I've posted it before...I think a team that's posed to go after a SB is serverely compromised by the offensive line.
How much different woould we look for both the long term and short term if we were lining up two huge, young and very talented tackles.?
Something went on. I could see not risking a third round on a guy, but how the heck does the whole league shy away from investing a sixth or seventh rounder.
I've got to believe that teams sent our private investigators, information had to be out there that said the kid was innocent.
And even if there wasn't , the kids still got to be worth a seventh, I mean there's risk associated with any seventh pick.
I can't make sense of it. Again it's not just the Giants , the whole league passed on him.
If something came down from the Commissioner's office, why? And that's the point , why would the league ask teams to stay away and, if somehow they did , why did thirty two teams go along with it?
If there was mis- information about his guilt, why didn't the teams dig into it and come up with the seemingly obvious truth.
I can remember the Cowboys drafting Staubach realizing that he had four years pledged to the military, still they invested in the then kid.
Sorry, I can't find anything that accounts for this kid slipping through the draft. Even with strange unaccountable events I can find a reason - ill founded, senseless or otherwise. I can find no plausible rational here.
Would appreciate your input, would love to hear something that makes sense of this.
what went on? Arn't you a little curious.?
Today with only 7 rounds in the draft (there used to be a lot more) teams expect all their draft picks to at least make the practice squad. "Mr. Irrelevant" isn't irrelevant at all anymore. You can get a 7th-rounder on a cheap contract for years. If he overperforms his draft position, that's a big boon for the franchise.
I think the teams looked at their 7th-round picks as valuable assets, and saw La'el Collins as too big a risk for such an asset. UDFA is another story. Then you're only risking money.
I understand that line of thinking, but it's not strong enough. There was never compelling evidence linking him to the crime. And what are you risking if you throw a seventh rounder at him. What percentage of seventh rounders ever start, much less are impact players.
My feeling still is that something we don't know about was going on. Some mis information or some directive from the Comm. office accompanied by a threat.
Then the question becomes why? And why teams listened to it?
Gutless.
And now he's the only undrafted rookie allowed to attend the seminars the league holds to give the draftees the facts of pro life?
How is that consistent?
If he sits out a year, well that's a ton of money to walk away from and he's not going to get as much the following year....
Has anyone actually ever sat out a year? I know Elway threatened to do it and I quess Eli did too. Fact is, they didn't and I'm not sure it's ever happened.
Great Dane's point is that 7th round picks are more valuable today than in the past. I dunno, I don't see alot of seventh rounders significantly contributing. I'd risk a seventh rounder to get a kid with this much potential even if the odds of geting him were long. If his agent said he won't sign after the third, then I'd still bet he's sign for a fourth. then the equation becomes would you rather have this kid and his problem or whatever you took in the fourth round.
WeatherMan said: " this is a guy who until exonerated could not be touched."
NFL teams reguarly investigate prospects and go back to their crib days for goodness sake. There was time here, don't you think they'd get a Private Investigator on a plane or someone who knew the cops and could get the inside story.?
As it turns out there isn't a scrap linking him to the crime. Wouldn't that have shown up in any preliminary investigation?....
I read every post, not sure anyone found a reason that explains what happened.
If Collins was drafted in the 7th round his salary would have been slotted and he would be making less than he is now as a rookie FA. Agent might have had a point with sitting out and waiting for a higher round opportunity.
Gutless.
And now he's the only undrafted rookie allowed to attend the seminars the league holds to give the draftees the facts of pro life?
How is that consistent?
That was definitely inconsistent.
If Collins was drafted late in the draft and didn't sign, he could enter the 2016 draft which would have been great for Collins because he could clear his name and get 1st round money in 2016.
So a late round pick would, in effect, gives Collins a golden ticket into the 2016 draft, all he would have to do is to take a year off. It would be worth it to sit out and prep for 2016.
So a late round pick (4th or later) on Collins is a 100% certain to be a wasted pick.
^This. Also, didn't some team say the called in the 7th round to say they were gonna draft him and his Agent told them that would be a big mistake? So basically after the 3rd round the Agent was sabotaging any signing to get the better undrafted rookie free agent deal he wanted.
Thank you for fighting the good fight!
The crap about him not signing if drafted after the first round? Any team could have told him, they would renegotiate his contract after he signed....
How many players have held out for a year? And those that didn't play for a year(suspended, injury, etc.), how has that worked out for them?
Collins Agent warned everyone off and they believed him - and after the draft Collins wanted to stay close to home --- there's really nothing going on here --- other than it's off season and you guys have nothing better to do with your time -- get a grip!
At worst we would have lost a 7th..Boo-hoo..
I suspect that if his drop in the draft had been for a different reason, there would have been teams willing to take the chance. However, considering the statistics on murder of women, plus pregnant, plus gun used as weapon, your are getting into an area where the risk wasn't worth calling the bluff.
Then again, the Jummuh loves him some PR, and g_h_.
So the agent warned all the teams... yada yada yada. Every team believed him? No. Agents' warnings are not necessarily treated as gospel.
A 7th round investment for a guy rated as a 1st rounder? Nobody?
His reputation would be too easy to explain if he was later implicated. "Innocent until proven guilty" or something of the like.
And the silliest of all is that Jerry Jones is a genius. If he were smarter then everybody he would have used his 7th rounder. But he stayed away too.
No. All of that is BS. IMO Something stinks here.
So the agent warned all the teams... yada yada yada. Every team believed him? No. Agents' warnings are not necessarily treated as gospel.
A 7th round investment for a guy rated as a 1st rounder? Nobody?
His reputation would be too easy to explain if he was later implicated. "Innocent until proven guilty" or something of the like.
And the silliest of all is that Jerry Jones is a genius. If he were smarter then everybody he would have used his 7th rounder. But he stayed away too.
No. All of that is BS. IMO Something stinks here.
Jones will likely need a year to learn the nuances of the NFL but learn he will. Maybe by the end of camp we'll find we too got a steal. I believe Collins will be solid at OG but he's also a rookie so no telling how good he'll be until he learns the ropes.
Yet people who keep pining for La'el Collins don't seem to express any worry that had he landed with the Giants, he too would have been an inexperienced player on a unit that, if it's not functioning properly means no running game and no passing game.
I'd be more concerned with getting a veteran OT upgrade right now from upcoming cuts than I'd be worrying about a "me first" kid who reportedly didn't want to be drafted past the third round and who reportedly didn't want to play for a cold weather team.
Oh for those who think he was bluffing and would have been happy to land with any team, or that if he had been allowed to enter the supplemental draft the Giants could have had him, anyone remember what happened when the Giants drafted Gary Zimmerman in the supplemental draft?
You spend a first through third pick I. The supplemental draft that means you lose the corresponding pick in the following year's draft.
Was it really worth it to take that gamble knowing that Collins might have pulled the same power play Zimmerman did?
Happy 4th!
I suspect that if his drop in the draft had been for a different reason, there would have been teams willing to take the chance. However, considering the statistics on murder of women, plus pregnant, plus gun used as weapon, your are getting into an area where the risk wasn't worth calling the bluff.
Understood, but anything an Agent says or threatens can be divided by 20 imo..
And again, it's compelling because it's tough to understand how it could happen.
But of course, if you think it's redundant and bothers you one wonders why you read it and why you felt compelled to be critical....If it's of no import to you...that's fine.