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What Are The Knicks Doing? 142,27125 Kyle Wagner Filed to: LOLKNICKS 7/01/15 7:35pm What Are The Knicks Doing? I’m just going to list some things the Knicks are doing. The Knicks wanted to sign LaMarcus Aldridge. But LaMarcus made them wait until last to meet with him. They will see him tomorrow, maybe. The Knicks think they can sign Greg Monroe, and met with him last night. Monroe is a fine offensive player but will have to play alongside a 19-year-old who is very thin—and also Carmelo Anthony—and he is one of the worst defensive big men in the league. The Knicks like his butt. The Knicks would like to get Wes Matthews to play in the triangle, and presumably defend the perimeter. Wes Matthews is thinking it over while he recovers from a torn Achilles tendon, a bad injury for a guard. The Knicks are meeting with Arron Afflalo tomorrow. Afflalo was a Portland Trail Blazer last year. He shot well from three and on spot-ups in general, but was well below average at every other facet of the game, per Synergy Sports. The Knicks are expected to offer Afflalo “in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million.” The Knicks wanted to sign Danny Green, but they forgot to call him: Sounds like Danny Green is hoping to meet with the Knicks soon as well, but may not be back from Brazil yet. The Knicks weren’t one of the teams to call him early on. I suspect Green is waiting for the Spurs to figure their other shit out before he has serious discussions with other teams, so said other teams may be waiting as well. Danny signed with the Spurs this morning, for less than Thad Young makes now. The Knicks did remember to call Patrick Beverley, who is bad. They also called Corey Brewer, who is a 3-and-D guy who shot 26 percent from three last season, and currently is a backup plan for the Sacramento Kings. They called Willie Green twice this morning before Danny Green signed with the Spurs. The Knicks have reached out to Jeremy Lin, whom the Kings are also interested in signing. The Kings, you will remember, were one of the teams jostling to draft Frank Kaminsky. They have been battling with the Knicks this whole offseason to get players who are in some demand. This is like when teams know that the Spurs or Rockets are interested in a player, and then try to get the same player because they know he will be good, except for a few minor differences. The Knicks have reached out to Kendrick Perkins, who is a mop languishing in a bucket of dirty, fetid water. The Knicks have reached out to Landry Fields, who is spending this offseason learning to shoot with his left hand. (Landry Fields, who already shot like his parents made him do math problems in his head before he was allowed to release the shoot button, is learning to shoot with his non-dominant hand, because he forgot how to shoot and play in general.) The Knicks are very interested in DeAndre Jordan, and their plan to sign him is to promise to make him the second option on offense, behind Carmelo Anthony. DeAndre Jordan, you will remember, cannot shoot or pass or dribble, which are things that you do on offense. DeAndre Jordan had a four-and-a-half-hour meeting with the Mavericks today, and has been out to dinner with Chandler Parsons for five nights in a row. (Five date rule, I guess.) Anyway, DeAndre’s meeting with the Knicks has not happened yet. The Knicks thought they might sign DeMarre Carroll. They used to have another player named the Junkyard Dog. The current JYD signed with the Raptors. Phil Jackson thought that he might be able to sign Paul Millsap, because he is good at defense, rebounding, and passing, which are things the Knicks need. Paul Millsap re-signed with the Hawks. The Knicks are showing late interest in Derrick Williams, who is a poor shooter who also cannot rebound or pass. The Knicks were interested in David West, who will be 35 when the season starts. Word was they wanted to sign him to a three-year contract. They were “very likely” to sign him just a few days ago. David West said he doesn’t want to play for the Knicks, because they are bad and he is old, which honestly sounds like a good reason the Knicks should also consider. The Knicks want to sign Robin Lopez too, and are planning on meeting with him. Robin Lopez has reportedly met with the Bucks.* Last season, Knicks traded Tyson Chandler away, in part because Phil Jackson was not sure he was a good fit for the triangle offense, and in part to dump Raymond Felton’s contract. He took back Samuel Dalembert, whom the Knicks waived for saying true things, and Jose Calderon. Raymond Felton makes $4.5 million this season, the last year of his deal. Jose Calderon makes $7.4 million this season, and $7.7 million next season. Tyson Chandler signed with the Suns for four years and $52 million, because he is good. The Knicks are interested in K.J. McDaniels, who could not hack it as a Philadelphia 76er. Wayne Ellington and Caron Butler, too. The Knicks are a team that does not have a draft pick next year, and are building around a 31-year-old with knee issues. They are on the clock, yet drafted a young stretch big—the riskiest phenotype in NBA prospects—and now need to plug a 90-pound 7-footer into an NBA defense that features Melo and probably Monroe, and has not ruled out bringing back Jason Smith and mother fucking Bargs. The Knicks are just ignoring reality and the rules of the physical universe around them. The Knicks are bullshit. |
The Knicks have the money he would want, it's in a fantastic city for him to explore his artistic and other off-the-court pursuits, it's a position the Knicks need, if the Knicks use the triangle, then it's a situation where he can use his intelligence, and perhaps above all, he gets to live in the same city as his twin brother. Seems like exactly where he would want to be.
