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NFT: Jim Webb just announced

Bill L : 7/2/2015 2:14 pm
I might could accept that if the Republican was someone like Christie or Trump or Santorum or Pataki.
translation?  
giants#1 : 7/2/2015 2:38 pm : link
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Biggest fraud in American politics  
Greg from LI : 7/2/2015 2:42 pm : link
Which is saying something
RE: Biggest fraud in American politics  
dep026 : 7/2/2015 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12353886 Greg from LI said:
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Which is saying something


Whoa. I dont know much about him and I know he is from your state, but that bad?
He likes to portray himself as some kind of maverick independent  
Greg from LI : 7/2/2015 2:48 pm : link
But he's almost entirely an off-the-rack Dem no different than the Chuck Schumers of the world. There are worse politicians but none phonier.

Good on the 2a though, I'll give h that much.
I don't mind Webb...  
Dunedin81 : 7/2/2015 2:50 pm : link
Greg is right, his voting record is more garden variety Democrat than he lets on, but he has a very respectable CV. He has a short attention span though, he'd come in all piss and vinegar and run out of crusades by year three.
A long time ago I read the book "The Long Gray Line"  
Bill L : 7/2/2015 2:56 pm : link
(fascinating book) that chronicled the lives of some of the West Point class of 1966. Some of those people were instrumental in getting the Vietnam Memorial. Webb, who was not part of the class, figures prominently in the book. I hadn't known how bitterly controversial the design was and Webb was among the opponents, I believe.
here it is !  
giantfan2000 : 7/2/2015 3:54 pm : link
we now have 5 candidates on Democratic side

Clinton
OMalley
Webb
Chafee
Sanders

and 16 candidates on the Republican Side

BUSH
CRUZ
PAUL
RUBIO
CARSON
FIORINA
HUCKABEE
SANTORUM
PATAKI
GRAHAM
PERRY
TRUMP
JINDAL
CHRISTIE
WALKER
KASICH

RE: Biggest fraud in American politics  
FJ : 7/2/2015 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12353886 Greg from LI said:
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Which is saying something


Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."
His Navy Cross citation for actions on 7/10/1969  
Deej : 7/2/2015 4:35 pm : link
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The Navy Cross is presented to James H. Webb, Jr., First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam. On July 10, 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb's platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex that appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade that detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search that yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.


Cant wait for the Swiftboaters for Truth to tell me what really happened.
RE: I don't mind Webb...  
AcidTest : 7/2/2015 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12353914 Dunedin81 said:
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Greg is right, his voting record is more garden variety Democrat than he lets on, but he has a very respectable CV. He has a short attention span though, he'd come in all piss and vinegar and run out of crusades by year three.


All true, but I'd take him over anybody else in either party right now. I'd like to see Huntsman run, but that isn't going to happen.
My favorite...  
Mike From Brielle : 7/2/2015 6:31 pm : link
book of Webb's is Fields of Fire. Depending on what Republican he was running against I might vote for him. I would vote for Christie because of what he did to stop currupt local towns on the shore going after middle class homes and families via crooked schemes like eminent domain and other things like that. Christie I understand is not loved by the WSJ probably because of this unlike Corzine who was an old Wall Street insider who the WSJ seemed to love.
Another thing...  
Mike From Brielle : 7/2/2015 6:34 pm : link
might be that if Hillary is forced to far to the left he might fill the bill as a conservative Southern Democrat for Vice President.
I can't cite specifics  
Pete in VA : 7/2/2015 6:56 pm : link
but my recollection is that he was the most conservative Democrat in the Senate when he was there. He comes across as kind of a dick. He has no charisma at all, and is kind of a hothead, imo.
RE: I can't cite specifics  
Chris in Philly : 7/2/2015 7:09 pm : link
In comment 12354432 Pete in VA said:
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but my recollection is that he was the most conservative Democrat in the Senate when he was there. He comes across as kind of a dick. He has no charisma at all, and is kind of a hothead, imo.


Sounds like Greg!

