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DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 8:23 am
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Arron Afflalo will sign a two year deal with the Knicks. His option on the second year. $16 million total.

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What Are The Knicks Doing?
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What Are The Knicks Doing?

I’m just going to list some things the Knicks are doing.

The Knicks wanted to sign LaMarcus Aldridge.
But LaMarcus made them wait until last to meet with him.

They will see him tomorrow, maybe.
The Knicks think they can sign Greg Monroe, and met with him last night.
Monroe is a fine offensive player but will have to play alongside a 19-year-old who is very thin—and also Carmelo Anthony—and he is one of the worst defensive big men in the league.
The Knicks like his butt.
The Knicks would like to get Wes Matthews to play in the triangle, and presumably defend the perimeter. Wes Matthews is thinking it over while he recovers from a torn Achilles tendon, a bad injury for a guard.
The Knicks are meeting with Arron Afflalo tomorrow. Afflalo was a Portland Trail Blazer last year. He shot well from three and on spot-ups in general, but was well below average at every other facet of the game, per Synergy Sports.
The Knicks are expected to offer Afflalo “in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million.”
The Knicks wanted to sign Danny Green, but they forgot to call him:
Sounds like Danny Green is hoping to meet with the Knicks soon as well, but may not be back from Brazil yet. The Knicks weren’t one of the teams to call him early on. I suspect Green is waiting for the Spurs to figure their other shit out before he has serious discussions with other teams, so said other teams may be waiting as well.
Danny signed with the Spurs this morning, for less than Thad Young makes now.
The Knicks did remember to call Patrick Beverley, who is bad.
They also called Corey Brewer, who is a 3-and-D guy who shot 26 percent from three last season, and currently is a backup plan for the Sacramento Kings.
They called Willie Green twice this morning before Danny Green signed with the Spurs.
The Knicks have reached out to Jeremy Lin, whom the Kings are also interested in signing.
The Kings, you will remember, were one of the teams jostling to draft Frank Kaminsky. They have been battling with the Knicks this whole offseason to get players who are in some demand. This is like when teams know that the Spurs or Rockets are interested in a player, and then try to get the same player because they know he will be good, except for a few minor differences.
The Knicks have reached out to Kendrick Perkins, who is a mop languishing in a bucket of dirty, fetid water.
The Knicks have reached out to Landry Fields, who is spending this offseason learning to shoot with his left hand.
(Landry Fields, who already shot like his parents made him do math problems in his head before he was allowed to release the shoot button, is learning to shoot with his non-dominant hand, because he forgot how to shoot and play in general.)
The Knicks are very interested in DeAndre Jordan, and their plan to sign him is to promise to make him the second option on offense, behind Carmelo Anthony.
DeAndre Jordan, you will remember, cannot shoot or pass or dribble, which are things that you do on offense.
DeAndre Jordan had a four-and-a-half-hour meeting with the Mavericks today, and has been out to dinner with Chandler Parsons for five nights in a row. (Five date rule, I guess.) Anyway, DeAndre’s meeting with the Knicks has not happened yet.
The Knicks thought they might sign DeMarre Carroll. They used to have another player named the Junkyard Dog.
The current JYD signed with the Raptors.
Phil Jackson thought that he might be able to sign Paul Millsap, because he is good at defense, rebounding, and passing, which are things the Knicks need.
Paul Millsap re-signed with the Hawks.
The Knicks are showing late interest in Derrick Williams, who is a poor shooter who also cannot rebound or pass.
The Knicks were interested in David West, who will be 35 when the season starts. Word was they wanted to sign him to a three-year contract. They were “very likely” to sign him just a few days ago.
David West said he doesn’t want to play for the Knicks, because they are bad and he is old, which honestly sounds like a good reason the Knicks should also consider.
The Knicks want to sign Robin Lopez too, and are planning on meeting with him.
Robin Lopez has reportedly met with the Bucks.*
Last season, Knicks traded Tyson Chandler away, in part because Phil Jackson was not sure he was a good fit for the triangle offense, and in part to dump Raymond Felton’s contract. He took back Samuel Dalembert, whom the Knicks waived for saying true things, and Jose Calderon.
Raymond Felton makes $4.5 million this season, the last year of his deal.
Jose Calderon makes $7.4 million this season, and $7.7 million next season.
Tyson Chandler signed with the Suns for four years and $52 million, because he is good.
The Knicks are interested in K.J. McDaniels, who could not hack it as a Philadelphia 76er.
Wayne Ellington and Caron Butler, too.
The Knicks are a team that does not have a draft pick next year, and are building around a 31-year-old with knee issues. They are on the clock, yet drafted a young stretch big—the riskiest phenotype in NBA prospects—and now need to plug a 90-pound 7-footer into an NBA defense that features Melo and probably Monroe, and has not ruled out bringing back Jason Smith and mother fucking Bargs.
The Knicks are just ignoring reality and the rules of the physical universe around them.
The Knicks are bullshit.



