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NFT: Knicks Chat: Robin Lopez joins the squad!

DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:01 am
Jordan says the Knicks are out so...


Robin Lopez has committed to the Knicks and will sign with them unless DeAndre Jordan chooses the Knicks.
In other words, Lopez is on the Knicks. While Lopez won't come cheap, he is actually a very good fit with them. He ranked third in the NBA for offensive rebounds in the 2013-14 season, he doesn't have many fouling issues, he's been very healthy in his career and he'll have a low usage rate on offense, which Carmelo Anthony will like. Lopez did have a down year in 2014-15, but he could wind up being a mid-round guy in standard leagues next season.
Source: Marc Stein on Twitter Jul 2 - 11:24 PM
now that we have Robin  
Del Shofner : 7/3/2015 11:01 am : link
can we get Batman too?
Lopez  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:02 am : link
is a very nice addition depending on the price.
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 11:04 am : link
hoping for 2/10, but I'm braced for 3/39
What's the plan?  
Sean : 7/3/2015 11:04 am : link
Lopez is a nice player, so I guess we need to see the terms. Is the plan to be respectable enough to convince KD to join next summer?
seriously - this is OK with me -  
Del Shofner : 7/3/2015 11:05 am : link
best available (realistically) big man and seems like a good guy.
I thought someone posted 4/52  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 11:05 am : link
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RE: I'm  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 11:06 am : link
In comment 12355119 Jon in NYC said:
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hoping for 2/10, but I'm braced for 3/39


Meant 2/20.
Lopez  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:09 am : link
sounds like a moron (when he speaks, his voice, surfer style) but he's extremely highly thought of in the lockeroom. I like the move
Phil's FA plan was to get two starters.  
bceagle05 : 7/3/2015 11:09 am : link
They spent around $20 million to do it, which is to be expected, and predictably it was a two-guard and a defensive big - two glaring weaknesses. We all would've liked bigger names but we're not in a position to attract them right now.

Afflalo, Lopez, Porzingis and Grant is a nice influx of talent, with some money left to spend if they so choose.
If they sign Lopez  
steve in ky : 7/3/2015 11:09 am : link
I wonder if Phil doesn't try to bring back Bargnani for a bargain price as well for some offense at the 5 spot. Once healthy he actually had some nice games under Fisher
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:09 am : link
said it's 12-13 per so it's likely 3 for 36-39 or 4 for 48-52
I wonder  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 11:10 am : link
if they plan to use Melo as a PF next year primarily. It's something I've been in favor of for a while.
Whether we can lure KD or not  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 11:10 am : link
Lopez helps on both accounts.

Lopez
Melo
KD
Afflalo if he opts in
Grant

Sixth man is Porzingis

If everybody works out I think this is a very good team. We would need to add depth but I definitely think having Lopez and Afflalo makes it more enticing. We still have a decent chunk of change to get another solid starter/rotational player. Players are not coming here because they don't see the big picture and we lack talent. Gettin Afflalo and Lopez not only fills these holes on the team but it does so with solid players on reasonable deals while still leaving us open to financial flexibility next year too.
RE: Woj  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 11:10 am : link
In comment 12355129 DanMetroMan said:
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said it's 12-13 per so it's likely 3 for 36-39 or 4 for 48-52


He also said 3/36 for Afflalo.
Still have  
nygiants16 : 7/3/2015 11:10 am : link
around 8 million to get a vet PF and the room exceptio to get a veteran for off the bench..
RE: RE: Woj  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12355133 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 12355129 DanMetroMan said:


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said it's 12-13 per so it's likely 3 for 36-39 or 4 for 48-52



He also said 3/36 for Afflalo.


Fair enough
Adam  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:13 am : link
Schefter of all people is ripping the Knicks
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 11:15 am : link
like to see a 3 year 12 mil deal for Kyle OQuinn. Think he could break out soon.
Also,  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 11:16 am : link
question:

Who would you rather have over the next 4 years and 52 mil:

Tyson Chandler or Robin Lopez?

RE: Adam  
nygiants16 : 7/3/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12355137 DanMetroMan said:
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Schefter of all people is ripping the Knicks


The same people ripping the Knicks would be the same people ripping the Knicks giving Carroll 15 million a year...