Heh.
Greg's a Democrat?  
Bill L : 7/2/2015 7:14 pm : link
I liked him too :(
RE: RE: Biggest fraud in American politics  
RC02XX : 7/2/2015 7:22 pm : link
In comment 12354175 FJ said:
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In comment 12353886 Greg from LI said:


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Which is saying something



Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."


FJ...what school?
RE: I can't cite specifics  
RC02XX : 7/2/2015 7:31 pm : link
In comment 12354432 Pete in VA said:
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but my recollection is that he was the most conservative Democrat in the Senate when he was there. He comes across as kind of a dick. He has no charisma at all, and is kind of a hothead, imo.


It's actually pretty funny that you mention his lack of charisma. He has a long history with Oliver North, an almost polar opposite of Webb in personality (although another decorated Marine officer like Webb), as North is pretty damn charismatic. It started back during their time at the Naval Academy and then continued into their time during the Iran Contra Affair and beyond. There is a great book about their relationship (among other interesting stories of those involved in the Iran Contra Affair) titled The Nightingale's Song by Robert Timberg. It also includes stories about John McCain.

And yes, Webb was a great (abet an asshole) Marine officer but not such a great politician and not the most likable guy during his post Marine career. He does write great books though...A Sense of Honor being another after A Fields of Fire.
I like Huntsman.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2015 7:44 pm : link
Kind of Republican I'd even pull for secretly.
Isn't that huntsman doing the cancer charity?  
Bill L : 7/2/2015 7:48 pm : link
Or someone by the same name? If the former, he's doing more honorable work now.
RE: I like Huntsman.  
Ira : 7/2/2015 7:52 pm : link
In comment 12354499 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Kind of Republican I'd even pull for secretly.


He seems more like a straight shooter than the average pol. He's also pretty smart.
Anybody but  
GFL in WV : 7/2/2015 11:04 pm : link
The Witch.
RE: Biggest fraud in American politics  
NYDCBlue : 7/3/2015 12:55 am : link
In comment 12353886 Greg from LI said:
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Which is saying something


Who, Webb? Was living in VA at the time and voted for him. Had a lot of reservations at the time. He went on to make me EXTREMELY proud of my vote. His values seem to be properly aligned. He is way more conservative than I am, but I like him.
RE: He likes to portray himself as some kind of maverick independent  
NYDCBlue : 7/3/2015 1:00 am : link
In comment 12353907 Greg from LI said:
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But he's almost entirely an off-the-rack Dem no different than the Chuck Schumers of the world. There are worse politicians but none phonier.

Good on the 2a though, I'll give h that much.


LOL. I guess you are going to say I made your point for you... :)
Has he gotten to Phoenix yet  
SomeFan : 7/3/2015 2:41 am : link
?
question  
Hilary : 7/3/2015 6:52 am : link
Did he get the medal of honor for flying into Bosnia under fierce gunfire?

Was he allowed to wipe his server clean?
I am not 100% sure about this  
Bill L : 7/3/2015 7:54 am : link
but I know that he was a Vietnam-era serviceman, so if he were to say that he was under fire somewhere, I would believe him.
But I wouldn't believe  
SomeFan : 7/3/2015 8:01 am : link
Hilary
Webb is an interesting candidate  
bc4life : 7/3/2015 8:03 am : link
His warning about the Iraq invasion (based on NY Times article today) seems to be fairly accurate.

Phoney? _ I don't whether that's accurate or not.

His views on immigration seem thoughtful and realistic.

He's a long shot, but Hillary is vulnerable.
RE: I like Huntsman.  
Mike in NY : 7/3/2015 8:22 am : link
In comment 12354499 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Kind of Republican I'd even pull for secretly.


Me too, but he does not pander to the base to get the $$$ and there are those that don't like that he agreed to work in the Obama administration. We are unfortunately at a time where ideological purity and rigid adherence to dogma is seen as better than taking good ideas whomever and wherever they come from
HRC might be vulnerable (who isn't?)  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 8:23 am : link
But Jim Webb is not going to be the one who beats her.

