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What Are The Knicks Doing? 142,27125 Kyle Wagner Filed to: LOLKNICKS 7/01/15 7:35pm What Are The Knicks Doing? Im just going to list some things the Knicks are doing. The Knicks wanted to sign LaMarcus Aldridge. But LaMarcus made them wait until last to meet with him. They will see him tomorrow, maybe. The Knicks think they can sign Greg Monroe, and met with him last night. Monroe is a fine offensive player but will have to play alongside a 19-year-old who is very thinand also Carmelo Anthonyand he is one of the worst defensive big men in the league. The Knicks like his butt. The Knicks would like to get Wes Matthews to play in the triangle, and presumably defend the perimeter. Wes Matthews is thinking it over while he recovers from a torn Achilles tendon, a bad injury for a guard. The Knicks are meeting with Arron Afflalo tomorrow. Afflalo was a Portland Trail Blazer last year. He shot well from three and on spot-ups in general, but was well below average at every other facet of the game, per Synergy Sports. The Knicks are expected to offer Afflalo in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million. The Knicks wanted to sign Danny Green, but they forgot to call him: Sounds like Danny Green is hoping to meet with the Knicks soon as well, but may not be back from Brazil yet. The Knicks werent one of the teams to call him early on. I suspect Green is waiting for the Spurs to figure their other shit out before he has serious discussions with other teams, so said other teams may be waiting as well. Danny signed with the Spurs this morning, for less than Thad Young makes now. The Knicks did remember to call Patrick Beverley, who is bad. They also called Corey Brewer, who is a 3-and-D guy who shot 26 percent from three last season, and currently is a backup plan for the Sacramento Kings. They called Willie Green twice this morning before Danny Green signed with the Spurs. The Knicks have reached out to Jeremy Lin, whom the Kings are also interested in signing. The Kings, you will remember, were one of the teams jostling to draft Frank Kaminsky. They have been battling with the Knicks this whole offseason to get players who are in some demand. This is like when teams know that the Spurs or Rockets are interested in a player, and then try to get the same player because they know he will be good, except for a few minor differences. The Knicks have reached out to Kendrick Perkins, who is a mop languishing in a bucket of dirty, fetid water. The Knicks have reached out to Landry Fields, who is spending this offseason learning to shoot with his left hand. (Landry Fields, who already shot like his parents made him do math problems in his head before he was allowed to release the shoot button, is learning to shoot with his non-dominant hand, because he forgot how to shoot and play in general.) The Knicks are very interested in DeAndre Jordan, and their plan to sign him is to promise to make him the second option on offense, behind Carmelo Anthony. DeAndre Jordan, you will remember, cannot shoot or pass or dribble, which are things that you do on offense. DeAndre Jordan had a four-and-a-half-hour meeting with the Mavericks today, and has been out to dinner with Chandler Parsons for five nights in a row. (Five date rule, I guess.) Anyway, DeAndres meeting with the Knicks has not happened yet. The Knicks thought they might sign DeMarre Carroll. They used to have another player named the Junkyard Dog. The current JYD signed with the Raptors. Phil Jackson thought that he might be able to sign Paul Millsap, because he is good at defense, rebounding, and passing, which are things the Knicks need. Paul Millsap re-signed with the Hawks. The Knicks are showing late interest in Derrick Williams, who is a poor shooter who also cannot rebound or pass. The Knicks were interested in David West, who will be 35 when the season starts. Word was they wanted to sign him to a three-year contract. They were very likely to sign him just a few days ago. David West said he doesnt want to play for the Knicks, because they are bad and he is old, which honestly sounds like a good reason the Knicks should also consider. The Knicks want to sign Robin Lopez too, and are planning on meeting with him. Robin Lopez has reportedly met with the Bucks.* Last season, Knicks traded Tyson Chandler away, in part because Phil Jackson was not sure he was a good fit for the triangle offense, and in part to dump Raymond Feltons contract. He took back Samuel Dalembert, whom the Knicks waived for saying true things, and Jose Calderon. Raymond Felton makes $4.5 million this season, the last year of his deal. Jose Calderon makes $7.4 million this season, and $7.7 million next season. Tyson Chandler signed with the Suns for four years and $52 million, because he is good. The Knicks are interested in K.J. McDaniels, who could not hack it as a Philadelphia 76er. Wayne Ellington and Caron Butler, too. The Knicks are a team that does not have a draft pick next year, and are building around a 31-year-old with knee issues. They are on the clock, yet drafted a young stretch bigthe riskiest phenotype in NBA prospectsand now need to plug a 90-pound 7-footer into an NBA defense that features Melo and probably Monroe, and has not ruled out bringing back Jason Smith and mother fucking Bargs. The Knicks are just ignoring reality and the rules of the physical universe around them. The Knicks are bullshit. |
Arron Afflalo made 53% of his open 3s last year; that's awesome, but can the Knicks create open looks on the edges?
Arron Afflalo made 53% of his open 3s last year; that's awesome, but can the Knicks create open looks on the edges?
The Triangle can do anything
not bad. he can hit 3s
not bad. he can hit 3s
8 mil per*
If you can get Monroe to stick on the low post, you can kind of get an idea of what the Knicks are trying to do on offense.
I never thought Danny Green was leaving the Spurs but he would have been my first choice. Afflalo probably would have been second.
The only guy IMO who can really turn around our fortunes is LMA. He is better both offensively and defensively over Monroe. He may not be the rim protector that Jordan is but he is an under-rated defender. There would be enough spacing in the triangle to get both Anthony and LMA open mid range looks and you have Affalo to stretch out the floor from 3.
Could we get Lopez for under 10mil?
In the East a team of let's say:
LMA/Lopez
KP/LMA
Melo
Afflalo
Grant
might be able to make some noise.
i saw it last night and laughed.
Yes..
LaMarcus Aldridge and Arron Afflalo were McDonald's All-American roommates and Blazers teammates.
+1
Longer this drags out, the more concerned I am that we're not going to be able to sign 3 other guys who are qualified to play in the NBA. We only have two under contract now.
In the scenario Mornoe does not come, we should go after Koufos and O'quinn. At least build a solid defense if our offense is going to blow.
Going off the assumption that O'quinn is valued at $4 million a year. If we stretch calderon, we can make that $5-6 million.
Ellis still in play for Knicks...
Also all you hear is how much of a lock he is for the Spurs, if that was the case why not sign there? if he is sold on the spurs there is no reason to take meetings with other teams...it is not like he is being wined and dined..he is doing his meetings in an office building...
Love teh affalo signing...great value and still leaves the Knicks with 20 million to spend...
Still think he ends up at one of the LA teams.
Now hearing Greg Monroe could decide who he will sign with later this afternoon.
How can the Knicks drive up the price when they have a set price already...that makes zero sense...
Aldridge is getting the max so if he meets with the Knicks or not his price is set..
Now hearing Greg Monroe could decide who he will sign with later this afternoon.
Maybe he wants to go to the Knicks but they want to wait and see how their meetings with Aldridge and Jordan go today before committing. Gotta be optimistic right?
would not mesh imo with melo or the triangle
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Ohm Youngmisuk @NotoriousOHM 5m5 minutes ago
Now hearing Greg Monroe could decide who he will sign with later this afternoon.
Maybe he wants to go to the Knicks but they want to wait and see how their meetings with Aldridge and Jordan go today before committing. Gotta be optimistic right?
The fact the Knicks have not moved on to Monroe or Lopez and committed to one of those 2, tells me they are being told to hold off by Aldridge or Jordan...
Phil and Mills both said they would not sit around and wait for a player who didnt really want to be with the Knicks, so maybe they are being told to wait...
who knows though free agency is such a crap shoot...
I don't think that's true. Not because of the cap space stuff, but because of the lack of talent all up and down the Knicks roster. I think they could probably sign a couple of 2-3 million deals or vet minimums with some players and they could start for us.
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This boggles the mind. How is it that we don't need the best player who's gonna change teams?
If they soft-pedal and start dicking around with Monroe to see out the long odds on LMA / Jordan, I think there's a good chance they lose out entirely, which is a really bad outcome.
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is obviously a very talented player, but he really is not a good fit for what we need right now
This boggles the mind. How is it that we don't need the best player who's gonna change teams?
We need a defensive stopper at center. I obviously wouldn't turn him down, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that he fits in better with other teams.
Im curious as to why LMA is meeting with us. I dont think he would just want to waste our time. He doesnt want to play center which is tough for us, but center in the East isnt like center in the West. Melo, Aldridge, AA, Grant, Porz -- if that happens and things develop nicely, we're a prime landing spot for next year (Durant, Horford, Drummond (RFA; S&T for Porz if he wants out).
Afflalo, who will turn 30 in October, was drafted by Detroit with the 27th pick in 2007 out of UCLA. He played three seasons with Denver, a little more than half of that with Anthony before the star forward was shipped to the Knicks in February 2011. Afflalo, who also spent two seasons with the Magic, has a career scoring average of 11.4 points. He finished last season at 13.3, splitting his season between Denver and Portland, where he was traded to fill Matthews role after Matthews ruptured his Achilles.
I would be a bit nervous going long-term with Afflalo, one NBA executive said. He has a bit of wear and tear on his body.-berman
Im curious as to why LMA is meeting with us. I dont think he would just want to waste our time. He doesnt want to play center which is tough for us, but center in the East isnt like center in the West. Melo, Aldridge, AA, Grant, Porz -- if that happens and things develop nicely, we're a prime landing spot for next year (Durant, Horford, Drummond (RFA; S&T for Porz if he wants out).
Well if LMA doesn't want to play C, but wants to join the Knicks, then they could just go bargain shopping for one of the remaining guys. And stretch Calderon if need be to get a few extra million.
Duncan, Manu, Parker are all nearly done. Pop is 66.
Granted, Leonard is great and Green is solid, but that situation isn't as ideal as people make it out to be.
Matter of fact, the Phoenix roster is more attractive to me.
The NYK roster isn't close, but do Affaolo and Robin Lopez change that landscape?
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Duncan, Manu, Parker are all nearly done. Pop is 66.
Granted, Leonard is great and Green is solid, but that situation isn't as ideal as people make it out to be.
Matter of fact, the Phoenix roster is more attractive to me.
The NYK roster isn't close, but do Affaolo and Robin Lopez change that landscape?
And yet they were arguably a top 3-4 team in the NBA last year and most of the team is returning (sans Splitter) plus Leonard is still peaking. A core of LMA/Leonard with Pop coaching will have a chance every year. And 66 isn't that old.
If Aldridge wants a cente, you can cut Calderon and free up an extra 4 million and sign a vet to be the banger down low, plus Knicks would have room exception left to...
One thing that makes you think the Knicks think they will use all their cap space...
They have called guys like Willie Green and Derrick Williams, guys who are not going to make much more than the vet minimum...
4 years ago Afflalo had a sterling reputation. People were talking about him as a bottom of the top 10 at SG. Then the Melo trade happened and Denver was just a hodgepodge of assets with Afflalo miscast as the #1b player there. He's moved in the D12 trade to a rebuilding Orlando and again miscast by default as the #1 option. Then he's traded back to Denver (how bad could he be if they wanted him back?). Denver is a shit show and he is AGAIN miscast as a 1b lead dog with Lawson. And then Portland gives up a #1 for him and he really struggles there.
So the only thing at all alarming about Afflalo is why he struggled so bad in Portland. Everything else is explainable by recognizing that in no world should Afflalo be your best player.
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But to focus on LMA and the Spurs for second.
Duncan, Manu, Parker are all nearly done. Pop is 66.
Granted, Leonard is great and Green is solid, but that situation isn't as ideal as people make it out to be.
Matter of fact, the Phoenix roster is more attractive to me.
The NYK roster isn't close, but do Affaolo and Robin Lopez change that landscape?
And yet they were arguably a top 3-4 team in the NBA last year and most of the team is returning (sans Splitter) plus Leonard is still peaking. A core of LMA/Leonard with Pop coaching will have a chance every year. And 66 isn't that old.
Maybe Afflalo and Aldridge really are that close and that is why Phil signed him this morning before the meeting, maybe he is going to bring him to the meeting as another voice...
If we don't get Monroe, we could take a 1st round pick + his salary and just sign a defensive center and look for next year with an extra pick.
Duncan, Manu, Parker are all nearly done. Pop is 66.
Granted, Leonard is great and Green is solid, but that situation isn't as ideal as people make it out to be.
Matter of fact, the Phoenix roster is more attractive to me.
The NYK roster isn't close, but do Affaolo and Robin Lopez change that landscape?
Nope.
Not me. I couldn't take that deal fast enough.
The writing is on the wall Phil needs to trade him and get whatever he can
Looney. No brainer
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or Kevon Looney?
Looney. No brainer
Both! It's $15 million in cap clearance for them (plus tax?).
WTF? GS is desperate to shed his salary. Nobody is sending them assets (of any caliber) for lee.
I only put Early because I didn't think we could give them nothing. And he's the only guy with a salary we can trade who doesnt play if I'm not mistaken.
It also depends what happens with Monroe/LMA/DJ. Obviously I wouldn't give up the 15+ in space before I knew about those guys.
Based on the Sacto return, a #1 and Looney isnt enough. But Vlade doesnt know what he's doing.
In any event, if we dont get a good FA, might as well use the space to start building an asset base. Knicks' depth is a massive joke. It's horrific. Get assets like #1s, promising guys, 3-and-D potentials and you may have something in a few years.
new owner wants to make splash--- GM trading picks in response like drunk sailor to then sign FAs or guys that don't all fit together-
I think this is a solid signing for the Knicks. He's a small piece who plays competent basketball on a short-term, reasonable contract.
I think this is a solid signing for the Knicks. He's a small piece who plays competent basketball on a short-term, reasonable contract.
Agree. Their anti Knick rants haven't even been clever.
Phils probably seen a lot of things on the various substances he's been on since his hippie days. Good hustle guy at worst.
Still hope we get Monroe or someone else first
Then why even meet with them? If it's just to stroke his ego then he's a dick and I don't want him anyway.
Then why not sign with the Spurs..why even take a meeting with the Knicks and wait another day?
I am sure the message that Phil and co. are going to deliver is that we may not contend for a title this season, but by bringing in LA and Afflalo + whoever he decides to mention as targets next offseason the goal is to compete for one in 2016-2017.
Now whether that is a realistic possibility or not is the big question, but hopefully Phil is a hell of a salesman and can get Aldridge to buy into his vision.
@WolstatSun: Echoing @daldridgetnt report, told LaMarcus Aldridge meeting was good, sees Raptors on rise, but wants to join team on cusp (ie. Texas3)
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Apparently told the Raptors he thinks they are on the upswing but felt they weren't yet "there" so if they aren't then we aren't either
Then why not sign with the Spurs..why even take a meeting with the Knicks and wait another day?
You get one chance to get wined and dined in your prime. Enjoy it.
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Apparently told the Raptors he thinks they are on the upswing but felt they weren't yet "there" so if they aren't then we aren't either
Then why not sign with the Spurs..why even take a meeting with the Knicks and wait another day?
Wants his ego massaged? Happens all the time. He wouldn't be the first
Just meet with Jordan and if he says No, lets get Monroe signed.
Now i think it is a slim chance anyway but i dont think he is as sold on the Spurs as everyone thinks..
Spurs
Houston
Toronto or Dallas
Suns
Knicks
I really dont know much about him other than his on court performance. But not impressing me.
All that said, Knicks have an elite scoring forward. Raps dont. You can squint and paint a picture with the Knicks getting to a title next season (Horford-LMA-Melo-AA-Grant with Porz off the bench/traded, and some luck on pieces).
Free agent Greg Monroe will sign a maximum contract with the Milwaukee Bucks, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Free agent Greg Monroe will sign a maximum contract with the Milwaukee Bucks, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Free agent Greg Monroe will sign a maximum contract with the Milwaukee Bucks, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Pretty okay with this.
Totally over having a defensive sieve for a center.
