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DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 8:23 am
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Arron Afflalo will sign a two year deal with the Knicks. His option on the second year. $16 million total.

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What Are The Knicks Doing?
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What Are The Knicks Doing?

I’m just going to list some things the Knicks are doing.

The Knicks wanted to sign LaMarcus Aldridge.
But LaMarcus made them wait until last to meet with him.

They will see him tomorrow, maybe.
The Knicks think they can sign Greg Monroe, and met with him last night.
Monroe is a fine offensive player but will have to play alongside a 19-year-old who is very thin—and also Carmelo Anthony—and he is one of the worst defensive big men in the league.
The Knicks like his butt.
The Knicks would like to get Wes Matthews to play in the triangle, and presumably defend the perimeter. Wes Matthews is thinking it over while he recovers from a torn Achilles tendon, a bad injury for a guard.
The Knicks are meeting with Arron Afflalo tomorrow. Afflalo was a Portland Trail Blazer last year. He shot well from three and on spot-ups in general, but was well below average at every other facet of the game, per Synergy Sports.
The Knicks are expected to offer Afflalo “in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million.”
The Knicks wanted to sign Danny Green, but they forgot to call him:
Sounds like Danny Green is hoping to meet with the Knicks soon as well, but may not be back from Brazil yet. The Knicks weren’t one of the teams to call him early on. I suspect Green is waiting for the Spurs to figure their other shit out before he has serious discussions with other teams, so said other teams may be waiting as well.
Danny signed with the Spurs this morning, for less than Thad Young makes now.
The Knicks did remember to call Patrick Beverley, who is bad.
They also called Corey Brewer, who is a 3-and-D guy who shot 26 percent from three last season, and currently is a backup plan for the Sacramento Kings.
They called Willie Green twice this morning before Danny Green signed with the Spurs.
The Knicks have reached out to Jeremy Lin, whom the Kings are also interested in signing.
The Kings, you will remember, were one of the teams jostling to draft Frank Kaminsky. They have been battling with the Knicks this whole offseason to get players who are in some demand. This is like when teams know that the Spurs or Rockets are interested in a player, and then try to get the same player because they know he will be good, except for a few minor differences.
The Knicks have reached out to Kendrick Perkins, who is a mop languishing in a bucket of dirty, fetid water.
The Knicks have reached out to Landry Fields, who is spending this offseason learning to shoot with his left hand.
(Landry Fields, who already shot like his parents made him do math problems in his head before he was allowed to release the shoot button, is learning to shoot with his non-dominant hand, because he forgot how to shoot and play in general.)
The Knicks are very interested in DeAndre Jordan, and their plan to sign him is to promise to make him the second option on offense, behind Carmelo Anthony.
DeAndre Jordan, you will remember, cannot shoot or pass or dribble, which are things that you do on offense.
DeAndre Jordan had a four-and-a-half-hour meeting with the Mavericks today, and has been out to dinner with Chandler Parsons for five nights in a row. (Five date rule, I guess.) Anyway, DeAndre’s meeting with the Knicks has not happened yet.
The Knicks thought they might sign DeMarre Carroll. They used to have another player named the Junkyard Dog.
The current JYD signed with the Raptors.
Phil Jackson thought that he might be able to sign Paul Millsap, because he is good at defense, rebounding, and passing, which are things the Knicks need.
Paul Millsap re-signed with the Hawks.
The Knicks are showing late interest in Derrick Williams, who is a poor shooter who also cannot rebound or pass.
The Knicks were interested in David West, who will be 35 when the season starts. Word was they wanted to sign him to a three-year contract. They were “very likely” to sign him just a few days ago.
David West said he doesn’t want to play for the Knicks, because they are bad and he is old, which honestly sounds like a good reason the Knicks should also consider.
The Knicks want to sign Robin Lopez too, and are planning on meeting with him.
Robin Lopez has reportedly met with the Bucks.*
Last season, Knicks traded Tyson Chandler away, in part because Phil Jackson was not sure he was a good fit for the triangle offense, and in part to dump Raymond Felton’s contract. He took back Samuel Dalembert, whom the Knicks waived for saying true things, and Jose Calderon.
Raymond Felton makes $4.5 million this season, the last year of his deal.
Jose Calderon makes $7.4 million this season, and $7.7 million next season.
Tyson Chandler signed with the Suns for four years and $52 million, because he is good.
The Knicks are interested in K.J. McDaniels, who could not hack it as a Philadelphia 76er.
Wayne Ellington and Caron Butler, too.
The Knicks are a team that does not have a draft pick next year, and are building around a 31-year-old with knee issues. They are on the clock, yet drafted a young stretch big—the riskiest phenotype in NBA prospects—and now need to plug a 90-pound 7-footer into an NBA defense that features Melo and probably Monroe, and has not ruled out bringing back Jason Smith and mother fucking Bargs.
The Knicks are just ignoring reality and the rules of the physical universe around them.
The Knicks are bullshit.