If men like Biden, Gore, Kerry, or a woman like Warren got in, they'd be much more realistic options.
RE: Isn't that huntsman doing the cancer charity?  
njm : 7/3/2015 8:34 am : link
In comment 12354505 Bill L said:
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Or someone by the same name? If the former, he's doing more honorable work now.


I believe that's his father. Various family members have donated more than $100 million over the years.
RE: RE: I like Huntsman.  
njm : 7/3/2015 8:37 am : link
In comment 12354980 Mike in NY said:
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Kind of Republican I'd even pull for secretly.



Me too, but he does not pander to the base to get the $$$ and there are those that don't like that he agreed to work in the Obama administration. We are unfortunately at a time where ideological purity and rigid adherence to dogma is seen as better than taking good ideas whomever and wherever they come from


"Amen" - Joe Lieberman
Warren's appeal  
bc4life : 7/3/2015 8:53 am : link
may in part be due to the fact that she isn't running. Once she steps into the fray, the warts surface and the enthusiasm might wane.

I don't think Webb will win, but, at a quick glance, his positions on the issues seem to be reasonable.

Biden too big a mouth and too close to Obama. Kerry - that ship has sailed and nothing he has done since then will bring it back into the harbor.
RE: HRC might be vulnerable (who isn't?)  
giants#1 : 7/3/2015 8:58 am : link
In comment 12354983 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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But Jim Webb is not going to be the one who beats her.

If men like Biden, Gore, Kerry, or a woman like Warren got in, they'd be much more realistic options.


Biden and Kerry aren't beating hrc. Gore, maybe but I doubt he'd get back into politics.

I think Warren would steal it like Obama, but I'm guessing HRC/Warren have some sort of agreement to keep Warren from running. Hopefully for Warren, she's not pulling a "Christie" and missing her chance.
IMO, Warren would also be too far to the left  
bc4life : 7/3/2015 9:07 am : link
to win a in general election.

There is no way in hell Fauxcahontas would ever win a national electio  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2015 10:28 am : link
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giants#1 - there were news stories, before Bernie Sanders announced  
Watson : 7/3/2015 12:18 pm : link
HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.
RE: giants#1 - there were news stories, before Bernie Sanders announced  
njm : 7/3/2015 12:40 pm : link
In comment 12355196 Watson said:
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HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.


I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.
RE: There is no way in hell Fauxcahontas would ever win a national electio  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12355084 Greg from LI said:
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She'd beat Jeb, who listed himself as Hispanic on a voter ID form.
RE: RE: giants#1 - there were news stories, before Bernie Sanders announced  
HomerJones45 : 7/3/2015 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12355213 njm said:
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HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.



I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.
More likely to keep her out. Hillary doesn't want some gadfly forcing her to move to the left to win primaries.

It's academic though. Wall Street detests Warren, and I don't think the professors and Hollywood have enough money to bankroll a run.
So surprising  
Deej : 7/3/2015 2:00 pm : link
Greg doesnt like any of the Dem candidates or potential candidate. How will they ever get his vote?
Soros and Steyer, combined with Hollywood do  
njm : 7/3/2015 2:01 pm : link
Add to that MoveOn, The Nation and other media outlets and she could have run a formidable candidacy.
Keep the money in mind  
HomerJones45 : 7/3/2015 2:07 pm : link
it's who can raise the cash to bankroll a run.

If you look at who could do that, both fields become very small.
RE: RE: giants#1 - there were news stories, before Bernie Sanders announced  
Watson : 7/3/2015 2:13 pm : link
In comment 12355213 njm said:
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In comment 12355196 Watson said:


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HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.



I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.


Sorry, didn't mean to imply there wasn't alot of speculation regarding this meeting because there was. What I posted made sense to me. Warren had already been trying to make it very clear - she had no interest in running.
RE: Soros and Steyer, combined with Hollywood do  
Deej : 7/3/2015 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12355275 njm said:
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Add to that MoveOn, The Nation and other media outlets and she could have run a formidable candidacy.


