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YAJ2112 : 7/3/2015 9:34 am
Stuck at work today and it's going to be a long, boring day. So let's talk FF.

Where are you drafting LeVeon Bell in a PPR league? He would have been the likely consensus #1 overall, if not for the 3 game suspension. Would you still take him in the first round or Top 5 even, knowing he's missing at least 3 games this season?

It's tempting to take him high still and just make sure you draft a couple of RBs that should be good early in the season (like a Tre Mason who should carry the load early until Gurley is ready). Even if you struggle early, as long as you still make the playoffs you'll have Bell at that point. Obviously the downside is that you could lose those first 3 games without your #1 pick, and if he misses any other games due to injury you might miss the playoffs entirely.

I would also say, that I'm not targeting Deangelo Williams if I do take Bell. Pittsburgh has 3 tough matchups (@NE, SF, @ STL) for the run in those first 3 games, and I don't think Deangelo is going to do a whole lot in those games.

Feel free to discuss Bell or any other FF topics.
I may be in the minority  
dep026 : 7/3/2015 10:01 am : link
but I am not drafting Bell in the first round. Three games is roughly 25% of your fantasy regular season, and those points are critical. Three weeks without him are huge. Also, he is coming off an injury and was used a lot last year. It wouldnt shock me when he returns, he is a borderline top 10 back. You need some type of production from your number 1 back.

Even if he does return to form, the chances of him outscoring guys like Charles, AP, Lacy, Lynch, and the slew of WRs are very minimal. I would probably rank my rbs in a PPR league like this:

Charles
AP
Lacy
Lynch
Foster
Forte
Bell
McCoy
Murray

So as my 6th RB, he would probably slip to round 2 as guys like Brown, Bryant, OBJ, Jones are possible first round targetrs in PPR. Even Rodgers/Luck will go in round 1 in my league since QBs are worth a little more.

Rbs are interesting this year since most teams dont have the bellcow like in years past. One guy I noticed slipping in a lot of draft is Hyde. I think he's a guy who can make or break a lot of teams this year. High risk/High reward.

And sign me up for being on the Brandon Cooks bandwagon. In PPR he is being drafted somewhere between 11-15. I think he cracks top 10 and gets near 100 catches if not more.
Better Question  
donnyfootball : 7/3/2015 10:01 am : link
How high in the draft are you willing to go and draft Odell to ensure that he is on your team?

I'm personally hoping for a back of the first round pick, and probably grab him in the first 2 rounds with Odell being the 2nd around pick ~14.
In PPR leagues Bell might be number one overall.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 10:05 am : link
I think AP is up there again. I know the Denver OL is a mess but CJ Anderson was awesome last year and with Kubiak there I only see that improving. He should be good value in the second. I have no idea what to make out of the Philly backfield. If the value is there I would draft Murray but I wouldnt overdraft him. Joseph Randle could be awesome value if he is the main guy in Dallas. Atlanta should have a much improved running game but who will be the guy? I'm staying away from from the Saints backs although Spiller could be a steal in the middle rounds. Jonathan Stewart if healthy could be a steal in the middle rounds too. Lacy is very solid but I would draft other guys over him in the first. I am staying far away from the backs in Detroit. They have way too many bodies. Forte is Forte. At some point he is going to hit a wall but as of now he is still a first round player in PPR leagues. Lynch is still a beast. Hyde has a golden opportunity but I am worried about that Niners team so Hyde would probably be a third round guy for me. Fisher and the Rams love to run the ball so Gurley is a must in keeper leagues. He's a big risk this year as is Mason but if you can get both players then that is huge. I'm staying away from the Arizona backs for one year leagues. However, I really like David Johnson there for the future. Ellington gets all the attention but the guy was a sixth round pick for a reason. He isn't an every down player. Johnson was a WR so a RB with his size that can run the whole route tree is impressive and intriguing.