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The Knicks also have a meeting set up in L.A. with shooting guard Arron Afflalo, who is friends with Carmelo Anthony, and defensive center Robin Lopez.
The Knicks, however, still didn’t have Monroe in the bag and hopefully for Jackson’s sake, he’s not thinking along the lines of free agent David West, whom The Post reported wasn’t interested in the woebegone Knicks. The Indy Star quoted West on Wednesday, calling the rumors “ridiculous’’ because the Knicks don’t “qualify’’ as “a contender.’’
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DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 8:24 am : link
Kirk Goldsberry ‏@kirkgoldsberry 18m18 minutes ago
Arron Afflalo made 53% of his open 3s last year; that's awesome, but can the Knicks create open looks on the edges?
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BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 8:31 am : link
In comment 12352806 DanMetroMan said:
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Kirk Goldsberry ‏@kirkgoldsberry 18m18 minutes ago
Arron Afflalo made 53% of his open 3s last year; that's awesome, but can the Knicks create open looks on the edges?


The Triangle can do anything
I like it  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/2/2015 8:31 am : link
2 years 6mil per

not bad. he can hit 3s
RE: I like it  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/2/2015 8:32 am : link
In comment 12352822 Joey from GlenCove said:
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2 years 6mil per

not bad. he can hit 3s


8 mil per*
But a FA option  
Canton : 7/2/2015 8:32 am : link
after next season.
With Melo...  
Italianju : 7/2/2015 8:33 am : link
on the team guys will always get open 3's. Hopefully he wont brick them like Felton/shumpert always did.
Probably shouldn't assume Calderon is going to be healthy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/2/2015 8:36 am : link
but if he is, that's a pretty good shooting backcourt behind the arc.

If you can get Monroe to stick on the low post, you can kind of get an idea of what the Knicks are trying to do on offense.
Even with the 1+1 deal..  
Italianju : 7/2/2015 8:36 am : link
i cant believe in this market we got him for 8. Half of Carroll? Less then shump?
Hope he duplicates his career season at Orlando in 2013  
Canton : 7/2/2015 8:40 am : link
18.2 ppg with 42.7% behind the arc.
I know AA...  
Italianju : 7/2/2015 8:41 am : link
wasnt any of our first choices, but he is a starter in this league and we were def light on those, ha. Assuming the 27ish number is right if we sign monroe we ill probably have about 4 mill or so left over. If we stretch calderon we could turn that into 7-8. Not sure who we can get for that and if its worth cutting calderon to get him. Like i dont think we can get Monroe and say Lopez, but we could probably get Monroe and Biyombo/O'Quinn
Get  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 8:49 am : link
Monroe, Withey and O'Quinn. Do it
I actually thought that Afflalo provided an excellent fit.  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 8:51 am : link
Maybe not the most talented guy out there but a solid player who can provide some veteran savvy. Good teammate, friends with Melo.

I never thought Danny Green was leaving the Spurs but he would have been my first choice. Afflalo probably would have been second.
Rough math  
Coach Mason : 7/2/2015 8:52 am : link
We were supposedly 28.5 under the cap at the outset. According to various reports, Cap looks to be 2 mill higher than projected . We can save 4 million by 'stretching' Calderon. Subtract Affalo's contract and we are at 26.5 million. That leaves us room for any max guy (Aldridge,Jordan or Monroe) and depending on size of contract, room for another mid size contract as well.

The only guy IMO who can really turn around our fortunes is LMA. He is better both offensively and defensively over Monroe. He may not be the rim protector that Jordan is but he is an under-rated defender. There would be enough spacing in the triangle to get both Anthony and LMA open mid range looks and you have Affalo to stretch out the floor from 3.