Even the 2 fat kids on ESPN ripping the Knicks and yet the Lakers somehow get a pass..who the fuck are they going to sign?
dan  
melojeteli4 : 7/3/2015 11:17 am : link
Where did u see that Jordan told us no?
Lopez, without a doubt  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 11:17 am : link
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RE: dan  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12355142 melojeteli4 said:
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Where did u see that Jordan told us no?


Woj said Jordan is down to Clippers and Mavs.
RE: Also,  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12355139 Jon in NYC said:
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question:

Who would you rather have over the next 4 years and 52 mil:

Tyson Chandler or Robin Lopez?


Lopez no brainer and yes on KOQ!!!
Matthews  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:20 am : link
turned down 64 million from Sac to sign with the Mavs wow
RE: If they sign Lopez  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2015 11:21 am : link
In comment 12355128 steve in ky said:
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I wonder if Phil doesn't try to bring back Bargnani for a bargain price as well for some offense at the 5 spot. Once healthy he actually had some nice games under Fisher


Oh helllllllll no. I never want to see Bargnani again.
That Bargnani  
Joey in VA : 7/3/2015 11:23 am : link
Deal just sticks in my craw. When will this franchise ever learn???? Until Dolan is out, this team will suck in perpetuity.
Matthews  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:24 am : link
ended up getting roughly what people scoffed at him getting.. 4 for 52
RE: RE: If they sign Lopez  
steve in ky : 7/3/2015 11:25 am : link
In comment 12355147 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12355128 steve in ky said:


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I wonder if Phil doesn't try to bring back Bargnani for a bargain price as well for some offense at the 5 spot. Once healthy he actually had some nice games under Fisher



Oh helllllllll no. I never want to see Bargnani again.


If they could get him to sign at the veteran minimum I think he would be a nice addition to the offense. Take away the expectations and baggage of the big contract and trading away a pick to get him and who would be better for the minimum at that position at this point?
Solid move  
bxgiants4 : 7/3/2015 11:28 am : link
I'm fine going into the season as we are (obv add a few bench guys) with low expectations to position ourselves for the 2016 FA class
Nene  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:30 am : link
reportedly available as a salary dump... another "David Lee" possibility? Take him and his salary and assets,
RE: That Bargnani  
steve in ky : 7/3/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12355149 Joey in VA said:
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Deal just sticks in my craw. When will this franchise ever learn???? Until Dolan is out, this team will suck in perpetuity.


Sure that deal sucked but hopefully Jackson would make decisions going forward based on emotions from a previous administrations trades and look only at whether if able to sign him for the minimum helps them or not.
RE: Nene  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 11:33 am : link
In comment 12355157 DanMetroMan said:
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reportedly available as a salary dump... another "David Lee" possibility? Take him and his salary and assets,


I like Nene but what are the details. If we do sign Lopez then can we even fit him under the cap. If we could, what would be the additional piece we get? How many years does he have left on his deal?
Nene  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:35 am : link
has 1 year left
RE: Nene  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 11:36 am : link
In comment 12355161 DanMetroMan said:
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has 1 year left

And what price tag?
1  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:37 am : link
year 13 million
.  
Anakim : 7/3/2015 11:37 am : link
Michael Scotto ‏@MikeAScotto 6s6 seconds ago
New York Knicks will meet with former 2011 No. 2 overall pick Derrick Williams today, a league source tells Sheridan Hoops.
So, it is impossible  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 11:38 am : link
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Melo should shut his yap  
gmenrule : 7/3/2015 11:39 am : link
and sacrifice some dollars to get the remaining player needed.
Williams  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 11:40 am : link
has stunk but for cheap why not?
RE: Melo should shut his yap  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 11:40 am : link
In comment 12355168 gmenrule said:
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and sacrifice some dollars to get the remaining player needed.

What are you talking about?
Pry Bjelica  
Phil in LA : 7/3/2015 11:43 am : link
away from Minnesota and it's a good offseason.
Cool  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 11:44 am : link
with Williams on a vet min deal.
this is when it gets real interesting  
Stu11 : 7/3/2015 12:03 pm : link
and Phil really earns his keep. seeing how we finish off the roster.
Bjelica  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 12:23 pm : link
isn't happening. Wolves helped pay his buyout so they could sign
I thought  
Phil in LA : 7/3/2015 12:32 pm : link
they were in cap hell and couldn't.
Does Antetokounmpo make  
larryflower37 : 7/3/2015 12:39 pm : link
the team this year?
How much can he give us at the 3?
RE: I thought  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 12:45 pm : link
In comment 12355206 Phil in LA said:
[quote] they were in cap hell and couldn't. [/quote

The Wolves will use a good chunk of their $6 million-ish mid-level exception an annual salary exception granted to teams over the salary cap to sign Bjelica, who is from Serbia but has played in Spain and Turkey most recently.

