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Do the Giants consider JPP a premire pass rusher in the NFL?

superspynyg : 7/1/2015 9:17 am
If so then why do they delay in signing him to a long term deal? Has there been any news on talks at least? Are they waiting for? Are they happy letting him play on a one year franchise tag deal? I only ask due to the long term signing deadline is in 2 weeks and it would cost them 14.78 million for him to play under the tag. They could lower that number to say 10 mil per year if they sign him to a long term deal.
I think 10 a year is overly optimistic  
ron mexico : 7/1/2015 9:21 am : link
I think JPP is looking for Charles Johnson or higher type of money
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They know he can be when he's  
Enoch : 7/1/2015 9:31 am : link
healthy and motivated.

The question is how much trust they feel they can place in his work ethic and spine.
NYG is playing this correctly  
JonC : 7/1/2015 9:37 am : link
and it's about putting the onus on JPP to perform at a level that correlates to the contract he desires. JPP has often not been that performer.

He's going to play on the Tag this season.
He's a tricky one because his performance has been uneven  
UberAlias : 7/1/2015 9:39 am : link
In 2011 he was great. '12 and '13 he was not the same player. Last year was good, especially against the run, but possibly not elite, which is likely what he is asking for. Considering the size of the contract he is likely looking for, you have to be cautious because you can really cripple your cap with deals like that, and in this case you are paying, in part, for potential.

The reality is, you sometimes have to overpay for guys like this, because there aren't many of them out there, and you also have to take a bit of a leap of faith on the player and his commitment once the $$ is already in the bank.
Uber is right  
BillT : 7/1/2015 10:08 am : link
I love the guy but he has been up and down. Of course, he had back surgery so it's not like there wasn't good cause and he came around last year as he should have but he needs to show another year of that to get the top deal he wants.
The Obviously aren't sold on him  
ZogZerg : 7/1/2015 10:22 am : link
for the price he is asking.
in my opinion no one is worth that much  
grizz299 : 7/1/2015 10:36 am : link
except a QB.

Tying up that much money in one player makes no sense, it makes you hostage to an injury, JPP at 14 mil. is not as good as say three very good players at 5 mil. each.
There was an article several weeks back  
Beer Man : 7/1/2015 10:40 am : link
where JR refereed to him as such
I thought that he had a good year last year  
JohnB : 7/1/2015 10:54 am : link
but put up numbers against bad teams. In big spots last year, like against Dallas, where the Giants needed someone to step up and make a big play at the 4th quarter, JPP was nowhere to be found. And as everyone said, '12 and '13 he wasn't a huge factor.

His talent says that he is a top flight player but it doesn't translate to the field enough to warrant a top DE payday.

He plays with a tag in 2015 and walks after that, regardless of how well he plays.
every week  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2015 10:56 am : link
the same thread, and the same replies, LOL.

We should sticky it.
Assuming  
AcidTest : 7/1/2015 11:15 am : link
he stays healthy, my guess is that he has a very good year, and leaves for more money. Which is fine. It's a violent game. Every player should get what they can. But I do think this is his last year with the Giants. Even with the cap going up, we have a lot of players to resign, starting with Eli.
If he has a good year, he will probably get an offer higher than  
732NYG : 7/1/2015 11:30 am : link
the Giants would be willing to pay. If he has a bad year, we will probably let him go, or at least extend a lowball offer that he'll balk at. I think this is JPP's last year in Blue.
Budget is set  
djstat : 7/1/2015 11:42 am : link
The budget is set and NYG expected him to count $14.78 million. It a short term commitment based on the fact he has had ONE great season (2011), little impact in 2012, 2013 and most of 2014. His sack numbers in 2014 are inflated after the team was eliminated from playoff contention and against garbage offensive lines.

Let me ask you this, why would you want the team to make him one of the top five paid DE in the league? He is not even close to top 5, and I am not sure I consider him top 10
I think he's top 10  
mrvax : 7/1/2015 11:54 am : link
when you account with stopping the run also. It's a tough call. A case can be made for why did the Giants bother to franchise him this year, suspecting this year would be his last here?

$15M is a lot for 1 season even if he plays well. It's up to OO and Moore to show they can step in. Moore really needs to get better vs. the run. This will be his 3rd year in the NFL so I hope he's strong enough to hold the POA.

