Greg is right, his voting record is more garden variety Democrat than he lets on, but he has a very respectable CV. He has a short attention span though, he'd come in all piss and vinegar and run out of crusades by year three.
A long time ago I read the book "The Long Gray Line"
(fascinating book) that chronicled the lives of some of the West Point class of 1966. Some of those people were instrumental in getting the Vietnam Memorial. Webb, who was not part of the class, figures prominently in the book. I hadn't known how bitterly controversial the design was and Webb was among the opponents, I believe.
Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."
The Navy Cross is presented to James H. Webb, Jr., First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam. On July 10, 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb's platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex that appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade that detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search that yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.
Cant wait for the Swiftboaters for Truth to tell me what really happened.
Greg is right, his voting record is more garden variety Democrat than he lets on, but he has a very respectable CV. He has a short attention span though, he'd come in all piss and vinegar and run out of crusades by year three.
All true, but I'd take him over anybody else in either party right now. I'd like to see Huntsman run, but that isn't going to happen.
book of Webb's is Fields of Fire. Depending on what Republican he was running against I might vote for him. I would vote for Christie because of what he did to stop currupt local towns on the shore going after middle class homes and families via crooked schemes like eminent domain and other things like that. Christie I understand is not loved by the WSJ probably because of this unlike Corzine who was an old Wall Street insider who the WSJ seemed to love.
but my recollection is that he was the most conservative Democrat in the Senate when he was there. He comes across as kind of a dick. He has no charisma at all, and is kind of a hothead, imo.
but my recollection is that he was the most conservative Democrat in the Senate when he was there. He comes across as kind of a dick. He has no charisma at all, and is kind of a hothead, imo.
Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."
but my recollection is that he was the most conservative Democrat in the Senate when he was there. He comes across as kind of a dick. He has no charisma at all, and is kind of a hothead, imo.
It's actually pretty funny that you mention his lack of charisma. He has a long history with Oliver North, an almost polar opposite of Webb in personality (although another decorated Marine officer like Webb), as North is pretty damn charismatic. It started back during their time at the Naval Academy and then continued into their time during the Iran Contra Affair and beyond. There is a great book about their relationship (among other interesting stories of those involved in the Iran Contra Affair) titled The Nightingale's Song by Robert Timberg. It also includes stories about John McCain.
And yes, Webb was a great (abet an asshole) Marine officer but not such a great politician and not the most likable guy during his post Marine career. He does write great books though...A Sense of Honor being another after A Fields of Fire.
Who, Webb? Was living in VA at the time and voted for him. Had a lot of reservations at the time. He went on to make me EXTREMELY proud of my vote. His values seem to be properly aligned. He is way more conservative than I am, but I like him.
RE: He likes to portray himself as some kind of maverick independent
Me too, but he does not pander to the base to get the $$$ and there are those that don't like that he agreed to work in the Obama administration. We are unfortunately at a time where ideological purity and rigid adherence to dogma is seen as better than taking good ideas whomever and wherever they come from
Me too, but he does not pander to the base to get the $$$ and there are those that don't like that he agreed to work in the Obama administration. We are unfortunately at a time where ideological purity and rigid adherence to dogma is seen as better than taking good ideas whomever and wherever they come from
But Jim Webb is not going to be the one who beats her.
If men like Biden, Gore, Kerry, or a woman like Warren got in, they'd be much more realistic options.
Biden and Kerry aren't beating hrc. Gore, maybe but I doubt he'd get back into politics.
I think Warren would steal it like Obama, but I'm guessing HRC/Warren have some sort of agreement to keep Warren from running. Hopefully for Warren, she's not pulling a "Christie" and missing her chance.
HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.
RE: giants#1 - there were news stories, before Bernie Sanders announced
HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.
I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.
RE: There is no way in hell Fauxcahontas would ever win a national electio
HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.
I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.
More likely to keep her out. Hillary doesn't want some gadfly forcing her to move to the left to win primaries.
It's academic though. Wall Street detests Warren, and I don't think the professors and Hollywood have enough money to bankroll a run.
HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.
I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply there wasn't alot of speculation regarding this meeting because there was. What I posted made sense to me. Warren had already been trying to make it very clear - she had no interest in running.
Add to that MoveOn, The Nation and other media outlets and she could have run a formidable candidacy.
Dems need liberal Wall Street money to win nationally. Wall Street will not give to Elizabeth Warren, and in fact I suspect a lot of liberal Wall Streeters would donate to a non-crazy GOP nominee. Non-political types on WS will line up against her. Even the ones who secretly like her will not want to bankroll her for fear of reprisal on the street. If you're a to-do at JP Morgan, do you really want to be on the list of Warren donors that crosses Dimon's desk?
coming out of the EMail fiasco or an issue unknown at this time, it is really difficult to see how HRC would lose nomination.
At this point, I would be that Bush is her opponent. Things will come into focus better for the Republicans once the pretenders drop out. I am not so sure Walker will be as strong a candidate as some think. Seems to be a one issue (unions) candidate.
Huh? You're attacking *this* guy? Of all the lousy politicians in DC and Albany you get on this guy? If Webb isn't the most qualified and honest politician in the past 50 years, then who is? Seriously, if Webb is a fraud, name three other politicians who are running for President more qualified and with more honorable and distinguished service than Jim Webb. And what's more, if Webb is a "fraud", what fraudexactly are you alleging? Is there some Jim Webb ponzi scheme we're all unaware of?
Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."
Whoa. I dont know much about him and I know he is from your state, but that bad?
Good on the 2a though, I'll give h that much.