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The Knicks also have a meeting set up in L.A. with shooting guard Arron Afflalo, who is friends with Carmelo Anthony, and defensive center Robin Lopez.
The Knicks, however, still didn’t have Monroe in the bag and hopefully for Jackson’s sake, he’s not thinking along the lines of free agent David West, whom The Post reported wasn’t interested in the woebegone Knicks. The Indy Star quoted West on Wednesday, calling the rumors “ridiculous’’ because the Knicks don’t “qualify’’ as “a contender.’’
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Since the Magic didn't get Mislap  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 11:08 am : link
I am not sure how much they are on the "not matching a max for Harris" bandwagon anymore.
The Bucks are going to keep getting better  
UConn4523 : 7/2/2015 11:08 am : link
and its a market with zero pressure. Makes sense to me, not everyone wants to be in NYC.
RE: Sorry,  
Deej : 7/2/2015 11:09 am : link
In comment 12353188 Jon in NYC said:
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I just dont agree with the notion that we need a 15/10 guy who can't defend or block shots.


Except when he isnt forced to play PF next to Drummond, he's a 20-13 guy per 36, with a PER in the high 20s. Who was available at age 24 for DeMarre Carroll money.

Really bummed.
RE: Sorry,  
MookGiants : 7/2/2015 11:09 am : link
In comment 12353188 Jon in NYC said:
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I just dont agree with the notion that we need a 15/10 guy who can't defend or block shots.


We need good players. He's a good player, certainly has his flaws, but we need talent. Right now we have very little. It's not like there are other good options for using our cap space on. We'll wind up using it on guys who aren't anywhere near as good just to fill the roster out
When responding to if the Knicks offered max  
nygiants16 : 7/2/2015 11:09 am : link
Sam Amick retweeted
Jeff Zillgitt ‏@JeffZillgitt 5m5 minutes ago
Jeff Zillgitt retweeted Chris Herring
They did not, from what I was told.
RE: Knicks didnt offer Max  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 11:09 am : link
In comment 12353194 nygiants16 said:
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so how interested were they really?


If thats really the case that makes me feel tons better about it if they did not think he was a fit.
per Jeff Zillgitt at USA Today  
Enzo : 7/2/2015 11:10 am : link
they did NOT offer the max. Interesting. Not sure I agree with that approach.
RE: When responding to if the Knicks offered max  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/2/2015 11:10 am : link
In comment 12353208 nygiants16 said:
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Sam Amick retweeted
Jeff Zillgitt ‏@JeffZillgitt 5m5 minutes ago
Jeff Zillgitt retweeted Chris Herring
They did not, from what I was told.


We are beyond fucking stupid if that's the case.

If we seriously didn't commit fully to Monroe because of LMA and DeAndre then we deserve to be dog shit.
What good is cap space if even lower tier free agents are saying nah  
Mason : 7/2/2015 11:11 am : link
Serious question, if FAs didn't like you last year, not really crazy about you this summer, what in the hell makes you think that next year will be so different when every team got a lot more cap space to play with?

I would trade Carmelo for some picks. Just wow.
If we can pilfer the Warriors  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 11:11 am : link
in a Lee deal this makes up for losing Monroe entirely. Especially if we can get Biyombo or Koufos at center.
Why is the media...  
Italianju : 7/2/2015 11:12 am : link
acting like MIL beat the knicks on Monroe or "outbid us". We had the money so we didnt think he was worth it (I disagree). So the knciks show financial restraint and its painted as us being beat by MIL? Im not happy and would have offered him the max, but i kinda like that the knicks didnt want to overpay, ha.
If we didnt offer him DeMarre Carroll money  
Deej : 7/2/2015 11:12 am : link
then we didnt really pursue him IMO. That's ridiculous to me given we took a 12:01 meeting with him, but I guess Phil didnt really want him.