The problem is that the Spurs have a championship coach, championship players who know how to embrace the grind AND they have the money. LMA is from Texas I believe AND Texas has no state income tax...
So Phil is going to have a HELLUVA sell...
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 24s24 seconds ago
Free agent Greg Monroe will sign a maximum contract with the Milwaukee Bucks, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Pretty okay with this.
Totally over having a defensive sieve for a center.
blessing in disguise.
Ah well.
Not a lot of top talent... I looked last night
But the Mecca!
Knicks didnt offer Max so he took the money in Milwaukee
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Except for its a bad sign if Milwaukee is more attractive than NY. Unless of course, Monroe made the decision based off potential talent, then I commend him for that because the Bucks have their shit together. Regardless, NY about to get shit from the media now for it.
Knicks didnt offer Max so he took the money in Milwaukee
How do we know this?
Except when he isnt forced to play PF next to Drummond, he's a 20-13 guy per 36, with a PER in the high 20s. Who was available at age 24 for DeMarre Carroll money.
Really bummed.
We need good players. He's a good player, certainly has his flaws, but we need talent. Right now we have very little. It's not like there are other good options for using our cap space on. We'll wind up using it on guys who aren't anywhere near as good just to fill the roster out
Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt 5m5 minutes ago
Jeff Zillgitt retweeted Chris Herring
They did not, from what I was told.
If thats really the case that makes me feel tons better about it if they did not think he was a fit.
Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt 5m5 minutes ago
Jeff Zillgitt retweeted Chris Herring
They did not, from what I was told.
We are beyond fucking stupid if that's the case.
If we seriously didn't commit fully to Monroe because of LMA and DeAndre then we deserve to be dog shit.
I would trade Carmelo for some picks. Just wow.
Really disappointing.
He almost certainly can't
Right. The ONLY explanation that is acceptable is a solid belief re Aldridge and Jordan, or Harris. Except these LMA and DJ didnt even carve us out time yesterday, leaving us hanging on Monroe.
Sounds like it is time to start asset building.
This. Basically everyone was explaining yesterday that salaries and the market increased based on the salary cap adjustment going forward. Phil has to be aware of this unless he is railing against the system just based on principle.
They're not the only team in the west with 2 bonafide superstars.
Do you think they're set to get back to the 2-seed again? I expect the WC to be a slugfest. Everybody enjoyed a Durant-less west last season.
Robin Lopez will be our consolation prize.
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is Houston not on the cusp? They were the 2 seed in the West and have 2 bonafide superstars.
They're not the only team in the west with 2 bonafide superstars.
Do you think they're set to get back to the 2-seed again? I expect the WC to be a slugfest. Everybody enjoyed a Durant-less west last season.
Just because there are other teams that are really good doesn't mean that Houston isn't also really good.
Monroe will sign a three year deal, with a player option on the third year, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Onto Harris. And then David Lee if that falls through.
David Lee and Jeremy Lin return slowly starting to go from simmer to boil, per source. #knicks
I approve
On point @AminESPN - Haters will Hater, but the truth will unfold in time - "We'll see" & "time will tell" are 2 of my favorite sayings.
David Lee and Jeremy Lin return slowly starting to go from simmer to boil, per source. #knicks
Can we just agree that Tommy Dee has no sources and not post things he says?
AgreeCarl. Melo has to go.
Greg Monroe will sign a three-year, $50M deal with the Bucks, including the player option on the final year, sources tell Yahoo.
this is nothing new. In nearly every single case, young stars sign a second contract with the teams who drafted them.
Again, there's no use in being bad next year. We have every reason to be as competitive as humanly possible. We have no pick.
This is bad news no matter how you want to view it.
Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN now
The Knicks are considering making an offer to OKC restricted free agent Enes Kanter.
If you're going to issue a max contract, he checks all the boxes on the list. Size, Young, offensively-talented, rebound machine. The knocks against him are that he's not brilliant defensively and he's not a super athlete.
But, they didn't want him in Detroit, and apparently the Knicks weren't treating him like a must have either.
Why does every player have a "camp"? The hangers-on surrounding professional athletes are a plague on them.
It is not a huge failure until December and the team is 10 games under 500 until then we do not know anything...
FWIW: #Knicks left a positive impression on Robin Lopez after their meeting last nite. "Interest is mutual, that's for sure," source says.
...the Knicks are going no where fast.
Enjoy the ride!
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If we couldn't get Monroe because we didn't offer max. No other way of putting it. I mean it's a failure no matter what, but this just takes it to a whole other level.
It is not a huge failure until December and the team is 10 games under 500 until then we do not know anything...
Ok, you can wait until December to complain about a move that just happened. I'll decide to do it in real time.
FWIW: #Knicks left a positive impression on Robin Lopez after their meeting last nite. "Interest is mutual, that's for sure," source says.
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If we couldn't get Monroe because we didn't offer max. No other way of putting it. I mean it's a failure no matter what, but this just takes it to a whole other level.
It is not a huge failure until December and the team is 10 games under 500 until then we do not know anything...
Ok, you can wait until December to complain about a move that just happened. I'll decide to do it in real time.
Have fun with that...
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that he would be here after Melo had deteriorated. We weren't going to win shit with Melo and Monroe. But if he took a 2 year deal, he wasn't really in it for the long haul now was he?
Again, there's no use in being bad next year. We have every reason to be as competitive as humanly possible. We have no pick.
This is bad news no matter how you want to view it.
So being a 45 win team as opposed to a 35 win team is that bad? If we don't get any more young guys in free agency I'm with you. Sure it would've sucked to not see us in the playoffs even as an 8 seed. But a year from now when its all said and done it would not have made a difference. If we strike out with Harris, Koufos or Lee + many assets, I am 100% with you in that case. But give it a day or two to make a substantiated opinion on it.
It is july 2nd..relax and wait and see what the Knicks do with the rest of their cap space...
Phil was very clear on this point as well. That's why I find all this after the fact "no big deal" stuff full of BS.
The Nuggets are going to suck next year too
You don't 'build' with a 29 year old free agent. That's a piece for a finished roster.
I don't think this is about Aldridge.
Alright, I'm pissed on Monroe, but to think that Monroe and Melo would be a title team is a bit ludicrous. To think it was anything more than a few games above .500 is also a bit absurd. I want Melo to increase our odds we sign sub-25 guys, not for a title. Melo will not win a title in NY. Not with Aldridge. Not with Deandre. Lets put things in perspective here.
If we strike out on Kanter, Harris, and a Lee trade, we can sulk. But lets be real on where a team with melo is headed.
Mook... Renting out cap space in exchange for assets
Lee is garbage, but you want to pay Monroe the max?
You don't 'build' with a 29 year old free agent. That's a piece for a finished roster.
I don't think this is about Aldridge.
I honestly hope that it's bullshit we didn't offer the max. I can't figure out a legitimate reason why we wouldn't.
I don't think it's Lee people are interested in (though he might help earn a bottom 3 playoff seed), but more the "extra" stuff they could possibly get from GSW for taking Lee's salary back.
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does anyone on here want a Lee trade? He's garbage
Lee is garbage, but you want to pay Monroe the max?
Monroe is 8 years younger, and just significantly better at this point.
Lee 8 years ago was much better than he is now.
Not sure how melo has done anything wrong while on the knicks. you probably don't watch his games. he plays hard, cnt blame him that he has no help.
Would try going pretty hard for Lopez and then using the rest of the space either for bench guys who can be here in a year or two OR taking a contract like Lee and get a draft pick or two.
I'm still in the camp that we should have traded Melo though not because I don't think he's a great player or that one can't build a championship team around him, but the Knicks really need to accumulate young assets. More and more FA's are resigning with their teams so there's a bigger importance on the draft now.
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does anyone on here want a Lee trade? He's garbage
Lee is garbage, but you want to pay Monroe the max?
I don't think you've watched all that much of Monroe. He's not a great defender, but he's a competent defender. Way better than you're giving him credit for. Lee is useless on defense.
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does anyone on here want a Lee trade? He's garbage
Lee is garbage, but you want to pay Monroe the max?
I don't think you've watched all that much of Monroe. He's not a great defender, but he's a competent defender. Way better than you're giving him credit for. Lee is useless on defense.
I don't disagree, but I'd rather have Lee and a good defensive center than Monroe and a good defensive PF.
Would try going pretty hard for Lopez and then using the rest of the space either for bench guys who can be here in a year or two OR taking a contract like Lee and get a draft pick or two.
I'm still in the camp that we should have traded Melo though not because I don't think he's a great player or that one can't build a championship team around him, but the Knicks really need to accumulate young assets. More and more FA's are resigning with their teams so there's a bigger importance on the draft now.
I guess re: Melo he's still an asset end of the day so just gotta hope if the Knicks DO decide to trade him at one point that his value isn't too low. For all these complaints regarding his contract, he is only making 4-5 million more than Dragic and Tristan Thompson next year. His contract will look fine in a year or so.
You want a 1st round pick and a decent big man, trade fucking Melo!
They need to have a young nucleus anyway so what's the point in keeping a guy who can't win a ship or recruit players to build a team that can at least make the playoffs?!
Get rid of his ass...this is like having Marbury all over again.
WAKE UP KNICKS PEOPLE!
A low post big would want to play in the Triangle. The offense flows through them instead of the the guards.
You don't get it do you. Next year and going forward that will be considered a bargain deal.
They look like a really neat young squad now with just tons of length and athleticism.
Who do you think Isola's source was? it wasnt Phil, it was probably Monroe's agent...
And here is another thing what deal that Phil has made been reported in the media beforehand? not the draft picks, not the tyson trade, not the shumpert trade, nothing he has done has been leaked to the media, so isnt it possible that no one knows what Phil is going to do?
You want a 1st round pick and a decent big man, trade fucking Melo!
They need to have a young nucleus anyway so what's the point in keeping a guy who can't win a ship or recruit players to build a team that can at least make the playoffs?!
Get rid of his ass...this is like having Marbury all over again.
WAKE UP KNICKS PEOPLE!
Dude... just jump ship already. Please.
This is nothing like having Marbury.
Kanter would be a great get. He is very similar to Monroe (and even younger). Good offensive player, crappy defensive player. That said im pretty sure OKC matches even a max offer.
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It's time to consider trading him. Send him to Lakers. Let him play with Kobe. Two big egos trying to out score each other. Would be entertaining
Not sure how melo has done anything wrong while on the knicks. you probably don't watch his games. he plays hard, cnt blame him that he has no help.
Joey do not even bother dude is a troll to the fullest extent, he used to be on here as another poster and got banned...
wake up!
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does anyone on here want a Lee trade? He's garbage
Lee is garbage, but you want to pay Monroe the max?
I don't think you've watched all that much of Monroe. He's not a great defender, but he's a competent defender. Way better than you're giving him credit for. Lee is useless on defense.
I don't disagree, but I'd rather have Lee and a good defensive center than Monroe and a good defensive PF.
I think Monroe would have been perfectly fine next to a Ro Lo type of player. But it is what it is. We might as well trade for Lee at this point. He'll get us more wins and net us some assets.
God this sucks.
It means absolutely fucking nothing in the current state of the NBA
Kanter without Russell Westbrook creating and Serge Ibaka defending terrifies me.
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looks like Melo is a helluva recruiter as well...yep he and Kobe sure do know how to attract great talent.
You want a 1st round pick and a decent big man, trade fucking Melo!
They need to have a young nucleus anyway so what's the point in keeping a guy who can't win a ship or recruit players to build a team that can at least make the playoffs?!
Get rid of his ass...this is like having Marbury all over again.
WAKE UP KNICKS PEOPLE!
Dude... just jump ship already. Please.
This is nothing like having Marbury.
Really? Is the team better, worse, or the same as when Marbury was here? Home twon kid, eating up the cap, can't win on his own, and can't recruit teammates.
I'll wait.
It means absolutely fucking nothing in the current state of the NBA
LOL was just thinking that, especially when one max can be for 145 million while another can be for 115, etc. Very few people fully understand it as a concept.
Kanter would be a great get. He is very similar to Monroe (and even younger). Good offensive player, crappy defensive player. That said im pretty sure OKC matches even a max offer.
Monroe is a way better defender than Kanter is. Monroe isn't a shot blocker, but he's a competent defender.
Let's get RoLo, and bail out the GSW from the tax and get Lee and some assets.
12 million is fine by me. That would roughly be 8-9 million by previous cap standards and I'd be fine paying a starting C that much. We wouldn't be getting a contract that's great value but we certainly wouldn't be overpaying either. He's also reasonably young too.
God this sucks.
You too?!?!?! LOL
I wanted Monroe too but you guys are acting like we lost out on Anthony Davis. Relax.
I am with you, it sucks because this use to be a great site to talk Knicks but now every move that is perceived bad people freak out and kill the Knicks...
Battered wives.
I think Monroe would have been perfectly fine next to a Ro Lo type of player. But it is what it is. We might as well trade for Lee at this point. He'll get us more wins and net us some assets.
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You wouldn't have gotten Lopez along w/Monroe Monroe went 3 yrs $50M After AA's $8M subtracted you had approx $21M $5M wasn't going to get Lopez nor would $8M if Calderon was moved He's going to go for $10-11M at least. He may wind up being our C
He would go to Cleveland to plat with his Hero in a NY minute.
I'm liking the Thompson/Mosgov for Melo more and more. Hell, maybe Cleveland will even throw in a pick. LOL
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like it or not he is here to stay, he has a no trade clause he is not going anywhere...
He would go to Cleveland to plat with his Hero in a NY minute.
I'm liking the Thompson/Mosgov for Melo more and more. Hell, maybe Cleveland will even throw in a pick. LOL
Scary that someone could want to trade Melo for Tristan Thompson (making 80 million) and Mozgov.
One of the worst trade ideas ever posted on an NBA thread, and you post it nearly every single day.
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like it or not he is here to stay, he has a no trade clause he is not going anywhere...
He would go to Cleveland to plat with his Hero in a NY minute.
I'm liking the Thompson/Mosgov for Melo more and more. Hell, maybe Cleveland will even throw in a pick. LOL
Ok I know I said jump ship in my last post but now I wish you'd just jump... period.
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God this sucks.
You too?!?!?! LOL
I wanted Monroe too but you guys are acting like we lost out on Anthony Davis. Relax.
I've personally liked Monroe since his rookie year and always kept an eye on him. We all have those players we follow more closely than others. Him being on the Knicks was a big deal to me. I think he has special in him.
It sucks not getting him. For me.
B) We didn't lose out on LBJ. And frankly after the embarrassing reaction I among others had to losing out on LBJ, I'm done feeling shitty about UFA's.
IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY, FOLKS!
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like it or not he is here to stay, he has a no trade clause he is not going anywhere...
He would go to Cleveland to plat with his Hero in a NY minute.
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You do realize Cleveland is going to be so far over the cap that they'd have to trade away half their team to fit Melo?
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God this sucks.
You too?!?!?! LOL
I wanted Monroe too but you guys are acting like we lost out on Anthony Davis. Relax.
I've personally liked Monroe since his rookie year and always kept an eye on him. We all have those players we follow more closely than others. Him being on the Knicks was a big deal to me. I think he has special in him.
It sucks not getting him. For me.
I like his game as well. Very old school big man and he's young.
That being said... he wanted more money than we were willing to give him. Can't be mad at either side for that.
IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY, FOLKS!
I find it incredibly hard to believe the Knicks didn't offer him the max.
+1. 5 years ago the idea was to clear out cap space in a gut renovation. Turns out it only really worked that one year that 3 Olympians were UFAs and wanted to team up.
We need to just start collecting assets, play some non-embarassing basketball, and get on with things. All of our assets are near their bottom value right now -- Melo was hurt and Porz is a stick figure. By hook or crook fight your way to respectability, and then a FA will want to come here.
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God this sucks.
You too?!?!?! LOL
I wanted Monroe too but you guys are acting like we lost out on Anthony Davis. Relax.