RE: Bjelica  
nygiants16 : 7/3/2015 12:45 pm : link
In comment 12355200 DanMetroMan said:
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isn't happening. Wolves helped pay his buyout so they could sign


Dan I think his contract was up.I don't think there was a buyout
RE: RE: Bjelica  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 12:46 pm : link
In comment 12355216 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12355200 DanMetroMan said:


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isn't happening. Wolves helped pay his buyout so they could sign



Dan I think his contract was up.I don't think there was a buyout


No. He had an opt out/buyout.
Buyout  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 12:47 pm : link
was 1.32 million
,,,,  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 12:50 pm : link
Bjelica, 27, could sign a three-year, $12-million contract with Minnesota, Sportando said. The reported buyout with Fenerbahce was $1.32 million, according to USA Today. He was selected with the 35th pick in the 2010 second round by Washington and traded to the Wolves on draft night.
So right now, just to summarize, this is what our roster looks like:  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 12:53 pm : link
C. RoLo
PF: Zinger
SF: Melo, Early, Thanasis?
SG: Afflalo, Galloway
PG: Calderon, Grant

We need at least 1 more big, preferably 2, and another SF.

Something like O'Quinn, Derrick Williams and Brewer would be okay.
Speaking of which...  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 12:54 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 13s13 seconds ago
Sources: Two athletic, free agent forwards rising as priorities for the Knicks: Derrick Williams and Corey Brewer.
Really short on bigs.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2015 12:55 pm : link
Not a complete roster yet by far.
RE: Does Antetokounmpo make  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12355212 larryflower37 said:
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the team this year?
How much can he give us at the 3?


Defense looked solid, offense looks rough. If he can develop the 3 ball he'll be something, if he can't he won't give them much beyond d
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 12:57 pm : link
David AldridgeVerified account
‏@daldridgetnt
If Generic NBA team added Porzingis, Jerian Grant, Afflalo, Robin Lopez & maybe Corey Brewer, it would be considered a very good offseason.
RE: .  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12355227 DanMetroMan said:
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David AldridgeVerified account
‏@daldridgetnt
If Generic NBA team added Porzingis, Jerian Grant, Afflalo, Robin Lopez & maybe Corey Brewer, it would be considered a very good offseason.


Reasonable comment from a guy known for being reasonable.

I kind of wonder where the offense comes from on this team though, even if you assume they get Williams and Brewer.
Good job so far this offseason  
Torrag : 7/3/2015 1:05 pm : link
Not what we all wished for but stars want to play for contenders. Phil has a couple more bullets to fire. Stay the course.
Really don't want brewer  
Italianju : 7/3/2015 1:09 pm : link
Unless it's for super cheap. I'm expecting him to get like 5 mill and I'd barely pay him more then the min.
RE: .  
Deej : 7/3/2015 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12355227 DanMetroMan said:
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David AldridgeVerified account
‏@daldridgetnt
If Generic NBA team added Porzingis, Jerian Grant, Afflalo, Robin Lopez & maybe Corey Brewer, it would be considered a very good offseason.


So true, except for Brewer. Who cant shoot so I dont really understand why he's so linked to us. Phil is probably interested at bargain prices.

I'd like to shop for some bargain hard working vets and upsider with the remaining space. What would Reggie Evans want? Cant play him with RoLo, but neither is a 33 mpg guy. We've added at least 3 hard workers. Hard work and 5 guys playing together can really make a huge difference.
RE: Good job so far this offseason  
larryflower37 : 7/3/2015 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12355232 Torrag said:
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Not what we all wished for but stars want to play for contenders. Phil has a couple more bullets to fire. Stay the course.


Agree totally.
This team was not one star away from competing for a title. Build the young pieces and try again next year to make a splash.
A lack of a first round pick next year does hurt.
RE: Good job so far this offseason  
larryflower37 : 7/3/2015 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12355232 Torrag said:
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Not what we all wished for but stars want to play for contenders. Phil has a couple more bullets to fire. Stay the course.