Really disappointing.
Is Isola gonna tell us again  
bceagle05 : 7/2/2015 11:12 am : link
how Monroe to the Knicks is as close to a done deal as it gets? I think we dodged a bullet with that one. It does make you wonder if the Knicks made good progress with Lopez last night, or - dare I say it - have reason to believe they're landing a bigger fish.
I prefer the Milwaukee beat us approach  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/2/2015 11:12 am : link
Rather than the "Knicks are dumb as fucking bricks" approach they could actually take.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 11:13 am : link
Don't see how 15 million per for 4 years can be an "overpay" when guys like Carroll get 60 and Shumpert gets 40
Well, we're meeting with Jordan and Aldridge today  
Anakim : 7/2/2015 11:13 am : link
Who knows? Maybe Phil thinks he can nab one of them.
burned by David Falk once again!  
Enzo : 7/2/2015 11:13 am : link
Just speculating, but maybe they wanted him to take less in exchange for a short term deal or early opt outs? I'm mildly disappointing, but this is not a crippling loss.
if they didn't offer him the max  
MookGiants : 7/2/2015 11:13 am : link
that's just plain old dumb. His max is not bad at all.
RE: Well, we're meeting with Jordan and Aldridge today  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 11:14 am : link
In comment 12353225 Anakim said:
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Who knows? Maybe Phil thinks he can nab one of them.


He almost certainly can't
I dont think it was just the money...  
Italianju : 7/2/2015 11:14 am : link
to be honest. I bet he didnt like having to wait for us to meet with other guys, i bet he didnt like we won 17 games last year, etc... The money prolly had something to do with it, but i dont really get what we were thinking in not offering him the max. So now when the cap is going up and contracts are absurd NOW we are going to draw hard lines with guys? That doesnt make sense
I wonder if Phil brings back Bargnani on the cheap  
steve in ky : 7/2/2015 11:14 am : link
for one more season?
RE: Just  
Deej : 7/2/2015 11:15 am : link
In comment 12353224 DanMetroMan said:
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Don't see how 15 million per for 4 years can be an "overpay" when guys like Carroll get 60 and Shumpert gets 40


Right. The ONLY explanation that is acceptable is a solid belief re Aldridge and Jordan, or Harris. Except these LMA and DJ didnt even carve us out time yesterday, leaving us hanging on Monroe.

Sounds like it is time to start asset building.
RE: Just  
Mason : 7/2/2015 11:15 am : link
In comment 12353224 DanMetroMan said:
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Don't see how 15 million per for 4 years can be an "overpay" when guys like Carroll get 60 and Shumpert gets 40


This. Basically everyone was explaining yesterday that salaries and the market increased based on the salary cap adjustment going forward. Phil has to be aware of this unless he is railing against the system just based on principle.
Pissed  
Carl in CT : 7/2/2015 11:15 am : link
But makes me laugh how everyone penciled Monroe into our lineup. I knew it wasn't going to happen cause everyone felt it was a done deal. Losing faith that Phil can't close the door. Well prove me wrong and sign a big and I don't mean Robin Lopez!
RE: How  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/2/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12353142 Jon in NYC said:
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is Houston not on the cusp? They were the 2 seed in the West and have 2 bonafide superstars.


They're not the only team in the west with 2 bonafide superstars.

Do you think they're set to get back to the 2-seed again? I expect the WC to be a slugfest. Everybody enjoyed a Durant-less west last season.
.  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2015 11:17 am : link
LOL.. so we will likely strike out swinging on all 3 bigs.

Robin Lopez will be our consolation prize.
RE: RE: How  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12353236 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12353142 Jon in NYC said:


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is Houston not on the cusp? They were the 2 seed in the West and have 2 bonafide superstars.



They're not the only team in the west with 2 bonafide superstars.

Do you think they're set to get back to the 2-seed again? I expect the WC to be a slugfest. Everybody enjoyed a Durant-less west last season.


Just because there are other teams that are really good doesn't mean that Houston isn't also really good.
it looks worse  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/2/2015 11:18 am : link
because the talk for months made it seem like Monroe was a lock to come here, so the fact that he didn't makes it seem like a bigger failure on Phil's part, considering that the big 3 (Gasol, LMA, Jordan) had no shot of coming here.
3 year deal  
Anakim : 7/2/2015 11:18 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 36s36 seconds ago
Monroe will sign a three year deal, with a player option on the third year, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Didn't the Lakers and Blazers meet with Monroe as well?  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 11:19 am : link
There must be something if none of the other teams were pursuing him. Maybe he isn't all that he is hyped up to be.

