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NFT: Mets vs Cubs Game 3. Aka "The Shakeup"

Shecky : 7/2/2015 10:34 am
Everyone brace themselves, cover yourself with a mattress, stand in a door frame. Here comes the big shakeup we all heard about last night!!!
Talk about a shakeup:. LONG LIVE TERRY COLLINS!!!!
Granderson
Ceciliani
Murphy
Duda
Flores
Campbell
Monell
deGrom
Tejada
I can't stand Collins and want him gone  
Torrag : 7/2/2015 10:36 am : link
Who is he going to play? There is no talent. Any shakeup has to start with Sandy and involves player movement.
YIKES! My son's American Legion team could out hit  
Victor in CT : 7/2/2015 10:57 am : link
that bunch.

Shecky, exactly how is this Collins' fault? which prime time bat is he not playing today? HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. NOT ONE LEGIT MAJOR LEAGUE BAT. Blame Alderson and ownership.

Also, you do understand that Collins (nor any manager) does not have free rein to run the team as he sees fit under the Alderson/Beane model, right? The manager is viewed as "middle management", there to execute what he is told by the GM.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2015 11:02 am : link
Do we get shut out again today? Gotta be a decent chance with Arrieta on the hill for CHC I would think.
Maybe they can DH Matz, Harvey and Syndegaard  
Victor in CT : 7/2/2015 11:05 am : link
when they play in AL parks. :-)
Mets sign Giminez  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 11:06 am : link
the number 2 ranked IFA and Gregory Guerrero. Not a bad day for the organization. Please don't tell what this does for today
And they still don't DL Cuddy  
speedywheels : 7/2/2015 11:10 am : link
leaving the bench short again.
Need a "hats for bats" promotion  
Csonka : 7/2/2015 11:20 am : link
Bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come.
"Straight ball I hit very well"  
Victor in CT : 7/2/2015 11:27 am : link
"curve I do not hit"

"Jobu, if you don't help me now, I say fuck you Jobu"
babip  
sshin05 : 7/2/2015 11:43 am : link
is not the Met's friend.
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RE: I can't stand Collins and want him gone  
schabadoo : 7/2/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12353080 Torrag said:
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Who is he going to play? There is no talent. Any shakeup has to start with Sandy and involves player movement.


Blaming the manager for the terrible offense and sub-par defense, I don't get it. Murpy and Tejada have no baseball sense, Flores can't do anything lately, Duda forgot how to hit, etc.

That said, I'd probably can him, shake things up. Easier to fire the manager than the squad.
You can not blame  
Metnut : 7/2/2015 12:27 pm : link
Collins for the team's offensive woes and still think he's a shitty manager.
Duda  
Hilary : 7/2/2015 12:57 pm : link
This guy cost himself a lot of money when he turned down contract extension.Hard to blame Sandy or Collins for injuries to D'Arnaud,Wright,Murphy,Blevins and regression of Duda.
RE: Mets sign Giminez  
stillpoe : 7/2/2015 1:24 pm : link
In comment 12353186 Headhunter said:
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the number 2 ranked IFA and Gregory Guerrero. Not a bad day for the organization. Please don't tell what this does for today


and Guerrero was ranked number 6, right? Nice! I'm choosing to focus on this positive and not our embarrassing lack of offense/triple A position players.
Is there a dumber  
Stufftherun : 7/2/2015 1:26 pm : link
base runner than Murph? He would have been picked off of 2nd ladt night with just an average throw from the catcher.
lol MURPHY  
feelflows : 7/2/2015 1:27 pm : link
gets picked off at 1st...BY THE CATCHER


same ol story same ol NY METS...my friends
jeez that is pathetic. can't field, can't run the bases, no baseball  
Victor in CT : 7/2/2015 1:32 pm : link
IQ, and he's their best hope in the lineup today.
The best pitcher in baseball  
SuperRonJohnson : 7/2/2015 1:46 pm : link
depends on who is pitching against the Met's each day. Management needs to do something.
If Granderson's hot streak  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 1:51 pm : link
is over forget it. lol
deGrom is off  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 1:52 pm : link
Thanks 6 man rotation.
Something has to give ...  
Stufftherun : 7/2/2015 1:54 pm : link
you can't just sit idly by and watch them drift out to sea and into oblivion.
this is  
feelflows : 7/2/2015 1:58 pm : link
hard to watch
lol.  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 1:59 pm : link
deGrom. Our pitchers are seriously better hitters than the players in our lineup right now.
RE: lol.  
feelflows : 7/2/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12353770 ZGiants98 said:
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deGrom. Our pitchers are seriously better hitters than the players in our lineup right now.


I'm laughing..seriously.

He doubles off the wall, other guys can't get it out of the infield.
Mets two big IFA signings  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 1:59 pm : link
Are official
Mets IFA signings - ( New Window )
Either Sandy  
gmen9892 : 7/2/2015 2:00 pm : link
Is desperately trying to get to the ASB with this team as currently constructed until reinforcements get back, or there is truly nobody selling anything of notice.

I would find it very hard to believe that Sandy is doing nothing with all this outside pressure. It would be a really bad look if that was the case.

If I start seeing other teams make moves while we are still standing by idly, then I will start pointing fingers at Sandy.
example given  
feelflows : 7/2/2015 2:00 pm : link
Tejada 1st pitch weak grounder to SS... nice
Grandy comes  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:02 pm : link
through. Our savior!
RUN SCORED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
feelflows : 7/2/2015 2:02 pm : link
Granderson doubles in deGrom!!! wowowowowowow`
You can get anything you want in MLB, if you're willing to give up  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/2/2015 2:03 pm : link
something.

The Mets could probably have Tulo at SS if they were willing to trade off one of these pitchers.

I'm not saying they should, but strictly saying that there are always deals to be made if they're willing to pay up in prospects or absorb salary.

They're not willing to.
And the first runner  
Stufftherun : 7/2/2015 2:04 pm : link
to cross the plate in 20 plus innings is our SP ...should have known.
I personally do not  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:06 pm : link
want to trade off one of our big pitchers under and circumstance.

The worst thing would be to trade one off for a temporary bandaid that likely only mildly helps us. If players like Duda don't come out of it and we don't get a couple guys back from the DL like TDA and Wright this team isn't going anywhere anyway. Might as well keep the stud pitching and reload in the offseason.
I wouldn't give up anything for Tulowitzki. He's always hurt  
Victor in CT : 7/2/2015 2:14 pm : link
and offensively he is a completely different player away from the thin air in Colorado. Here are some lifetime home vs. away #s:

xxxx avg slg OPS+
Home .325 .563 116
Away .276 .466 84

Add in his ridiculous contract and it spells A-V-O-I-D
I would move one of our young starting pitchers in a package  
Torrag : 7/2/2015 2:16 pm : link
It would only be for the right bat under contract. Who that is and what assets from the pipeline would be sacrificed I hope Sandy knows because that is his job.

Wheeler will be back and we'll still send four studs to the mound out of five next season. I'm thinking long term with the understanding that David Wright can no longer be 'the man' for this club.

The player acquired would be expensive though so the 'don't trade any pitchers' crowd can calm down as the Wilponsis will never go for it.
RE: I personally do not  
Stufftherun : 7/2/2015 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12353789 ZGiants98 said:
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want to trade off one of our big pitchers under and circumstance.