I've personally liked Monroe since his rookie year and always kept an eye on him. We all have those players we follow more closely than others. Him being on the Knicks was a big deal to me. I think he has special in him.
It sucks not getting him. For me.
Then go buy your Monroe Bucks jersey and begone. You can enjoy him on a better team now.
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looks like Melo is a helluva recruiter as well...yep he and Kobe sure do know how to attract great talent.
You want a 1st round pick and a decent big man, trade fucking Melo!
They need to have a young nucleus anyway so what's the point in keeping a guy who can't win a ship or recruit players to build a team that can at least make the playoffs?!
Get rid of his ass...this is like having Marbury all over again.
WAKE UP KNICKS PEOPLE!
Dude... just jump ship already. Please.
This is nothing like having Marbury.
Really? Is the team better, worse, or the same as when Marbury was here? Home twon kid, eating up the cap, can't win on his own, and can't recruit teammates.
I'll wait.
Marbury averaged 17.2, 6.7, 44%, 35% in his time in New York with his team winning 39, 33, 23, 33, 23 games each year in his tenure year. 1 playoff appearance in 5 years.
Had multiple off the court incidents and was such an issue that he was straight up benched and cut the final year of his contract before drifting off into China.
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Melo averaged 26, 7, 45%, 38% winning 42, 36 (strike shortened year), 54, 37, 17 games. That's 3 playoff seasons in 5 years.
No issues with regards to off the field stuff really. Melo is clearly a better player and they're not that comprobable of situations
There's one report out there that they didnt offer the max but it doesn't pass the smell test
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Monroe got more MONEY from the Bucks. That's why he went there.
IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY, FOLKS!
I find it incredibly hard to believe the Knicks didn't offer him the max.
Apparently they did. I was going off something I had read but Beck says they did so... I was wrong.
He just wanted to play for a team in a better position to win. That makes sense.
the goal, the realistic goal, for as long as we can foresee and/or as long as Melo is here, is to just not be an embarrassment of a franchise
get us to .500, a 6th seed....low expectations
I can live with players choosing other teams over us. That's why it's called FREE Agency. But I wouldn't be able to come up with a good reason on why we chose not to offer him the max. Especially in a world where the junkyard dog gets 15 million a year and Shumpert 10.
I like Robin Lopez. He's a solid player. He's not a game-changer, but he does some things well as an interior defender and he makes the Knicks better.
I am disappointed that the Knicks didn't fleece Sacramento the way Philly did. I would have liked the picks and to take a flyer on Stauskas because who knows if maybe he can develop in a different environment.
Is there any talk about Bargs? At this point, I would be okay with bringing him back on the cheap and hoping that a new season with the Knicks can be a reset button and maybe he can turn into a piece that can be traded for a draft pick next year.
And it's not like Milwaukee is some juggernaut. They have as much chance to win a title in the next 3 years as the Knicks do, zero.
No matter what way you slice it, it's a really bad sign that guys are willing to go to Milwaukee over the Knicks. Doesn't bode well for us going forward with this crop.
And it's not like Milwaukee is some juggernaut. They have as much chance to win a title in the next 3 years as the Knicks do, zero.
No matter what way you slice it, it's a really bad sign that guys are willing to go to Milwaukee over the Knicks. Doesn't bode well for us going forward with this crop.
Disagree. They have the best chance of challenging the Cavs in 3 years than just about anyone in the Eastern Conference.
That's the problem. And that problem isn't going away any time soon unless we can convince one of the big two left to come which is a pipe dream. It's a really, really bad sign for our future.
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the Bucks over the Knicks (and mostly Milwaukee over New York) hurts. It shows just how far we are away in players eyes. We don't have a pick next year so how exactly does our roster improve to the point of guys actually wanting to come to us in free agency next year?
And it's not like Milwaukee is some juggernaut. They have as much chance to win a title in the next 3 years as the Knicks do, zero.
No matter what way you slice it, it's a really bad sign that guys are willing to go to Milwaukee over the Knicks. Doesn't bode well for us going forward with this crop.
Disagree. They have the best chance of challenging the Cavs in 3 years than just about anyone in the Eastern Conference.
They will need the Cavs to be injured to have a chance to beat them any time soon. They are no where near the Cavs level.
I think Melo is a fantastic player and it sucks that we haven't been able to give him a contending roster.
They've got talent and a direction. They're expected to keep moving forward.
For a 25 year old free agent that's already been on losing teams for his whole career, you have to be able to see why that's appealing.
OMG stop the presses..
Yep, but even more difficult to do when you trade away 1st round picks for shit heads like Bargnani.
We're in a really shitty spot. So are the Lakers, they can't get anyone to come and the only way they have their pick next year is if they finish in top3 of lottery
Tread water for now, don't make any franchise-crippling moves like dealing more first round picks or overpaying mediocre players, and stay flexible for the future. I know people don't like to hear that, but that's really all the Knicks can do right now. Maybe they uncover a diamond in the rough here or there but there aren't any quick, easy fixes for this team.
They've got talent and a direction. They're expected to keep moving forward.
For a 25 year old free agent that's already been on losing teams for his whole career, you have to be able to see why that's appealing.
A team of children in an awful conference. Going .500 in the east is not difficult.
They have no chance to contend while Monroe is there. Quote me on that.
I don't blame him for wanting to go elsewhere, to me it's just a really, really bad sign for the Knicks future. It shows how little players think of the Knicks, and rightly so.
Where is the dotted line to sign for that?
I completely get why Monroe wouldn't come. But it's also at the same time a really bad sign for the Knicks future. If we want to ever be a good team with Melo leading free agents need to come because of our draft pick situation
Not having a first round pick and pinning the hopes of the franchise on a project is rather frightening.
Exactly. Knicks are at least 2-3 years away from being a contender so from that logic you may as well go for the player who will have highest upside - in that case Porz.
I agree but I think his value would be better next offseason when the cap goes up a lot (thereby making his contract better and increasing the number of potential suiters) and he (hopefully) plays a full and productive season.
With the cap at 67 million and him coming off a serious season ending knee surgery, I don't think the value would be great.
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as a team of children.
They've got talent and a direction. They're expected to keep moving forward.
For a 25 year old free agent that's already been on losing teams for his whole career, you have to be able to see why that's appealing.
A team of children in an awful conference. Going .500 in the east is not difficult.
They have no chance to contend while Monroe is there. Quote me on that.
I don't blame him for wanting to go elsewhere, to me it's just a really, really bad sign for the Knicks future. It shows how little players think of the Knicks, and rightly so.
Nobody in the east has a chance to contend as long as Lebron is an active player, if we've being honest.
You can still be a team that has good seasons though. I'm sure he'd rather play with talent and get into the playoffs asap rather than sign someplace that's selling uncertainly and an aging star.
I thought everybody was on board with the Knicks rebuilding?
Face reality. This cake was baked years ago, and while Phil may or may not be the guy to turn things around I don't see how you can blame him for the Knicks being the NBA equivalent of ebola.
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once the Rockets swing and miss on LMA and Melo realizes that he doesn't want to play his prime on a team that can't make the playoffs in the East.
Where is the dotted line to sign for that?
Houston and Melo just make too much sense for each other. Chicago and LA are probably the 2 spots he prefers the most but neither of them are touching him.
I'd actually keep Dekker, we need a Forward if he trade Ariza. But Ariza/DMo/Capela/future1st might be as good as it gets for the Knicks. DMo is a great trriangle big that they can start at PF while Porzingis develops, and Capela is a hell of a talent. Porzignis/Capela would be like two puppies with gigantic paws playing next to each other.
So basically a pride thing that people won't really remember 4 years from now?
Next years draft is one of the worst in recent history, so don't cry too much.
'Winning now' is what got them in this mess.
They could have drafted Towns and signed Jordan. That team is not winning now. They lose to the Heat ultimately, and maybe don't even get that far.
Face reality. This cake was baked years ago, and while Phil may or may not be the guy to turn things around I don't see how you can blame him for the Knicks being the NBA equivalent of ebola.
I was thinking of a way to make this exact point, but you articulated it better than I could have. I'm grateful we got two good prospects on draft night - best night we've had in years. Barring a miracle with Aldridge, the next big moment will be what we get back in a Melo trade - we'll find out next year, I'd expect.
Face reality. This cake was baked years ago, and while Phil may or may not be the guy to turn things around I don't see how you can blame him for the Knicks being the NBA equivalent of ebola.
It's not all his fault, but at this point, he's shown ZERO ability to convince outside players that his vision for the team can be successful. That was the main reason he was hired. Maybe it's my fault for assuming that they would get Monroe, but even the most optimistic Knicks fan has to admit this offseason has disaster written all over it.
so this notion that its title or bust is just a load of crap. 1 team wins each year. there are great teams in the west that cant win a round... the goal is to make the playoffs.... stay in position to get better, and maybe get hot one year. If you fall into a star the becomes a #1 on a title team then more power to you. But YES making the playoffs and having a shot and flexibility is a good place to be. enough with the finals or title or bust crap--- its just not true.
Wow. Times have changed.
Celtics? They're probably not winning a title, but adding Melo certainly makes them top 4 in the East.
Yes, but use a pseudonym.
As far back as Portsmouth Invitational, Knicks were confident they'd land Monroe. But according to @WojYahooNBA, Phil didn't offer the max.
So woj says we didnt offer the max.
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Yes, but use a pseudonym.
Ummm. Timmy Bee reported the Knicks have serious interest in Tobias Harris
All they can do is hope that Porzingas fufills his potential, that they can develop some more unknown guys like Galloway, and keep the flexibility to make moves in the future.
Wow. Times have changed.
It's more of a real sign that guys dont want to play here which is depressing, if Monroe won't come, why would another big free agent come? That's the depressing part, much more so than simply missing on Monroe himself
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Yes, but use a pseudonym.
Ummm. Timmy Bee reported the Knicks have serious interest in Tobias Harris
Now THAT I believe.
so this notion that its title or bust is just a load of crap. 1 team wins each year. there are great teams in the west that cant win a round... the goal is to make the playoffs.... stay in position to get better, and maybe get hot one year. If you fall into a star the becomes a #1 on a title team then more power to you. But YES making the playoffs and having a shot and flexibility is a good place to be. enough with the finals or title or bust crap--- its just not true.
Good post. I remember Stu Jackson year. And the media and fans were screaming at tearing it down. Ewing was talking about getting the hell out of here. Riley said not so fast, talked to Ewing understood the roster and adapted from showtime to extreme D and added a few pieces and got himself a 50 win team when everyone said it was impossible. Hands down the greatest coaching job and turnaround I've seen.
Trading him now? His value is the lowest it will be. The one thing we've really learned is that Phil Jackson+Melo is not attractive enough on it's own to bring in players.
As far back as Portsmouth Invitational, Knicks were confident they'd land Monroe. But according to @WojYahooNBA, Phil didn't offer the max.
So woj says we didnt offer the max.
Reports are conflicting.
He sounded intriguing.
So who are our bigs going to be? We are supposedly looking at Ernes Kanter, but the Thunder will probably match.
The Bucks were supposedly looking at Monroe and Robin Lopez, so I guess Lopez might be available, after the Bucks got Monroe. There are rumors about him not wanting to play in the same city as his brother. That may be bogus.
This is really depressing.
Btw, it all goes back to Hardaway making useless shots in the last week of last season. Or whatever other reason you put on the failed lottery dump. If we got the first seed in the lottery and signed one of the top three, we might be at least a little more attractive for next year. It's not that I don't like Porzingas, it's that he is too likely to be a minor factor in year 1. That cannot sit well with FAs.
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The best the Knicks can hope for is to place themselves in a position where they can compete for a playoff spot.
They dont have draft picks.. assets to trade for draft picks, They dont have a proven talented roster outside of one player.
The WIN NOW mentality is what got them into this mess..
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Yes, but use a pseudonym.
I would trust a Incarnated Bob rumor before anything Tommy Dee has to put out.
- we aren't ready to win now
- we aren't ready to win in the near future
- NBA stars now get recognition in any city if the team is playing well
- we barley have a roster
- we don't have our pick next year
- we have the worst owner in the sport
- we have the highest local taxes in the sport (I think)
- we have an owner who spurned the biggest media bloc in the League who will bash the player relentlessly
- we have been an embarrassment for over a decade
I know it's doom and gloom, but this is why I wish the Knicks would emulate what Hinkie has been doing. Get a ton of high picks and try and get your own local star potential and then build from that groundswell.
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Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN 44m44 minutes ago
As far back as Portsmouth Invitational, Knicks were confident they'd land Monroe. But according to @WojYahooNBA, Phil didn't offer the max.
So woj says we didnt offer the max.
Reports are conflicting.
Beck is the only one reporting that the max was offered and he is being fed by the Garden.
Couldn't hurt to see what he can do, and having him and KP over at the same time could help with both of their developments.
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Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN 44m44 minutes ago
As far back as Portsmouth Invitational, Knicks were confident they'd land Monroe. But according to @WojYahooNBA, Phil didn't offer the max.
So woj says we didnt offer the max.
Reports are conflicting.
Beck is the only one reporting that the max was offered and he is being fed by the Garden.
That doesn't make sense Why would MSG tell Beck we made the same offer as the Bucks & got turned down? Shoot self in foot?
The whole big market thing is non-existent anymore. You play for money and winners nowadays. What does this teach us? Draft players that can play in a winning environment. What did we do? Draft a player that we think had the best shot at establishing a winning environment? Not much else you can hope for. We are still paying for the sins of past management. And we still be for a few more years.
But the change had to come sometime. And it has started, so let's not sulk because this is the only way to build a contender.
Greg Monroe got max offers ranging from 1-4 yrs from MIL, NYK, LAL, POR. Chose shorter deal to win now with #bucks. Can become FA in 2017
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Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN 44m44 minutes ago
As far back as Portsmouth Invitational, Knicks were confident they'd land Monroe. But according to @WojYahooNBA, Phil didn't offer the max.
So woj says we didnt offer the max.
Reports are conflicting.
Beck is the only one reporting that the max was offered and he is being fed by the Garden.
That doesn't make sense Why would MSG tell Beck we made the same offer as the Bucks & got turned down? Shoot self in foot?
Not sure but Beck is the guy that Garden execs gives their stuff to now. He floats the fluff pieces for them as well. Not sure where the Yahoo guys are getting their info, I can only assume it's Monroe's camp.
Is this serious?
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is more likely to sway potential 2016 free agents than anything Melo will do.
Is this serious?
Do you think it's more likely that Melo will get better or worse with age and the injury he coming off of? If Phil can't convince players to play alongside him now, I don't see how more tread on his tire will help the situation.
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are depressing the shit out of me, and it's all because Greg Monroe spurned the Knicks?
Wow. Times have changed.
It's more of a real sign that guys dont want to play here which is depressing, if Monroe won't come, why would another big free agent come? That's the depressing part, much more so than simply missing on Monroe himself
based on anything since 2000 what would indicate to you that players want to play in NY? We loaded up for 2010 and came up empty, overpaying for Amare to save face. Melo pushed his way here, that's it. This is an extremely poorly run franchise.
I guess it depends whether one thinks Parker is a 3 or 4.
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are depressing the shit out of me, and it's all because Greg Monroe spurned the Knicks?
Wow. Times have changed.
It's more of a real sign that guys dont want to play here which is depressing, if Monroe won't come, why would another big free agent come? That's the depressing part, much more so than simply missing on Monroe himself
If he didn't come here for another reason outside of the team being shitty I would agree, but it seems he wanted to go to a more established team. That shouldn't be depressing.
The truth is the days of players wanting the NY market to gain exposure doesn't exist. THAT is depressing, but it's the new reality.
DeAndre Jordan will meet the #Knicks today at noon CDT and the #Clippers tonight at 7. The #Mavs really, really need this guy
Agreed. His flaws were already broken down over and over. I can't take the "I didn't want him anyway" guys. The majority of these players have flaws. There are no multiple LBJs to pick from this year or the next.