Dems need liberal Wall Street money to win nationally. Wall Street will not give to Elizabeth Warren, and in fact I suspect a lot of liberal Wall Streeters would donate to a non-crazy GOP nominee. Non-political types on WS will line up against her. Even the ones who secretly like her will not want to bankroll her for fear of reprisal on the street. If you're a to-do at JP Morgan, do you really want to be on the list of Warren donors that crosses Dimon's desk?
I agree she won't get Wall St. money  
njm : 7/3/2015 2:21 pm : link
Disagree that there isn't enough money elsewhere to fund a national campaign.

I could also see MSNBC, outside of Morning Joe, becoming campaign central for her.
RE: Soros and Steyer, combined with Hollywood do  
HomerJones45 : 7/3/2015 2:27 pm : link
In comment 12355275 njm said:
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Add to that MoveOn, The Nation and other media outlets and she could have run a formidable candidacy.
Not enough money. Besides Soros is raising money for Hilary.

And please do yourselves a favor and not buy any of these fairy tales about financing a campaign with small contributions.
Who said anyting about small contributions?  
njm : 7/3/2015 2:34 pm : link
Although I forgot to mention union money if Hillary doesn't take the stance they want on TPP.
RE: So surprising  
Bill L : 7/3/2015 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12355274 Deej said:
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Greg doesnt like any of the Dem candidates or potential candidate. How will they ever get his vote?

Mm..,,pot v kettle.

He's like one of... Um everyone here in that regard.
RE: Soros and Steyer, combined with Hollywood do  
buford : 7/3/2015 7:44 pm : link
In comment 12355275 njm said:
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Add to that MoveOn, The Nation and other media outlets and she could have run a formidable candidacy.


Soros is Ready for Hillary.
RE: Who said anyting about small contributions?  
HomerJones45 : 7/3/2015 7:49 pm : link
In comment 12355313 njm said:
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Although I forgot to mention union money if Hillary doesn't take the stance they want on TPP.
See where the unions land now that the knives are out for them. The unions may decide to go back to the Meany-Reuther strategy.
HRC is winning the nomination.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 7:54 pm : link
And she'll face Bush thankfully. I'd be worried about Rubio.
BTW.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 8:34 pm : link
90% of HRC's 45 million she raised was from people contributing $100 or less.

And this is from the Wall Street Journal, that liberal rag.
Barring something substantial  
bc4life : 7/4/2015 7:48 am : link
coming out of the EMail fiasco or an issue unknown at this time, it is really difficult to see how HRC would lose nomination.

At this point, I would be that Bush is her opponent. Things will come into focus better for the Republicans once the pretenders drop out. I am not so sure Walker will be as strong a candidate as some think. Seems to be a one issue (unions) candidate.
I think it'll come down to Bush & Rubio  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/4/2015 8:39 am : link
& whoever wins the FL primary will take the nomination.

Rubio scares me as a Democrat. He'd be a challenge.
RE: Biggest fraud in American politics  
trueblueinpw : 7/4/2015 10:54 am : link
In comment 12353886 Greg from LI said:
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Which is saying something


Huh? You're attacking *this* guy? Of all the lousy politicians in DC and Albany you get on this guy? If Webb isn't the most qualified and honest politician in the past 50 years, then who is? Seriously, if Webb is a fraud, name three other politicians who are running for President more qualified and with more honorable and distinguished service than Jim Webb. And what's more, if Webb is a "fraud", what fraudexactly are you alleging? Is there some Jim Webb ponzi scheme we're all unaware of?
Why does Rubio scare you?  
bc4life : 7/4/2015 11:24 am : link
???
Based on what I see right now  
bc4life : 7/4/2015 11:24 am : link
I'll probably back Webb,until he's eliminated.
RE: RE: RE: Biggest fraud in American politics  
FJ : 7/4/2015 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12354460 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12353886 Greg from LI said:


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Which is saying something



Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."



FJ...what school?

US Merchant Marine Academy (aka Kings Point)
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