Some team will pay JPP a fortune. I wouldn't. 2 real good players at $7M per would probably help more than JPP alone.
How in the world  
Doomster : 7/1/2015 12:22 pm : link
do you pay a guy 15M, if you don't "think" he is a premier pass rusher?

Problem is, JPP is a double edged sword....
Unless he’s a QB,  
Tony in Tampa : 7/1/2015 12:33 pm : link
The apparent feeling from NFL GMs, not just Reece is that if the player is not top five at his position (and for a DL that means a gamer wrecker, unblockable, someone who must be accounted for even double teamed on every play...so not JPP) he can be replaced.

Teams are tight up against the cap and a lot of players, especially guys on the LOS suffer some significant injury during their first contract that can impact their play under a second contract. GMs want a hometown discount or at least to resign them at what the team see as market value. If that player demands premium money, he can be franchised until the team finds a replacement and then he can walk.

Unfortunately they are interchangeable parts in the NFL.
I agree with mrvax and djstat. He's not worth it. He's not a game  
Victor in CT : 7/1/2015 12:46 pm : link
changer on his own. He had his best year with Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Canty playing at a high level.

A very good, but not great player. You can't pay him top 5-10 money. As mrvax said, pay 2 guys $7MM per each.
They much because they offered to pay him as such this year  
Mason : 7/1/2015 1:24 pm : link
But it isn't just JPP waiting for a big long term deal either. I'm still waiting to see if Eli and his agent get what they think they deserve from the Giants. I'm not so sure no matter what Tom Condon said. If he was truly confident he wouldn't have to reassure himself in public like he did a couple of weeks ago.
much=must  
Mason : 7/1/2015 1:25 pm : link
..
I think they tagged him...  
Klaatu : 7/1/2015 1:35 pm : link
Because they weren't prepared to replace him...yet. Next year could be a whole different story.
IMO, this is a situation where both sides need to decide  
UberAlias : 7/1/2015 1:46 pm : link
they want to make it work. If JPP is dead set on cashing in he won't be returning. And if the Giants let him walk they save some cap space but they also create a very big problem for themselves. JPP is the prototype for what this team looks for at the most important position on that side of the ball.

How much time left to make another run with Eli? The quickest path to get there would be to lock JPP up and hope Spags can rebuild the next generation of our pass rush with Odi and Moore alongside. But you exit him and that point suddenly looks much much further away. There are things in place already on the offensive side, outside of needs at OL, but it is the guys up front who make it work on the other side of the ball. Moving him also probably means investing more high draft picks at the position which could otherwise address other needs. I say this because you aren't finding that kind of pass rushers in the FA market without spending the cash, if any are available at all, and let's not forget, the top rookie pass rushers are often more 3-4 LB types, so that ain't easy either.

IMO, this is a situation where you may just have to over pay a little due to the significance/fit/importance to your team.
I haven't heard anyone refer to him as  
MTN-G-man : 7/1/2015 4:03 pm : link
"The Kraken" in a long time. So there s that
Isn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/1/2015 4:09 pm : link
the Kraken, Greg Hardy?

I've heard a lot about him...

A healthy and committed JPP is an elite DE  
Torrag : 7/1/2015 5:10 pm : link
He accomplishes that by combining both pass rushing and run defense at a high level.
Ive come to the conclusion that JPP = Ron Dayne  
Shockwave : 7/1/2015 7:21 pm : link
Lets be realistic...its been almost 5 years now, what we have seen is what we are going to get. The guy is just not going to flash out of nowhere and start putting up 15+ sack seasons consistently.

All this hype of JPP is reminding me of the Ron Dayne years where every single damn off season everyone would get excited, and to top it off he was seemingly a all pro during the preseason games! Then of course, once the season rolled around he was horrible as usual.

I am not saying JPP is as a big of a disappointment in anyway compared to what Ron Dayne was, but the off season talk about him is just as high as usual. If he disappoints this season, how many more will you deal with and still promote him as some elite football player.

I am not ready to give up on him yet completely, but if he doesn't post 10+ sacks this year and be strong in the run game as he was last year then I think its time for him to go. Either way, if he has a poor season he is still going to command a lot more money than he is worth on the open market. I guess if the Giants see what they are liking out of him by mid-season they will work something out, if not then he is as good as gone.