The worst thing would be to trade one off for a temporary bandaid that likely only mildly helps us. If players like Duda don't come out of it and we don't get a couple guys back from the DL like TDA and Wright this team isn't going anywhere anyway. Might as well keep the stud pitching and reload in the offseason.


Agreed. There's no reason for a panic move at this juncture and unless a potential move is centered around Niese, Gee or Colon it likely isn't worth it.
It just hit me like a thunderbolt  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 2:32 pm : link
you can laugh at me and tell how obvious it is, but it just hit me. Yes they need bat(s) but what the need more is someone other than Matt Harvey that has a personality and will get in players faces and kick them in the ass. They need a Keith Hernandez or a Gary Carter type who wouldn't stand for this nonsense and get in guy's grills. This is a team of Duda's. No personalities, no fire, no life. I'm not talking about Keith's bat or The Kid's bat which would help. Gets Nails a Backman an in your face guy
RE: I would move one of our young starting pitchers in a package  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:33 pm : link
In comment 12353806 Torrag said:
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It would only be for the right bat under contract. Who that is and what assets from the pipeline would be sacrificed I hope Sandy knows because that is his job.

Wheeler will be back and we'll still send four studs to the mound out of five next season. I'm thinking long term with the understanding that David Wright can no longer be 'the man' for this club.

The player acquired would be expensive though so the 'don't trade any pitchers' crowd can calm down as the Wilponsis will never go for it.


That's a copout. Sandy should know because thats his job?? You don't have a single solution but he should? There are no solutions. There's only a handful of elite hitters in the game and they aren't available. The second tier guys aren't worth it and some like Upton will be available in the offseason anyway.
RE: It just hit me like a thunderbolt  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12353857 Headhunter said:
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you can laugh at me and tell how obvious it is, but it just hit me. Yes they need bat(s) but what the need more is someone other than Matt Harvey that has a personality and will get in players faces and kick them in the ass. They need a Keith Hernandez or a Gary Carter type who wouldn't stand for this nonsense and get in guy's grills. This is a team of Duda's. No personalities, no fire, no life. I'm not talking about Keith's bat or The Kid's bat which would help. Gets Nails a Backman an in your face guy


Sadly, thats the reputation Cuddyer had. Reynolds seems like he might be a gritty player. I agree with your premise though.
RE: It just hit me like a thunderbolt  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12353857 Headhunter said:
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you can laugh at me and tell how obvious it is, but it just hit me. Yes they need bat(s) but what the need more is someone other than Matt Harvey that has a personality and will get in players faces and kick them in the ass. They need a Keith Hernandez or a Gary Carter type who wouldn't stand for this nonsense and get in guy's grills. This is a team of Duda's. No personalities, no fire, no life. I'm not talking about Keith's bat or The Kid's bat which would help. Gets Nails a Backman an in your face guy


BINGO
It is so in front of my face  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 2:38 pm : link
this is like watching the Walking Dead. Harvey can only do it 1 every 6 days. You need a spark plug a Chase Utley that plays with an edge. Ray Knight where are you to punch Eric Davis in the face?
HH  
jayg5 : 7/2/2015 2:38 pm : link
Agree 100% with your last post.
Couple weeks ago when they struck out in 9th inning all by looking at strike 3 pitches Cuddyer came out and said ,"hey thats baseball". Pussy attitude approach.
Actually going back to the Beltran  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:39 pm : link
era, I long thought this team was full of pansies. We've long had a team full of choir boys that wilted like flowers when the heat was turned up (see 2007-2008) and it hasn't changed since.
'You don't have a single solution but he should?'  
Torrag : 7/2/2015 2:40 pm : link
I'm not immersed in the business of baseball to build a winning team. Man you're so myopic sometimes I'm surprised you can function.
So who are the  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:40 pm : link
"bad boys" around baseball? lol. I can't even really think of any right now. Bryce Harper might be the biggest but thats not happening obviously.
RE: 'You don't have a single solution but he should?'  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12353878 Torrag said:
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I'm not immersed in the business of baseball to build a winning team. Man you're so myopic sometimes I'm surprised you can function.


Lol. Ok so continue bitching about moves that should be made that you have zero solutions for. Thanks.
You also have serious reading comprehension issues  
Torrag : 7/2/2015 2:44 pm : link
Not surprising as you view every statement through the goggles of your own agenda. Done with this. Please go back to your daily bipolar meltdown.
RE: You also have serious reading comprehension issues  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12353894 Torrag said:
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Not surprising as you view every statement through the goggles of your own agenda. Done with this. Please go back to your daily bipolar meltdown.


Daily meltdown? Do you even post here? Seriously. You show up once a year to offer gems like...

"I'm not immersed in the business of baseball to build a winning team." That's Sandy's job apparently.... Yet you come here to tell us how to run a business of baseball and to build a winning team...lol.

Thanks for your awesome input.
RE: So who are the  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12353879 ZGiants98 said:
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"bad boys" around baseball? lol. I can't even really think of any right now. Bryce Harper might be the biggest but thats not happening obviously.


There is a huge lack of personality in baseball. And it goes all e way down the ladder. It's become too "professional" in High School and stays that way. There are some personalities out there, but few and far between. It has become a very bland game which makes it difficult to promote.
Cuddyer  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 2:51 pm : link
Is known as a good clubhouse guy but isn't known for being fiery or in your face at all. He's known for being a "calming influence"
deGrom doesn't have it today  
speedywheels : 7/2/2015 2:51 pm : link
down 4-1. With this offense, it might as well be 20-1...
Pence  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 2:52 pm : link
Is awesome (personality wise), Bumgarner is a total badass. Love the culture the SF Giants seem to cultivate
RE: RE: So who are the  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 2:52 pm : link
In comment 12353912 Shecky said:
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In comment 12353879 ZGiants98 said:


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"bad boys" around baseball? lol. I can't even really think of any right now. Bryce Harper might be the biggest but thats not happening obviously.



There is a huge lack of personality in baseball. And it goes all e way down the ladder. It's become too "professional" in High School and stays that way. There are some personalities out there, but few and far between. It has become a very bland game which makes it difficult to promote.


I agree with this. I also think with hitting reaching all time lows theres a lot less confidence. There's no more Barry Bonds anymore who just knew they could beat you. Maybe somebody like Stanton or Harper comes close to that but league wide its terrible.
Neyer  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2015 2:54 pm : link
And I had a Twitter conversation earlier in the season and we both agreed they need to do something significant to add scoring to the game. Lowering the mound was one option we both liked . Smaller strike zone would be another option
I think this road trip  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:04 pm : link
will be Terry's swan song. How they play on this road trip will dictate his fate. If we get slaughtered, he's gone.
And speaking of a fiery personality  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:07 pm : link
Yes, Wally Backman would be just that, which is one of the main reasons I want him up if Collins is gone. He knows all of the players here and should be given a shot. Id be fine with Lopez too. I know people here don't like Backman but it would be a perfect interim shot to see how he did until the end of the year and if it doesn't work you can bring in somebody else in next year.
Positives?  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:09 pm : link
Verrett has looked very good. Think he's our permanent long man/6th starter/reliever going forward.
Sorry to bother anyone enjoying the game  
sphinx : 7/2/2015 3:10 pm : link
but is it true the Mets scored a run? Thanks in advance.