Could we get Lopez for under 10mil?

In the East a team of let's say:

LMA/Lopez
KP/LMA
Melo
Afflalo
Grant

might be able to make some noise.



That's good value  
Audible : 7/2/2015 8:54 am : link
I wouldn't be too happy with Afflalo on eight figures per year, but 8 a year is a lot more palatable.
if they would have given him 3/30  
Enzo : 7/2/2015 8:57 am : link
or something similar I wouldn't have liked it but it seemingly would have made sense relative to what we saw yesterday. This guy is nothing great but this seems like a fair deal.
Not getting LMA  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 8:57 am : link
so....
Just curious why  
Pep22 : 7/2/2015 8:58 am : link
LMA hasn't signed w SA yet.
LMA is best friends with Affalo  
Canton : 7/2/2015 9:01 am : link
That could b be a good sell with the Knicks pitch, when they meet today.
Glad we got AA at the current deal.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 7/2/2015 9:04 am : link
Dan, way too long of an OP and pointless.
LMA best friends?  
Carl in CT : 7/2/2015 9:05 am : link
I hope that statement is true.
yea that deadspin article just basically says  
jgambrosio : 7/2/2015 9:06 am : link
"i hate the knicks"

i saw it last night and laughed.
LMA is not coming  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 9:07 am : link
to NY, even if him and Aaron Afflalo are thunder buddies and can get married in Texas because of marriage equality. Just drop it already.
RE: LMA best friends?  
Canton : 7/2/2015 9:08 am : link
In comment 12352859 Carl in CT said:
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I hope that statement is true.


Yes..

LaMarcus Aldridge and Arron Afflalo were McDonald's All-American roommates and Blazers teammates.
It's so so  
Carl in CT : 7/2/2015 9:09 am : link
but it's better than Shump 10 per for 4.
RE: LMA is not coming  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 9:11 am : link
In comment 12352865 giantsfan44ab said:
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to NY, even if him and Aaron Afflalo are thunder buddies and can get married in Texas because of marriage equality. Just drop it already.


+1
I really hope the Knicks can get  
Jan in DC : 7/2/2015 9:12 am : link
Monroe to sign here. It's funny, most people were talking about it like it was a done deal before free agency started but here we are.

Longer this drags out, the more concerned I am that we're not going to be able to sign 3 other guys who are qualified to play in the NBA. We only have two under contract now.
I'm not sure what your expectation is, but they're not getting 3  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/2/2015 9:14 am : link
starters out of this if they get Monroe. They don't have that much cap space.
Yup  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 9:15 am : link
Wright, Ajinca, and Amir Johnson are off the market, so better hope we can get this done.

In the scenario Mornoe does not come, we should go after Koufos and O'quinn. At least build a solid defense if our offense is going to blow.
Prior to the start of free agency  
Jay in Saratoga : 7/2/2015 9:15 am : link
My wishlist was Jordan and Affalo. Jordan is probably a long shot at this point but I wont be disappointed if it is Monroe instead. I just think Jordan would be the better paring with Porzingis in the long run.
RE: I'm not sure what your expectation is, but they're not getting 3  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12352876 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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starters out of this if they get Monroe. They don't have that much cap space.


Going off the assumption that O'quinn is valued at $4 million a year. If we stretch calderon, we can make that $5-6 million.
Nice work on Afflalo.  
bceagle05 : 7/2/2015 9:28 am : link
Excellent deal.
Jae Crowder re-ups with Celts...  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/2/2015 9:38 am : link
5 years, $35 million...

Ellis still in play for Knicks...
You can't say Knicks have no chance at Aldridge  
nygiants16 : 7/2/2015 9:38 am : link
He would not even be thinking about taking a meeting with them if they had no chance, Slim chance? absolutely but you can not say no chance...

Also all you hear is how much of a lock he is for the Spurs, if that was the case why not sign there? if he is sold on the spurs there is no reason to take meetings with other teams...it is not like he is being wined and dined..he is doing his meetings in an office building...

Love teh affalo signing...great value and still leaves the Knicks with 20 million to spend...
The biggest thing we have going for us with Jordan  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 9:40 am : link
is that he wants to be the man and has the kind of ego that wants him to be a bigger part of what's going on with the team. He doesn't want to be the third wheel. And we need centerpieces.