has he been good anywhere? Seems like Lopez, Porz, and Grant have reps as hard workers. Not sure about Afflalo's rep in this regard. But as long as we arent getting stars, I at least like us laying down a foundation of culture change. Williams does not have a good rep for work.
BTW a Magic fan in my office raved about the Afflalo signing and laughed at the idea that he is some ball hog. Said we're gonna really like him.
No it is called building a team and being patient for once...this is not a 1 year rebuild...
How can we be worse than a 17 win team?
This team is headed in the right direction.
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Is our prize free agent I give up....this team might be worse than last year
No it is called building a team and being patient for once...this is not a 1 year rebuild...
How many years do you have Phil and melo for to rebuild??? These guys are scraps....
The Knicks don't really have a choice. They are sober for te first time in a while and are now going through rehab to straighten out.
They are the Redskins of the basketball.
How do they get better? Stop making stupid fucking decisions. Unfortunately, this is going to be mess for a while still. A good year for them would be .500.
Since they can't change their owner, they have to find out if Jackson wants to be here for a while. If not, I would get a GM who will be here for at least 10 years.
Woj just tweeted that DeAndre is truly 50/50 on Clips or Mavs.
They are the Redskins of the basketball.
How do they get better? Stop making stupid fucking decisions. Unfortunately, this is going to be mess for a while still. A good year for them would be .500.
Since they can't change their owner, they have to find out if Jackson wants to be here for a while. If not, I would get a GM who will be here for at least 10 years.
Source says #Knicks still clinging to faint hope for DeAndre Jordan before finalizing anything with Robin Lopez. Haven't been told no.
PG - Grant/Calderon
SG - afflalo
SF - Melo
PF - West
C - R Lopez
Is that anymore then a 6-8 seed?
They are the Redskins of the basketball.
How do they get better? Stop making stupid fucking decisions. Unfortunately, this is going to be mess for a while still. A good year for them would be .500.
Since they can't change their owner, they have to find out if Jackson wants to be here for a while. If not, I would get a GM who will be here for at least 10 years.
I mostly agree with this, except I think we'll be 500 this year, more or less. The East is insanely weak. And I have a really high opinion of Carmelo. We're starting to get fewer mismatched pieces.
Knicks problem really hasnt been FA. It has been trades. They constantly trade #1 picks for unwanted losers. They routinely give up on guys at the low point in their value, often sacrificing assets to move contracts to get unnecessary cap space.
I just dont think that the idea of free agency = bad like it mostly does in the NFL. Warriors got the Finals MVP as a big ticket addition to their drafted guys. Obviously you have the heat. Millsap, Carroll, Korver -- three important FAs on the Hawks this year. Dwight Howard a FA was a big part of the Rockets. I think any plan that forgoes SMART FA signings is pretty bad resource allocation. I dont know how anyone could argue with the Afflalo signing. We'll probably trade him in a few months for a #1 pick.