I actually like the commissioners idea  
Torrag : 7/2/2015 3:13 pm : link
Eliminate extreme defensive shifts. It's a far less invasive way to infuse some offense than altering the strike zone or the pitchers mound.
RE: And speaking of a fiery personality  
PhiPsi125 : 7/2/2015 3:17 pm : link
In comment 12353993 ZGiants98 said:
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Yes, Wally Backman would be just that, which is one of the main reasons I want him up if Collins is gone. He knows all of the players here and should be given a shot. Id be fine with Lopez too. I know people here don't like Backman but it would be a perfect interim shot to see how he did until the end of the year and if it doesn't work you can bring in somebody else in next year.


I agree. I mean, it's worth a shot. Collins was never a part of the long term plan and he has absolutely lost this team...again....and again. But I just don't have any faith in sandy doing anything. And he'll use the excuse of "not wanting to make a panic move" to do nothing. Not every move needs to be a panic move. But the culture in this place needs to change. One "firey" player isn't going to do it. What's the worst that can happen? If backman doesn't work out than you get a new manager in the offseason anyway. But Alderson doesn't make moves unless they are safe moves...so i don't expect any shakeups.

This team looks bad but they have more talent than what they are showing. And sandy is wasting time. If they shit the bed on this next road trip than the season is over anyway, so what's the point? Make the change now, before it gets worse. So maybe you can salvage the season. I really don't know what they are waiting for.
RE: I actually like the commissioners idea  
speedywheels : 7/2/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12354011 Torrag said:
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Eliminate extreme defensive shifts. It's a far less invasive way to infuse some offense than altering the strike zone or the pitchers mound.


Ugh, not this again. Here;s an idea - how about the hitters adjust?? The reason why shifts started in the first place is because certain players were hitting the ball in the roughly the same spot every time. So the defense shifted to cover those spots, and guess what? The players kept hitting in the same spots.

If they simply hit the ball the other way, they would get a base hit (probably a double). Every. Single. Time. And if they did that, the defense would have to shift back.

And yes, they can do it if they wanted to. They ARE Major League hitters, after all. You don't get to the Majors without being able to hit the ball to all fields...
I mean, think about it. This is a team full of very young players,  
PhiPsi125 : 7/2/2015 3:23 pm : link
many who are familiar with Backman. I understand that such a drastic change in managerial demeanor would be less effective on a team full of vets...but these are all young kids. This is the absolute perfect time to try such a change. Ugh. It's such an easy move. But it's a move Sandy would NEVER make. Because he is stuck in his relic moneyball ways that NEVER was all that successful anyway.
I agree...  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:26 pm : link
But I think with Backman its as much to do with him being an insubordinate or maybe something back to him possibly being balled at the ML level as it is actually making the change because of Collins. I think they are afraid to go with Backman sadly.

Im pretty sure Sandy would get rid of Collins. He apparently was about to last offseason.
RE: RE: I actually like the commissioners idea  
Victor in CT : 7/2/2015 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12354040 speedywheels said:
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In comment 12354011 Torrag said:


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Eliminate extreme defensive shifts. It's a far less invasive way to infuse some offense than altering the strike zone or the pitchers mound.



Ugh, not this again. Here;s an idea - how about the hitters adjust?? The reason why shifts started in the first place is because certain players were hitting the ball in the roughly the same spot every time. So the defense shifted to cover those spots, and guess what? The players kept hitting in the same spots.

If they simply hit the ball the other way, they would get a base hit (probably a double). Every. Single. Time. And if they did that, the defense would have to shift back.

And yes, they can do it if they wanted to. They ARE Major League hitters, after all. You don't get to the Majors without being able to hit the ball to all fields...


Agree. Hitters are going to be trained to use all fields again instead of trying to jack everything.
speedy  
Torrag : 7/2/2015 3:30 pm : link
I think the game needs more offense. The options to do so are limited. This strikes me as a way to do it that isn't overkill. I'm not going to get upset if it doesn't change but ti deserves exploration as do some other approaches. If you like the game as it is that's great.

Any minor league teams to start watching  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 3:30 pm : link
I mean besides the Mets. Vegas isn't interesting anymore. Bing has a couple of players and that's it, ditto for PSL. Anything to follow?
Z- seems like so long ago  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 3:32 pm : link
Man, remember the good times from this offseason. When we t bought debating the Mayberry signing was actually a worthwhile conversation? For several days.
RE: Any minor league teams to start watching  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:33 pm : link
In comment 12354061 Shecky said:
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I mean besides the Mets. Vegas isn't interesting anymore. Bing has a couple of players and that's it, ditto for PSL. Anything to follow?


I like Bing a lot. 3 first round picks. Fulmer has been awesome. Yon has been better. Lugo is interesting. Akeel Morris in the pen.

St. Lucie has some talent. Sucks Urena has been out so long.
Ynoa.  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:34 pm : link
spell check.
RE: Z- seems like so long ago  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:36 pm : link
In comment 12354063 Shecky said:
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Man, remember the good times from this offseason. When we t bought debating the Mayberry signing was actually a worthwhile conversation? For several days.


lol. Yup. Never expected it would fall apart to these levels. So many injuries(TDA, Wright, Murphy), so many players not stepping up when called upon(Flores, Herrera, Plawecki,), and so many players underperforming (Duda, Cuddyer, ect.)

Just a mess.
RE: speedy  
speedywheels : 7/2/2015 3:40 pm : link
In comment 12354059 Torrag said:
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I think the game needs more offense. The options to do so are limited. This strikes me as a way to do it that isn't overkill. I'm not going to get upset if it doesn't change but ti deserves exploration as do some other approaches. If you like the game as it is that's great.


Sorry, didn't mean to come off as attacking you. The game was tilted towards the offense for so long, I guess I don't mind that it has swung the other way. The fields still favor the hitters - most are bandboxes - so they need to adjust to this seemingly excellent crops of pitchers (yes, some of them look good because they hitting sucks, but most are the ones making the hitters look terrible)...
Z, why would Backman be blackballed in MLB?  
PhiPsi125 : 7/2/2015 3:41 pm : link
.
RE: Z, why would Backman be blackballed in MLB?  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12354088 PhiPsi125 said:
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I don't know if he was or not. There's been rumors that teams didn't want him back in the game due to his antics going back years ago. Probably BS.
Well Alex Torres  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 3:45 pm : link
is still the biggest POS in our bullpen. lol
Lol, Collins' "lefty specialist" is shitting the bed against lefties  
PhiPsi125 : 7/2/2015 3:47 pm : link
again...and again...and again...and again (repeat)

Literally ANYBODY would be better against lefties. Good grief.
I get that being a badass is rare these days  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 3:49 pm : link
they make too much money. Same reason guys don't pitch inside or send messages, there is too much money at stake. Having said that, you need an internal policeman in the team, I don't know who that is? You need an identity, the Mets need someone that will slide hard to break up the DP and it can't be Steven Matz.
Breakdown of the Mets Hitters and Runs Scored  
NYG27 : 7/2/2015 3:50 pm : link
In the last 15 games, here are some breakdowns during a stretch where they have won 5 times (Mostly behind brilliant pitching) and lost 10 games.