David Falk states for record #Knicks offered max to Monroe for any amount of years he wanted. Was all about Bucks readier to make playoffs
I guess if you had a fetish for re-visiting Tyson Chandler at a younger age.
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Is this serious?
Do you think it's more likely that Melo will get better or worse with age and the injury he coming off of? If Phil can't convince players to play alongside him now, I don't see how more tread on his tire will help the situation.
Fully healthy, do you consider Melo a top 10 or 15 player in the league at this point and the near future?
Jordan led the league in FG% at 64.3.
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Drop big money on a one-dimensional center who couldn't put a ball in a hoop to save a box of puppies?
Jordan led the league in FG% at 64.3.
Lol...stop
Patience with young players? Protecting draft picks? Allowing basketball people to make decisions?
The jury is certainly out on Phil and some of his moves, but if he were to leave, then what? Is hard to see a long-term plan to relevancy being allowed to happen.
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Drop big money on a one-dimensional center who couldn't put a ball in a hoop to save a box of puppies?
Jordan led the league in FG% at 64.3.
That's because like 85% of his attempts were dunks.
Still really want him but that number says nothing, really.
David Falk states for record #Knicks offered max to Monroe for any amount of years he wanted. Was all about Bucks readier to make playoffs
I'm glad. This big market shit is finally put to rest. Oh no, we actually have to have a good team to attract good players! What will we ever do?!
I guess if you had a fetish for re-visiting Tyson Chandler at a younger age.
My guess it would be one less draft pick you have to worry about obtaining and developing. I would consider a player like Jordan a needed piece going forward. He kinda makes more sense than Monroe going forward if you intend to play Melo at the 4, and ask Porzingis to start as a stretch 4 with Melo on the court.
Also, I think he and Grant could actually be good together.
So basically we're in no mans land until Porzignis (hopefully) develops into a really good player.
Awesome.
Fully healthy, do you consider Melo a top 10 or 15 player in the league at this point and the near future?
Melo has played 70+ games TWICE in the past 7 seasons. I don't think "fully healthy" is a realistic expectation.
They don't have a pick, so there's no point in being awful, but why do this when they could just sign a bridge player to get them over until they're actually in position to have a roster and a destination to sell to free agents that can help them and actually want to play here.
Source says Mavs would consider a salary-dump deal for Roy Hibbert if DeAndre Jordan doesn't choose Dallas. But still hopeful about DJ.
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Drop big money on a one-dimensional center who couldn't put a ball in a hoop to save a box of puppies?
Jordan led the league in FG% at 64.3.
Tyson Chandler's number is also up there
ehh... He was part of the Nuggets culture that ran out Shaw. He wasn't shy about calling out Shaw's game plans to the media. I mean he had a point. Shaw did a horrible job of adapting and tried to push the triangle on young athletes who were not a fit.
Phil Jackson give me a call. I'll play for the @nyknicks... Don't understand how dudes don't wanna play in the MECCA! #confused #thegarden
Phil Jackson give me a call. I'll play for the @nyknicks... Don't understand how dudes don't wanna play in the MECCA! #confused #thegarden
For all the hate he got. Big Al loved being near home and the Knicks. #FreeCandyForever
The Cavs want a player for Haywoods nonguaranteed $10.5 million deal, since they have no other easy way to nab a player in that salary range. Golden State wouldnt mind getting a back-of-the-rotation cog for Lee, but it will settle for the $50 million1 in savings it would generate just by dumping him into someones cap room.
That may end up costing the Warriors more than one first-round pick, and if it does, Golden State will have to find an alternative path and probably eat a hefty tax bill in the process. The rest of the league knows how much Golden State would save by flipping Lee for nothing, and no one is psyched to do the champs a solid in exchange for just the final pick of the first round. Maybe those teams are talking big, but Lees $15.5 million salary would represent perhaps the highest price ever paid for a crappy first-round pick, and every team with cap room aside from perhaps the Sixers, who exist in a separate dimension has plans to use it on players better than Lee.
Golden State cannot toss away two first-round picks as the price of shedding Lee. Theyre already out one future pick to the Jazz, and its hard to sustain a contender when you cant replenish the roster with cheap young players. Even the 30th pick and Festus Ezeli might be too much. Finding a successor for Andrew Bogut is Golden States biggest long-term roster challenge; the Warriors didnt need Bogut to beat Cleveland, but they absolutely needed a traditional center to get through the 97 games that came before."
So if it comes to it, I'd be willing to take on Lee with Looney as the prize if we can't spend our money on anything better.
DeAndre Jordan and reps about to start 10 am meeting with New York today
After progress was made yesterday, Cavs & Tristan Thompson are currently still apart on contract talks, sources told ESPN.
I'd give him $10-12 million. I mean Asik got that much and Lopez is better than him.
*Carl impersonation*
Only the NETS would give a Lopez twin that much!
Sources: Monta Ellis agrees to 4-year deal with Indiana
Phil, Melo, Madison Square Garden and all the money and the world but nobody wants it.
Sources: Monta Ellis agrees to 4-year deal with Indiana
excellent fit- really like that for indy especially since they kept Vogel and have PJ coming back. And while I don't love George hill hes actually a decent fit next to ellis
They are in the same ball park. Lopez is better on offense (has a baby hook and baseline J) and Asik can barely get over 50% FG% when all he does is dunk the ball. Asik is better on defense though. Think they warrant the same $.
Rim Protection FG%
Robin Lopez 48%
DeAndre Jordan 48.5%
Greg Monroe 55.1%
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Robin Lopez 2.40
DeAndre Jordan 0.18
Greg Monroe -1.23
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Rim Protection FG%
Robin Lopez 48%
DeAndre Jordan 48.5%
Greg Monroe 55.1%
Point Saved/36
Robin Lopez 2.40
DeAndre Jordan 0.18
Greg Monroe -1.23 http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/ - ( New Window )
Love this.
Thanks
Rim Protection FG%
Robin Lopez 48%
DeAndre Jordan 48.5%
Greg Monroe 55.1%
Point Saved/36
Robin Lopez 2.40
DeAndre Jordan 0.18
Greg Monroe -1.23 http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/ - ( New Window )
Why isn't that Cole Aldrich is not considered a defensive presence? I mean his rim protection numbers are up there with Asik, I think he can do decent in about 20-24 minutes a game.
Grant
Gallowy
Melo
Harris
Lopez
Team might at least be entertaining, ha.
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Rim Protection FG%
Robin Lopez 48%
DeAndre Jordan 48.5%
Greg Monroe 55.1%
Point Saved/36
Robin Lopez 2.40
DeAndre Jordan 0.18
Greg Monroe -1.23 http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/ - ( New Window )
Why isn't that Cole Aldrich is not considered a defensive presence? I mean his rim protection numbers are up there with Asik, I think he can do decent in about 20-24 minutes a game.
I thought Aldrich played well for us too.
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Grant
Gallowy
Melo
Harris
Lopez
Team might at least be entertaining, ha.
Koufos is right up there with him and will cost less than half I think. Can fit Harris and Koufos together with the remaining cap, possible stretch Calderon.
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@stephenasmith said Wade was gonna sign with the #Knicks until he found out they signed Affalo. Whoa
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Thank God.. last thing we need is another injured aging player
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Ohm Youngmisuk @NotoriousOHM 5m5 minutes ago
Now hearing Greg Monroe could decide who he will sign with later this afternoon.
Maybe he wants to go to the Knicks but they want to wait and see how their meetings with Aldridge and Jordan go today before committing. Gotta be optimistic right?
The fact the Knicks have not moved on to Monroe or Lopez and committed to one of those 2, tells me they are being told to hold off by Aldridge or Jordan...
Phil and Mills both said they would not sit around and wait for a player who didnt really want to be with the Knicks, so maybe they are being told to wait...
who knows though free agency is such a crap shoot...
Hoping this or something close is true.
I mean if you think about it, if the report about Monroe NOT being offered the max is legit, it makes me think the Knicks think they can land one of the bigger fish in LMA or Jordan. So perhaps NYK wanted to try land both LMA or DJ and squeeze in Monroe at a lower number to make the cap numbers fit.
When they realized Monroe wasn't going to bite for a discounted price, they went ahead and signed Afflalo (LMA's best bud) and have a strong indication that LMA or DJ are going to sign on the dotted line.
Wishful thinking, most likely. But holding out hope as LMA (and to a lesser extent DJ) are probably our only hope of not having yet another underwhelming season next year.
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@stephenasmith said Wade was gonna sign with the #Knicks until he found out they signed Affalo. Whoa
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Give me a damn break! LMAO!
And if he was going to sign with the Knicks wouldn't he have called them and got it done? What was he waiting for?
I can't stand SAS!
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Hearing that the Aron Baynes deal with Detroit is along the lines of Brandan Wright's new pact with Memphis and could rise as high as $20M
i consider myself a pretty big NBA fan and i have no idea who that is and he is getting 20M?
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Hearing that the Aron Baynes deal with Detroit is along the lines of Brandan Wright's new pact with Memphis and could rise as high as $20M
i consider myself a pretty big NBA fan and i have no idea who that is and he is getting 20M?
Played for Spurs. Looked decent in regular season but got embarrassed by Clippers. And I mean embarrassed.
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Hearing that the Aron Baynes deal with Detroit is along the lines of Brandan Wright's new pact with Memphis and could rise as high as $20M
i consider myself a pretty big NBA fan and i have no idea who that is and he is getting 20M?
Is it 20 million for 5 years???
He is a backup center..
NBA is getting out of control
Sounds perfect next to D Lee, who is all about scavenging boards.
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Hearing that the Aron Baynes deal with Detroit is along the lines of Brandan Wright's new pact with Memphis and could rise as high as $20M
i consider myself a pretty big NBA fan and i have no idea who that is and he is getting 20M?
Back up big from the SPurs. Got time when they rested Duncan or Splitter. Has some skill, purely a backup though.
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Hearing that the Aron Baynes deal with Detroit is along the lines of Brandan Wright's new pact with Memphis and could rise as high as $20M
i consider myself a pretty big NBA fan and i have no idea who that is and he is getting 20M?
Played for Spurs. Looked decent in regular season but got embarrassed by Clippers. And I mean embarrassed.
There's a 3rd one that I can't find.
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Hearing that the Aron Baynes deal with Detroit is along the lines of Brandan Wright's new pact with Memphis and could rise as high as $20M
i consider myself a pretty big NBA fan and i have no idea who that is and he is getting 20M?
Played for Spurs. Looked decent in regular season but got embarrassed by Clippers. And I mean embarrassed.
There's a 3rd one that I can't find.
Blake Griffin can do that to a lot of guys, though. I am not defending Baynes, but if he was getting abused by some lesser player it would be a stronger case.
Calling melo selfish is the biggest NBA IQ test out there
Not sure when they meet with Aldridge today
This is why I love Duncan. He's one of the 10 best players of all-time and he's carrying a bum out of the club because he's a good teammate.
Interesting, very interesting
its infuriating at times--- finally in the 2nd half of season brook realized he needs to finish the job- and starting collecting double doubles.
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Hearing that the Aron Baynes deal with Detroit is along the lines of Brandan Wright's new pact with Memphis and could rise as high as $20M
i consider myself a pretty big NBA fan and i have no idea who that is and he is getting 20M?
Played for Spurs. Looked decent in regular season but got embarrassed by Clippers. And I mean embarrassed.
There's a 3rd one that I can't find.
Blake Griffin can do that to a lot of guys, though. I am not defending Baynes, but if he was getting abused by some lesser player it would be a stronger case.
Certainly. It was a disclaimer I was going to throw in. But Blake did this all in one night I believe. In like the span of minutes. It was embarrassing and hard to watch. Pop basically super glued his ass to the bench for the rest of the series after this debacle. I felt for Baynes. And when I start to feel bad for a guy who's 100x more successful than me, it's embarrassing on several levels.
Hahn just made a comment saying something like Knicks were interested in Monroe but their plan changed...i dont know if he is hearing something or if it is just his opinion
Here's the video. It was the possession after he just got posterized, which makes it a little sweeter. And he also got blocked after getting dunked on twice. Video includes the dunk I couldn't find.
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Alan Hahn retweeted Buddy
I know Falk says otherwise, but I did not hear a "full" max was offered to Monroe.
1. It's Stephen A Smith. Screamin' A wants nothing more than the come off as a hot shot, I told you so, man of the people. Building for the future doesn't work in SAS's world because he lives in a 24 hour news cycle to spew garbage on his garbage show. It's only worth talking about if it can be treated like a huge story each day-- and making it seem like Wade was coming here to "save" the team, gives him that platform.
2. If Wade wanted to come to the Knicks, he would have made it known and there would have been discussion on it from reporters and discussing meeting times. To hear, after Afflalo signed, that Wade wanted to come here but for that is ludicrous.
ignoring the fact that Melo called Affalo recruiting him...
1. It's Stephen A Smith. Screamin' A wants nothing more than the come off as a hot shot, I told you so, man of the people. Building for the future doesn't work in SAS's world because he lives in a 24 hour news cycle to spew garbage on his garbage show. It's only worth talking about if it can be treated like a huge story each day-- and making it seem like Wade was coming here to "save" the team, gives him that platform.
2. If Wade wanted to come to the Knicks, he would have made it known and there would have been discussion on it from reporters and discussing meeting times. To hear, after Afflalo signed, that Wade wanted to come here but for that is ludicrous.
I don't know Wade pulled the same BS in 2010. He kept saying the Knicks was a real possibility for him. And I do believe Wade told SAS this info because it is typical Wade.
Alan Hahn retweeted Buddy
I know Falk says otherwise, but I did not hear a "full" max was offered to Monroe.
This just makes the Knicks look stupid IMO.
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Alan Hahn retweeted Buddy
I know Falk says otherwise, but I did not hear a "full" max was offered to Monroe.
This just makes the Knicks look stupid IMO.
Why because they are sticking to their plan and didnt want to give Monroe the max?
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Alan Hahn retweeted Buddy
I know Falk says otherwise, but I did not hear a "full" max was offered to Monroe.
This just makes the Knicks look stupid IMO.
Why because they are sticking to their plan and didnt want to give Monroe the max?
No because AGF likes Monroe and wanted him to be a Knick
The rumor with DeAndre has been the Mavericks or Clippers for a long time now. But the Knicks are simply a better spot for DeAndre to land than the Mavs outside of the Texas factor.
DeAndre/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Grant would be a lineup with potential in the East if the rooks play well. More than likely you'd sign a vet PF to start over KP as well. If the Knicks sign DeAndre, I'd throw a whole lot of money on Jerian Grant to win ROY because he'll be a great value.
watching players doesn't matter any more. its what the computer tells me his value add that matters............................
Yea it's kinda weird.
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You've been looking at his stats since you've heard the Knicks are interested in him.
watching players doesn't matter any more. its what the computer tells me his value add that matters............................
Sabermetrics! WOOO HOOOOOO!!!
Its his favoritest player in da hole wide world!
I'm always transparent on whether or not I know anything on a player. I don't have time to know every NBA player, and don't pretend to.
The New York Knicks are ramping up their pursuit of restricted free agent Patrick Beverley, per sources. The two sides are talking a lot.
The New York Knicks are ramping up their pursuit of restricted free agent Patrick Beverley, per sources. The two sides are talking a lot.
This seems....unwise.
I'm always transparent on whether or not I know anything on a player. I don't have time to know every NBA player, and don't pretend to.
I've followed Monroe in college. Its not like you are I are scouts. We are talking on an NFL forum afterall. It's one thing to be upset about a player who you (and even I) enjoy watching coming to your favorite team. But like you said, you don't have time to know every NBA player. But guess who does? Phil Jackson! And if he has reason to believe Monroe isn't worth what he got, that who are you and me to make any justified claims to the contrary?
The New York Knicks are ramping up their pursuit of restricted free agent Patrick Beverley, per sources. The two sides are talking a lot.
