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In comment 12350656 MarshallOnMontana said:

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But seriously considering Orlando is so random. I just checked to see if he has any ties to the area at all, and he doesn't. More power to him though, I think anyone who is willing to look past current W/L records could see that Orlando is stockpiling an impressive talent base down there and could be a playoff team as soon as next year, even if Millsap ultimately decided against them

Maybe he likes the Southeast?

has a lot to do with his interest. I like Millsap and have been prepared for the massive contracts, but that one is still crazy to me. If you are offering him max money it shouldnt be for max years to.

I'm under the assumption that he could get that money in more than just Atlanta and Orlando, but I'm obviously not in contact with his agent

if we get Jordan too. I assume he wants to be a center.

At a certain point, the knock on his defense gets a little bit over-stated. I believe someone posted some analysis the other day that suggested he does just fine on defense when he is defending the 5 and gets owned when he is playing the 4. Especially until Zinger grows into his body a little bit more, and given Zinger's superior athleticism, Monroe ought to be defending the 5 (if he indeed does end up a NYK)and Porzingis the 4.

In a rapidly rising cap environment, if you're paying $15m per year for 15 and 10 on 50% shooting and 70+% from the stripe, you're doing just fine. These may be unsexy numbers for a second option on offense, but he's only the second option in year 1 (and perhaps not even then), if things go well....

Greg Monroe is getting a bit of a bad rep. He's a very good player. Have wanted him since last year.

He's a good athlete. He moves comfortably in his body, which is no where near a given with guys of his size. Very coordinated. Those traits have made him a force on the offensive end and on the boards. It could also help him on the defensive end with the right help.

here with Jordan. I dont think his issue in DET was having Drummond there. That said it would be very hard to fit them both in and depending on the length of contracts we would have a lot invested in bigs with 2 max deals and the 4th pick. I wouldnt be against it thought as a Melo, Monroe, Jordan frontline is awesome.

In comment 12350677 Big Rick in FL said:

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Quote: RT @Chris_Broussard Sources: Danny Green has agreed to a 4 year, $45 million deal with the Spurs

Not a horrible deal considered the rumored contract of Afflalo approaching 12-14 mil per.

In comment 12350656 MarshallOnMontana said:

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But seriously considering Orlando is so random. I just checked to see if he has any ties to the area at all, and he doesn't. More power to him though, I think anyone who is willing to look past current W/L records could see that Orlando is stockpiling an impressive talent base down there and could be a playoff team as soon as next year, even if Millsap ultimately decided against them

Yeah same here, I thought he was from Louisiana and checked to make sure he was. Born, raised and attended college there. I know Orlando is exciting and I am happy for them if he goes there, but it kinda stinks seeing Atlanta just hit 60 wins and still isn't an attractive spot for even their own guys. You wonder what else Atlanta can do. At least they are well coached and I am sure they'll find one way or another to hit 50 wins again this year. I think they'll end up taking on David Lee and whatever pick GS gives them.

i would have loved Green at that deal. This would have to mean no LA for SA right? I know these deals arent official and they can still work off the cap holds of Leonard/Green but i dont see how the money works with keeping all of them unless they have deals to dump both Diaw/Splitter.

Spurs will need to get rid of Splitter to get a deal done with Aldridge...

In comment 12350671 MarshallOnMontana said:

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I'm under the assumption that he could get that money in more than just Atlanta and Orlando

the Orlando offer is the only one that's been reported so far and there's only so many teams with max cap room, especially once LMA and Jordan decide. If there's another team willing to go 4/80 for him it would be somewhat surprising.

Josh Smith really hurt the numbers he was able to get. He put up like 18 and 10 when Smith got cut and he won't have to fight for post possessions with a guy like Drummond anymore, although we have Melo here.

Another underrated aspect of his game is playing the passing lanes. 1.2 steals per game doesn't do it enough justice, but he does have good hands and great BB IQ.

In comment 12350679 bigbluehoya said:

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At a certain point, the knock on his defense gets a little bit over-stated. I believe someone posted some analysis the other day that suggested he does just fine on defense when he is defending the 5 and gets owned when he is playing the 4. Especially until Zinger grows into his body a little bit more, and given Zinger's superior athleticism, Monroe ought to be defending the 5 (if he indeed does end up a NYK)and Porzingis the 4. In a rapidly rising cap environment, if you're paying $15m per year for 15 and 10 on 50% shooting and 70+% from the stripe, you're doing just fine. These may be unsexy numbers for a second option on offense, but he's only the second option in year 1 (and perhaps not even then), if things go well....

I think that was me. All his rate statistics (both offense and defense) are better at the 5. Even his block rate, although he's still not good enough to qualify as a rim protector. You can look it up on 82games.com.

It's the place Shaq and Dwight spurned to spread their wings in bigger markets. It's also the place Tmac and Grant Hill flocked to (almost Tim Duncan too, people forget how close he was in summer of 2001). Now they look to be in on Millsap. They are both crappy small market and free agent potential hot spot at the same time. There's not another city like it in the league in my view. Great weather, shit market.

and most strippers per capita. Orlando has its' charms.

In comment 12350693 giantsfan44ab said:

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Not exactly a bold statement. He averaged 16 and 10 this season. You're basically saying he can score one more basket a game.

indicates they are closing the door on Aldridge. I mean they had to show they are committed to building a good roster around him, so if anything, its a step towards them land LA. If Green bolted, that would've been a scary sign for Aldridge.

But yeah, now SA has to move Splitter and maybe even Diaw. I'd rather have Splitter; I wouldn't mind absorbing his contract. If we could stretch Calderon, we'd have $6-7 mil to work with.