Still think he ends up at one of the LA teams.
0 chance  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2015 9:43 am : link
we get Ellis after signing Afflalo
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nygiants16 : 7/2/2015 9:47 am : link
Ohm Youngmisuk ‏@NotoriousOHM 5m5 minutes ago
Now hearing Greg Monroe could decide who he will sign with later this afternoon.
Question About Afflalo  
Jeffrey : 7/2/2015 9:48 am : link
Been focused on soccer and have not read much, but I recall that Afflalo has a reputation of being a gunner who does not give up the ball easily. I have no idea if this is fact or fiction, but if true how do you pair a gunner with Melo, another player known for wanting and keeping the ball?
seriously, "meetings" mean nothing...  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/2/2015 9:48 am : link
every baseball FA wanted to meet with the Yankees when George was running the show, if nothing more than to drive up the price from the teams they wanted to play for...
Ellis doesn't mesh with Phil's apparent desire for high-IQ types  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/2/2015 9:49 am : link
of players. He's gonna get ridiculous money anyway.
RE: seriously,  
nygiants16 : 7/2/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12352927 Mike in St. Louis said:
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every baseball FA wanted to meet with the Yankees when George was running the show, if nothing more than to drive up the price from the teams they wanted to play for...


How can the Knicks drive up the price when they have a set price already...that makes zero sense...

Aldridge is getting the max so if he meets with the Knicks or not his price is set..
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Lopes1984 : 7/2/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12352922 nygiants16 said:
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Ohm Youngmisuk ‏@NotoriousOHM 5m5 minutes ago
Now hearing Greg Monroe could decide who he will sign with later this afternoon.


Maybe he wants to go to the Knicks but they want to wait and see how their meetings with Aldridge and Jordan go today before committing. Gotta be optimistic right?
ellis should sign with indy  
hitdog42 : 7/2/2015 9:53 am : link
perfect fit there.
would not mesh imo with melo or the triangle
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nygiants16 : 7/2/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12352936 Lopes1984 said:
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In comment 12352922 nygiants16 said:


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Ohm Youngmisuk ‏@NotoriousOHM 5m5 minutes ago
Now hearing Greg Monroe could decide who he will sign with later this afternoon.



Maybe he wants to go to the Knicks but they want to wait and see how their meetings with Aldridge and Jordan go today before committing. Gotta be optimistic right?


The fact the Knicks have not moved on to Monroe or Lopez and committed to one of those 2, tells me they are being told to hold off by Aldridge or Jordan...

Phil and Mills both said they would not sit around and wait for a player who didnt really want to be with the Knicks, so maybe they are being told to wait...

who knows though free agency is such a crap shoot...
If the knicks strike out on Jordan and Monroe  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 9:59 am : link
do we kick the tires on one year of Roy Hibbert?
Aldridge  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2015 9:59 am : link
is obviously a very talented player, but he really is not a good fit for what we need right now
RE: I'm not sure what your expectation is, but they're not getting 3  
Jan in DC : 7/2/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12352876 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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starters out of this if they get Monroe. They don't have that much cap space.


I don't think that's true. Not because of the cap space stuff, but because of the lack of talent all up and down the Knicks roster. I think they could probably sign a couple of 2-3 million deals or vet minimums with some players and they could start for us.
How  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 10:00 am : link
Did Aldridge pass?
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RE: Aldridge  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 10:03 am : link
In comment 12352955 Jon in NYC said:
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is obviously a very talented player, but he really is not a good fit for what we need right now


This boggles the mind. How is it that we don't need the best player who's gonna change teams?
If, in fact, you can lock in Monroe at this instant  
bigbluehoya : 7/2/2015 10:06 am : link
I think they're stupid not to.

If they soft-pedal and start dicking around with Monroe to see out the long odds on LMA / Jordan, I think there's a good chance they lose out entirely, which is a really bad outcome.


RE: RE: Aldridge  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12352966 BeerFridge said:
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In comment 12352955 Jon in NYC said:


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is obviously a very talented player, but he really is not a good fit for what we need right now



This boggles the mind. How is it that we don't need the best player who's gonna change teams?


We need a defensive stopper at center. I obviously wouldn't turn him down, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that he fits in better with other teams.
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