Agree totally.
This team was not one star away from competing for a title. Build the young pieces and try again next year to make a splash.
A lack of a first round pick next year does hurt.
I wonder what the situation is with Larry Sanders  
TheMick7 : 7/3/2015 1:13 pm : link
I know he was suspended for pot & then when into a clinic for depression.Don't know if he has righted his life but if he has,he could be added cheaply & would be a huge defensive presence.
RE: I wonder what the situation is with Larry Sanders  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12355241 TheMick7 said:
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I know he was suspended for pot & then when into a clinic for depression.Don't know if he has righted his life but if he has,he could be added cheaply & would be a huge defensive presence.


Read an interview about him not long ago. He seems happily retired. I don't think he's cut out to be an NBAer. The lifestyle and the money don't seem to work well with him.
RE: That Bargnani  
Tuckrule : 7/3/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12355149 Joey in VA said:
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Deal just sticks in my craw. When will this franchise ever learn???? Until Dolan is out, this team will suck in perpetuity.


Dolan isn't the gm. He spends money and is a good owner. If we had homegrown talent we would be in the luxury tax and Dolan wouldn't give a shit
So with these moves can we now focus on the job Fisher is doing  
Mason : 7/3/2015 1:17 pm : link
I don't want to be back on here next year hearing but..but...but... he had nothing to work it excuse.
Brewer is a one man fast break  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/3/2015 1:18 pm : link
he'll get any team he plays with more easy points because the man is literally the human version of a greyhound. He also has massive balls, the guy is absolutely fearless in a non-cocky way and it just makes you appreciate his attitude so much. But he's just not a great halfcourt player on offense, he can get hot from outside every now and then but he's not a pure shooter. And on D his lack of strength limits him and he gambles so much. As a defender he's like one of those NFL safeties that might have 5+ INTs on the season but get burned a ton deep.

Love the Lopez signing. Rolo (one of the best nicknames in the league) is a great combination of "dirty work" and skill. I actually think the Bucks should've signed Lopez over Monroe, that Monroe signing will really kill their defense.
TTH I think Afflalo proved he can be an 18-20ppg guy with Orlando  
Stu11 : 7/3/2015 1:40 pm : link
The other guys are a big question mark, but they probably feel that Afflalo and Melo can be in the 45-50 ppg range on a nightly basis if healthyand they'll hope for some scoring upside from the rookies/Galloway
and whats with Aldridge throwing some atual calm basketball  
Stu11 : 7/3/2015 1:47 pm : link
knowledge and evaluation out there? It's more fun for the national media to just bash every move the Knicks make and laugh at them. Eventhough the pathetic Lakers can't even beat us out for Robin Lopez.
Robin Lopez 4 yrs-$54 million  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 1:54 pm : link
didnt see this posted
Link - ( New Window )
Fisher was green as grass...  
manh george : 7/3/2015 1:57 pm : link
and Jackson blew up what little team he had in search of cap room. Then, Melo was gone with an injury.

How does one judge how good Fisher can be based upon that shit show? This year, at least he will have a core to work with. THEN we can judge him.
4/54...  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 2:02 pm : link
wow.

A lot of money, but I guess it was expected.
So Monroe's deal....  
manh george : 7/3/2015 2:05 pm : link
is 3 years $50 mm, which I guess is like $16MM/17/17. Knicks keep about $4 mm a year in additional cap room to play with.

If Monroe were stronger as a defender it would bother me more.

Knicks need to add a big and some shooting.
RE: So Monroe's deal....  
EricNY33 : 7/3/2015 2:07 pm : link
In comment 12355278 manh george said:
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is 3 years $50 mm, which I guess is like $16MM/17/17. Knicks keep about $4 mm a year in additional cap room to play with.

If Monroe were stronger as a defender it would bother me more.

Knicks need to add a big and some shooting.


They just added a big... LOL

They need to add a shooter. I don't like the Derrick Williams and Corey Brewer chatter.
There's literally one big on the roster other than Porzingis.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2015 2:08 pm : link
They need to keep adding.
Eric  
manh george : 7/3/2015 2:09 pm : link
So who is the backup 5? I suspect we might want to have one of those.
This is going to get some strange reactions  
EricNY33 : 7/3/2015 2:09 pm : link
but what about bringing in Jimmer Fredette to play the John Paxson/Steve Kerr shooter role?
RE: There's literally one big on the roster other than Porzingis.  
EricNY33 : 7/3/2015 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12355282 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They need to keep adding.


