Everyone brace themselves, cover yourself with a mattress, stand in a door frame. Here comes the big shakeup we all heard about last night!!!
Talk about a shakeup:. LONG LIVE TERRY COLLINS!!!!
Granderson
Ceciliani
Murphy
Duda
Flores
Campbell
Monell
deGrom
Tejada
Shecky, exactly how is this Collins' fault? which prime time bat is he not playing today? HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. NOT ONE LEGIT MAJOR LEAGUE BAT. Blame Alderson and ownership.
Also, you do understand that Collins (nor any manager) does not have free rein to run the team as he sees fit under the Alderson/Beane model, right? The manager is viewed as "middle management", there to execute what he is told by the GM.
"Jobu, if you don't help me now, I say fuck you Jobu"
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Blaming the manager for the terrible offense and sub-par defense, I don't get it. Murpy and Tejada have no baseball sense, Flores can't do anything lately, Duda forgot how to hit, etc.
That said, I'd probably can him, shake things up. Easier to fire the manager than the squad.
and Guerrero was ranked number 6, right? Nice! I'm choosing to focus on this positive and not our embarrassing lack of offense/triple A position players.
same ol story same ol NY METS...my friends
I'm laughing..seriously.
He doubles off the wall, other guys can't get it out of the infield.
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I would find it very hard to believe that Sandy is doing nothing with all this outside pressure. It would be a really bad look if that was the case.
If I start seeing other teams make moves while we are still standing by idly, then I will start pointing fingers at Sandy.
The Mets could probably have Tulo at SS if they were willing to trade off one of these pitchers.
I'm not saying they should, but strictly saying that there are always deals to be made if they're willing to pay up in prospects or absorb salary.
They're not willing to.
The worst thing would be to trade one off for a temporary bandaid that likely only mildly helps us. If players like Duda don't come out of it and we don't get a couple guys back from the DL like TDA and Wright this team isn't going anywhere anyway. Might as well keep the stud pitching and reload in the offseason.
xxxx avg slg OPS+
Home .325 .563 116
Away .276 .466 84
Add in his ridiculous contract and it spells A-V-O-I-D
Wheeler will be back and we'll still send four studs to the mound out of five next season. I'm thinking long term with the understanding that David Wright can no longer be 'the man' for this club.
The player acquired would be expensive though so the 'don't trade any pitchers' crowd can calm down as the Wilponsis will never go for it.
The worst thing would be to trade one off for a temporary bandaid that likely only mildly helps us. If players like Duda don't come out of it and we don't get a couple guys back from the DL like TDA and Wright this team isn't going anywhere anyway. Might as well keep the stud pitching and reload in the offseason.
Agreed. There's no reason for a panic move at this juncture and unless a potential move is centered around Niese, Gee or Colon it likely isn't worth it.
Wheeler will be back and we'll still send four studs to the mound out of five next season. I'm thinking long term with the understanding that David Wright can no longer be 'the man' for this club.
The player acquired would be expensive though so the 'don't trade any pitchers' crowd can calm down as the Wilponsis will never go for it.
That's a copout. Sandy should know because thats his job?? You don't have a single solution but he should? There are no solutions. There's only a handful of elite hitters in the game and they aren't available. The second tier guys aren't worth it and some like Upton will be available in the offseason anyway.
Sadly, thats the reputation Cuddyer had. Reynolds seems like he might be a gritty player. I agree with your premise though.
BINGO
Couple weeks ago when they struck out in 9th inning all by looking at strike 3 pitches Cuddyer came out and said ,"hey thats baseball". Pussy attitude approach.
Lol. Ok so continue bitching about moves that should be made that you have zero solutions for. Thanks.
Daily meltdown? Do you even post here? Seriously. You show up once a year to offer gems like...
"I'm not immersed in the business of baseball to build a winning team." That's Sandy's job apparently.... Yet you come here to tell us how to run a business of baseball and to build a winning team...lol.
Thanks for your awesome input.
There is a huge lack of personality in baseball. And it goes all e way down the ladder. It's become too "professional" in High School and stays that way. There are some personalities out there, but few and far between. It has become a very bland game which makes it difficult to promote.
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"bad boys" around baseball? lol. I can't even really think of any right now. Bryce Harper might be the biggest but thats not happening obviously.
There is a huge lack of personality in baseball. And it goes all e way down the ladder. It's become too "professional" in High School and stays that way. There are some personalities out there, but few and far between. It has become a very bland game which makes it difficult to promote.