It doesn't make any sense for them to go in there and not offer the max. They met with him at 1201, they obviously were very interested
Yeah, adding Melo, Afflalo, Lopez, Porzingis, Grant and losing no one worth anything and they might be worse than last year.
Do people even read the shit they type before they hit submit?
Melo is very, very good. We dont have a team that will be a top 5 seed, but we should compete for 500 if we add a few warm bodies with that last 7 million.
At least they have Russell, Randle, and their pick. Maybe max Harris and sign some cheap upsidey centers?
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do the Lakers turn if they dont get Aldridge?
At least they have Russell, Randle, and their pick. Maybe max Harris and sign some cheap upsidey centers?
They only have their pick if they finish in top 3, otherwise Sixers get it
Sorry I'm not creaming my pants with lower level talent, can't tell me any of these names scream excitement to anyone after the awful season we witnessed
Next we're going to be seeing BB 56 post on hockey threads
Look at what their starting 5 will be next year prior to even knowing who we get with the 8 million to spend and then look at the starters last year down the stretch and with a straight face say they might be worse than last year.
Not one fucking guy who started down the stretch last year will start next year, not one. Most won't even sniff the floor.
Does Robin have potential to be better than his brother?
Look at what their starting 5 will be next year prior to even knowing who we get with the 8 million to spend and then look at the starters last year down the stretch and with a straight face say they might be worse than last year.
Not one fucking guy who started down the stretch last year will start next year, not one. Most won't even sniff the floor.
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you said they might be worse than last year, which is about the dumbest shit ever said on here.
Look at what their starting 5 will be next year prior to even knowing who we get with the 8 million to spend and then look at the starters last year down the stretch and with a straight face say they might be worse than last year.
Not one fucking guy who started down the stretch last year will start next year, not one. Most won't even sniff the floor.
ok I was speaking facetiously. agree that was a dumb statement, but after last season this isn't acceptable
What exactly did you expect? Nobody expected the big names (LaMarcus Aldridge, Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, etc.) to come here anyway, so all of this "sky is falling" bullshit is over Greg Monroe? Greg Monroe is a nice player but as many had been saying on here for months, he wasn't going to be the guy to put this team over the top anyway.
Yeah it sucks that the team isn't going to contend this year, but at least they are showing that they have learned their lesson and aren't making the same mistake they made with Amare. They could have overreacted and thrown a max contract at Wes Matthews or Tobias Harris, but instead they are showing restraint and making smart moves. Clearly a 17 win team with a roster with just Carmelo Anthony and a couple of rookies wasn't enough to lure any free agents this year, but if they get to say 30-35 wins next year, Grant and Porzingis show potential, and we have Melo, Lopez, and Afflalo already on the roster then thats a situation that is more likely to be attractive to a Mike Conley, Al Horford, DeRozan, etc.
We all knew going in that this was going to be a 2 year rebuild, why panic and freak the fuck out when it isn't even half way through the process?
Terms for Robin Lopez are unknown at this point. If he signs for $13 million per year, #Knicks will have roughly $6 million left to spend.
Inside source, Phil? What would we be giving up? What CAN we give up?
Lebron/Wade and Bosh all going to one team to win titles is a rarity. Getting a freaking ping pong ball to fall your way in a lottery that even has a franchise player is an ultra rare occurrence.
So stop your whining and acknowledge that so far this offseason they are doing the right things that are in their power to do.
KP was the right pick. The Grant trade was a smart move. The Afflalo deal was a decent value. Lopez is an upgrade if the contract is fair it's a solid fall back position.
One step at a time. It could take longer than we may like but there is no need to be act like a child about it.
Wes Matthews has agreed in principle with the Mavericks on a four-year deal, per source. Turned down huge offer from Sacramento.
Reporters are ripping Jackson, but Monroe would not have been a huge leg up over Lopez, and it isn't clear what else he could have done once it became clear that teams were finding ways to commit next year's cap boost on long-term contracts this year. Especially given that the Knicks have so few picks going forward--lack of young, cheap talent, and lack of trading blocks.
Lopez is for one year only, so the Knicks get another crack next year.