No I agree I just thought the timing of the comment was weird.
The way the team is constructed now...  
manh george : 7/3/2015 2:11 pm : link
if Lopez were to miss a stretch of games (it happens), we might average 12 rebounds a game. We need more size, period.
Wonder if they want to bring back Aldrich or Jason smith.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2015 2:11 pm : link
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RE: Wonder if they want to bring back Aldrich or Jason smith.  
EricNY33 : 7/3/2015 2:12 pm : link
In comment 12355288 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I think Jason Smith is a good bet to come back.
Nothing weird about the timing...  
manh george : 7/3/2015 2:14 pm : link
I'm just trying to figure what they do with the remaining cap space, and Williams and Brewer solve neither size nor shooting.

I think the fact that you consider that weird, is weird.
Knicks still have about 7.3  
Italianju : 7/3/2015 2:18 pm : link
Supposedly plus the mini ml of 2.8. That's plenty to add a couple more rotation pieces. Plus there are always a couple guys that end up having to take the min (Aldrich easily could). And the can still save that 4 mill if they want to cut Calderon.
Reggie Evans on the vet min  
Deej : 7/3/2015 2:20 pm : link
Minute for minute the dude can rebound with anyone. Good enough defense, no rim protection. On offense ... did I mention his rebounding?

Do it!
RE: Knicks still have about 7.3  
EricNY33 : 7/3/2015 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12355298 Italianju said:
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Supposedly plus the mini ml of 2.8. That's plenty to add a couple more rotation pieces. Plus there are always a couple guys that end up having to take the min (Aldrich easily could). And the can still save that 4 mill if they want to cut Calderon.


I have a feeling that they're going to keep Calderon because despite his salary he's still a legit NBA player and good shooter.
Yea  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 2:23 pm : link
I'd bet on Jason Smith returning as well.
I agree.  
Italianju : 7/3/2015 2:25 pm : link
Unless they were going t go after a Harris or something I bet they keep him as well. The 4 mill we save won't really help that much unless we were offering a big contract to someone.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 2:45 pm : link
sort of surprised given the market that Smith doesn't have more interest around the league. I think Calderon, Smith and Shved are all on the Knicks to open the season.
When does summer summary league start?  
Canton : 7/3/2015 2:46 pm : link
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Kind  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 2:48 pm : link
of crazy to say but almost a "good" thing they haven't added much offense in terms of Zinger getting PT. If he can shoot as claimed he might get burn just based on the shooting/offense need
RE: When does summer summary league start?  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12355319 Canton said:
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July 11
I think Aldrich has a chance too Dan  
Stu11 : 7/3/2015 2:50 pm : link
he's an ideal back-up big. Cheap and tough.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 2:50 pm : link
like Belinelli for that price. Kings are a mess but just talking about that contract.
RE: I think Aldrich has a chance too Dan  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12355322 Stu11 said:
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he's an ideal back-up big. Cheap and tough.


Quite possibly. They need size one way or another.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 2:51 pm : link
can't imagine Zinger gets much if any run at C so anyone "tall" should interest the Knicks.
RE: RE: When does summer summary league start?  
Canton : 7/3/2015 2:52 pm : link
In comment 12355321 DanMetroMan said:
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July 11