- Last 15 games, Mets scored 24 runs
- Only 2 games, Mets scored more then 2 runs
- Subtract those two games and Mets have ONLY scored 13 runs in 13 games
- Mets have been shut out 4 times
- Mets have scored 1 run or less in 8 of last 15 games
Kershaw & Greinke  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 3:56 pm : link
will both throw complete game shutouts and Matz will win 2-1 on Sunday with him hitting a 2 run double
That plane ride to LA  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 4:06 pm : link
should be a morgue
RE: That plane ride to LA  
NYG27 : 7/2/2015 4:11 pm : link
In comment 12354147 Headhunter said:
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should be a morgue


Headhunter, on that plane trip west, I'd be hard for any of the Mets hitters to look the pitchers in the eye.
I'm expecting  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 4:18 pm : link
fist fights
RE: I'm expecting  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12354170 Headhunter said:
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fist fights


Just DO NOT punch an infected tooth.
Well deGrom punched a water cooler today  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 4:37 pm : link
I can see Harvey punching Tejada
If it got to that point, my money is on the Pitchers knocking the crap  
NYG27 : 7/2/2015 4:40 pm : link
out of the Hitters, including Duda. All our hitters seem to be too timid and wouldn't see to match up physically to the grit that most of our pitchers have.
I'm Thor  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 4:45 pm : link
I do a Doc Ellis ( he did it to the Reds)on the Dodgers, just keep on hitting everyone until the umps throw me out. I head to the dugout and stare down everyone on the defense
Our hitters  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 4:45 pm : link
Would swing and miss.
I'm here every Thursday folks
RE: Well deGrom punched a water cooler today  
speedywheels : 7/2/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12354207 Headhunter said:
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I can see Harvey punching Tejada


LOL...
Duda  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 4:47 pm : link
would apologize to them as the got to first, never mind
Watching Mets games recently I keep hearing ONLY the ending of  
NYG27 : 7/2/2015 4:50 pm : link
Take Me Out to the Ball Game jingle.

"For it's One, Two, Three strikes you're out.....at the old ball game!"
Serious question  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 4:52 pm : link
If a Met hit a ball over the wall in fair territory would he know what to do? If there were runners on base at the time, would they know what to do?
the poor brand of baseball is hard to watch  
Vanzetti : 7/2/2015 5:02 pm : link
guys don't covr bases or make routine plays. They don't have productive outs. They don't take the extra base.

Overall, they don't play intelligent baseball.

I can live with the growing pains with Flores, Plawecki and Herrera at the plate. But the lack of fundamentals and lack of fire is hard to take.

LOL....12 of next 15 games on the road  
NYG27 : 7/2/2015 5:02 pm : link
We've been incredibly lucky with this offense to still be at .500 (Mostly due to our 11 game win streak).

Although this upcoming 12 of 15 games on the road WILL NOT end well for us.

3 @ Dodgers
3 @ Giants
All Star Break
3 home against Arizona
3 @ Cardinals
3 @ Nationals

Those 5 teams are a combined 218-175. If the Mets win more then 5 games during that 15 game stretch, I would consider that a success.
Hopefully terry gets Willie'd during this west coast swing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/2/2015 5:04 pm : link
And yes, it's just a vanity move, but I'm sick of that guy.
RE: Serious question  
Vanzetti : 7/2/2015 5:04 pm : link
In comment 12354240 Headhunter said:
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If a Met hit a ball over the wall in fair territory would he know what to do? If there were runners on base at the time, would they know what to do?


Runners would probably tag up and get passed by the batter going into his homerun trot
Legit question has the team quit on Collins following...  
Torrag : 7/2/2015 5:06 pm : link
...his press conference fiasco last week? I'll understand if you ask which one...
I'd be happy going 6-9  
NYG27 : 7/2/2015 5:07 pm : link
Maybe a few breaks and possibly go 7-8 during that 15 game stretch.

Heaven forbid, we actually play above .500 ball and finish 8-7.
These game threads have taken a funny turn.  
PhiPsi125 : 7/2/2015 5:20 pm : link
From the short euphoria of victory early on...

To "it's just a cold streak, let's not freak out"...

To VIVID ANGER...

(then Gary finally shows up flashing the ban hammer...rightfully so)

And finally we are just so spent and beaten that we are just flat out mocking our own team...and I find this delusionally funny. And yes, I know delusionally isn't a word. Deal with it.
RE: Legit question has the team quit on Collins following...  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 5:34 pm : link
In comment 12354286 Torrag said:
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...his press conference fiasco last week? I'll understand if you ask which one...

Would it be the first time?
Sounds like it was another fun day in Metland  
Eric on Li : 7/2/2015 6:42 pm : link
It's getting pretty bad and Alderson looks worse and worse every day. I'm fine with dumping Collins. I'm fine dumping Tejada even without a good replacement. Neither has proven to be worthy of any future here. But at some point the mirror needs to reflect on the guy who hasn't made a single transaction through this epic tailspin, put those 2 in the positions that they are in and bears significant responsibility for the negative atmosphere of the the media that follows the team seemingly relishing this opportunity to attack. The pitching has been ELITE and this team still barely bobs around .500 because they can't simply field professionals who can consistently hustle and execute basic fundamentals - base running, sacrifice flys, bunting, defense, etc. This West Coast swing seems like it could be a real death knell for someone, can't imagine how bad things could get if the pitchers go through a mini-slump. It must be demoralizing to hang zeros on the board for 20 something innings in a series and still get swept.
Alderson  
steve in ky : 7/2/2015 6:53 pm : link
Was the perfect choice as the GM to be a good steward of the team when they were in a financial crisis. He also did a great job trading away some older guys and bringing rich rewards in return.

But it is starting to become apparent that he likely isn't the GM that can take the team to the next level.
Max Wotell our number 3 pick this year made his debut  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 6:59 pm : link
1 inning 3K's on 9 pitches. My quest is that better than 1 inning 3 pitches 3 outs?

Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League
Alderson & Collins  
arniefez : 7/2/2015 7:08 pm : link
are meaningless in the big picture. Just two scapegoats to vent about. There's no money. They're paying 6 guys 70 million and 19 guys 30 million. 20 of the 70 is Wright who has missed the entire season. You could have Branch Rickey & Earl Weaver running the team and they'd have the same record. Until the owners give the GM & Manager enough money to field a MLB roster this is what you're going to see.
RE: Max Wotell our number 3 pick this year made his debut  
Mike in NY : 7/2/2015 7:13 pm : link
In comment 12354434 Headhunter said:
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1 inning 3K's on 9 pitches. My quest is that better than 1 inning 3 pitches 3 outs?

Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League


Walter Rasquin also having a torrid start
LOLMets.  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2015 7:16 pm : link
It's amazing the way this franchise just settles for being fucking shitty time and time again.

I'm not asking for panic moves here but it's pretty obvious we are about to fall completely out of the division race within a week if nothing changes. And Alderson can't be bothered because he's got to take the dog out.
Walter Rasquin  
Headhunter : 7/2/2015 7:30 pm : link
is hitting an even .500
RE: Walter Rasquin  
Mike in NY : 7/2/2015 8:14 pm : link
In comment 12354474 Headhunter said:
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is hitting an even .500


Yep, the 1 for 3 today brought his average down
RE: Max Wotell our number 3 pick this year made his debut  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2015 8:15 pm : link
In comment 12354434 Headhunter said:
Quote:
1 inning 3K's on 9 pitches. My quest is that better than 1 inning 3 pitches 3 outs?

Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League


in the majors once he's established himself then maybe I'd prefer 3 pitches 3 outs, but you need to earn that. For now, blow guys away, 9 pitches 3 k's ties a record. I'll take it.
RE: Max Wotell our number 3 pick this year made his debut  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 9:27 pm : link
In comment 12354434 Headhunter said:
Quote:
1 inning 3K's on 9 pitches. My quest is that better than 1 inning 3 pitches 3 outs?

Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30 AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League


Was a couple more than 9 pitches, but equally impressive debut for the kid.

Ali Sanchez, no clue if he ever makes it not, but mature wayyyy beyond his years on the field.


Ali Sanchez?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/2/2015 9:34 pm : link
That's quite a multicultural combo. Haven't heard of that one before.
Pool money trade with Angels  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 9:35 pm : link
Should be official by now. No clue which slot they got though, and it was for a non prospect from Mets. Mets needed about 1/4mm to avoid IFA penalty.
Somebody's back.  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 9:54 pm : link
Gabriel Ynoa: 9IP, 1H, 0ER, 0BB, 6K
RE: Pool money trade with Angels  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2015 9:57 pm : link
In comment 12354691 Shecky said:
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Should be official by now. No clue which slot they got though, and it was for a non prospect from Mets. Mets needed about 1/4mm to avoid IFA penalty.


Slot 90. They received 239,400
Thanks Z  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 10:17 pm : link
Didn't think they'd get so much, thought I heard they might need to make more than one trade.
Ifa slot money has got to be BY FAR the most undervalued asset available in trades.
RE: Max Wotell our number 3 pick this year made his debut  
Shecky : 7/2/2015 11:05 pm : link
In comment 12354434 Headhunter said:
Quote:
1 inning 3K's on 9 pitches. My quest is that better than 1 inning 3 pitches 3 outs?

Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League


szapucki Our #4 is once again supposed to debut tomorrow as well.
aaghhhh  
sshin05 : 7/2/2015 11:20 pm : link
i wish this was a mets story
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I  
sshin05 : 7/2/2015 11:27 pm : link
fully blame the Wilpons. No money means you can't get into a bid for a good player. It means you can't re-sign some of your good players to long lucrative contracts. It means you always have to act like a small market team and look for market inefficiencies to exploit (hard to do). It means you have to forgo bonefide true offensive players because you can't afford them. It means you can't make a lopsided trade so you can give up little and take a huge contract for a good/elite hitter.

Alderson may find this challenging and fun but not for me.
Can anyone explain why the Wilpons won't sell the Mets?  
Phil in Joisey : 7/3/2015 12:05 am : link
They are among the most despised people in all of New York.
They're in financial difficulty.
They certainly can't be having fun.
They can't face the media or the public.
They'd get booed anywhere they showed their faces.
Why not sell.......
They could get about a billion dollars.
Their financial woes would be over.
They'd be rich beyond belief.
They would be carefree.
No one would despise them, in fact no one would give a shit about them any more.
They could show their faces in public.
They could enjoy life. Hell Fred is in his mid-70's, what is he waiting for? Does he intend to take the team into his grave with him?
I'm pretty sure the Wilpons are still rich beyond belief.  
PhiPsi125 : 7/3/2015 12:36 am : link
They probably don't give a shit what fans feel about them.
Owning a baseball team is like a status symbol.
They have no reason to sell the team.

They had no problem spending money on the team when they were using the play money from Madoff. Now that the Madoff giving tree is gone, they certainly do t want to part with their own, real money. I mean, they chose to spend far less to change the dimensions of the park...twice...rather than to spend the money to sign the players that can actually hit in CitiField. That tells you all you need to know.
Fred has a son who already runs half the team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2015 7:20 am : link
He won't be taking the team to the grave with him.

Jeff might run it into the grave right next to his though,
There is one reason Fred will never sell  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 7:24 am : link
that is Jeff. He wants to make sure Jeff has something to do and stay as far away from his & Katz's thriving Sterling Properties as possible.
What PhiPsi said  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/3/2015 8:19 am : link
Owning the Mets is the ultimate status symbol for Fred Wilpon and his family. And it's not like they never spent before - it's that Madoff changed their financial plan and approach. But Bud let them keep the team because making them sell would kill Fred.
What really scares me is the prospect of what Jeff will do to the team  
arcarsenal : 7/3/2015 8:22 am : link
...when Fred has passed on. I don't even love Fred but it's pretty obvious which of the two is the bigger dolt. If we think this is bad, it could get much worse.
Fred Wilpon is a dolt?  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 8:28 am : link
he's might be a lot of things, but a dolt is not one of them
RE: Can anyone explain why the Wilpons won't sell the Mets?  
Giants2012 : 7/3/2015 8:59 am : link
In comment 12354843 Phil in Joisey said:
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They are among the most despised people in all of New York.
They're in financial difficulty.
They certainly can't be having fun.
They can't face the media or the public.
They'd get booed anywhere they showed their faces.
Why not sell.......
They could get about a billion dollars.
Their financial woes would be over.
They'd be rich beyond belief.
They would be carefree.
No one would despise them, in fact no one would give a shit about them any more.
They could show their faces in public.
They could enjoy life. Hell Fred is in his mid-70's, what is he waiting for? Does he intend to take the team into his grave with him?


He is a developer and a fan of Jackie Robinson.

How does a developer make money? Cut me some slack, invest with me now and I'll pay you more money later. Need proof this is Fred Wilpon?

a. Why do people think Bud Selig was so generous with that bridge loan though MLB? People don't see he has a vested future interest behind the scenes? Didn't Bud Selig kinda urge or handpick Sandy Alderson to the Mets? How is Sandy doing?

B. Here is an easy one. Look at Bobby Bonilla's contract. Cut me some slack, invest with me now and I'll pay you more later.

C. Citi Field to Willets Point - Wilpon was awarded the land to build Citi Field. (Invest with me now, i'll pay you later). Actually building Citi Field was the prerequiste to be awarded Willetts Point. (Has he build Willetts point yet?) Nope, now he's waiting for the City to build him more on-off ramps to develop Willetts point. (Invest with me now, I'll pay you later)

D. The Mets; HE PUT IT IN PRINT!!!! He said, invest with me now and I'll pay you later by challenging the fans with the be a "True New Yorker" ad.

Back to the top of my post, he's a developer and fan of Jackie Robinson. Look at the main entrance to the stadium!!! It's Jackie Robinson, it's not even the Mets.

So why won't the Wilpons sell the Mets? B/c "cut me some slack, invest with me now and I'll pay you later" is in full swing. Fred's the real Maverick, it's just Sandy's book title. He'll get paid later too.




RE: LOL....12 of next 15 games on the road  
spike : 7/3/2015 9:08 am : link
In comment 12354278 NYG27 said:
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We've been incredibly lucky with this offense to still be at .500 (Mostly due to our 11 game win streak).

Although this upcoming 12 of 15 games on the road WILL NOT end well for us.

3 @ Dodgers
3 @ Giants
All Star Break
3 home against Arizona
3 @ Cardinals
3 @ Nationals

Those 5 teams are a combined 218-175. If the Mets win more then 5 games during that 15 game stretch, I would consider that a success.


the death spiral for the season is coming.
RE: What really scares me is the prospect of what Jeff will do to the team  
Shecky : 7/3/2015 9:38 am : link
In comment 12354979 arcarsenal said:
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...when Fred has passed on. I don't even love Fred but it's pretty obvious which of the two is the bigger dolt. If we think this is bad, it could get much worse.


