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What Are The Knicks Doing? 142,27125 Kyle Wagner Filed to: LOLKNICKS 7/01/15 7:35pm What Are The Knicks Doing? I’m just going to list some things the Knicks are doing. The Knicks wanted to sign LaMarcus Aldridge. But LaMarcus made them wait until last to meet with him. They will see him tomorrow, maybe. The Knicks think they can sign Greg Monroe, and met with him last night. Monroe is a fine offensive player but will have to play alongside a 19-year-old who is very thin—and also Carmelo Anthony—and he is one of the worst defensive big men in the league. The Knicks like his butt. The Knicks would like to get Wes Matthews to play in the triangle, and presumably defend the perimeter. Wes Matthews is thinking it over while he recovers from a torn Achilles tendon, a bad injury for a guard. The Knicks are meeting with Arron Afflalo tomorrow. Afflalo was a Portland Trail Blazer last year. He shot well from three and on spot-ups in general, but was well below average at every other facet of the game, per Synergy Sports. The Knicks are expected to offer Afflalo “in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million.” The Knicks wanted to sign Danny Green, but they forgot to call him: Sounds like Danny Green is hoping to meet with the Knicks soon as well, but may not be back from Brazil yet. The Knicks weren’t one of the teams to call him early on. I suspect Green is waiting for the Spurs to figure their other shit out before he has serious discussions with other teams, so said other teams may be waiting as well. Danny signed with the Spurs this morning, for less than Thad Young makes now. The Knicks did remember to call Patrick Beverley, who is bad. They also called Corey Brewer, who is a 3-and-D guy who shot 26 percent from three last season, and currently is a backup plan for the Sacramento Kings. They called Willie Green twice this morning before Danny Green signed with the Spurs. The Knicks have reached out to Jeremy Lin, whom the Kings are also interested in signing. The Kings, you will remember, were one of the teams jostling to draft Frank Kaminsky. They have been battling with the Knicks this whole offseason to get players who are in some demand. This is like when teams know that the Spurs or Rockets are interested in a player, and then try to get the same player because they know he will be good, except for a few minor differences. The Knicks have reached out to Kendrick Perkins, who is a mop languishing in a bucket of dirty, fetid water. The Knicks have reached out to Landry Fields, who is spending this offseason learning to shoot with his left hand. (Landry Fields, who already shot like his parents made him do math problems in his head before he was allowed to release the shoot button, is learning to shoot with his non-dominant hand, because he forgot how to shoot and play in general.) The Knicks are very interested in DeAndre Jordan, and their plan to sign him is to promise to make him the second option on offense, behind Carmelo Anthony. DeAndre Jordan, you will remember, cannot shoot or pass or dribble, which are things that you do on offense. DeAndre Jordan had a four-and-a-half-hour meeting with the Mavericks today, and has been out to dinner with Chandler Parsons for five nights in a row. (Five date rule, I guess.) Anyway, DeAndre’s meeting with the Knicks has not happened yet. The Knicks thought they might sign DeMarre Carroll. They used to have another player named the Junkyard Dog. The current JYD signed with the Raptors. Phil Jackson thought that he might be able to sign Paul Millsap, because he is good at defense, rebounding, and passing, which are things the Knicks need. Paul Millsap re-signed with the Hawks. The Knicks are showing late interest in Derrick Williams, who is a poor shooter who also cannot rebound or pass. The Knicks were interested in David West, who will be 35 when the season starts. Word was they wanted to sign him to a three-year contract. They were “very likely” to sign him just a few days ago. David West said he doesn’t want to play for the Knicks, because they are bad and he is old, which honestly sounds like a good reason the Knicks should also consider. The Knicks want to sign Robin Lopez too, and are planning on meeting with him. Robin Lopez has reportedly met with the Bucks.* Last season, Knicks traded Tyson Chandler away, in part because Phil Jackson was not sure he was a good fit for the triangle offense, and in part to dump Raymond Felton’s contract. He took back Samuel Dalembert, whom the Knicks waived for saying true things, and Jose Calderon. Raymond Felton makes $4.5 million this season, the last year of his deal. Jose Calderon makes $7.4 million this season, and $7.7 million next season. Tyson Chandler signed with the Suns for four years and $52 million, because he is good. The Knicks are interested in K.J. McDaniels, who could not hack it as a Philadelphia 76er. Wayne Ellington and Caron Butler, too. The Knicks are a team that does not have a draft pick next year, and are building around a 31-year-old with knee issues. They are on the clock, yet drafted a young stretch big—the riskiest phenotype in NBA prospects—and now need to plug a 90-pound 7-footer into an NBA defense that features Melo and probably Monroe, and has not ruled out bringing back Jason Smith and mother fucking Bargs. The Knicks are just ignoring reality and the rules of the physical universe around them. The Knicks are bullshit. |
To me, THAT will be one of the faster roads to being a competitor in the east and giving any potential FAs an inkling of a damn of an interest in being a NYK.
I would throw him out there all season to take his lumps.
But adding Robin Lopez doesn't affect that. Porzingis won't be a center until he gets his body right. You need to fill a roster out. Paying market rate for a center that can be used as an asset isn't the worst thing in the world.
They have two rookies on the roster, one of whom has franchise player potential (even if his odds of fulfilling it are slim) and one whom I think has a really good shot at being a solid starter. They've also got a star locked up at an excellent contract.
It's not a great position, but it's a hell of a lot better than some teams'.
KP, given his body right now, should not and ideally will not spend time at the 5. He'd be cruising from a bruising.