Onto Harris. And then David Lee if that falls through.
Toss  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 11:19 am : link
Out a sheet to Enes Kanter
.  
Anakim : 7/2/2015 11:19 am : link
Tommy Dee ‏@ThomasCDee 17s18 seconds ago
David Lee and Jeremy Lin return slowly starting to go from simmer to boil, per source. #knicks
haha. we're gonna end up with fucking Bismack Biyombo  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 11:19 am : link
.
RE: Toss  
BeerFridge : 7/2/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12353243 DanMetroMan said:
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Out a sheet to Enes Kanter


I approve
Another thing is that teams are locking up the young future stars  
Mason : 7/2/2015 11:20 am : link
so who exactly will the Knicks be looking to go after in future years. I think if their was a plan it kinda backfired on Phil.
I hope we start Porz  
Carl in CT : 7/2/2015 11:21 am : link
At center. Screw it I don't want to watch a piece of shit like Robin Lopez. I want to win a title! If not keep rebuilding and that means Melo has to go! Executive of the year my Ass!
I wanted Monroe for the fact  
giantsfan44ab : 7/2/2015 11:21 am : link
that he would be here after Melo had deteriorated. We weren't going to win shit with Melo and Monroe. But if he took a 2 year deal, he wasn't really in it for the long haul now was he?
This is a huge failure  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/2/2015 11:21 am : link
If we couldn't get Monroe because we didn't offer max. No other way of putting it. I mean it's a failure no matter what, but this just takes it to a whole other level.
What does he know? lol  
nygiants16 : 7/2/2015 11:22 am : link
Clarence Gaines ‏@ClarenceGaines2 1m1 minute ago
On point @AminESPN - Haters will Hater, but the truth will unfold in time - "We'll see" & "time will tell" are 2 of my favorite sayings.
RE: .  
Deej : 7/2/2015 11:22 am : link
In comment 12353244 Anakim said:
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Tommy Dee ‏@ThomasCDee 17s18 seconds ago
David Lee and Jeremy Lin return slowly starting to go from simmer to boil, per source. #knicks


Can we just agree that Tommy Dee has no sources and not post things he says?
RE: I hope we start Porz  
Earl the goat : 7/2/2015 11:22 am : link
In comment 12353251 Carl in CT said:
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At center. Screw it I don't want to watch a piece of shit like Robin Lopez. I want to win a title! If not keep rebuilding and that means Melo has to go! Executive of the year my Ass!


AgreeCarl. Melo has to go.
.  
Anakim : 7/2/2015 11:22 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4s5 seconds ago
Greg Monroe will sign a three-year, $50M deal with the Bucks, including the player option on the final year, sources tell Yahoo.
RE: Another thing is that teams are locking up the young future stars  
Enzo : 7/2/2015 11:22 am : link
In comment 12353249 Mason said:
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so who exactly will the Knicks be looking to go after in future years. I think if their was a plan it kinda backfired on Phil.

this is nothing new. In nearly every single case, young stars sign a second contract with the teams who drafted them.
RE: I wanted Monroe for the fact  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/2/2015 11:22 am : link
In comment 12353252 giantsfan44ab said:
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that he would be here after Melo had deteriorated. We weren't going to win shit with Melo and Monroe. But if he took a 2 year deal, he wasn't really in it for the long haul now was he?


Again, there's no use in being bad next year. We have every reason to be as competitive as humanly possible. We have no pick.

This is bad news no matter how you want to view it.
I hate Tommy Dipshit,  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2015 11:22 am : link
but I actually am pretty confident that he has sources within David Lee's camp.
RE: Toss  
Anakim : 7/2/2015 11:24 am : link
In comment 12353243 DanMetroMan said:
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Out a sheet to Enes Kanter


Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN now
The Knicks are considering making an offer to OKC restricted free agent Enes Kanter.
Given that Monroe's version of a max deal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/2/2015 11:24 am : link
is pretty affordable in this market, I would like to know why they didn't go to that extent for him.
If you're going to issue a max contract, he checks all the boxes on the list. Size, Young, offensively-talented, rebound machine. The knocks against him are that he's not brilliant defensively and he's not a super athlete.

But, they didn't want him in Detroit, and apparently the Knicks weren't treating him like a must have either.
RE: I hate Tommy Dipshit,  
Deej : 7/2/2015 11:24 am : link
In comment 12353262 Jon in NYC said:
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but I actually am pretty confident that he has sources within David Lee's camp.


Why does every player have a "camp"? The hangers-on surrounding professional athletes are a plague on them.
RE: This is a huge failure  
nygiants16 : 7/2/2015 11:24 am : link
In comment 12353253 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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If we couldn't get Monroe because we didn't offer max. No other way of putting it. I mean it's a failure no matter what, but this just takes it to a whole other level.


It is not a huge failure until December and the team is 10 games under 500 until then we do not know anything...
Fuck david Lee and Lin  
Carl in CT : 7/2/2015 11:24 am : link
Lee couldn't get minutes on a championship team. Lin is just a loser who plays no D! I guess use the trade exceptions and start making deals!
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