Clinton
OMalley
Webb
Chafee
Sanders
and 16 candidates on the Republican Side
BUSH
CRUZ
PAUL
RUBIO
CARSON
FIORINA
HUCKABEE
SANTORUM
PATAKI
GRAHAM
PERRY
TRUMP
JINDAL
CHRISTIE
WALKER
KASICH
Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."
Cant wait for the Swiftboaters for Truth to tell me what really happened.
All true, but I'd take him over anybody else in either party right now. I'd like to see Huntsman run, but that isn't going to happen.
Sounds like Greg!
Heh.
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Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."
FJ...what school?
It's actually pretty funny that you mention his lack of charisma. He has a long history with Oliver North, an almost polar opposite of Webb in personality (although another decorated Marine officer like Webb), as North is pretty damn charismatic. It started back during their time at the Naval Academy and then continued into their time during the Iran Contra Affair and beyond. There is a great book about their relationship (among other interesting stories of those involved in the Iran Contra Affair) titled The Nightingale's Song by Robert Timberg. It also includes stories about John McCain.
And yes, Webb was a great (abet an asshole) Marine officer but not such a great politician and not the most likable guy during his post Marine career. He does write great books though...A Sense of Honor being another after A Fields of Fire.
He seems more like a straight shooter than the average pol. He's also pretty smart.
Who, Webb? Was living in VA at the time and voted for him. Had a lot of reservations at the time. He went on to make me EXTREMELY proud of my vote. His values seem to be properly aligned. He is way more conservative than I am, but I like him.
Good on the 2a though, I'll give h that much.
LOL. I guess you are going to say I made your point for you... :)
Was he allowed to wipe his server clean?
Phoney? _ I don't whether that's accurate or not.
His views on immigration seem thoughtful and realistic.
He's a long shot, but Hillary is vulnerable.
Me too, but he does not pander to the base to get the $$$ and there are those that don't like that he agreed to work in the Obama administration. We are unfortunately at a time where ideological purity and rigid adherence to dogma is seen as better than taking good ideas whomever and wherever they come from
If men like Biden, Gore, Kerry, or a woman like Warren got in, they'd be much more realistic options.
I believe that's his father. Various family members have donated more than $100 million over the years.
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Kind of Republican I'd even pull for secretly.
Me too, but he does not pander to the base to get the $$$ and there are those that don't like that he agreed to work in the Obama administration. We are unfortunately at a time where ideological purity and rigid adherence to dogma is seen as better than taking good ideas whomever and wherever they come from
"Amen" - Joe Lieberman
I don't think Webb will win, but, at a quick glance, his positions on the issues seem to be reasonable.
Biden too big a mouth and too close to Obama. Kerry - that ship has sailed and nothing he has done since then will bring it back into the harbor.
If men like Biden, Gore, Kerry, or a woman like Warren got in, they'd be much more realistic options.
Biden and Kerry aren't beating hrc. Gore, maybe but I doubt he'd get back into politics.
I think Warren would steal it like Obama, but I'm guessing HRC/Warren have some sort of agreement to keep Warren from running. Hopefully for Warren, she's not pulling a "Christie" and missing her chance.
I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.
She'd beat Jeb, who listed himself as Hispanic on a voter ID form.
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HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.
I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.
It's academic though. Wall Street detests Warren, and I don't think the professors and Hollywood have enough money to bankroll a run.
If you look at who could do that, both fields become very small.
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HRC & Warren had met. However, reporters were speculating that HRC was trying to encourage her to run. Whereas it's problematic for the serious Republican candidates to have a cluttered field, it would be a problem to have no serious candidate to debate. What better person than someone who you could have a civilized debate with & has an interesting progressive message.
I read reports to the contrary, that the meeting was to see what kind of accommodation HRC could make to keep her out of the race. Let's be honest, Warren is the only potential Democratic candidate who could pull off what Obama did in the 2008 primaries. And Hillary's campaign stances thus far being more to the left than expected would be indicative of a deal.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply there wasn't alot of speculation regarding this meeting because there was. What I posted made sense to me. Warren had already been trying to make it very clear - she had no interest in running.
Dems need liberal Wall Street money to win nationally. Wall Street will not give to Elizabeth Warren, and in fact I suspect a lot of liberal Wall Streeters would donate to a non-crazy GOP nominee. Non-political types on WS will line up against her. Even the ones who secretly like her will not want to bankroll her for fear of reprisal on the street. If you're a to-do at JP Morgan, do you really want to be on the list of Warren donors that crosses Dimon's desk?
I could also see MSNBC, outside of Morning Joe, becoming campaign central for her.
And please do yourselves a favor and not buy any of these fairy tales about financing a campaign with small contributions.
Mm..,,pot v kettle.
He's like one of... Um everyone here in that regard.
Soros is Ready for Hillary.
And this is from the Wall Street Journal, that liberal rag.
At this point, I would be that Bush is her opponent. Things will come into focus better for the Republicans once the pretenders drop out. I am not so sure Walker will be as strong a candidate as some think. Seems to be a one issue (unions) candidate.
Rubio scares me as a Democrat. He'd be a challenge.
Huh? You're attacking *this* guy? Of all the lousy politicians in DC and Albany you get on this guy? If Webb isn't the most qualified and honest politician in the past 50 years, then who is? Seriously, if Webb is a fraud, name three other politicians who are running for President more qualified and with more honorable and distinguished service than Jim Webb. And what's more, if Webb is a "fraud", what fraudexactly are you alleging? Is there some Jim Webb ponzi scheme we're all unaware of?
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Which is saying something
Webb served less than a year as Secretary of the Navy before resigning, but in that time he managed to tarnish my graduation as the Commencment Speaker. As Ronald Reagan said of Webb, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."
FJ...what school?
US Merchant Marine Academy (aka Kings Point)