Osi! Make this stop! Make sure the Rockets are going to match any offers!
If we didn't offer him a max, my opinion would be is that he got too cute and wanted to see if he could get LMA or DeAndre first before committing to Monroe. I have no idea if that's true, but I just don't understand how in this cap world you don't see Greg Monroe being worth 16 million a year.
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The New York Knicks are ramping up their pursuit of restricted free agent Patrick Beverley, per sources. The two sides are talking a lot.
This seems....unwise.
At least he brings a little fire.
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The New York Knicks are ramping up their pursuit of restricted free agent Patrick Beverley, per sources. The two sides are talking a lot.
What is the game plan Phil? Seriously, going all out for a guy who was overrated and then exposed.
If we didn't offer him a max, my opinion would be is that he got too cute and wanted to see if he could get LMA or DeAndre first before committing to Monroe. I have no idea if that's true, but I just don't understand how in this cap world you don't see Greg Monroe being worth 16 million a year.
You can't look at every deal in a vacuum. These players don't get what they deserve, they get what they can leverage. The Cavs had nothing else to do with that money so the difference between $6 million and $10 million is just extra tax dollars that Gilbert doesn't care about handing out.
Clearly, Carroll dropped every other meeting cuz the Raptors gave him that offer. Why did they give him that offer? Well lets take a look and see their roster: Set at PG, set at SG, have a backup plan in place for Amir Johnson, and are set at center. What are they missing? A 3 and D wing. How much cap space do they have? Lots. Who are the options? Demarre Carroll and Wes Matthews. What is the alternative to spending $15 million on Carroll or Mathews? Close to nothing.
If we didn't offer him a max, my opinion would be is that he got too cute and wanted to see if he could get LMA or DeAndre first before committing to Monroe. I have no idea if that's true, but I just don't understand how in this cap world you don't see Greg Monroe being worth 16 million a year.
Or he has a pretty good indication that one of them is committing to come here. Otherwise why not offer Monroe the max unless you are trying to get him AND LMA or Jordan.
Greg Monroe's "max contract" isn't even that much money.
I'm always transparent on whether or not I know anything on a player. I don't have time to know every NBA player, and don't pretend to.
Ok... just checkin.
Let's hope it's not Adam Levine.
Color me optimistic, but I think there is more than a fleeting chance that we may soon see LMA or Jordan sign on the dotted line.
Cuban, Buss and Rivers?
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like it or not he is here to stay, he has a no trade clause he is not going anywhere...
He would go to Cleveland to plat with his Hero in a NY minute.
I'm liking the Thompson/Mosgov for Melo more and more. Hell, maybe Cleveland will even throw in a pick. LOL [/quote
You do realize Cleveland is going to be so far over the cap that they'd have to trade away half their team to fit Melo?
ummm Thompson and Mosgov account for $23mil combined...that's what Melo makes. And yes, I know Cavs get a steal...but I would rather blow this thing up and start over with young players than try to play beat the fucking clock with Melo....HE'S NEVER GOING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP IN NEW YORK! PERIOD!
So what's the point?!
Color me optimistic, but I think there is more than a fleeting chance that we may soon see LMA or Jordan sign on the dotted line.
The Knicks off season meltdown has officially arrived.
He went to Milwaukee because they have better talent and a better coach right now. I agree with both of those statements.
How do you not believe in the 3 point shot in this day in age?
lol. That's a satire website.
This is clearly fake. No matter how true it may be.
@NOTSportsCenter
SportsCenter style sports news, with a fake twist (parody, duh)
Holy fu....
Holy fu....
No worries they will have a work stoppage soon and blame the players for taking the money they are throwing at them.
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"On the 1st day of free agency, NBA teams committed $1.4 billion to free agents"
Holy fu....
No worries they will have a work stoppage soon and blame the players for taking the money they are throwing at them.
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"On the 1st day of free agency, NBA teams committed $1.4 billion to free agents"
Holy fu....
No worries they will have a work stoppage soon and blame the players for taking the money they are throwing at them.
Led by Dan Gilbert after the Cavs fail again next year...
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"On the 1st day of free agency, NBA teams committed $1.4 billion to free agents"
Holy fu....
No worries they will have a work stoppage soon and blame the players for taking the money they are throwing at them.
Led by Dan Gilbert after the Cavs fail again next year...
Pretty much. He embodies what is wrong with ownership in almost any league.
Beverley's other asset is his 3-point shooting. He is a career 36 percent shooter from distance, and though he's a bit prone to turnover, the triangle would reduce some of the need for slashing. As with Green and Carroll, the Knicks would probably have to overpay for Beverley. However, with the salary cap projected to take a massive leap in the 2016-17 season, there are much worse ways for Jackson to spend his team's money."
Beverley's other asset is his 3-point shooting. He is a career 36 percent shooter from distance, and though he's a bit prone to turnover, the triangle would reduce some of the need for slashing. As with Green and Carroll, the Knicks would probably have to overpay for Beverley. However, with the salary cap projected to take a massive leap in the 2016-17 season, there are much worse ways for Jackson to spend his team's money."
Melo is a great scorer but he isn't a guy who can run an offense like Harden. Bev is a tenacious guy that any fanbase could love, but he's not worth it for the Knicks imo. The Knicks would be better off letting Grant get more time.
DeAndre Jordan is in the midst of getting a face-to-face pitch from Phil Jackson and the rest of the Knicks' contingent as we speak
Free agent guard Shane Larkin has agreed to a two-year, $3M deal with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
fuck off dude. This is the second time you've done this. Either you're an idiot or painfully unfunny.
LOL. spelling matters. and so does reality
We have 2 of those potential players in the making. Its redundant. He takes minutes away from guys that need developing still.
Free agent guard Shane Larkin has agreed to a two-year, $3M deal with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
I guess when all you have is the mini mid level you have to sign dog squeeze.
im hoping Dallas strikes out on all PGs and decides to try and resurrect Dwill in a trade. not likely
Beverley's other asset is his 3-point shooting. He is a career 36 percent shooter from distance, and though he's a bit prone to turnover, the triangle would reduce some of the need for slashing. As with Green and Carroll, the Knicks would probably have to overpay for Beverley. However, with the salary cap projected to take a massive leap in the 2016-17 season, there are much worse ways for Jackson to spend his team's money."
Being borderline dirty does not make for a defensive ace.
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a 3 and D PG is perfect for the Knicks.
We have 2 of those potential players in the making. Its redundant. He takes minutes away from guys that need developing still.
He's better than both those potential players. I'd be ok with signing him. I'd rather see him out there most of the time than Calderon and Grant is not ready to play.
Plus, he's a tone setter on defense. Knicks haven't had that in a LONG time.
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a 3 and D PG is perfect for the Knicks.
We have 2 of those potential players in the making. Its redundant. He takes minutes away from guys that need developing still.
He's better than both those potential players. I'd be ok with signing him. I'd rather see him out there most of the time than Calderon and Grant is not ready to play.
Plus, he's a tone setter on defense. Knicks haven't had that in a LONG time.
His PER got worse every year. Its at 11. Don't think galloway/grant are destined to be that awful. Tearing meniscuses is not the "tone" I want.
I just don't see the value in signing a Beverley because we can. Hell I'd rather use the cap room in taking on a shit contract for a year la David Lee and getting a pick or two with it than spending it on a Beverley.
Trollololol.
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@AWojYahoo: LaMarcus Aldridge and Knicks reach verbal agreement on a max 4 year, $195 million contract, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. #NBA #Knicks
fuck off dude. This is the second time you've done this. Either you're an idiot or painfully unfunny.
LOL
"4 years, 195 million"
Dude... I can't
I was wrong guys. Bev is an all-world defender at the PG position and someone who is going to bring much needed toughness back to New York. He's an underrated offensive player too. Would be a great move for New York.
Melo is a great scorer but he isn't a guy who can run an offense like Harden. Bev is a tenacious guy that any fanbase could love, but he's not worth it for the Knicks imo. The Knicks would be better off letting Grant get more time.
Melo is basically a better version of Glenn Robinson. He is at his best when he has a floor general on the court, and also would be maximized with a 2 guard that could run through screens and create some floor spacing.
Sources: If Mavs miss on DeAndre Jordan, it's expected talks with Indiana on Monta Ellis-Roy Hibbert centered sign-and-trade will happen.
If they have this contingency already in place, they must not be that confident.
I was wrong guys. Bev is an all-world defender at the PG position and someone who is going to bring much needed toughness back to New York. He's an underrated offensive player too. Would be a great move for New York.
Don't screw us on this.
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a 3 and D PG is perfect for the Knicks.
We have 2 of those potential players in the making. Its redundant. He takes minutes away from guys that need developing still.
He's better than both those potential players. I'd be ok with signing him. I'd rather see him out there most of the time than Calderon and Grant is not ready to play.
Plus, he's a tone setter on defense. Knicks haven't had that in a LONG time.
His PER got worse every year. Its at 11. Don't think galloway/grant are destined to be that awful. Tearing meniscuses is not the "tone" I want.
His PER... We can hope that Galloway becomes as good as Beverly. But whatever. I'm not married to the guy. I just think he actually would be a good guard in this offense. He's basically the same as Galloway except far better defensively.
And he didn't tear anyone's meniscus. Shit happens. If that kind of aggressive defensive tone isn't something you want at least a little, you clearly weren't around for the 90s Knicks.
We should be trying to build teams that are better than the 90s Knicks.
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His PER... We can hope that Galloway becomes as good as Beverly. But whatever. I'm not married to the guy. I just think he actually would be a good guard in this offense. He's basically the same as Galloway except far better defensively.
And he didn't tear anyone's meniscus. Shit happens. If that kind of aggressive defensive tone isn't something you want at least a little, you clearly weren't around for the 90s Knicks.
Galloway is already better offensively as is solid defensively as a rookie.
And no, I was born in the 90s so I wasn't. I just know I don't want an overly-aggressive crackhead-looking mofo to be running our teams offense when the only way young guys develop is by playing. He's a specialist. Grant is an all around solid PG that can be the playmaker that we need.
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His PER... We can hope that Galloway becomes as good as Beverly. But whatever. I'm not married to the guy. I just think he actually would be a good guard in this offense. He's basically the same as Galloway except far better defensively.
And he didn't tear anyone's meniscus. Shit happens. If that kind of aggressive defensive tone isn't something you want at least a little, you clearly weren't around for the 90s Knicks.
Galloway is already better offensively as is solid defensively as a rookie.
And no, I was born in the 90s so I wasn't. I just know I don't want an overly-aggressive crackhead-looking mofo to be running our teams offense when the only way young guys develop is by playing. He's a specialist. Grant is an all around solid PG that can be the playmaker that we need.
Ok, I'm pretty certain that Galloway is exactly a lesser version of Beverly and it might be reasonably close. So, I get your point.
But, signing beverly for a few years doesn't mean that Grant can't be the guy for the Knicks. It just means that you don't hand him the job and hope he is. The knicks need a lot of good players. To me, there's nothing wrong with bringing in Beverly.
And I like the defensive on the ball pressure. He makes the guys he guards very uncomfortable and is great at picking a PG's pocket. As a fan of those 90s teams I would love to see some damn defense like that when I watch the games.
Phoenix has traded Marcus Morris, Reggie Bullock and Danny Granger to Detroit for future picks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
We should be trying to build teams that are better than the 90s Knicks.
hahahaha! Ok. But, seriously, let's build a team that's as close to the 90's/early 2K Knicks, alright? Then you can dream of championships. The Knicks haven't been close to that forever. Go ahead and crap on the 90s Knicks. They were a lot of things. The worst run team in basketball wasn't one of them. That's what the Knicks have been since then.
And a 2-3 year deal for Patrick Beverly is not gonna stop your dream of championships some day.
I am not saying bring back the 90s Knicks, fer chrissakes.
Phoenix has traded Marcus Morris, Reggie Bullock and Danny Granger to Detroit for future picks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Hmm.. last attempt at luring LMA.
I know that. It's not inconsistent with anything I've said. Tenacious on the ball defense will never go out of style. But I think I'm out of enthusiasm for arguing about Patrick Beverly.
Kind of hard to focus just on the PG slot without acknowledging that those Bulls and Lakers teams had the best 2 SGs in league history. Kind of an aberration.
Phoenix doesn't have to clear anymore space. They now have over $20 million available.
DeAndre
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Phoenix doesn't have to clear anymore space. They now have over $20 million available.
Not really, but they can probably swing it with someone less than Bledsoe.
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Beverley makes some nifty steals and can pickpocket anyone in the league, but he's not some great defensive player. He's closer to average than he is "great". I'd call him good because of his tenacity, but he's a limited athlete and it shows when he's going up against good PGs. He's no Mike Conley or Chris Paul on the defensive end, that's for sure. Plus in Houston, Bev had Howard to back him up whereas in New York he'll have ?
DeAndre
You can't have Beverley and Jordan unless you move Calderon and even then it's tight.
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Phoenix doesn't have to clear anymore space. They now have over $20 million available.
Not really, but they can probably swing it with someone less than Bledsoe.
Yeah I don't know how exactly it works but according to Ken Berger they now have a max slot available.
He fucked up immensely by picking Stanley Johnson over Justise Winslow. Of all the teams who passed on Winslow, the Pistons will be the one we remember 5 years from now who blew it the most.
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He fucked up immensely by picking Stanley Johnson over Justise Winslow. Of all the teams who passed on Winslow, the Pistons will be the one we remember 5 years from now who blew it the most.
yeah I personally don't get it, but my only thought is that he thinks Stanley can be an undersized 4, kind of reminds of a Draymond Green-esque player. Tough defender at times, can't finish at the rim, can hit a 3 pointer if left open.
But besides the pick, I think its a solid team, much improved from last year. Ilyasova and Morris really fit the floor spacing he needs. Hes surrounded Drummond with shooters. Even on the bench, Baynes is the only other player that can't hit a 3 on the roster.
He's on the Pistons now.
Shhhh.
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He's on the Pistons now.
Yeah, if the Suns get LMA, they won't have much use for either of the Morrises. That's why they both make sense to move. One already gone and if they get LMA, Markieff would make a good use of our cap space. Probably better than Lee.
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to Osi's. Did not see Lopes's..
Yeah, if the Suns get LMA, they won't have much use for either of the Morrises. That's why they both make sense to move. One already gone and if they get LMA, Markieff would make a good use of our cap space. Probably better than Lee.
I read that they have enough space now tho, is that true? Because i would think they would keep Markieff because he would start at SF, unless they are doing the 2 PG lineup still.
Wha..how.. is bosh not good enough for them?
This is very odd. Teams get burned moving assets before the commitment IMO. We bailed on ZBO to sign LeBron, who didnt want to play here. ZBo win shares since 2010-11: 34.0. Amare win shares over same: 22.2
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Wha..how.. is bosh not good enough for them?
Maybe Bosh isn't healthy enough to play?
Stunning "@daldridgetnt: Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings: LaMarcus Aldridge has cancelled his meeting with the Knicks today,per source
Stunning "@daldridgetnt: Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings: LaMarcus Aldridge has cancelled his meeting with the Knicks today,per source
Fuck
Knicks meeting was cancelled once it became clear NY wanted Aldridge to play center, something he is adamant against doing, per source.
Knicks meeting was cancelled once it became clear NY wanted Aldridge to play center, something he is adamant against doing, per source.
Knicks meeting was cancelled once it became clear NY wanted Aldridge to play center, something he is adamant against doing, per source.
He seems like a prima donna. What happens when Duncan retires? Is he going to refuse to play center there too?
I doubt he could hypnotize Beno Udrih at this point.
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Knicks meeting was cancelled once it became clear NY wanted Aldridge to play center, something he is adamant against doing, per source.
He seems like a prima donna. What happens when Duncan retires? Is he going to refuse to play center there too?
They may promise him he doesn't have to (Duncan reportedly is signing for 2 years)
63 games as a rookie
According to 82games.com, not last year but 2 years ago and 4 years ago he got significant run at center -- like 1/4 to 1/3 of his minutes.