Ideally he plays some 3 and some stretch 4. He's got the mobility and length to stay with most 3's on the perimeter and he can pull a lot of 4's away from the hoop and make them uncomfortable. As he puts on weight you can slowly turn him into a 4 and part-time 5.
The point remains: even during KP's developmental years, we're going to need a 5 and there are a hell of a lot worse options than Robin Lopez.
Italian if the Warriors would do it, would you trade Calderon for Lee?
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The only thing that could preclude that from being a total disaster is if KP and Grant end up being as good as we hope they can be. If you've high level starters, especially a franchise player, you can survive bad contracts.
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At this point is not allowing Porz to play 30mpg and take the growing pains.
To me, THAT will be one of the faster roads to being a competitor in the east and giving any potential FAs an inkling of a damn of an interest in being a NYK.
I would throw him out there all season to take his lumps.
But adding Robin Lopez doesn't affect that. Porzingis won't be a center until he gets his body right. You need to fill a roster out. Paying market rate for a center that can be used as an asset isn't the worst thing in the world.
Agree, totally. I didn't mean to suggest that Lopez impeded that or was a step in the wrong direction. Sorry if that didn't come across right.
Dollars are crazy these days, and I can't say that I've ever watched a lot of Lopez or been a big fan, but I'll never complain with adding a brain, defense, and rebounding to a team that hasn't had any of those things.
Problem is if the Lakers strikeout with everyone, they're going to take that deal without sending anyone back. Our only incentive in that scenario would be not prying GS of young assets.
Basketball isn't quite like football in terms of team building, but if you don't draft well, you're still not likely to be a serious contender.
So say the Knicks kick ass in the rest of this FA, how good will they really be? Not good enough and they won't have a #1 pick next year.
What they need to do is determine how long Jackson really wants to do this. Because if he's only in this for 1-3 more years, then his replacement may blow things up again.
So what is your plan? Bottom out like the Sixers? That's worked like shit. Didnt work for the Wolves either. Wouldnt have worked for the Cavs except LeBron came back. Fact is you need a transcendent talent to compete in the NBA (you get an occasional 04 Pistons or 15 Warriors). I mean, LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem account for like 21 of the last 25 championships, and #22 was a Celts team with 3 hall of famers.
Those transcendent talents are nearly impossible to get. Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, LeBron were all #1s. Jordan was #3 in the Hakeem draft. Kobe was a prep to pro who went mid-round but also steered himself away from at least one team (Nets would have drafted him top 10).
I just dont think you can have much of a plan to get one of these guys. You need to win a lottery in the right year to get there. It's a fairly depressing sport to follow.
But not if they had to take on Calderon. They wouldn't give the same reward for a half-ass job that still results in luxury penalties.
My point is the Lakers would get the return because they would absorb his contract in its entirety. If we signed RoLo, we could only do it if we sent Calderon back. Therefore it doesn't solve the problem GS is facing with keeping Lee on the books.
I'm not even sure I'd take back Lee even if they threw Looney in.
Lets not pretend like Looney is some sort of deal breaker for the Warriors. He has decently limited value. And a guaranteed contract.
If they end up having to buy him out, I become interested again in the free agent.
I'm not touching that contract as is, though
Lets not pretend like Looney is some sort of deal breaker for the Warriors. He has decently limited value. And a guaranteed contract.
Ughhh. I've devoted 3 posts to this, I'm just going to assume I'm a bad communicator. Someone else wanna give a shot at explaining this?
If they end up having to buy him out, I become interested again in the free agent.
I'm not touching that contract as is, though
How is his contract bad? if you trade Calderon you save 7 million for next year...
it is a 1 year contract how does it hurt?
Mea culpa. Sign me up for "acceptable". I don't love it but not egregious at all.
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We got the #35 pick for 2 #2 picks. We got the #19 pick for THJR.
Lets not pretend like Looney is some sort of deal breaker for the Warriors. He has decently limited value. And a guaranteed contract.
Ughhh. I've devoted 3 posts to this, I'm just going to assume I'm a bad communicator. Someone else wanna give a shot at explaining this?
Your point seems to be that if we get Lee we need to send back JC, and therefore we wouldnt get Looney. And my point is prove it. You're just making wild assumptions, like the Warriors will send Lee to the Lakers at all, or that the Lakers would take back Lee just to get Lee and Looney (see the Sacto trade).
My point is that Looney is, all things considered, a fairly low grade asset so if the Warriors want to do a Lee/Calderon swap, they may add Looney. Hell, they may see some value in Calderon.
*but not the Knicks if they sign Lopez
Calderon has now value to them. They have 3 backup PGs on the roster as is. Not only will they have to take on Calderon's $7 + he tax penalty for it, add the extra $7M he's owes the year after discounted to present value at the rate of the cap increase.
Could, but I dont know that any DO unless they get significant payoffs. Neither do you, nor Howard Beck. Shit, remember when Monroe was a lock to the Knicks, and Aldridge agreed to be a Spur?
$15 million for a guy that could barely get off the bench in the playoffs.
Source close to talks says Robin Lopez has COMMITTED to join Knicks and will do so ... UNLESS DeAndre Jordan chooses Knicks
ESPN sources say Robin Lopez has chosen Knicks over Lakers and will join NYK as long as DeAndre Jordan, as expected, chooses Clips or Mavs
Deal details for Lopez/Knicks remain unclear, but he's prepared to go to NYC as long as there's still an opening there after DeAndre decides
Only way to make it work if Lope takes a deal starting at 7 and Knicks get rid of Calderon for nothing