Arc knows Wilpons ;)

To summarize, when asked why a certain pitcher wasn't on the team, "Jeff don't like him". That's with Alderson as GM. Frightening what happens when Fred and Sandy are no longer around. Terrifying.
RE: RE: LOL....12 of next 15 games on the road  
PhiPsi125 : 7/3/2015 10:05 am : link
In comment 12355012 spike said:
Quote:
In comment 12354278 NYG27 said:


Quote:


We've been incredibly lucky with this offense to still be at .500 (Mostly due to our 11 game win streak).

Although this upcoming 12 of 15 games on the road WILL NOT end well for us.

3 @ Dodgers
3 @ Giants
All Star Break
3 home against Arizona
3 @ Cardinals
3 @ Nationals

Those 5 teams are a combined 218-175. If the Mets win more then 5 games during that 15 game stretch, I would consider that a success.



the death spiral for the season is coming.


We should all just resign to the fact that the season is over with this west coast trip. The time to salvage the season with a "shakeup" was yesterday...or actually a week ago. Wilpalderson will unfortunately make the change too late (if at all) and we'll waste another year...a year we could have actually made some noise. The Mets are the Knicks of baseball. Probably worse.

I mean, all those other teams that make changes earlier in the year must be doing in wrong, right? In the Sandy handbook it says that you can't make any moves before 7/31. Sigh...
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing  
Vanzetti : 7/3/2015 10:54 am : link
I don't know who said that but it certainly seems to apply to the Wilpns and Mets

Fred was a star pitcher in HS but unfortunately injured his arm at Michigan
Jeff was drafted as a minor league catcher, though he reportedly never got into a game
Jeff's son was drafted by the Red Sox last year

So, the Wilpons DO know something about baseball but that is part of the problem. That's what makes them meddle. It also leads to them hiring GMs and managers who will allow them to meddle. Neither Sandy or Collins is getting another job in baseball as a GM or manger, so they put up with interference from above. You think Brian Sabean or Joe Maddon would put up with this? No way. Because they don't have to because they would both have job offers galore if they quit.

If you look at the Mets past GMs and managers, most of them never got another GM or managerial position. Or if they did, they were complete failures. Nobody wants to come work for the Wilpons except guys who don't have any other offers.
An overly optimistic mets fan  
Shecky : 7/3/2015 11:30 am : link
Against all logic. Against all sane thought. Against all fan sentiment. Call me an idiot or an over optimistic Mets fan.

But

I say they come back from this west coast trip a lot less negative than they leave it. Just a hunch. They come back 500 and it could be the turning point we were looking for. As opposed to the end of the 2015 Mets.
I partially agree Shecky- the pitching is too good for a July collapse  
Eric on Li : 7/3/2015 11:54 am : link
and they've found ways to bounce back when things got negative earlier in the season. But that doesn't change the fact that the every day lineup has been exposed for the joke it is and getting guys back healthy will only do so much. Murphy came back, is hitting like he never left, and they still can't score. There's no difference maker here and to deploy the "depth of the lineup" strategy you can't start 3+ guys who are AAA players (at best).

Until Alderson does something with this roster to actually shake things up, show accountability, and show commitment to winning being the #1 priority I feel we are going to be stuck in this same endless cycle. Get excited by amazing pitching and the hope that the lineup "can only get better" and "only needs to be average" then come crashing down to reality that of the every day players on the active roster half of them are AAA players. What evidence do we have that they even care to upgrade Mayberry, Cecilliani, Monnell, Campbell, and Tejada? Where is the accountability on those guys?

And re: the Wilpons, Fred was a respected guy whose heart was always in the right place. A little meddling, sure, but he was a good guy who was successful and people liked. Jeff is a d-bag who pisses off everyone who has to deal with him. Go back and read Nelson Doubleday's quotes about him and I can tell you for a fact they are corroborated 10x over. Fred has a blindspot to his kid, like a lot of father's, and it's been a terrible hinderance to this franchise. Just like the Madoff mess.
I don't blame him for not selling  
steve in ky : 7/3/2015 12:03 pm : link
They obviously love owning the team, why should they sell? To satisfy some fans?
IMO  
Giants2012 : 7/3/2015 12:05 pm : link
you won't find too many online fans who accept or understand the Wilpon enterprise as one in the same including the Mets rather than separate like most every sports owner.
What is the trade  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 12:21 pm : link
Alderson hasn't made? I am frustrated by the offense and it is painful to watch but I'm asking myself what trade is out there that Alderson could make but hasn't? I come up empty. We all want him to do something, but who do get that is available? Who do we give up? To make a move to satisfy the back pages of the tabloids that costs too much will piss me off more than standing pat. Help me out, what is the move I am not seeing?
HH  
Shecky : 7/3/2015 12:28 pm : link
I hear the argument that "no trade is available". But why not pick up a 4th OF? Or backup infielder? A Minor league for minor league shot in the dark? Why not pick up someone DFAd? Not a superstar, but why not fill out the rest of the roster? The border? Saying nothing was available is fine. But for years?
RE: What is the trade  
BigBlueShock : 7/3/2015 12:30 pm : link
In comment 12355199 Headhunter said:
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Alderson hasn't made? I am frustrated by the offense and it is painful to watch but I'm asking myself what trade is out there that Alderson could make but hasn't? I come up empty. We all want him to do something, but who do get that is available? Who do we give up? To make a move to satisfy the back pages of the tabloids that costs too much will piss me off more than standing pat. Help me out, what is the move I am not seeing?

Not a Mets fan, but how on earth would any poster on BBI know what players are available? We like to think that we know, or that some idiot in the media has knowledge of every situation, but it's simply not the case most of the time.

But I do have a hard time believing that Sandy doesn't have a million trades that he could make if he were willing to give up a young arm or two. I understand that Mets fans want to keep every one of them, but that's a different topic than saying Sandy doesn't have options to improve the team.
I didnt say no trade is available  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 1:59 pm : link
I did ask what is the trade that Sandy hasn't made that he could of made that he doesn't have to overpay? If there was that kind of trade to be made, why didn't he make it?
I agree with both points  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 2:45 pm : link
While I agree with Shecky that there likely are small ancillary moves out their to be made, I don't think those moves show up in the win column right now. Sure our offense is rock bottom right now, but a couple weeks ago guys like Ciciliani were hitting so outside of fringe players like him...

what this team really needs is about 6 starters right now.

Murphy and Granderson are the only players we can count on right now and we only just got Murphy back.

Who's out there thats going to change this? Who's out there worth trading Matz or Syndergaard for?

We need a multitude of things to happen for this offense to get turned around.

TDA and Wright need to return. Duda, Cuddyer, and Flores need to come out of their MASSIVE slumps. Some of the younger players like Reynolds, Herrera, Plawecki need to make the next adjustment and offer some sort of depth. Then yes.... if most of those things happen, maybe you add a piece at the deadline. But adding one piece right now without the rest literally will do nothing and its not worth trading away our dream rotation for.
I gonna get grief  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 2:57 pm : link
but I'd try to ride the hit bat of Kirk. He can't be worse than Campbell or Mayberry. I expect once he gets too many AB's he'll revert to form, but he is hitting the cover off the ball right now, so why not?
hot bat  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 2:57 pm : link
.
I'm not trading those 2  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 3:00 pm : link
but the scouts have to love Meisner and Fulmer and if they are really good at their jobs there are guys in the lower minors that have huge upsides. There are deals to be done without touching those 5 pitchers and you know who I mean, 1 is recovering TJ
RE: I gonna get grief  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 3:16 pm : link
In comment 12355330 Headhunter said:
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but I'd try to ride the hit bat of Kirk. He can't be worse than Campbell or Mayberry. I expect once he gets too many AB's he'll revert to form, but he is hitting the cover off the ball right now, so why not?