Probably didnt insist. Maybe a lack of a promise that he WOULDNT play center & no obvious center around, plus Melo and Porz taking minutes at the 4.
I suspect he just didnt want to meet with us. Thought scheduling meetings with everyone was going to be fun, but then the way he turned down the Lakers led to criticism of him from some quarters.
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Probably didnt insist. Maybe a lack of a promise that he WOULDNT play center & no obvious center around, plus Melo and Porz taking minutes at the 4.
I suspect he just didnt want to meet with us. Thought scheduling meetings with everyone was going to be fun, but then the way he turned down the Lakers led to criticism of him from some quarters.
I dunno, whatever they said was enough that he canceled the meeting entirely. Sounds like they expected more center play than "once in a while". What this suggests to me is Melo at the 4 is going to happen hook or crook which makes more sense... IF YOU HAVE A 3 on the ROSTER!!
He's signed Afflalo for a reasonable deal too. Yes he dealt low on Chandler and JR and Shump, but frankly 2 of those 3 were dogs who were unlikely to increase their value playing hard on a struggling squad.
I doubt he did anything more than suggest LMA might play some C for the Knicks which through the game of telephone that is the largely unaccountable sports media got transformed into "insisting" that he play C. And if Phil has a vision of a team where a talented and long PF play some minutes at C, he shouldn't budge on that vision. Fuck LMA if he's not willing to play some C in an increasingly small-ball world. The idea of a 6'11" 240 PF with good mobility playing some C is absolutely reasonable.
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Knicks meeting was cancelled once it became clear NY wanted Aldridge to play center, something he is adamant against doing, per source.
He seems like a prima donna. What happens when Duncan retires? Is he going to refuse to play center there too?
He seems like a prima donna because he doesn't want to play a position he doesn't play?
Tell me how Stephen Curry reacts to being a SG or Kevin Durant to play PF exclusively when their FA arrives.
Phil obviously didn't do much homework on LMA, as it's been known for the longest time that he likes to play beside a Center who does the dirty work so he doesn't have to.
My guess is one of two things, first more likely: (1) he knew at least after talking to LAL and TOR that he wasnt signing here because we're no closer to winning, and this center "reasoning" is just a vague excuse to get out of the meeting, or (2) he insists that a capable center be in place as his guarantee, and with the Afflalo signing we cant get Lopez, the lowest rung of acceptable C.
I'll concede that my opinion of him is slipping. His camp is over-sharing info, and the embarrassing of the Lakers + center stuff just rubs me wrong (Lakers part moreso).
My guess is one of two things, first more likely: (1) he knew at least after talking to LAL and TOR that he wasnt signing here because we're no closer to winning, and this center "reasoning" is just a vague excuse to get out of the meeting, or (2) he insists that a capable center be in place as his guarantee, and with the Afflalo signing we cant get Lopez, the lowest rung of acceptable C.
I'll concede that my opinion of him is slipping. His camp is over-sharing info, and the embarrassing of the Lakers + center stuff just rubs me wrong (Lakers part moreso).
But he's meeting with the Lakers a second time AND added the Heat. The Heat are in better position than we are but are they really a title team on paper? Wade, Bosh, LMA, Dragic and Whiteside is a nice group but title contenders? I guess in the east they would be.
Sure Dan, I think it's unlikely that LMA didn't know how bad our roster was or how faraway from contending we are. But even if I grant that, there's all sorts of reasons LMA could've cancalled which seem equally as plausible (read implausible) as Phil going gungho about LMA as primarily a C.
Precisely.
Unless we get Jordan....
If Jordan doesn't sign that sounds like a great idea to me.
I'd also seriously consider the Melo to the Rockets trade proposal especially if you could get another team involved that might net us a future top 5 protected pick (or better).
Capela and a shot at a potential lottery pick would be a nice step towards the rebuild.
let the BBI Knicks meltdown continue...
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move is to rent out cap room for assets. Look around for David Lee situations. Forget the dream of being "really good" this year, shoot for an 8 seed-esque roster with added assets.
If Jordan doesn't sign that sounds like a great idea to me.
I'd also seriously consider the Melo to the Rockets trade proposal especially if you could get another team involved that might net us a future top 5 protected pick (or better).
Capela and a shot at a potential lottery pick would be a nice step towards the rebuild.
Pray you can find something like the Sixers did (or in that model) and keep an open mind to any Melo offers that come along.
I look at the East I don't see a ton of bruising C's. I look out west and I don't see tons of guys with power post games. I can understand not wanting to play C. But I do think suggesting that LMA's best fit with the Knicks would be part time PF/part time C is not unreasonable and that if LMA rejected us solely on the basis of that, he's kind of a little bitch.
He seems like a prima donna because he doesn't want to play a position he doesn't play?
Tell me how Stephen Curry reacts to being a SG or Kevin Durant to play PF exclusively when their FA arrives.
Phil obviously didn't do much homework on LMA, as it's been known for the longest time that he likes to play beside a Center who does the dirty work so he doesn't have to.
No, this is just a little piece of the picture. He has jerked around Team USA several times. He has all these teams give him presentations, and then embarrasses the Lakers because he didnt like their presentation (I thought that was unprofessional, but others disagree). Now he's taking another meeting with them -- why? Does he need a scouting report on Kobe? They have 3 players for god's sake. Cancelling before meeting with the Knicks is just bizarre and seems pretextual (the meeting is where the Knicks will tell them how they'll use him; WTF changed in the last 24 hours?).
I might be very wrong. Just a not-strong intuition that he's a bit of a prima donna.
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think it's crazy to suggest that LMA doesnt want to bang all day as an undersized center.
I look at the East I don't see a ton of bruising C's. I look out west and I don't see tons of guys with power post games. I can understand not wanting to play C. But I do think suggesting that LMA's best fit with the Knicks would be part time PF/part time C is not unreasonable and that if LMA rejected us solely on the basis of that, he's kind of a little bitch.
Don't disagree with any of this.
we just can't seem to lure any free agents
Obviously because we don't have any talent on this roster but I mean is the best we can look forward to is taking some over priced player off a contending teams hand for a late first
Is that the best we can look forward to. Meanwhile our team that is potentially a lottery team doesn't even have there pick next year
However, we're seeing that FAs dont want to go to bad teams. If we trade Melo, we're the worst team in the NBA. No #1 next year. We'll win 17 games again and no UFA will want to come. Now we're in 2016-17 with effectively the same cast, except Porz is a year older. That's not a 40 win team either. So summer of 2017 we still suck, and maybe we finally have another good pick but no UFAs.
But if you keep Melo, sign Lopez and a $4-6 million guy this offseason, we can compete for an 8 seed. Maybe next offseason we're not viewed as a dumpster fire and a better UFA signs with us. Just sounds more appealing.
It can't be the position thing because what position is he going yo play with spurs when Duncan retires?...what position will he play with the Lakers?
We are missing something
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think it's crazy to suggest that LMA doesnt want to bang all day as an undersized center.
I look at the East I don't see a ton of bruising C's. I look out west and I don't see tons of guys with power post games. I can understand not wanting to play C. But I do think suggesting that LMA's best fit with the Knicks would be part time PF/part time C is not unreasonable and that if LMA rejected us solely on the basis of that, he's kind of a little bitch.
Where is there a quote saying it was him part time at C and not full time? Or are you just assuming? (Not being snarky, just wondering)
Because it's completely understandable if a guy doesn't want to play out of position full time.
It can't be the position thing because what position is he going yo play with spurs when Duncan retires?...what position will he play with the Lakers?
We are missing something
When Duncan retires they'll call up one of their 50 euro-stash players.
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think it's crazy to suggest that LMA doesnt want to bang all day as an undersized center.
I look at the East I don't see a ton of bruising C's. I look out west and I don't see tons of guys with power post games. I can understand not wanting to play C. But I do think suggesting that LMA's best fit with the Knicks would be part time PF/part time C is not unreasonable and that if LMA rejected us solely on the basis of that, he's kind of a little bitch.
Where is there a quote saying it was him part time at C and not full time? Or are you just assuming? (Not being snarky, just wondering)
Because it's completely understandable if a guy doesn't want to play out of position full time.
That's a fair question; I'm probably doing a bit of assuming here. My main assumption is that Phil isn't an idiot and has some awareness of what LMA was about before he came in (i.e. LMA considers himself a 4).
Oh well on to the next one...Knicks apparently still meeting with jordan
Hold on to Melo and see how the team plays in the second year of the triangle. They will be in a much better position to judge the nature and time fram of the rebuild after they see their two draft picks play a couple of months in the NBA.
Oh well on to the next one...Knicks apparently still meeting with jordan
And it went well.
I have no idea, but Blakey sets DeAndre up pretty well too.
I believe each team has a buyout limit so 2 players with a buyout might be an issue.
Isn't there a cap on how much we can use to buy out his contract? I remember there was for when Minn was talking aboht buying out Rubio's contract at the time
Dont know how many of his FGs were from Paul, but 69% of his FGs were assisted. Blake 67%. Among real centers, a few: D12 and Gasol were low 60s. Drummond 50%. BLopez 65%, Vuc 66%. Anthony Davis interestingly at 71%.
Deej thanks. I admittedly don't pay attention to DeAndre Jordan offensively beyond his highlight dunks
Don't know about 'oops but in his career 68.8% of DeAndre Jordan's dunks are assisted. Also in his career his field goal attempts are on average 2 feet from the basket. He's 71.2% on FG's from 0-3 ft, 46.6% from 3-10 ft, 37% from 10-16 and less than 20% from 16+ ft.
Hope this helps DMM and thanks for getting these started every morning. It helps the day along!
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worried about Jordan offensively without Chris Paul throwing him those alleys. Any idea what % of his offense is dunks set up by Paul? While I want to get better I'm scared of Jordan being our get
Don't know about 'oops but in his career 68.8% of DeAndre Jordan's dunks are assisted. Also in his career his field goal attempts are on average 2 feet from the basket. He's 71.2% on FG's from 0-3 ft, 46.6% from 3-10 ft, 37% from 10-16 and less than 20% from 16+ ft.
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Hey if I'm reading all of this stuff anyway, why not post in on here? lol
They had 1.9m left of mini mid level
Actually a good draft/offseason for the nets considering what they were working with flexibility wise- more athletic -
At this point, it could even be a WNBA team. Any of them have a pf available?
At this point, it could even be a WNBA team. Any of them have a pf available?
Well they already screwed a WNBA team -- didnt they put Zeke in charge of the Liberty?
FLASH: Dwyane Wade accepts deal to stay with Miami Heat, source tells The Associated Press.
Now the Lakers are deleting Adam Levine tweets, and David West is saying what everyone is thinking when they look at the Knicks:
This is when everyone around the league goes, LOL, SO MUCH FOR THE KNICKS AND LAKERS MYSTIQUE. But that isnt quite right.
The Knicks appeal is real every summer, almost any big-name free agent will take a meeting with them. Aldridge is getting set to meet with them as I type this. And the Lakers track record over the past 40 years speaks for itself. Everyone from Kareem to Shaq to Dwight has sought them out.
The reality of the Knicks and Lakers is closer to this: The mystique is real and powerful, but it only matters when theres actual basketball to sell, too. And that second part has always been true
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This all said, you try to sign Lopez if Jordan doesn't sign. A good center is still very valuable.
So does the whole East just bottom out Philly style? Seems so unappealing. But even if we do it, we can wait a year -- Melo's value is likely to IMPROVE and we have no #1 anyway.
We believed you on face value because the excerpt sounded really intelligent, i.e. like anything Lowe would write.
Yeah it's a good article. It makes sense defensivley for the bucks too. They have shooters on deck if they need.
Unaffordable. Harris will need a max. Lopez is certainly getting well over 10.
NO!
Trying this again next year is almost certainly not going to work. Durant isn't going to another team unless it's ready made to compete for a title.
So does the whole East just bottom out Philly style? Seems so unappealing. But even if we do it, we can wait a year -- Melo's value is likely to IMPROVE and we have no #1 anyway.
That's fine by me.
Honestly if we don't trade Melo at all and play out his contract, he seems like he'll be a good value for a long time coming. I disliked Melo at the max given the old cap. I now adore Melo's contract given the new cap.
I don't want to bottom out either. I'd just like to see something out KP this year and for Grant to show the potential to be a starting PG. That would count as a success for me. I want to think about serious contention roughly three seasons from now, as LBJ ages and our younger core (hopefully supplemented with some more talent) matures.
I was actually going to say the same thing but about Grant. Hopefully one of the 2 will be good enough to
make free agents offseason feel like we have more pieces in place than just Melo.
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That's Andrew Sharp, not Zach Lowe. I was just previously reading Zach Lowes article on the Bucks and Greg Monroe, which is very good as well. Sorry.
We believed you on face value because the excerpt sounded really intelligent, i.e. like anything Lowe would write.
Honestly, that's why my knee jerk reaction was to say Zach Lowe.
I'm latching onto any positive I can find here.
I can't stand only two people in basketball: a) Kobe Bryant b) Pat Riley
It's not likely. But it's the whole point of having Fisher, right?
Problem is that with his no trade clause and being a very good player, those picks are going to suck. Unless you can get unprotected picks belonging to 3rd teams. Like if we could get our #1 back from the Raps.
Moreover, getting Jordan and getting some contributions from the rookies is not horribly improbable either.
I don't blame this on Melo, but you do see that players don't think nearly as highly of playing with him as we thought. It's more the rest of the roster than him though but if they thought he was excellent you'd see someone willing to join him and try to go after it together.
That's fine by me.
Honestly if we don't trade Melo at all and play out his contract, he seems like he'll be a good value for a long time coming. I disliked Melo at the max given the old cap. I now adore Melo's contract given the new cap.
Do you really think that he won't be pulling some nonsense in order to renegotiate when he sees what other guys get paid? Doesn't sound like him. In his head he is a top guy and will likely be a pain in the ass if he isn't paid like one. It wasn't like he made any concessions in order to have better guys around him in the past. IMHO
I can't stand only two people in basketball: a) Kobe Bryant b) Pat Riley
Agreed, though I'd add Jordan to that list
"Hey LaMarcus. If you, a better player than I, were to sign to sign for the Lakers, you could be my sidekick and constantly be disrespected any time I *&$#ed up on the court. Consider yourself blessed."
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KD I'm ecstatic.
I can't stand only two people in basketball: a) Kobe Bryant b) Pat Riley
Agreed, though I'd add Jordan to that list
I love Jordan. He was an asshole but he's also the GOAT. I'm just glad I've gotten to watch LBJ's career in full.
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That's fine by me.
Honestly if we don't trade Melo at all and play out his contract, he seems like he'll be a good value for a long time coming. I disliked Melo at the max given the old cap. I now adore Melo's contract given the new cap.
Do you really think that he won't be pulling some nonsense in order to renegotiate when he sees what other guys get paid? Doesn't sound like him. In his head he is a top guy and will likely be a pain in the ass if he isn't paid like one. It wasn't like he made any concessions in order to have better guys around him in the past. IMHO
NBA contracts cant be renegotiated. And Melo took a sub-max deal so that we'd have more room to sign free agents.
I dont get why Knicks fans are such dicks towards Melo. Is it his fault that Amare blew out his knee before he ever signed with us? Does anyone even follow this league? The best teams have two or more stars plus other good players. They have rim protectors and 3-and-D role players. Where is Melo's help? The one year Amare was healthy, we were really good.
Who knows? Maybe he doesn't believe in KP? Maybe he doesn't think highly of Melo? Maybe he doesn't like NY? He cancelled the meeting. We don't really know why.
I sweated once about LBJ. No player now or in the future is going to worry me, especially one lightyears away from LBJ's caliber.
DJ is the guy I've wanted the whole time anyway. I think he's the best fit. If we still have any shot at him I'm crossing my fingers hard.
Cool.