In the AFC, I am staying away from Miami backs. They have too many to count. The winner could put up big numbers in that offense. I just don't want to guess wrong on the guy or have it be a time share. McCoy is McCoy. That offense has so many weapons but no QB and a questionable OL so I think McCoy will get overdrafted and I am not touching him in the first round. The Jets should be in the same position they have been in year's past so unless it is later in the draft I am not looking at their backs. NE is NE and I'm not playing that guessing game from week to week. Gore could be solid but he probably won't catch many passes and that OL is a mess. Fifth round might be the earliest I look at him. In Tennessee I can see Mariota helping out the RB. They should have a solid OL but is it going to be Sankey, Cobb or someone else. This would have to be a late round pick for me. I am not a big fan of Yeldon but he has a great opportunity. I would say fifth round at the earliest for me because of the downside but there is upside too. Foster is Foster but I think he should go where he was going last year which was the end of the second to early third. His touches will probably be limited so I'm cautious about him. Jeremy Hill was awesome as a rookie and should be a good play. This might be the best combo in the league as they want to run the ball and both Bernard and Hill should be starters every week depending on how good your roster is. I think they balance each other well and with the lack of true workhorses in today's NFL this would be a great combo to get on draft day. With Kubiak leaving Baltimore I am staying away from Forsett. They tried to give the job to a few other players last year but couldn't take it away from Forsett. I don't expect Forsett to hang onto the job all year long. They also got Tresman so it will be a different offense. I don't know how Forsett fits in. Jamaal Charles is still a first round pick. If you take him make sure you get Knile Davis later on as he has shown to be pretty solid. Melvin Gordon should be really good this year but figuring out when to take him is key. Latavius Murray is another guy that could explode too so if you can get him at the end of the second or beginning of the third then that should be a good spot for him.
I am taking Beckham as my top WR and easily in the first.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 10:09 am : link
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Much like Antonio Brown  
YAJ2112 : 7/3/2015 10:17 am : link
Bell was just so consistently productive last year that it makes him worth the risk, in my opinion.

Bell had 12 games with 5 or more catches last season. In the 4 games he didn't have at least 5 catches, he still scored 17.7, 14.5, 30.2, and 14.2 points. Getting a guaranteed 14+ points a game is tremendous value. Charles for example had 6 games out of 15 where he scored less than 14 last season.
Lynch and Lacy were both 6 out of 16 where they got under 14 as well  
YAJ2112 : 7/3/2015 10:20 am : link
so even if your Bell replacement gets less than 14 in each of those 3 weeks, you're still ahead of the other RBs unless Bell misses time for injury.
I forgot about Cleveland  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 10:24 am : link
Whoever gets the majority of the plays should be on your roster and possibly even starting. The problem is knowing who that was. Even from week to week nobody knew who was getting the touches. I thought Crowell was their best back last year but he rotated with West. This was after Tate was released. Now they drafted Duke Johnson who could be better than both. They want to get him lined up all over the field. Supposedly when Mack was healthy their run game was great. When he got hurt, not so much. I think their biggest problem will be QB. Teams will stack the box to stop the run until the QB shows they can beat them.
personally, I'm taking Brown over OBJ  
YAJ2112 : 7/3/2015 10:37 am : link
and possibly Dez as well. I'm a little concerned with the amount of targets OBJ will get with Cruz back and Vereen in the mix.
RE: personally, I'm taking Brown over OBJ  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12355094 YAJ2112 said:
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and possibly Dez as well. I'm a little concerned with the amount of targets OBJ will get with Cruz back and Vereen in the mix.


That's understandable but going by your same evaluation of week to week consistency I see Beckham as better than Dez. Brown is usually pretty good too but I don't have the numbers in front of me. I actually think Vereen and Cruz will help Beckham out. It is only natural that his targets go down but his production could go up. I think the Rams game made that clear to me. They were cheap shoting Beckham and somewhat holding him in check but it only took one or two plays for him to totally change that around. Beckham was moved all over the offense as a rookie to take advantage of his talent really because of necessity since we didn't really have anything else. If he could learn all that as a rookie and produce like he did will all the defensive attention then I don't see how he cannot improve this year. Maybe he doesn't have the crazy games he had last year but he should be consistent every week and I value that more, like you, then necessarily having the best numbers at the end of the year.
Brown was 20+ in 12 of his 16 games  
YAJ2112 : 7/3/2015 10:53 am : link
and had 16, 13.4, 18.8, and 15.4 in the other 4.