Kirk is on fire. And I don't believe Vegas is this magical place where terrible hitters suddenly become awesome. Sure you can't buy the power numbers translating but Herrera is clearly still struggling since his demotion and we've seen examples of this many times. Id bring Kirk up again as well.
I mean I understand  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 3:19 pm : link
The concerns about AB's for Herrera when he was first called up being blocked by Tejada, but Campbell and Mayberry?
And to be clear...  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 3:20 pm : link
I am not saying that there isn't a stark difference between AAA and MLB, there absolutely is. But I do think players that have experienced major league success can re-find their stroke there. See TDA, Flores, and others as an example last year.
Kirk is IMO a AAAA player  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 3:24 pm : link
I know if he plays too much he will revert to his norm. But, he is on fire, you try to catch lightening in a bottle for a couple of weeks
I don't know what Kirk is.  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 3:27 pm : link
Ive pointed out he's been solid over entire seasons. Kind of tough to say he sucks after a rotten 6 weeks after years of being successful but even I agreed he had to go at that point. He was killing us. He is literally on fire now.
And we are talking about as a 4th  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 3:28 pm : link
outfielder, spot fill in guy, I presume.
Anybody else pissed  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 3:33 pm : link
Leathersich was left in to throw 57 pitches the other night and was immediately placed on the DL a day later. WTF?
4th OF spot starter  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 3:36 pm : link
I know 1 idiot on this site is going to claim I viewed Kirk as the savior in a couple of weeks. Also I would try for a game or 2 to put the names in a hat and make the lineup that way
RE: I agree with both points  
PhiPsi125 : 7/3/2015 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12355317 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
While I agree with Shecky that there likely are small ancillary moves out their to be made, I don't think those moves show up in the win column right now. Sure our offense is rock bottom right now, but a couple weeks ago guys like Ciciliani were hitting so outside of fringe players like him...

what this team really needs is about 6 starters right now.

Murphy and Granderson are the only players we can count on right now and we only just got Murphy back.

Who's out there thats going to change this? Who's out there worth trading Matz or Syndergaard for?

We need a multitude of things to happen for this offense to get turned around.

TDA and Wright need to return. Duda, Cuddyer, and Flores need to come out of their MASSIVE slumps. Some of the younger players like Reynolds, Herrera, Plawecki need to make the next adjustment and offer some sort of depth. Then yes.... if most of those things happen, maybe you add a piece at the deadline. But adding one piece right now without the rest literally will do nothing and its not worth trading away our dream rotation for.


Not for nothing, but I bet that adding De Aza would have shown up in the win column. That would have been a small move that the mets absolutely could have made. De Aza has 16 RBIs in 23 games since going to BOS. And it wouldn't have taken much to get him at all.

There are plenty of ways to improve the team. Most other baseball teams seem to understand that. But let's wait until July 31st to see if we can get some healthy players back. I mean, we may be out of the race by then but at least we'll have the injury prone players DW and TdA back for a short while before the are on the DL again. Complete lack of attention to this season. More of the same. More of the same.
I posted this a week ago.  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 4:00 pm : link
There have been two significant trades made in the 2 wild card era between April-June and one of them was for EYJ. Teams just aren't ready to part with pieces at all until they know they are absolutely out of it. Congrats to Boston for finding the needle in the haystack that has been the exception to the rule. Now that July just started I do expect there to be more activity however.
.  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 4:03 pm : link
if we were told that after 82 games we were sitting at .500 3 1/2 games back of the Nats 2 games behind in the Wild Card, I'd would have taken it. The reality is we may not sniff .500 after this road trip, but if they do hang around and get back some prices and make a move it could still be a fun season
Mets plane to LA landed in Detroit  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 4:14 pm : link
Howie Rose got sick enough to force them to divert. Get well soon Howie
one of my all time favorite Met related personalities
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 7/3/2015 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12355379 Headhunter said:
Quote:
if we were told that after 82 games we were sitting at .500 3 1/2 games back of the Nats 2 games behind in the Wild Card, I'd would have taken it. The reality is we may not sniff .500 after this road trip, but if they do hang around and get back some prices and make a move it could still be a fun season


You keep saying stuff like this and, while i get what you are saying, it really isn't relevant. It's a superficial statement. And I don't mean that as a dig at all.

It has no bearing on how we are playing, how other teams are playing, etc. So, after 92 games if we are 10 games behind the Nats and 9 games behind the WC, will you feel the same way?

Yes, it's great that they are 3.5 games behind the Nats. Reality is that the Nats have become the juggernaut they were pegged to be while the Mets are spiraling into irrelevancy, quickly. Somehow, it makes the "only being 3.5 games behind the Nats" mean absolutely nothing.
I understand and agree with you Psi  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 4:48 pm : link
it's just a rationalization on my part, the reality is they have been a bad ball club since April and the trending arrow is point straight down. I'm grasping, I know it
Ok, good...I just reread my post and it sounded weird and  
PhiPsi125 : 7/3/2015 4:52 pm : link
didn't want to come across as a jerk. I get what you are saying and I can appreciate the positive outlook.

It could always be worse, right?

How about in an extreme bizarro-world type of situation, the bats suddenly start to come alive and we rip through this west coast trip! I like the sound of that.
Eh...  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 4:54 pm : link
I try not to get too high and low. We aren't the team that started out 13-3 and we aren't this bad either. We are probably somewhere in between. As much as Ive bashed Duda, Cuddyer, and Flores they probably do come out of their horrific slumps at some point. We likely do get a couple pieces back and we realistically could still make a run say in August or so.

I keep reminding myself that this was an 87 win team by my own predictions which means we likely missed the playoffs from the beginning and I was the most optimistic person here. The pitching is here. The lineup has been a mess. We can't fix everything thats plaguing this team right now with a trade. We just can't.
Anybody think  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 4:58 pm : link
if we cloned Curtis Granderson right now and had his bat in LF and RF we are suddenly World Series contenders? Even playoff contenders? And Granderson is just about better than any bat even remotely rumored to be available at the deadline this year.

If guys like Duda don't pull their heads out of their asses we are sunk regardless.
Z  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 4:59 pm : link
I agree that there are too many fundamental infrastructure flaws that can't be fixed in 1 or 2 moves.
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 5:08 pm : link
In comment 12355427 Headhunter said:
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I agree that there are too many fundamental infrastructure flaws that can't be fixed in 1 or 2 moves.


Thats the thing. This lineup was going to be successful in my mind because of its length. We didn't have those difference makers in the middle of the lineup(except for Duda) but I thought with 7-8 solid professional hitters we could work around slumps, ect. Well everything has gone to shit starting with the injuries. Turning 7-8 to 3-4 put us at a huge disadvantage since jump street. Combine that with slumps and guys underperforming and its understandable why our lineup has been so pathetic. You can't score with one or two guys. If things are going to turn around certain players have to come out of their slumps, key players have to return, and some of the young guys have to step up. If some of those things happen, then sure, make a play for Upton or something but its foolish now.
Call me insane...  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 5:21 pm : link
but I still think a post all-star team that looks something like...