I agree with this. I also think with hitting reaching all time lows theres a lot less confidence. There's no more Barry Bonds anymore who just knew they could beat you. Maybe somebody like Stanton or Harper comes close to that but league wide its terrible.
I agree. I mean, it's worth a shot. Collins was never a part of the long term plan and he has absolutely lost this team...again....and again. But I just don't have any faith in sandy doing anything. And he'll use the excuse of "not wanting to make a panic move" to do nothing. Not every move needs to be a panic move. But the culture in this place needs to change. One "firey" player isn't going to do it. What's the worst that can happen? If backman doesn't work out than you get a new manager in the offseason anyway. But Alderson doesn't make moves unless they are safe moves...so i don't expect any shakeups.
This team looks bad but they have more talent than what they are showing. And sandy is wasting time. If they shit the bed on this next road trip than the season is over anyway, so what's the point? Make the change now, before it gets worse. So maybe you can salvage the season. I really don't know what they are waiting for.
Ugh, not this again. Here;s an idea - how about the hitters adjust?? The reason why shifts started in the first place is because certain players were hitting the ball in the roughly the same spot every time. So the defense shifted to cover those spots, and guess what? The players kept hitting in the same spots.
If they simply hit the ball the other way, they would get a base hit (probably a double). Every. Single. Time. And if they did that, the defense would have to shift back.
And yes, they can do it if they wanted to. They ARE Major League hitters, after all. You don't get to the Majors without being able to hit the ball to all fields...
Im pretty sure Sandy would get rid of Collins. He apparently was about to last offseason.
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Eliminate extreme defensive shifts. It's a far less invasive way to infuse some offense than altering the strike zone or the pitchers mound.
Ugh, not this again. Here;s an idea - how about the hitters adjust?? The reason why shifts started in the first place is because certain players were hitting the ball in the roughly the same spot every time. So the defense shifted to cover those spots, and guess what? The players kept hitting in the same spots.
If they simply hit the ball the other way, they would get a base hit (probably a double). Every. Single. Time. And if they did that, the defense would have to shift back.
And yes, they can do it if they wanted to. They ARE Major League hitters, after all. You don't get to the Majors without being able to hit the ball to all fields...
Agree. Hitters are going to be trained to use all fields again instead of trying to jack everything.
I like Bing a lot. 3 first round picks. Fulmer has been awesome. Yon has been better. Lugo is interesting. Akeel Morris in the pen.
St. Lucie has some talent. Sucks Urena has been out so long.
lol. Yup. Never expected it would fall apart to these levels. So many injuries(TDA, Wright, Murphy), so many players not stepping up when called upon(Flores, Herrera, Plawecki,), and so many players underperforming (Duda, Cuddyer, ect.)
Just a mess.
Sorry, didn't mean to come off as attacking you. The game was tilted towards the offense for so long, I guess I don't mind that it has swung the other way. The fields still favor the hitters - most are bandboxes - so they need to adjust to this seemingly excellent crops of pitchers (yes, some of them look good because they hitting sucks, but most are the ones making the hitters look terrible)...
I don't know if he was or not. There's been rumors that teams didn't want him back in the game due to his antics going back years ago. Probably BS.
Literally ANYBODY would be better against lefties. Good grief.
- Last 15 games, Mets scored 24 runs
- Only 2 games, Mets scored more then 2 runs
- Subtract those two games and Mets have ONLY scored 13 runs in 13 games
- Mets have been shut out 4 times
- Mets have scored 1 run or less in 8 of last 15 games
Headhunter, on that plane trip west, I'd be hard for any of the Mets hitters to look the pitchers in the eye.
Just DO NOT punch an infected tooth.
I'm here every Thursday folks
LOL...
"For it's One, Two, Three strikes you're out.....at the old ball game!"
Overall, they don't play intelligent baseball.
I can live with the growing pains with Flores, Plawecki and Herrera at the plate. But the lack of fundamentals and lack of fire is hard to take.
Although this upcoming 12 of 15 games on the road WILL NOT end well for us.
3 @ Dodgers
3 @ Giants
All Star Break
3 home against Arizona
3 @ Cardinals
3 @ Nationals
Those 5 teams are a combined 218-175. If the Mets win more then 5 games during that 15 game stretch, I would consider that a success.
Runners would probably tag up and get passed by the batter going into his homerun trot
Heaven forbid, we actually play above .500 ball and finish 8-7.
To "it's just a cold streak, let's not freak out"...
To VIVID ANGER...