Fair point on Dez, he was under 14 in 6 of 16 last season and had another one where he was at 14.2. Plus he was bailed out in 3 games with short TDs when he only had a 2 or 3 catches. I think with Murray gone, his numbers will go up a bit but it's fair to put OBJ over him from the consistency standpoint.
So .5 PPR, I have pick 8 of 12  
kelsto811 : 7/3/2015 12:16 pm : link
I need to pick a keeper

We get 1 keeper, and I'm having difficulty making my decision (I have put this out there before)

I can get AP for my first rounder
I can get Leveon Bell for my 2nd
I can get Andrew Luck for my 3rd

After that...

Emmanuel Sanders 6th
Russel Wilson 7th
Mark Ingram 12th
Tre Mason 13th
Larry Donnell Undrafted

Would love to hear some opinions
Bell for a second is the best value imo  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 12:34 pm : link
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you're getting even value on AP  
YAJ2112 : 7/3/2015 1:44 pm : link
and about a round each for Bell and Luck.

Sanders and Ingram are probably about 3rd round picks, so by far Ingram is the best value. I'd probably still go Bell or Luck, as you aren't getting a player in either the 2nd or 3rd as good and the upside outweighs the value of Ingram for me.
Thanks for starting the thread...  
EricJ : 7/3/2015 1:56 pm : link
I need to get my head back into fantasy because the drafts will be here in a blink.

Regarding the RBs. I agree with Dep's top 4-5. Those are probably the only guys I would take in the first round. However, I think McCoy should probably move up a bit higher and Murray may get screwed by the game plan in Philly.

I will spend some time putting together the list of players I will NOT draft. Of course, I don't mean I would not draft these guys if they were available in the last round....but I am not drafting them where they will most likely be taken. A perfect example of this is Calvin Johnson. From a fantasy perspective, the guy is over rated. He will have a huge week and then nothing for two weeks. Then another big week and then hurt for another two weeks. In fantasy, you are better off with the guy who gives you a consistent 12 points each week vs 25 and then 3 the next.

The biggest question for me right now is QB. Who will this year's fantasy QB of the year be? Potentially Luck.
You may laugh....  
dep026 : 7/3/2015 2:15 pm : link
But the qb who you might get the best value for is eli. He's around the 12th qb selected. After a year he put up anywhere from the 6 to 7th best fantasy season. With another year in mcadoos offense and Cruz and vereen added.... I wouldn't be shocked if he ended top 5.
Robbie and Yaj  
kelsto811 : 7/3/2015 2:30 pm : link
I appreciate the input

RE: You may laugh....  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 2:37 pm : link
In comment 12355296 dep026 said:
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But the qb who you might get the best value for is eli. He's around the 12th qb selected. After a year he put up anywhere from the 6 to 7th best fantasy season. With another year in mcadoos offense and Cruz and vereen added.... I wouldn't be shocked if he ended top 5.


I totally agree. And here is another ... Tannehill. His OL should be better this year. His run game should be better. His defense should be better. Landry should improve. They drafted Parker. Look at his stats last year. I wouldn't gamble with him being my number one but if you can get him as a number two then that is a homerun. Look at how consistent he was last year.
I like forsett  
djm : 7/3/2015 8:14 pm : link
I wouldn't get crazy and draft him really high but he's gonna be a starting rb on a good offensive team in Baltimore. The Ravens signed him for three years and from all accounts love him. He's older but far from worn out and be can catch run and block. In other words he won't come off the field very often. Draft him. Just don't over draft him.
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