We have reached a new level of stupid  
KWALL2 : 7/1/2015 8:42 pm : link
on BBI....

JPP = Ron Dayne

Unfortunately for you there isn't a delete button here because that is the dumbest fucking thing I have heard on BBI. Maybe somebody has topped it. Maybe somethingin the early years. I've only been here since 2001. But that kind of comparison is a rare kind of stupid.
"15+ sack seasons consistently"  
KWALL2 : 7/1/2015 8:50 pm : link
That is even better.

Who the hell in your lifetime puts that up "consistently"?

Strahan had 3 15 sack seasons in his career.

Richard Dent had 2.

Neil Smith had 1.

Howie Long not even one.

But that JPP slacker can't do it consistently. Clealry he's Ron Dayne.

JPP = Rone Dayne  
stretch234 : 7/1/2015 9:48 pm : link
You have to love this.

T. Suggs will go to the HOF and has 1 year over 12 sacks, none at 15

J. Peppers has had 2 seasons over 12 none at 15

M. Williams has no 15 sack seasons and in his last 7 years been over 12 twice

R. Mathis had 1 yr over 11.5

D. Freeney in the yr after his lone 15 sack season had more than 11 once in the next 10 years

J. Abraham had 1 year over 13 sacks

L. Oneil 2 yrs over 12 and 1 15 sack season

J. taylor did it once and still had only 6 of 15 yrs over 9.5

C. Haley had 1 season over 12.5
He will play out his deal and walk for big money  
SGMen : 7/1/2015 10:11 pm : link
i truly expect this to happen IF he wants #2 or #3 DE in the league money. My pal Mike knows him and he told Mike that the Giants "quit" vs Seattle last year. Mike took it to mean JPP quit too. He is a laid back guy mostly and the fear may be if he is paid big the desire to excel may not be there.

I don't know but my hope is he plays well this year and the Giants make the right decision on him. If we get a #3 comp pick for him so be it.
klaatu  
fkap : 7/2/2015 6:56 am : link
the sad part is:

why weren't they prepared to replace him? It was pretty obvious he was declining from his peak. It was pretty obvious he was going to want huge dollars based on his peak. It's glaringly obvious now that they're not sold on him because they're shelling out 15 mil on a show me deal instead of paying him long term.

the other side (Tuck/kiwi) was getting old and declining.
It's a position they value and spend a lot of ka-ching and high draft picks on.

so, how come the Giants look so flat footed when it comes to DE options?

more and more, it seems this Giants regime spends it's time putting out brush fires instead of getting ahead of the game or is incompetent in getting ahead of the game.

I think the bigger question is ......  
nicky43 : 7/2/2015 8:23 am : link
Should they consider JPP a top pass rusher? They probably don't know yet and after 4 years that tells me that he is not. He's really only got one season (his first) in the NFL when he played top notch all season long and then there have been too many sub par games played on his part to drive home the point that he is indeed top notch.

If I'm rating him on what he's shown so far I rate him as an average player who can sometimes surprise with exceptional play. So I agree with those saying the Giants are playing their cards right with JPP.
fkap  
Klaatu : 7/2/2015 8:33 am : link
The Giants have three young DEs on their roster that they're developing - Wynn (24), Moore (23), and Odighizuwa (23). They also have a couple of veteran DEs on the roster - Ayers (30) and Selvie {28). That doesn't sound "flatfooted" to me; sounds more like a team preparing for Life After JPP if it comes to that. But preparation takes time, and the Giants bought themselves a season's worth by tagging him. $15 million is a relatively small price to pay for stability this year and a smoother transition away from him if he walks.

Nothing is as obvious as you claim, other than the idea that JPP - still only 26 - is going to want top dollar, which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Rather than "declining from his peak," 2014 was his best season since his monster 2011. A healthy, motivated, in-shape JPP could put up even bigger numbers in 2015. Still, though, the Giants have questions when it comes to locking him up long-term for big money, and I don't blame them. If they're going sign him to a contract comparable to (or better than) what the top-tier DEs are getting, I'm sure they'd like to see him come to camp in shape (which he hasn't always done), stay healthy and motivated, play smart football, and maintain or increase the level of production he gave them last year.