That said Jordan-Melo-KP-Afflalo-Grant might be a halfway decent lineup in the east. I think they could contend for a the 7/8 seed.
Calderon - Afflalo - Melo - Lee - Lopez
is probably good enough to get us into the playoffs, and we have improved flexibility and assets going into the summer of 2016.
I don't blame this on Melo, but you do see that players don't think nearly as highly of playing with him as we thought. It's more the rest of the roster than him though but if they thought he was excellent you'd see someone willing to join him and try to go after it together.
I dont think it has anything to do with Melo. The roster sucks. Add Anthony Davis to this team and nothing else -- we're still not winning a title.
Moreover, I think the whole one guy will recruit the other guy theory is a total flop. Aldridge is balking at the Spurs. Deandre is looking to leave Paul and Blake. D12 and Pau bailed on Kobe. Gasol didnt want to move. Cavs were built thru trades, and the Heat before them was not a recruiting issue -- it was a team up (orchestrated by LeBron). Indeed, LeBron bailed on Wade and Bosh, even after Wade opted out to free up money to retain LeBron and make other moves. Carmelo stayed in NY, Bosh in Miami, and Dirk in Dallas, Paul in LA. Davis and Lillard just resigned too.
Everyone thought that the Heat would usher in a new era of UFAs teaming up, and one superstar begetting another. It didnt happen. Im as surprised as anyone.
Calderon - Afflalo - Melo - Lee - Lopez
is probably good enough to get us into the playoffs, and we have improved flexibility and assets going into the summer of 2016.
We'd have to stretch Calderon to make that even slightly plausible.
I don't think we have a shot at him though. I think he stays with Clips.
That said Jordan-Melo-KP-Afflalo-Grant might be a halfway decent lineup in the east. I think they could contend for a the 7/8 seed.
Easily a top 6 team, maybe better. Look at what got a 7 seed this year.
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That's a bad strategy.
That said Jordan-Melo-KP-Afflalo-Grant might be a halfway decent lineup in the east. I think they could contend for a the 7/8 seed.
Easily a top 6 team, maybe better. Look at what got a 7 seed this year.
I expect the Bucks to be better and the Magic too. If we couid get Jordan and get the 7th seed, I'd feel a lot better going into the 2016 FA market (and the future more generally).
Hopefully Knicks can at least wrap up Lopez tonight to give them a defensive 5...
You really thought DJ was going to make a choice before hearing what the Clippers have to say?
Melo had a meeting with the Knicks last year.
Hibbert fills the hole at 5 with no commitment beyond this year. I DO NOT think he is big piece or something to build around going forward, but he does the needful making the team more competitive this year, with some limited upside, and doesn't consume any of the future flexibility
For the record, the Knicks offered the maximum for any number of years Greg wanted, Falk said. It was misreported. Money was not an issue.
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The Knicks got an audience with Jordan, but one source indicated they arent in the picture because they arent a viable contender. It was reported Jordan is only considering the Clippers and Mavericks. Thats the pattern unfolding starting with The Posts report earlier this week David West wouldnt consider the Knicks because of their low-level status.
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Falk said the Knicks pitch at midnight Wednesday was fine, but the roster wasnt.
This isnt the Academy Awards the Knicks did a great job, the Knicks didnt have to make a pitch, Falk said. Phil Jackson, the name speaks for itself. Hes won more championships than anyone. The Garden speaks for itself. In this compressed free agency, if they had added two players, three players, it may have been different, but that didnt happen. It was about who was on the roster. [Monroe] likes Milwaukees young nucleus.
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It was a small chance to begin with. The current GM and coach aren't to blame. They were forced to play a shitty hand by a decade or more of incompetent management of the franchise.
Build for the future. No Band Aids. The reactionary fan base will flip out and whine that they've waited sooo long. The organization has to stop listening to that crap. There is a right way and a wrong way to run things. For once the Knicks should take try the right way. Drafting KP was a good start. Now we'll see if they have the patience and fortitude to see it through.
All else being equal, why would a player come to the Knicks?
All else being equal, why would a player come to the Knicks?
The Mecca of basketball!
All else being equal, why would a player come to the Knicks?
You have a player agent making it clear to you. The roster sucks.
The paradox has always been when we are good we are capped out, and when we have cap room nobody wants our money because we emptied out the roster to get there. How do good teams stay good and still afford to bring in other stars? They draft well and treat the 2nd rd. like a developmental round to take shots on Euro's. So they have contributors on the roster who are cost controlled or can be used as assets to land a real star. I know I'm not telling you guys something you don't know. I have hope though. In his early stages Phil has shown that he sees this reality and is doing the best he can having been dealt such a shitty hand. '97 was probably the only year it came together with a decent roster and cap room. That team did some good things together but couldn't win it all.
Draft better players each year? Groundbreaking.
I still hate myself for thinking that Bargnani trade was solid. Everything was so simple back then.
All else being equal, why would a player come to the Knicks?
You have a player agent making it clear to you. The roster sucks.
He certainly hasnt been a problem for the Rangers of late.
And yet, for years we've had a total win-now mentality. He hires a new GM, and that GM is short-sighted. I have to think he's hiring the guys telling him what he wants to hear -- that we can get to contention quickly, draft picks dont matter outside the top 5 etc.
Moreover, and I have no evidence of this, I have to think that that famously toxic environment and losing/win-now environment makes it hard for us to attract and retain the best talent among advanced stats guys, scouts etc. And that the ones we have are probably disheartened. These guys want to work for teams with methodical and open approaches, young GMs looking for fresh ideas etc.
/end FA
Also which one of you was saying that the first rounder given in the Bargnani deal wasn't worth crying over? How did you even rationalize that? I remember being told I was overreacting over that deal and that I had overreacted over Shumpert over Middleton too.
I told you so's are fun with this franchise.
Whatever, the key to the Knicks resurgence was this draft and it was always about this draft. If they can develop two young players next season I will be fine with this summer. I wanted Monroe or Jordan but it ain't happening. Move on. Don't throw good money after bad just because the Knicks don't have a first rounder next season. Suck it up and play like a team and see what happens.
Anyone saying this is the most depressing time to be a Knicks fan, and it was mentioned on this thread, is nuts. The mid 2000s dwarf this moment by a wide margin in terms of misery and there was never any end in sight.
Again, we have two blue chip young talents in the fold. We have never had this in my lifetime. It's all about the kids. Want to bring in the big FA one day then this team needs to develop some identity. You do that by developing the kids.
And if melo complains I'd laugh in his face if I'm Phil. Cry me a fucking river there Melo... Want out? Peace we will trade you. He's got value.
Whatever, the key to the Knicks resurgence was this draft and it was always about this draft. If they can develop two young players next season I will be fine with this summer. I wanted Monroe or Jordan but it ain't happening. Move on. Don't throw good money after bad just because the Knicks don't have a first rounder next season. Suck it up and play like a team and see what happens.
Anyone saying this is the most depressing time to be a Knicks fan, and it was mentioned on this thread, is nuts. The mid 2000s dwarf this moment by a wide margin in terms of misery and there was never any end in sight.
Again, we have two blue chip young talents in the fold. We have never had this in my lifetime. It's all about the kids. Want to bring in the big FA one day then this team needs to develop some identity. You do that by developing the kids.
And if melo complains I'd laugh in his face if I'm Phil. Cry me a fucking river there Melo... Want out? Peace we will trade you. He's got value.
Absolutely.
I think when the Knicks are actually a legitimately attractive team for players and have a strong nucleus and some depth/young talent, Melo won't even be part of the equation anymore. It just isn't going to happen within the last of his better years.
I like the guy and probably defend him more than most but if we could recoup assets for him it would probably expedite our rebuild.
Now about the picks. I feel that the Knicks have drafted well. I don't think the problem is evaluating players in the draft. The problem is not having picks. That is the big problem. We basically started mortgaging our future in the 90s or 2000s and we have been paying this debt ever since. I like how we are trying to acquire picks and not give them away anymore.
This will turn around but it is probably going to take time the only way I see having an immediate turnaround is if we somehow got Durant next year. Outside of that this will take a few years and I'm fine with that. Our GM has to do what is right for the Knicks organization long term. It isn't about mortgaging the future for a one time title chance. It is about having the ability to have sustained success. The picture is much bigger than Melo's window. If we can put a contender on the floor while he is here then great. If not, we need to have the goal of long term sustained success. Melo was an asset. He needs to be treated as such. If our long term success involves trading Melo them so be it. But this is where I see Dolan getting involved. I don't think he'd ever allow that. And that is a big problem.
When Walsh couldn't sign a core player out of the Lebron/Wade/JJ/Bosh class he spent the money on a player with serious durability concerns. Things rapidly spiraled out of control in the ensuing years. Phil needs to diverge from that course now. This free agent class has some value guys still available that can be important role players. That is the route to take. Don't go spending the cap room to appease the fans...or the owner for that matter.
Phil needs to take the path less traveled by Knicks management...it will make all the difference.
Well that wasn't hindsight. Any one who had any understanding of Bargnani's game could see it was a bad idea. You don't trade first rounders for reclamation projects with a largely in their prime or older roster.
Also which one of you was saying that the first rounder given in the Bargnani deal wasn't worth crying over? How did you even rationalize that? I remember being told I was overreacting over that deal and that I had overreacted over Shumpert over Middleton too.
I told you so's are fun with this franchise.
Probably me.
STFU please. Please?
+1
Absolutely correct that you can't put lipstick on a pig, but it's disappointing that we couldn't convince our top targets to come to NY. Now Phil has a tough decision...pick less ideal fits (and older players) for the system, or go into another season with a pretty awful team, and without a #1. Let's hope that he has the cojones to make the hard choices...and if that means trading Melo and fighting Dolan over such a move, more power to him.
Knicks would still have 7-9 million left to spend
Not in this market...the teams that miss on Jordan are going to start bidding on Lopez
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only way I think the Knicks get out of this mess is simply to stop trading away draft picks and start drafting better players each year.
Draft better players each year? Groundbreaking.
If you read this entire thread, that concept seems to elude some. FA isn't going to fix the Knicks.
Knicks would still have 7-9 million left to spend
Phil Jackson defenders please come defend this bullshit. This better not be credible. $12 million to Robin Lopez????
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12 million a year according to Woj
Knicks would still have 7-9 million left to spend
Phil Jackson defenders please come defend this bullshit. This better not be credible. $12 million to Robin Lopez????
Have you not seen the contracts given out? what did you expect to get him for?
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12 million a year according to Woj
Knicks would still have 7-9 million left to spend
Phil Jackson defenders please come defend this bullshit. This better not be credible. $12 million to Robin Lopez????
Have you not seen the contracts given out? what did you expect to get him for?
Wait I thought the consensus yesterday was that Phil was being financially prudent. Why throw huge money at guys below 2nd tier. Giving Lopez that sort of money destroys that whole stance.
But Lopez does make some sense. Frontcourt defense is a need, no doubt.
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12 million a year according to Woj
Knicks would still have 7-9 million left to spend
Phil Jackson defenders please come defend this bullshit. This better not be credible. $12 million to Robin Lopez????
Have you not seen the contracts given out? what did you expect to get him for?
Wait I thought the consensus yesterday was that Phil was being financially prudent. Why throw huge money at guys below 2nd tier. Giving Lopez that sort of money destroys that whole stance.
Depending on years 12-13 million for a 7 footer in this market is actually a fair deal...
Amir Johnson got 12 million
Jae Crowder got 15 million
Iman fucking Shumpert got 10 million
If you read this entire thread, that concept seems to elude some. FA isn't going to fix the Knicks.
The solution is going to be a combo of the two. We're not going to bottom out Philly style of Phil/Dolan can help it. We have a superstar (yes, Melo is a superstar). Afflalo is a good 4th/5th starter, as would be Robin Lopez. Even if those guys arent the answer long term, you sign them and trade them for #1s if they perform. We took the highest upside kid in the draft.
We also cant just wait around for the draft. We dont have a #1 pick next year. I mean we can, but squandering cap space is as problematic as squandering #1s. And lets remember -- NBA #1s outside of the top handful of picks are a total crapshoot. You could pick mid lottery for 10 years without ever hitting one allstar (and one allstar is not enough).
Free Agency isn't going to "fix" the Knicks, but you can't even net any complementary pieces if every player in the league looks at you like you're toxic waste.
Basketball isn't quite like football in terms of team building, but if you don't draft well, you're still not likely to be a serious contender.
So say the Knicks kick ass in the rest of this FA, how good will they really be? Not good enough and they won't have a #1 pick next year.
What they need to do is determine how long Jackson really wants to do this. Because if he's only in this for 1-3 more years, then his replacement may blow things up again.
Free Agency isn't going to "fix" the Knicks, but you can't even net any complementary pieces if every player in the league looks at you like you're toxic waste.
That's the approach Wellington Mara took in the 1960s and 1970s.
No it means Jordan told them no and they are moving down their list...
Lopez is the next player on their list and the next player that fits their team...
you realize there is no chance to get him on a bargain deal...teams that do not get Jordan are going to bid on him..
Basketball isn't quite like football in terms of team building, but if you don't draft well, you're still not likely to be a serious contender.
So say the Knicks kick ass in the rest of this FA, how good will they really be? Not good enough and they won't have a #1 pick next year.
What they need to do is determine how long Jackson really wants to do this. Because if he's only in this for 1-3 more years, then his replacement may blow things up again.
Knicks have to hope they can get some role players in free agency and hope Porzingis becomes the star they think he can become
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So Phil Jackson wanted Robin Lopez all along and knew this was in fact the market.
No it means Jordan told them no and they are moving down their list...
Lopez is the next player on their list and the next player that fits their team...
you realize there is no chance to get him on a bargain deal...teams that do not get Jordan are going to bid on him..
What was the offer to Jordan?
To me, THAT will be one of the faster roads to being a competitor in the east and giving any potential FAs an inkling of a damn of an interest in being a NYK.
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So Phil Jackson wanted Robin Lopez all along and knew this was in fact the market.
No it means Jordan told them no and they are moving down their list...
Lopez is the next player on their list and the next player that fits their team...
you realize there is no chance to get him on a bargain deal...teams that do not get Jordan are going to bid on him..
What was the offer to Jordan?
I assume Max so 19 million
To me, THAT will be one of the faster roads to being a competitor in the east and giving any potential FAs an inkling of a damn of an interest in being a NYK.
I would throw him out there all season to take his lumps.
But adding Robin Lopez doesn't affect that. Porzingis won't be a center until he gets his body right. You need to fill a roster out. Paying market rate for a center that can be used as an asset isn't the worst thing in the world.
They have two rookies on the roster, one of whom has franchise player potential (even if his odds of fulfilling it are slim) and one whom I think has a really good shot at being a solid starter. They've also got a star locked up at an excellent contract.
It's not a great position, but it's a hell of a lot better than some teams'.
KP, given his body right now, should not and ideally will not spend time at the 5. He'd be cruising from a bruising.
Ideally he plays some 3 and some stretch 4. He's got the mobility and length to stay with most 3's on the perimeter and he can pull a lot of 4's away from the hoop and make them uncomfortable. As he puts on weight you can slowly turn him into a 4 and part-time 5.
The point remains: even during KP's developmental years, we're going to need a 5 and there are a hell of a lot worse options than Robin Lopez.
Italian if the Warriors would do it, would you trade Calderon for Lee?
Grant
Afflalo
Melo
Lee
Lopez
The only thing that could preclude that from being a total disaster is if KP and Grant end up being as good as we hope they can be. If you've high level starters, especially a franchise player, you can survive bad contracts.
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At this point is not allowing Porz to play 30mpg and take the growing pains.
To me, THAT will be one of the faster roads to being a competitor in the east and giving any potential FAs an inkling of a damn of an interest in being a NYK.
I would throw him out there all season to take his lumps.
But adding Robin Lopez doesn't affect that. Porzingis won't be a center until he gets his body right. You need to fill a roster out. Paying market rate for a center that can be used as an asset isn't the worst thing in the world.