(then Gary finally shows up flashing the ban hammer...rightfully so)
And finally we are just so spent and beaten that we are just flat out mocking our own team...and I find this delusionally funny. And yes, I know delusionally isn't a word. Deal with it.
Would it be the first time?
But it is starting to become apparent that he likely isn't the GM that can take the team to the next level.
Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League
Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League
Walter Rasquin also having a torrid start
I'm not asking for panic moves here but it's pretty obvious we are about to fall completely out of the division race within a week if nothing changes. And Alderson can't be bothered because he's got to take the dog out.
Yep, the 1 for 3 today brought his average down
Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League
in the majors once he's established himself then maybe I'd prefer 3 pitches 3 outs, but you need to earn that. For now, blow guys away, 9 pitches 3 k's ties a record. I'll take it.
Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30 AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League
Was a couple more than 9 pitches, but equally impressive debut for the kid.
Ali Sanchez, no clue if he ever makes it not, but mature wayyyy beyond his years on the field.
Slot 90. They received 239,400
Ifa slot money has got to be BY FAR the most undervalued asset available in trades.
Anibel Sanchez the Catcher is now hitting .520 close to 30AB's is pretty ridiculous even in Little League
szapucki Our #4 is once again supposed to debut tomorrow as well.
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Alderson may find this challenging and fun but not for me.
They're in financial difficulty.
They certainly can't be having fun.
They can't face the media or the public.
They'd get booed anywhere they showed their faces.
Why not sell.......
They could get about a billion dollars.
Their financial woes would be over.
They'd be rich beyond belief.
They would be carefree.
No one would despise them, in fact no one would give a shit about them any more.
They could show their faces in public.
They could enjoy life. Hell Fred is in his mid-70's, what is he waiting for? Does he intend to take the team into his grave with him?
Owning a baseball team is like a status symbol.
They have no reason to sell the team.
They had no problem spending money on the team when they were using the play money from Madoff. Now that the Madoff giving tree is gone, they certainly do t want to part with their own, real money. I mean, they chose to spend far less to change the dimensions of the park...twice...rather than to spend the money to sign the players that can actually hit in CitiField. That tells you all you need to know.
Jeff might run it into the grave right next to his though,
They're in financial difficulty.
They certainly can't be having fun.
They can't face the media or the public.
They'd get booed anywhere they showed their faces.
Why not sell.......
They could get about a billion dollars.
Their financial woes would be over.
They'd be rich beyond belief.
They would be carefree.
No one would despise them, in fact no one would give a shit about them any more.
They could show their faces in public.
They could enjoy life. Hell Fred is in his mid-70's, what is he waiting for? Does he intend to take the team into his grave with him?
He is a developer and a fan of Jackie Robinson.
How does a developer make money? Cut me some slack, invest with me now and I'll pay you more money later. Need proof this is Fred Wilpon?
a. Why do people think Bud Selig was so generous with that bridge loan though MLB? People don't see he has a vested future interest behind the scenes? Didn't Bud Selig kinda urge or handpick Sandy Alderson to the Mets? How is Sandy doing?
B. Here is an easy one. Look at Bobby Bonilla's contract. Cut me some slack, invest with me now and I'll pay you more later.
C. Citi Field to Willets Point - Wilpon was awarded the land to build Citi Field. (Invest with me now, i'll pay you later). Actually building Citi Field was the prerequiste to be awarded Willetts Point. (Has he build Willetts point yet?) Nope, now he's waiting for the City to build him more on-off ramps to develop Willetts point. (Invest with me now, I'll pay you later)
D. The Mets; HE PUT IT IN PRINT!!!! He said, invest with me now and I'll pay you later by challenging the fans with the be a "True New Yorker" ad.
Back to the top of my post, he's a developer and fan of Jackie Robinson. Look at the main entrance to the stadium!!! It's Jackie Robinson, it's not even the Mets.
So why won't the Wilpons sell the Mets? B/c "cut me some slack, invest with me now and I'll pay you later" is in full swing. Fred's the real Maverick, it's just Sandy's book title. He'll get paid later too.
Although this upcoming 12 of 15 games on the road WILL NOT end well for us.
3 @ Dodgers
3 @ Giants
All Star Break
3 home against Arizona
3 @ Cardinals
3 @ Nationals
Those 5 teams are a combined 218-175. If the Mets win more then 5 games during that 15 game stretch, I would consider that a success.
the death spiral for the season is coming.
Arc knows Wilpons ;)
To summarize, when asked why a certain pitcher wasn't on the team, "Jeff don't like him". That's with Alderson as GM. Frightening what happens when Fred and Sandy are no longer around. Terrifying.