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more and more, it seems this Giants regime spends it's time putting out brush fires instead of getting ahead of the game or is incompetent in getting ahead of the game.


Statements like these are just plain silly. What team doesn't have its share of "brush fires" in the offseason? Do you think the Patriots were happy to have to replace their entire secondary? Do you think the Seahawks aren't concerned about keeping Wilson? Do you think the Cowboys are happy that Bryant is making a lot of noise about his future, short-term and long-term? How about the Chiefs and Justin Houston? Is everything hunky-dory in Philly and Washington? Pity the poor Broncos who lost not only their starting LT, but the TE they drafted to replace Julius Thomas. I could go on and on but it would be pointless. Anyone who writes something like that has already made up his mind about the Giants' front office.
who is the second DE?  
fkap : 7/2/2015 9:10 am : link
there's a huge question mark.

right now we have no idea who can man the other end, or whether they'll pan out, let alone replace JPP. there's a lot of hope, but there's a lot of room for disappointment, too.

The Giants are very much flat footed right now. The anchor on the line is a guy who they don't even know if they want to commit to long term. you said it yourself. they're shelling out 15 mil this year because they're not ready to replace him.

2014 was a rebound year for him. that means he was declining from his peak. the Giants got a better year from him and they still don't know if they want him.


no team is ever going to be 100 % ahead of the game. but we've had a lot of years of the core eroding through very meh drafting. thus we're bringing in FA Ol, RB, CB, LB, pretty much everywhere. that's what I mean by fighting brushfires. Our original plans for continuity are routinely failing.
Moore is a guy who only saw the field when every other option was carted off on a stretcher. Maybe it's unreasonable to expect more from a second year guy, but that's life in today's NFL. He's a high draft pick who we have hopes for, but very few people are definitively predicting him being a solid starter. the talk overall on the DE position is JPP, and a lot of rotation second string/borderline first string/potential but who knows if the potential will ever be attained. When there were a couple of years of JPP questionable years, Tuck/Kiwi getting older, being in the DE position we are now is flat footed.
......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 7/2/2015 9:12 am : link
The defense is a lot worse without him. If he has a similar season this year to last you gotta pay him
fkap, I said they're not ready to replace him...yet.  
Klaatu : 7/2/2015 10:08 am : link
Which is why they tagged him. They bought themselves another year to see how their younger guys develop while keeping him on the team, because right now they're better with him than without him. They still have a season to play, you know. You seem to criticize the Giants for being prudent. Would you rather have them just let him go for nothing? Or would you rather have them sign him to a mega-deal when they still have reservations about him? It's not that they don't want to keep him - I'm sure they do. It's a question of what it's going to cost to keep him, and what kind of return they can expect for a major investment. The Chiefs are in a similar situation with Houston, and so are the Cowboys with Dez. Are they flatfooted, too, or is it just the nature of the business?

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no team is ever going to be 100 % ahead of the game. but we've had a lot of years of the core eroding through very meh drafting. thus we're bringing in FA Ol, RB, CB, LB, pretty much everywhere. that's what I mean by fighting brushfires. Our original plans for continuity are routinely failing.


You could replace "very meh drafting" with "an inordinate amount of catastrophic injuries," but you won't because you're just looking for things to bitch about. Except for the Packers, I'd say the Giants are on par with the rest of the league when it comes to free agent activity, and their recent drafts are looking pretty good. But what do you know about the Giants' "original plans for continuity," and what does that mean, anyway?

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Moore is a guy who only saw the field when every other option was carted off on a stretcher. Maybe it's unreasonable to expect more from a second year guy, but that's life in today's NFL. He's a high draft pick who we have hopes for, but very few people are definitively predicting him being a solid starter.


If a 3rd round pick never amounts to more than a situational pass-rusher and core special-teamer, I'd say the Giants got good value for him. Still, your assessment of him is pretty lame. Per snaps played, Moore was very productive, and if the issue with his shoulder is behind him, I expect that production to increase.


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the talk overall on the DE position is JPP, and a lot of rotation second string/borderline first string/potential but who knows if the potential will ever be attained. When there were a couple of years of JPP questionable years, Tuck/Kiwi getting older, being in the DE position we are now is flat footed.


