Deej said:


Quote:


Landry, Stauskus, and Thompson on Philly "for a pursuit in free agency". Per Woj/Twitter.

Get for Philly there is Stauskus.



AND a protected first rounder AND the right to swap first rounders in two drafts.



Fuck. Philly is going to be absolutely sick. Imagine if they draft Ben Simmons next year.


If you're scoring at home the Sixers have the following assets of value:

Embiid, Okafor (star potential)
Noel (all-star potential)
Stauskas, Saric (harder to project)
Covington, Hollis Thompson (cheap & signed for years)

Sixteen draft picks in the next four drafts, including eight 1st rounders and two "pick-swaps" (which increase the lottery odds)

Whether you agree with the premise of tanking or otherwise, the Sixers have are not half-assing this rebuild
Stauskas sucks  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/2/2015 10:32 am : link
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RE: Stauskas sucks  
BurberryManning : 7/2/2015 10:54 am : link
In comment 12353064 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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He's a 21 year old that was picked 8th in last year's draft..I'd say he at least has a chance to lead a productive career.
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