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We've been incredibly lucky with this offense to still be at .500 (Mostly due to our 11 game win streak).
Although this upcoming 12 of 15 games on the road WILL NOT end well for us.
3 @ Dodgers
3 @ Giants
All Star Break
3 home against Arizona
3 @ Cardinals
3 @ Nationals
Those 5 teams are a combined 218-175. If the Mets win more then 5 games during that 15 game stretch, I would consider that a success.
the death spiral for the season is coming.
We should all just resign to the fact that the season is over with this west coast trip. The time to salvage the season with a "shakeup" was yesterday...or actually a week ago. Wilpalderson will unfortunately make the change too late (if at all) and we'll waste another year...a year we could have actually made some noise. The Mets are the Knicks of baseball. Probably worse.
I mean, all those other teams that make changes earlier in the year must be doing in wrong, right? In the Sandy handbook it says that you can't make any moves before 7/31. Sigh...
Fred was a star pitcher in HS but unfortunately injured his arm at Michigan
Jeff was drafted as a minor league catcher, though he reportedly never got into a game
Jeff's son was drafted by the Red Sox last year
So, the Wilpons DO know something about baseball but that is part of the problem. That's what makes them meddle. It also leads to them hiring GMs and managers who will allow them to meddle. Neither Sandy or Collins is getting another job in baseball as a GM or manger, so they put up with interference from above. You think Brian Sabean or Joe Maddon would put up with this? No way. Because they don't have to because they would both have job offers galore if they quit.
If you look at the Mets past GMs and managers, most of them never got another GM or managerial position. Or if they did, they were complete failures. Nobody wants to come work for the Wilpons except guys who don't have any other offers.
But
I say they come back from this west coast trip a lot less negative than they leave it. Just a hunch. They come back 500 and it could be the turning point we were looking for. As opposed to the end of the 2015 Mets.
Until Alderson does something with this roster to actually shake things up, show accountability, and show commitment to winning being the #1 priority I feel we are going to be stuck in this same endless cycle. Get excited by amazing pitching and the hope that the lineup "can only get better" and "only needs to be average" then come crashing down to reality that of the every day players on the active roster half of them are AAA players. What evidence do we have that they even care to upgrade Mayberry, Cecilliani, Monnell, Campbell, and Tejada? Where is the accountability on those guys?
And re: the Wilpons, Fred was a respected guy whose heart was always in the right place. A little meddling, sure, but he was a good guy who was successful and people liked. Jeff is a d-bag who pisses off everyone who has to deal with him. Go back and read Nelson Doubleday's quotes about him and I can tell you for a fact they are corroborated 10x over. Fred has a blindspot to his kid, like a lot of father's, and it's been a terrible hinderance to this franchise. Just like the Madoff mess.
Not a Mets fan, but how on earth would any poster on BBI know what players are available? We like to think that we know, or that some idiot in the media has knowledge of every situation, but it's simply not the case most of the time.
But I do have a hard time believing that Sandy doesn't have a million trades that he could make if he were willing to give up a young arm or two. I understand that Mets fans want to keep every one of them, but that's a different topic than saying Sandy doesn't have options to improve the team.
what this team really needs is about 6 starters right now.
Murphy and Granderson are the only players we can count on right now and we only just got Murphy back.
Who's out there thats going to change this? Who's out there worth trading Matz or Syndergaard for?
We need a multitude of things to happen for this offense to get turned around.
TDA and Wright need to return. Duda, Cuddyer, and Flores need to come out of their MASSIVE slumps. Some of the younger players like Reynolds, Herrera, Plawecki need to make the next adjustment and offer some sort of depth. Then yes.... if most of those things happen, maybe you add a piece at the deadline. But adding one piece right now without the rest literally will do nothing and its not worth trading away our dream rotation for.
Kirk is on fire. And I don't believe Vegas is this magical place where terrible hitters suddenly become awesome. Sure you can't buy the power numbers translating but Herrera is clearly still struggling since his demotion and we've seen examples of this many times. Id bring Kirk up again as well.
what this team really needs is about 6 starters right now.
Murphy and Granderson are the only players we can count on right now and we only just got Murphy back.
Who's out there thats going to change this? Who's out there worth trading Matz or Syndergaard for?
We need a multitude of things to happen for this offense to get turned around.
TDA and Wright need to return. Duda, Cuddyer, and Flores need to come out of their MASSIVE slumps. Some of the younger players like Reynolds, Herrera, Plawecki need to make the next adjustment and offer some sort of depth. Then yes.... if most of those things happen, maybe you add a piece at the deadline. But adding one piece right now without the rest literally will do nothing and its not worth trading away our dream rotation for.