Why wouldn't the talk be about JPP? He's the best DE on the team and his future is in question. As for the rest of the DEs that you so cavalierly dismiss, you don't know what you have until the games are played. Guys like Wynn, Moore, and Odighizuwa may exceed their potential or they may not, but they'll all have their opportunities and it's up to them to make the most of those opportunities. That's why they were drafted/signed while JPP was still on the team. That's also why the Giants signed Ayers and Selvie, who may not be in JPP's league talent-wise, but have shown that they can play in this league.

But you still accuse the Giants of being caught flatfooted, so tell me, what would you have done in JPP's "declining years" to avoid that? Who would you have drafted? What free agents would you have signed? How would you have prepared for Life After JPP?
I'm not criticizing the Giants for  
fkap : 7/2/2015 10:45 am : link
slapping the tag on him. like you said, it buys them a year. a very, very expensive year, but it buys them time.

I agree that the team is better with him than without him. short term. long term remains to be seen.

I am criticizing them for not knowing what they have. it's what 5 years? they don't know what they have?

what would I have done? drafted a replacement. you need one for one side at minimum. I'm not NFL management material. I recognize that it's not as easy as that. but I also recognize that the Giants are not really doing that great of a job of it. which is why JPP has them over a barrel. which means I'm agreeing with you. I'm not quite sure why we seem to be in an argument when I agree with you. they don't have a replacement for him. they don't know if they want to commit long term. there are question marks at DE. even if JPP were signed long term, there's still a question on the other side. this is an area of emphasis for the Giants. and there's questions about JPP and questions about who is going to man the other side. maybe I'm over expecting what should have happened, or overselling why I expected it. but the bottom line is that DE is one huge question mark. we saw this coming. we don't know what will happen come september.
fkap, we're arguing...  
Klaatu : 7/2/2015 11:47 am : link
Because you said the Giants were caught flatfooted with JPP, while I contend that they've been preparing for his potential departure for the past two years - drafting Moore in 2013, signing Ayers and Wynn in 2014, drafting Odighizuwa and signing Selvie in 2015 - not to mention what they might do in the draft and/or free agency in 2016. Tagging him is a part of that preparation and it doesn't matter what the cost is - it only matters that he's on the team in 2015.

It's not a question of the Giants not knowing what they have in JPP after five years. The question is do they want to lock him up long-term on their terms or his? There are also forces in play beyond the Giants' control. See the other thread where Suh's and Robert Quinn's contracts are being discussed, along with J.J. Watt's (and I'd throw Cam Jordan's in there, too). Like every other team, the Giants do not have infinite resources at their disposal, so the correct allocation of what resources they do have is paramount. Clearly, the Giants want to keep him, since they've already put an offer on the table. It's also clear that in light of some other recent signings, JPP wants more than the Giants are willing to pay him. Whether or not they can strike a happy medium remains to be seen. In the meantime, even if they can't come to an agreement on a long-term deal in the next two weeks, he'll most likely sign his tag and play out the year...a year where it would be well worth his while to be as dominating as he can be.

You keep asking questions about the other DEs, but these questions can only be answered by seeing how they play in 2015. So, you would have already drafted JPP's replacement? Who? Other than the DEs they've already drafted (or signed), who else would you have drafted (or signed), and who would you not have drafted to add another DE? What would you have done to avoid being held over a barrel by JPP? Would you just prefer to meet his demands? If that's the case, then say so.
Well clearly the do and didn't let him leave via FA  
The Tempest : 7/2/2015 3:02 pm : link
It is the reason why they franchise tagged him. You don't pay the average DE $14.78 million to play for one season. As far as contracts are concerned, they are taken care of at the discretion of the NY Giants. There is no rush to get the deal done now.
The flashes  
TMS : 7/2/2015 3:24 pm : link
of potential and ability I have seen. make me see him as another Peppers or better if he wants it bad enough. So YES because not that many come around. More potential than Strahan or any other defensive player beside LT. Hope he sees the light.
Big question is:  
Doomster : 7/2/2015 3:24 pm : link
If this team does not make the playoffs this season, was it worth it to pay him 15M, and possibly lose him next season?