19-11 sounds right to me. He's going to be so much more free at his natural position, and out of an environment he hates.

I hope Green in SA means LA in LA, since the Lakers are maybe the biggest competition for Monroe.

I was responding to the comment that Monroe was a "15 and 10 guy". Although its only 3 more points I feel like 18 as opposed to 15 nowadays is the difference between the 2nd and 3rd best scorer on a good team.

In comment 12350681 Italianju said:

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here with Jordan. I dont think his issue in DET was having Drummond there. That said it would be very hard to fit them both in and depending on the length of contracts we would have a lot invested in bigs with 2 max deals and the 4th pick. I wouldnt be against it thought as a Melo, Monroe, Jordan frontline is awesome.

If we stretch Calderon and the cap is 2 mill more, it may not be impossible to sign both (at least in theory).

Melo,Monroe and Jordan/LMA would be a team that could make some serious noise in the East.

That's true too

More than any other NBA city, the beauty of Orlando is in the eye of he beholder.

not sure if the whole strippers thing is a selling point...or is it?

How are the school systems there?

Aldridge to the Spurs is gonna happen

Depending on the team we were to put out, he'll improve his stats. On a team with DJ and Melo, he'd be something like a 20-8 guy IMO. A team without DJ and he's more of a 19-11 guy as someone else just said.

is gonna be fun next season.

Splitter traded to Hawks...you would think they wouldnt trade unless they had a pretty good idead Aldridge was coming

In comment 12350714 MarshallOnMontana said:

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That's true too More than any other NBA city, the beauty of Orlando is in the eye of he beholder.

The no state income tax is a big draw for any Florida team, but you're right. Unless you're a player with kids the allure of Orlando is kind of nil.

his numbers would go down with DJ. If you got O'Quinn who is a mid-range shooter, that would maximize his points/efficiency in the post. But there's no point in that debate right now, gotta see who we actually have a shot at. I think its going to be LA to the Spurs and don't think we have a legit shot at DJ.

Seamless transition right into the Leonard/Aldridge era. Freaking annoying.

has transitioned into what personal aspects of Milsap's live will be embraced by a move to Orlando. Looking forward to the press conference to find out what it was!

is a lock, but its def still a strong possibility. After resigning Leonard, Green, Duncan, Joseph, etc.. they prolly would want to shed some salary anyway.

Monroe was a 17.9 PER guy at PF and a 26.8 PER guy at C last year. Notably, not a huge difference in what opposing PFs and Cs did against him (C's did a bit better at 19.9 PER vs 18.0). But (1) overall net -.1 PER as a PF and +6.9 as a C, and (2) the great Andre Drummond allowed a similar 19.2 PER to opposing Cs.

I really think he'll break out with ~33 mpg at C.
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I watched Monroe as a PF or maybe not enough period, but the stats and a lot of the posters here seem to think he'll be a decent defender at C which makes sense given his size and physicality. He's an excellent passer too which is important here since neither Melo or KP are great facilitators from the post.

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go but this could make Carroll more likely to be gone from ATL. Not sure exactly how i feel about him at 10 mill a year though.

(I don't get the Monroe connection)

Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it.
11:51am - 1 Jul 15

solid shooter and defender, would allow Monroe to play C.

I know Dan's in on O'Quinn, lets start sending petitions to MSG!

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 59s60 seconds ago
Spurs are walking into the LaMarcus Aldridge meeting right now, armed with Danny Green, cap space and frontrunner status on luring Aldridge.

In comment 12350746 DanMetroMan said:

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(I don't get the Monroe connection) Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it. 11:51am - 1 Jul 15

Why does it make monroe to knicks less likely? Don't get that connection. Because Portland wants him now?

That Hawks-Spurs trade might have opened the door on #Knicks bringing in Carroll.
11:52am - 1 Jul 15

only thing i can think of is that he thinks the Lakers might get Monroe since LA wont go there. I dont get that at all.

I like Carroll a lot, but it would be scary to pay big money to a late bloomer kinda guy.

In comment 12350746 DanMetroMan said:

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(I don't get the Monroe connection) Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it. 11:51am - 1 Jul 15

Maybe he thinks the Lakers have the inside track on Monroe after missing out (potentially) on Aldridge?

Is local, rugged and can shoot. Do it

In comment 12350732 EricNY33 said:

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In comment 12350714 MarshallOnMontana said: Quote: That's true too More than any other NBA city, the beauty of Orlando is in the eye of he beholder. The no state income tax is a big draw for any Florida team, but you're right. Unless you're a player with kids the allure of Orlando is kind of nil.

Eric, that's not what I was meaning to convey. I was saying it's interesting how mixed their free agent history has been, there's really no parallel to them. They are the organization who hasn't been able to retain the 2 best players they've ever had, yet they've also attracted guys like TMAC and Grant Hill who were both mega free agents at the time. Almost nabbed Duncan too.

In comment 12350746 DanMetroMan said:

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(I don't get the Monroe connection) Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it. 11:51am - 1 Jul 15

I think this means Carroll is going back to Atlanta now.

Will be Zingers bodyguard yes!

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 2m2 minutes ago
My read on Hawks taking Splitter ($8.5m) into cap room is bye-bye DeMarre Carroll.

Id rather carroll then Afflalo. I dont really know why, but i would, ha.

In comment 12350746 DanMetroMan said:

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(I don't get the Monroe connection) Splitter trade tells me LMA to SA more likely. Makes Monroe to Knicks less likely. Makes Carroll to Knicks more likely. I think that's it. 11:51am - 1 Jul 15

Schmeelk sucks?