Agree, totally. I didn't mean to suggest that Lopez impeded that or was a step in the wrong direction. Sorry if that didn't come across right.
Dollars are crazy these days, and I can't say that I've ever watched a lot of Lopez or been a big fan, but I'll never complain with adding a brain, defense, and rebounding to a team that hasn't had any of those things.
Problem is if the Lakers strikeout with everyone, they're going to take that deal without sending anyone back. Our only incentive in that scenario would be not prying GS of young assets.
Basketball isn't quite like football in terms of team building, but if you don't draft well, you're still not likely to be a serious contender.
So say the Knicks kick ass in the rest of this FA, how good will they really be? Not good enough and they won't have a #1 pick next year.
What they need to do is determine how long Jackson really wants to do this. Because if he's only in this for 1-3 more years, then his replacement may blow things up again.
So what is your plan? Bottom out like the Sixers? That's worked like shit. Didnt work for the Wolves either. Wouldnt have worked for the Cavs except LeBron came back. Fact is you need a transcendent talent to compete in the NBA (you get an occasional 04 Pistons or 15 Warriors). I mean, LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem account for like 21 of the last 25 championships, and #22 was a Celts team with 3 hall of famers.
Those transcendent talents are nearly impossible to get. Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, LeBron were all #1s. Jordan was #3 in the Hakeem draft. Kobe was a prep to pro who went mid-round but also steered himself away from at least one team (Nets would have drafted him top 10).
I just dont think you can have much of a plan to get one of these guys. You need to win a lottery in the right year to get there. It's a fairly depressing sport to follow.
But not if they had to take on Calderon. They wouldn't give the same reward for a half-ass job that still results in luxury penalties.
My point is the Lakers would get the return because they would absorb his contract in its entirety. If we signed RoLo, we could only do it if we sent Calderon back. Therefore it doesn't solve the problem GS is facing with keeping Lee on the books.
I'm not even sure I'd take back Lee even if they threw Looney in.
Lets not pretend like Looney is some sort of deal breaker for the Warriors. He has decently limited value. And a guaranteed contract.
If they end up having to buy him out, I become interested again in the free agent.
I'm not touching that contract as is, though
Lets not pretend like Looney is some sort of deal breaker for the Warriors. He has decently limited value. And a guaranteed contract.
Ughhh. I've devoted 3 posts to this, I'm just going to assume I'm a bad communicator. Someone else wanna give a shot at explaining this?
If they end up having to buy him out, I become interested again in the free agent.
I'm not touching that contract as is, though
How is his contract bad? if you trade Calderon you save 7 million for next year...
it is a 1 year contract how does it hurt?
Mea culpa. Sign me up for "acceptable". I don't love it but not egregious at all.
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Lets not pretend like Looney is some sort of deal breaker for the Warriors. He has decently limited value. And a guaranteed contract.
Ughhh. I've devoted 3 posts to this, I'm just going to assume I'm a bad communicator. Someone else wanna give a shot at explaining this?
Your point seems to be that if we get Lee we need to send back JC, and therefore we wouldnt get Looney. And my point is prove it. You're just making wild assumptions, like the Warriors will send Lee to the Lakers at all, or that the Lakers would take back Lee just to get Lee and Looney (see the Sacto trade).
My point is that Looney is, all things considered, a fairly low grade asset so if the Warriors want to do a Lee/Calderon swap, they may add Looney. Hell, they may see some value in Calderon.
*but not the Knicks if they sign Lopez
Calderon has now value to them. They have 3 backup PGs on the roster as is. Not only will they have to take on Calderon's $7 + he tax penalty for it, add the extra $7M he's owes the year after discounted to present value at the rate of the cap increase.
Could, but I dont know that any DO unless they get significant payoffs. Neither do you, nor Howard Beck. Shit, remember when Monroe was a lock to the Knicks, and Aldridge agreed to be a Spur?
$15 million for a guy that could barely get off the bench in the playoffs.
Source close to talks says Robin Lopez has COMMITTED to join Knicks and will do so ... UNLESS DeAndre Jordan chooses Knicks
ESPN sources say Robin Lopez has chosen Knicks over Lakers and will join NYK as long as DeAndre Jordan, as expected, chooses Clips or Mavs
Deal details for Lopez/Knicks remain unclear, but he's prepared to go to NYC as long as there's still an opening there after DeAndre decides
Only way to make it work if Lope takes a deal starting at 7 and Knicks get rid of Calderon for nothing
The Knicks have the money he would want, it's in a fantastic city for him to explore his artistic and other off-the-court pursuits, it's a position the Knicks need, if the Knicks use the triangle, then it's a situation where he can use his intelligence, and perhaps above all, he gets to live in the same city as his twin brother. Seems like exactly where he would want to be.
has he been good anywhere? Seems like Lopez, Porz, and Grant have reps as hard workers. Not sure about Afflalo's rep in this regard. But as long as we arent getting stars, I at least like us laying down a foundation of culture change. Williams does not have a good rep for work.
BTW a Magic fan in my office raved about the Afflalo signing and laughed at the idea that he is some ball hog. Said we're gonna really like him.
No it is called building a team and being patient for once...this is not a 1 year rebuild...
How can we be worse than a 17 win team?
This team is headed in the right direction.
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Is our prize free agent I give up....this team might be worse than last year
No it is called building a team and being patient for once...this is not a 1 year rebuild...
How many years do you have Phil and melo for to rebuild??? These guys are scraps....
The Knicks don't really have a choice. They are sober for te first time in a while and are now going through rehab to straighten out.
They are the Redskins of the basketball.
How do they get better? Stop making stupid fucking decisions. Unfortunately, this is going to be mess for a while still. A good year for them would be .500.
Since they can't change their owner, they have to find out if Jackson wants to be here for a while. If not, I would get a GM who will be here for at least 10 years.
Woj just tweeted that DeAndre is truly 50/50 on Clips or Mavs.
They are the Redskins of the basketball.
How do they get better? Stop making stupid fucking decisions. Unfortunately, this is going to be mess for a while still. A good year for them would be .500.
Since they can't change their owner, they have to find out if Jackson wants to be here for a while. If not, I would get a GM who will be here for at least 10 years.
Source says #Knicks still clinging to faint hope for DeAndre Jordan before finalizing anything with Robin Lopez. Haven't been told no.
PG - Grant/Calderon
SG - afflalo
SF - Melo
PF - West
C - R Lopez
Is that anymore then a 6-8 seed?
They are the Redskins of the basketball.
How do they get better? Stop making stupid fucking decisions. Unfortunately, this is going to be mess for a while still. A good year for them would be .500.
Since they can't change their owner, they have to find out if Jackson wants to be here for a while. If not, I would get a GM who will be here for at least 10 years.
I mostly agree with this, except I think we'll be 500 this year, more or less. The East is insanely weak. And I have a really high opinion of Carmelo. We're starting to get fewer mismatched pieces.
Knicks problem really hasnt been FA. It has been trades. They constantly trade #1 picks for unwanted losers. They routinely give up on guys at the low point in their value, often sacrificing assets to move contracts to get unnecessary cap space.
I just dont think that the idea of free agency = bad like it mostly does in the NFL. Warriors got the Finals MVP as a big ticket addition to their drafted guys. Obviously you have the heat. Millsap, Carroll, Korver -- three important FAs on the Hawks this year. Dwight Howard a FA was a big part of the Rockets. I think any plan that forgoes SMART FA signings is pretty bad resource allocation. I dont know how anyone could argue with the Afflalo signing. We'll probably trade him in a few months for a #1 pick.
It doesn't make any sense for them to go in there and not offer the max. They met with him at 1201, they obviously were very interested
Yeah, adding Melo, Afflalo, Lopez, Porzingis, Grant and losing no one worth anything and they might be worse than last year.
Do people even read the shit they type before they hit submit?
Melo is very, very good. We dont have a team that will be a top 5 seed, but we should compete for 500 if we add a few warm bodies with that last 7 million.
At least they have Russell, Randle, and their pick. Maybe max Harris and sign some cheap upsidey centers?
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do the Lakers turn if they dont get Aldridge?
At least they have Russell, Randle, and their pick. Maybe max Harris and sign some cheap upsidey centers?
They only have their pick if they finish in top 3, otherwise Sixers get it
Sorry I'm not creaming my pants with lower level talent, can't tell me any of these names scream excitement to anyone after the awful season we witnessed
Next we're going to be seeing BB 56 post on hockey threads
Look at what their starting 5 will be next year prior to even knowing who we get with the 8 million to spend and then look at the starters last year down the stretch and with a straight face say they might be worse than last year.
Not one fucking guy who started down the stretch last year will start next year, not one. Most won't even sniff the floor.
Does Robin have potential to be better than his brother?
Look at what their starting 5 will be next year prior to even knowing who we get with the 8 million to spend and then look at the starters last year down the stretch and with a straight face say they might be worse than last year.
Not one fucking guy who started down the stretch last year will start next year, not one. Most won't even sniff the floor.
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you said they might be worse than last year, which is about the dumbest shit ever said on here.
Look at what their starting 5 will be next year prior to even knowing who we get with the 8 million to spend and then look at the starters last year down the stretch and with a straight face say they might be worse than last year.
Not one fucking guy who started down the stretch last year will start next year, not one. Most won't even sniff the floor.
ok I was speaking facetiously. agree that was a dumb statement, but after last season this isn't acceptable
What exactly did you expect? Nobody expected the big names (LaMarcus Aldridge, Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, etc.) to come here anyway, so all of this "sky is falling" bullshit is over Greg Monroe? Greg Monroe is a nice player but as many had been saying on here for months, he wasn't going to be the guy to put this team over the top anyway.
Yeah it sucks that the team isn't going to contend this year, but at least they are showing that they have learned their lesson and aren't making the same mistake they made with Amare. They could have overreacted and thrown a max contract at Wes Matthews or Tobias Harris, but instead they are showing restraint and making smart moves. Clearly a 17 win team with a roster with just Carmelo Anthony and a couple of rookies wasn't enough to lure any free agents this year, but if they get to say 30-35 wins next year, Grant and Porzingis show potential, and we have Melo, Lopez, and Afflalo already on the roster then thats a situation that is more likely to be attractive to a Mike Conley, Al Horford, DeRozan, etc.
We all knew going in that this was going to be a 2 year rebuild, why panic and freak the fuck out when it isn't even half way through the process?
Terms for Robin Lopez are unknown at this point. If he signs for $13 million per year, #Knicks will have roughly $6 million left to spend.
Inside source, Phil? What would we be giving up? What CAN we give up?
Lebron/Wade and Bosh all going to one team to win titles is a rarity. Getting a freaking ping pong ball to fall your way in a lottery that even has a franchise player is an ultra rare occurrence.
So stop your whining and acknowledge that so far this offseason they are doing the right things that are in their power to do.
KP was the right pick. The Grant trade was a smart move. The Afflalo deal was a decent value. Lopez is an upgrade if the contract is fair it's a solid fall back position.
One step at a time. It could take longer than we may like but there is no need to be act like a child about it.
Wes Matthews has agreed in principle with the Mavericks on a four-year deal, per source. Turned down huge offer from Sacramento.
Reporters are ripping Jackson, but Monroe would not have been a huge leg up over Lopez, and it isn't clear what else he could have done once it became clear that teams were finding ways to commit next year's cap boost on long-term contracts this year. Especially given that the Knicks have so few picks going forward--lack of young, cheap talent, and lack of trading blocks.
Lopez is for one year only, so the Knicks get another crack next year.
I have practically given up on the NBA as the Knicks flounder under their idiot owner, but cannot find much to complain about this off-season. Only problem with Jackson is his horrible trades last year giving up something for cap relief and little else.
The Knicks haven't done anything wrong since Phil has taken over. All they have done is draft bpa and sign stop gaps that won't the long term cap.
This talk about Dolan and some dark cloud is overstated. The team is doing exactly what fans said Dolan wouldn't tolerate and what the smart fans have been clamoring for-- they are rebuilding. And this is the 2nd time in 6 years they are doing what fans said Dolan wouldn't tolerate so maybe we should put that belief to bed.
Yes they didnt get the big fish but so far it has been a good off season and with Affalo's opt out it left them with max space next year...
Lopez isnt a dominant big man but he is a great fit next to Melo and Porzingis(eventually)..
Knicks finally have 2 young players that the fans can watch and develop...
Now lets see what they do with Calderon, and the rest of the cap space..
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That's Brook, his brother. Robin's TRBs decreased the 2nd half of last season.
Yes they didnt get the big fish but so far it has been a good off season and with Affalo's opt out it left them with max space next year...
Lopez isnt a dominant big man but he is a great fit next to Melo and Porzingis(eventually)..
Knicks finally have 2 young players that the fans can watch and develop...
Now lets see what they do with Calderon, and the rest of the cap space..
Bingo - the Knicks are in the state they're in bc they've overpaid for mediocrity for years...and now some fans are up in arms bc they're not overpaying for so-so players. This was never a quick fix - at least they have a plan.
The only criticism worth debating is whether they should have paid Melo, when it was going to take time to rebuild a team anyway. But let's be honest - they still needed to try and sell tickets
Yeah jury is out on this one...but the Knicks are desperate for a big man who actually applies himself on defense, so I'm open minded
have you seen the new NBA climate.. what mediocre guys are getting? This is the new NBA..
Yes
2014-15 cap: $63 million
2015-16 cap: $69 million
2016-17 cap: $90 million (estimate)
2017-18 cap: $105 million (estimate)
2015-16 was a wash anyway. Short of LeBron, Aldridge, or Gasol coming, we werent going to compete for a title (and BTW, unless LeBron gets hurt, the Cavs will win the East).
so look at 2016-17. $90 million cap. That's ~50% higher than this past year. So $10 million in 2016 dollars feels like <$7 million in 2015 dollars. $10 million in 2017 dollars feels like $6 million today.
Robin Lopez made $6.2 million last year and was a bargain. He's a guy who plays very good D and helps in so many ways. If you prorate his stats to 36 minutes, he's a 14-9-2 guy who shoots well over 50% and hits 76% of his free throws. The advanced stats bear this out, where he's a 17 PER 140 WS guy. His game is suited to winning, rather than compiling stats.
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I would like to see a veteran PF brought on so Poringis doesnt have to start right away..a guy like Bass might be a good pick up..adds some toughness and defense and can hit the mid range...
Need a vet back up center, i dont mind aldrich for the minimum behind Lopez....
Need a vet SF behind Melo, Early still has a lot to prove and would love for him to be the back up but i do not see it yet..
Right now Galloway is probably the back up SG, i think Knicks need to bring in someone, they have Ledo on a non guaranteed deal and he will probably play summer league...
Everyone knows the Knicks are not a championship contender, Knicks still need to find another player to take the scoring load off of Melo, the hope is Porzingis eventually...
With 4.5% raises probably starts at 12 million
Did you happen to watch him last year? He's also an absolutely awful fit in the triangle. No fucking thanks at any price.
Simple reason. Phil is changing the culture. Rondo is a selfish piece of shit from my understanding.
His season was injury riddled too.
Hopefully he's healthy this year and he plays well.
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Reportedly he's looking for a 1 year deal in order to prove himself again and raise his stock in order to cash in next summer. So you'd have a motivated Rondo for a season and, when his head is on right, a pretty damn good PG.
Simple reason. Phil is changing the culture. Rondo is a selfish piece of shit from my understanding.
Yeah I didn't really see much of Rondo's game last season, only his time in Boston. Figured maybe you'd get the "good" Rondo for a season considering he's looking for one more big payday next year. It would be a risk though, and understandably so.
You have zero fucking clue what you're talking about.
With what other centers have been getting, I will be very surprised if Lopez only get 10-11m. Its going to be more like 12-13 which is what Asik got.
Good point. I actually remember on draft night hearing Jason Williams talking about how PGs hate playing in the triangle because it takes the ball out of their hands.