Not for nothing, but I bet that adding De Aza would have shown up in the win column. That would have been a small move that the mets absolutely could have made. De Aza has 16 RBIs in 23 games since going to BOS. And it wouldn't have taken much to get him at all.
There are plenty of ways to improve the team. Most other baseball teams seem to understand that. But let's wait until July 31st to see if we can get some healthy players back. I mean, we may be out of the race by then but at least we'll have the injury prone players DW and TdA back for a short while before the are on the DL again. Complete lack of attention to this season. More of the same. More of the same.
one of my all time favorite Met related personalities
You keep saying stuff like this and, while i get what you are saying, it really isn't relevant. It's a superficial statement. And I don't mean that as a dig at all.
It has no bearing on how we are playing, how other teams are playing, etc. So, after 92 games if we are 10 games behind the Nats and 9 games behind the WC, will you feel the same way?
Yes, it's great that they are 3.5 games behind the Nats. Reality is that the Nats have become the juggernaut they were pegged to be while the Mets are spiraling into irrelevancy, quickly. Somehow, it makes the "only being 3.5 games behind the Nats" mean absolutely nothing.
It could always be worse, right?
How about in an extreme bizarro-world type of situation, the bats suddenly start to come alive and we rip through this west coast trip! I like the sound of that.
I keep reminding myself that this was an 87 win team by my own predictions which means we likely missed the playoffs from the beginning and I was the most optimistic person here. The pitching is here. The lineup has been a mess. We can't fix everything thats plaguing this team right now with a trade. We just can't.
If guys like Duda don't pull their heads out of their asses we are sunk regardless.
Thats the thing. This lineup was going to be successful in my mind because of its length. We didn't have those difference makers in the middle of the lineup(except for Duda) but I thought with 7-8 solid professional hitters we could work around slumps, ect. Well everything has gone to shit starting with the injuries. Turning 7-8 to 3-4 put us at a huge disadvantage since jump street. Combine that with slumps and guys underperforming and its understandable why our lineup has been so pathetic. You can't score with one or two guys. If things are going to turn around certain players have to come out of their slumps, key players have to return, and some of the young guys have to step up. If some of those things happen, then sure, make a play for Upton or something but its foolish now.
Granderson
Murphy
Wright
Duda
TDA
Cuddyer/Conforto
Flores
Lagares
Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Niese
Mejia, Familia
Can win some games.
Id make that trade in a heartbeat.
I agree with all of this. Somebody like Castellanos should have been up over Cambell months ago. He's been damn good in AAA this year. DFA Cambell. Who cares about his 40 spot. Ceciliani has gone cold so swap him with Kirk. Ride the hot hand. I maintain Tejada is fine as a backup middle infielder but he should NEVER be starting as he is always exposed. If the time comes where Tejada has to start because there are no other options its time to call up Renolds or Tovar.
And to be clear again. Nobody's saying Kirk is this great talent, but he was a very nice 4th outfielder last year and could be that again.
agreed. I refuse to let the Mets ruin my holiday weekend.
I thought Zobrist would have been a great add in the offseason and I continue to think so now. Gomez would also be great. But beyond the 1 "bullet" deal Sandy's willing to "overpay" for, I'd love to see him gamble on a few solid vets to replace the AAA guys currently filling the depth roles. Sometimes even the guys with terrible stats have something in the tank, like Chris Young last year with the Yankees. We couldn't dump him fast enough and then he went across town hit .280 and posted a 146wRC+ and contributed 1 full WAR.
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...when Fred has passed on. I don't even love Fred but it's pretty obvious which of the two is the bigger dolt. If we think this is bad, it could get much worse.
Arc knows Wilpons ;)
To summarize, when asked why a certain pitcher wasn't on the team, "Jeff don't like him". That's with Alderson as GM. Frightening what happens when Fred and Sandy are no longer around. Terrifying.
Wait, Sandy wanted a pitcher and Jeff Wilpon didn't like the pitcher so he overruled him? Who is running the show behind closed doors?
Seriously - is there anything other than that? It's a fluff conference, so won't be anything negative.
Meisner: Tall and fall, 88-93, soft curve at 73-78 that he casts a bit, change 79-80, struggling with release point so far.
David Wright "very confident" he will play this season, and play at a high level.
thanks Dan. More fluff.
NO certain comeback date for DW
#beingametsfansucks
Too bad the non-pitching roster is toast.