Granderson
Murphy
Wright
Duda
TDA
Cuddyer/Conforto
Flores
Lagares

Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Niese

Mejia, Familia

Can win some games.
I don't like the defense & lack of team speed  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 5:27 pm : link
I don't like the lack of aggressiveness by the Manager who seems to be playing for his job and makes everyone tense with his dumb comments at times. They are like Knicks in being poorly constructed with top heavy pitching and severely lacking in all other aspects of the game. With everyone healthy and playing to their norms they are an OK offense not a great offense, but with their pitching they don't need a great offense. They should shut Lagares down and fix his elbow. They should get rid of Tejada Campbell and Mayberry yesterday. Replace them with Reynolds Castellano(?) and Kirk. Make a trade for a SS or Outfielder that can hit and can run
Apparently  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 5:31 pm : link
on MLB radio Jim Duquette said that the Mets were discussing a Zobrist for Montero trade but the holdup was Montero's injury and him not being able to prove he is healthy right now.

Id make that trade in a heartbeat.
Shift Flores back to SS  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 5:33 pm : link
and let Zobrist/Murphy play 3B and 2B until Wright returns.
RE: I don't like the defense & lack of team speed  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 5:37 pm : link
In comment 12355448 Headhunter said:
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I don't like the lack of aggressiveness by the Manager who seems to be playing for his job and makes everyone tense with his dumb comments at times. They are like Knicks in being poorly constructed with top heavy pitching and severely lacking in all other aspects of the game. With everyone healthy and playing to their norms they are an OK offense not a great offense, but with their pitching they don't need a great offense. They should shut Lagares down and fix his elbow. They should get rid of Tejada Campbell and Mayberry yesterday. Replace them with Reynolds Castellano(?) and Kirk. Make a trade for a SS or Outfielder that can hit and can run


I agree with all of this. Somebody like Castellanos should have been up over Cambell months ago. He's been damn good in AAA this year. DFA Cambell. Who cares about his 40 spot. Ceciliani has gone cold so swap him with Kirk. Ride the hot hand. I maintain Tejada is fine as a backup middle infielder but he should NEVER be starting as he is always exposed. If the time comes where Tejada has to start because there are no other options its time to call up Renolds or Tovar.
The problem with Tejada is the same as Kirk  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 5:48 pm : link
you can't use them as starters for more than 1 game in a row. Tejada has had enough opportunities to grab hold of the job and he plays well for a week then goes back to being who he really is. Kirk is recycled garbage, but he is hot, see if it transfers, if it doesn't what do you have to lose?
You lose nothing  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2015 5:51 pm : link
but I disagree they are the same. Tejada has been given years and years to prove himself and has only proven that he sucks. Kirk has been given numerous chances and has only proven he can produce in limited opportunities until his rotten start to this year in a pinch hitting role to boot.

And to be clear again. Nobody's saying Kirk is this great talent, but he was a very nice 4th outfielder last year and could be that again.
David Wright at the stadium will address the media  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 6:53 pm : link
Sandy Alderson will also be available to the media
when will  
spike : 7/3/2015 6:54 pm : link
we see Alex Castellanos?
Can't watch right now...please post updates on what DW  
PhiPsi125 : 7/3/2015 6:55 pm : link
says if possible. Thanks!
RE: Can't watch right now...please post updates on what DW  
spike : 7/3/2015 6:56 pm : link
In comment 12355504 PhiPsi125 said:
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says if possible. Thanks!


agreed. I refuse to let the Mets ruin my holiday weekend.
The 'no moves' thing is one of the more frustrating arguments IMO  
Eric on Li : 7/3/2015 7:27 pm : link
Like the 2 guys above said (Phi and BB I think) 1. We have no idea what has or hasn't been proposed, surely there are dozens of things discussed for every 1 thing that actually happens and 2. it's not like he needed to add stars, good role players would have been a major help. Sandy supposedly turned down Uribe for Gee right before he went to ATL, add him and the OF who went to Boston and give them all the ABs that have gone to Ceciliani, Herrera, Cambell, Muno,

I thought Zobrist would have been a great add in the offseason and I continue to think so now. Gomez would also be great. But beyond the 1 "bullet" deal Sandy's willing to "overpay" for, I'd love to see him gamble on a few solid vets to replace the AAA guys currently filling the depth roles. Sometimes even the guys with terrible stats have something in the tank, like Chris Young last year with the Yankees. We couldn't dump him fast enough and then he went across town hit .280 and posted a 146wRC+ and contributed 1 full WAR.
DW & SA to meet with the press at 9:00  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 8:08 pm : link
I'll be out or I'd transcribe
Missed trade opportunities  
Shecky : 7/3/2015 8:24 pm : link
From what I understand, there was a trade close last year, but the other GM got annoyed waiting and pulled the plug. Just one example of Aldersons patience hurting him, and one for the "I wonder if a potential trade existed" crowd.
RE: RE: What really scares me is the prospect of what Jeff will do to the team  
NyquistX3 : 7/3/2015 8:25 pm : link
In comment 12355028 Shecky said:
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In comment 12354979 arcarsenal said:


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...when Fred has passed on. I don't even love Fred but it's pretty obvious which of the two is the bigger dolt. If we think this is bad, it could get much worse.



Arc knows Wilpons ;)

To summarize, when asked why a certain pitcher wasn't on the team, "Jeff don't like him". That's with Alderson as GM. Frightening what happens when Fred and Sandy are no longer around. Terrifying.


Wait, Sandy wanted a pitcher and Jeff Wilpon didn't like the pitcher so he overruled him? Who is running the show behind closed doors?
Let's play, Guess What Wright Says  
Shecky : 7/3/2015 8:43 pm : link
"I feel great, progress, I'll be back. Just don't know when. Have to be patient and listen to the doctors."

Seriously - is there anything other than that? It's a fluff conference, so won't be anything negative.
...  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 9:04 pm : link
#VoteBartolo ‏@jeffpaternostro 2h2 hours ago
Meisner: Tall and fall, 88-93, soft curve at 73-78 that he casts a bit, change 79-80, struggling with release point so far.
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 9:05 pm : link
Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 34m34 minutes ago
David Wright "very confident" he will play this season, and play at a high level.
..  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 9:06 pm : link
@MetsGM says #DavidWright is feeling more positive but the team is not expecting him back at a certain date.
RE: ..  
spike : 7/3/2015 9:12 pm : link
In comment 12355606 DanMetroMan said:
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@MetsGM says #DavidWright is feeling more positive but the team is not expecting him back at a certain date.


thanks Dan. More fluff.
NO certain comeback date for DW
And shecky for the win  
PhiPsi125 : 7/3/2015 9:15 pm : link
Even their press conferences suck.

#beingametsfansucks
I just count this as a lost season  
spike : 7/3/2015 10:00 pm : link
but the first year of ML experience for Syndergaard and Matz, Harvey working his way back from TJ, Degrom getting even better in his sophomore season. Plus, Familia turned out to be a stud closer and Parnell is looking surprisingly good from TJ recovery. Our bullpen has been fairly reliable.

Too bad the non-pitching roster is toast.
when is Tovar coming up?  
spike : 7/3/2015 10:01 pm : link
If we aren't going to hit anyways, why not get the best defensive infielder on the ML team?
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