Thanks. Can't come fast enough.
Dallas  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 2:53 pm : link
radio personality Ben Rogers claims he's hearing DJ is headed to Dallas.
that would be a crushing  
MookGiants : 7/3/2015 2:55 pm : link
blow to the Clippers and end any chance they have of competing going forward.
Belinelli..  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/3/2015 2:58 pm : link
Signed with Kings...3 years, 19 million....Kings and others supposedly after Jason Smith...
yea man he is taking his sweet time  
Stu11 : 7/3/2015 3:01 pm : link
I guess that pretty much sews up Aldridge to the Spurs or Phoenix. Come on Lamarcus please leave SA high and dry.
To me a casual follower of the Knicks in recent years  
Headhunter : 7/3/2015 3:07 pm : link
Phil Jackson has done what he came here to do. He has gotten rid of everyone that needed to be gone. He drafted 2 nice pieces, he has signed 2 nice pieces for at or below market and has a ton of money in 2016 FA when a lot of high value players will be in the market. The only thing is he doesn't have a number 1 pick to work with next year, but that is not fatal to the franchise going forward and it could be acquired. If you believe you can't build around Carmelo Anthony please disregard this
How much do you guys think  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 3:12 pm : link
Derrick Williams will cost?
Wow well thought out  
Carl in CT : 7/3/2015 3:17 pm : link
Tell me more that wasn't obvious Mook.
FWIW  
Michael 123 : 7/3/2015 3:17 pm : link
Hahn said on his radio show Knicks never offered Monroe a deal, said Phil knew Falk was using him and Phil was never that interested.
DeAndre formally told  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/3/2015 3:19 pm : link
Knicks no...
What's this?  
Anakim : 7/3/2015 3:23 pm : link
NBADraft.net ‏@nbadraftnet 1m1 minute ago
The New York Knicks send the rights to #2 pick Skal Labissiere to the Denver Nuggets for the 7th pick. Toronto receives the Nuggets #7 pick.
Nevermind, it's some mock draft  
Anakim : 7/3/2015 3:25 pm : link
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Next years FA class is overrated  
Sgrcts : 7/3/2015 3:30 pm : link
2017 is actually theoretically a lot more loaded then this one, without knowing who actually hits FA of course.

Dwight Howard, Blake, Westbrook, Ibaka, Curry are just a few of the of the names.
I think Jackson is doing it the right way  
larryflower37 : 7/3/2015 3:36 pm : link
put some young pieces in place this year.
you hope Grant and Zinger performs, Knicks win 30+ games and Melo stays health.
Now you are attractive to a Max player (Durant) in 2016
There are some more solid role players in next years FA.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2015 3:36 pm : link
No stars that realistically are in the Knicks' reach.
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Anakim : 7/3/2015 3:41 pm : link
Bobby Marks ‏@BobbyMarks42 1h1 hour ago
NYK will a little over $7.3m in room plus Room ML (2.8) to add more pieces. Roughly $30m in room for 2016-17.

Robin Lopez deal looking like 12.64, 13.21, 13.78, 14.3 if the deal escalates 4.5%.

Seems like way too much for Robin, but I guess it's a player's market. Good to know we have a shit ton of cap space next year...albeit with no first round pick.
Nice, positive article...  
manh george : 7/3/2015 3:50 pm : link
on Lopez and how he fits on the Knicks.

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Lopez isn't a thrilling player to watch, and I can understand why his addition feels like settling, but I'm excited to have him around, and I think every single Knick will be happy to join him. He'll help the Knicks win games this season, and New York will have the inside track on keeping him around if and when the time comes to win a *lot* of games.

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re. KD: think TTH's 3:36  
ColHowPepper : 7/3/2015 3:53 pm : link
way more realistic than LarryFlowers of same time stamp
They flashed the money at people and they didn't come  
jcn56 : 7/3/2015 4:05 pm : link
So on to plan B. The one thing that just keeps ringing in my ear is that Melo is going to look like one hell of a screaming bargain within the next couple of years.
RE: That Bargnani  
djm : 7/3/2015 4:06 pm : link
In comment 12355149 Joey in VA said:
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Deal just sticks in my craw. When will this franchise ever learn???? Until Dolan is out, this team will suck in perpetuity.


Horrible trade but Dolan didn't make the trade the idiot GM did. Dolan appears to be staying out of the way lately. Wish he got in the way of that trade.

It's not all Dolan. If anything he's displayed too much loyalty and made some bad GM hirings. I think it's lazy to put everything on Dolan. The rangers have been fine for the last decade. Why? Because he allows sather and his minions to do their job. And they have done a pretty good job. When he's allowed the gms for the Knicks to do their job they have failed to build a winning team. Isaiah Thomas was a disaster. Walsh signed stat and drafted hill. What's his name traded for bargs. Felton got fat and lazy. JR smith went nuts. Woodson didn't preach defense and his act wore thin. On and on.

If anything Dolan has been too loyal. See the IT tenure.
With all that dais  
djm : 7/3/2015 4:08 pm : link
I don't wanna sound like I'm defending Dolan. He's a world class coke headed dick bag. But I think some if the doom and gloom outlook with the Knicks centered around Dolan is overstated. The media has hit their mark and won.
RE: FWIW  
bceagle05 : 7/3/2015 4:14 pm : link
In comment 12355343 Michael 123 said:
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Hahn said on his radio show Knicks never offered Monroe a deal, said Phil knew Falk was using him and Phil was never that interested.