I just find it hard to believe that he would risk a season where he may get injured or have an "average" year.....I think he signs by the July whatever deadline.....
RE: Well clearly the do and didn't let him leave via FA  
SGMen : 7/2/2015 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12353978 The Tempest said:
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It is the reason why they franchise tagged him. You don't pay the average DE $14.78 million to play for one season. As far as contracts are concerned, they are taken care of at the discretion of the NY Giants. There is no rush to get the deal done now.
I think the Giants would LOVE to get JPP done long-term but only if it is at a fair price. Remember, JPP was down 2012 thru early 2014. He really doesn't warrant the kind of money he imagines in his head.

There is a lot of "hype" in the NFL and 2011's performance and pub still has some weight since JPP is very young still. I just don't think he's worth the $14 million we are paying him for one year BUT also understand why we are doing it (leverage for future) so only time will tell.

I mean, if during camp he is showing well and looking positive do you approach his agent with a slightly better deal? The NFL is full of injuries so big money today may be worth more than big money next year (theoretically anyway....)??
SGMen  
Klaatu : 7/2/2015 4:30 pm : link
The Giants and JPP have to agree to a long-term deal before July 15. After that, both sides are locked into him playing the year for the tag number. They can't negotiate a new deal until the 2015 season is over.
RE: RE: Well clearly the do and didn't let him leave via FA  
The Tempest : 7/3/2015 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12354054 SGMen said:
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It is the reason why they franchise tagged him. You don't pay the average DE $14.78 million to play for one season. As far as contracts are concerned, they are taken care of at the discretion of the NY Giants. There is no rush to get the deal done now.

I think the Giants would LOVE to get JPP done long-term but only if it is at a fair price. Remember, JPP was down 2012 thru early 2014. He really doesn't warrant the kind of money he imagines in his head.

There is a lot of "hype" in the NFL and 2011's performance and pub still has some weight since JPP is very young still. I just don't think he's worth the $14 million we are paying him for one year BUT also understand why we are doing it (leverage for future) so only time will tell.

I mean, if during camp he is showing well and looking positive do you approach his agent with a slightly better deal? The NFL is full of injuries so big money today may be worth more than big money next year (theoretically anyway....)??


I have no idea what kind of numbers he is looking for. Obviously he wants to make more money and he should get it. Need to see another full solid season from him. I consider 2011 a career highlight and not a yearly expectation. He is young enough to post those kind of numbers again.
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SGMen : 7/3/2015 5:22 pm : link
In comment 12355415 The Tempest said:
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In comment 12353978 The Tempest said:


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It is the reason why they franchise tagged him. You don't pay the average DE $14.78 million to play for one season. As far as contracts are concerned, they are taken care of at the discretion of the NY Giants. There is no rush to get the deal done now.

I think the Giants would LOVE to get JPP done long-term but only if it is at a fair price. Remember, JPP was down 2012 thru early 2014. He really doesn't warrant the kind of money he imagines in his head.

There is a lot of "hype" in the NFL and 2011's performance and pub still has some weight since JPP is very young still. I just don't think he's worth the $14 million we are paying him for one year BUT also understand why we are doing it (leverage for future) so only time will tell.

I mean, if during camp he is showing well and looking positive do you approach his agent with a slightly better deal? The NFL is full of injuries so big money today may be worth more than big money next year (theoretically anyway....)??



I have no idea what kind of numbers he is looking for. Obviously he wants to make more money and he should get it. Need to see another full solid season from him. I consider 2011 a career highlight and not a yearly expectation. He is young enough to post those kind of numbers again.
If JPP posts 2011 type numbers or better, he'll be hotly pursued in free agency. The question with JPP is if he is paid big will he remain motivated? Maybe year one but what about beyond? That is always a fear of mine when it comes to paying for someone coming off one great season: how bad does he truly want it?

Eli is a no-brainer to retain and he will be paid. But if JPP put up a 16 sack, solid run defend year with some highlight real forced fumbles and/or interception do we try to keep both him, Eli and Prince? I'm not so sure. Something has to give I'd think??
Regarding JPP  
The Tempest : 7/4/2015 2:24 pm : link
If he puts up numbers like 2014, he will still be hotly pursued in free agency. There are very few players on the roster that the team is committed to. They can easily afford to keep Manning, JPP and Amukamara long term. Giants might also decide to let Amukamara walk as frustrating as that potential outcome may be.
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