And that fact will get NO play in the media, of course. Much more fun to go crazy about Monroe "spurning" the Knicks and choosing to live in Milwaukee rather than playing here.
RE: RE: That Bargnani  
TheMick7 : 7/3/2015 4:18 pm : link
In comment 12355382 djm said:
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In comment 12355149 Joey in VA said:


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Deal just sticks in my craw. When will this franchise ever learn???? Until Dolan is out, this team will suck in perpetuity.



Horrible trade but Dolan didn't make the trade the idiot GM did. Dolan appears to be staying out of the way lately. Wish he got in the way of that trade.

It's not all Dolan. If anything he's displayed too much loyalty and made some bad GM hirings. I think it's lazy to put everything on Dolan. The rangers have been fine for the last decade. Why? Because he allows sather and his minions to do their job. And they have done a pretty good job. When he's allowed the gms for the Knicks to do their job they have failed to build a winning team. Isaiah Thomas was a disaster. Walsh signed stat and drafted hill. What's his name traded for bargs. Felton got fat and lazy. JR smith went nuts. Woodson didn't preach defense and his act wore thin. On and on.

If anything Dolan has been too loyal. See the IT tenure.


djm, Agree w/everything you say except for Sather. He was a disaster before the NHL instituted a cap.He brought in every over the hill star at an inflated price. Without a cap, I think his bromance w/Dolan wouldn't have lasted!
So why did we meet Monroe  
Deej : 7/3/2015 4:22 pm : link
at 12:01 am on July 1? I really struggle to believe that in a world when Chandler, Lopez, and Asik are getting 12-13+ million that David Falk needed subterfuge to get Monroe max offers starting at 15 million.

Im not super upset (I did want Monroe), but I trust Falk's quotes over what reporters say they're hearing. I suspect that internally they thought they were being all smart focusing on the get-able guy, Monroe was a lock, and it's embarrassing to them that NY, the Knicks, the Mecca, and Phil Jackson lost the 4th best center in the FA market to a team that is the archetype for "well not FAs are gonna sign to live in that town".
RE: RE: FWIW  
aimrocky : 7/3/2015 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12355389 bceagle05 said:
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Hahn said on his radio show Knicks never offered Monroe a deal, said Phil knew Falk was using him and Phil was never that interested.



And that fact will get NO play in the media, of course. Much more fun to go crazy about Monroe "spurning" the Knicks and choosing to live in Milwaukee rather than playing here.


Keep in mind that Hahn works for the Knicks. The Knicks could have planted that story.
Jordan to Dallas...  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/3/2015 4:24 pm : link
According to sources...
So much for concerns about the aging Clips core  
Deej : 7/3/2015 4:28 pm : link
Dirk is old, and Jordan-Parsons-Matthews is a lottery team in the West if Dirk declines off last season's 17 ppg.
RE: RE: RE: FWIW  
bceagle05 : 7/3/2015 4:33 pm : link
Keep in mind that Hahn works for the Knicks. The Knicks could have planted that story. [/quote]

I was listening when it was said - Hahn's radio partner (DiPietro) spoke with Ian Begley about it. True, it could be BS, but the uproar over Greg Monroe yesterday was laughable. He fit none of the criteria Phil and Fisher said they wanted going forward at the center position. Jordan and Lopez were the two Cs who did, and the Knicks went much harder after both of them.
RE: So why did we meet Monroe  
D-Rod : 7/3/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12355399 Deej said:
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at 12:01 am on July 1? I really struggle to believe that in a world when Chandler, Lopez, and Asik are getting 12-13+ million that David Falk needed subterfuge to get Monroe max offers starting at 15 million.

Im not super upset (I did want Monroe), but I trust Falk's quotes over what reporters say they're hearing. I suspect that internally they thought they were being all smart focusing on the get-able guy, Monroe was a lock, and it's embarrassing to them that NY, the Knicks, the Mecca, and Phil Jackson lost the 4th best center in the FA market to a team that is the archetype for "well not FAs are gonna sign to live in that town".


Agreee, if the Knicks weren't all that interested, I don't believe they would rushed to meet him at the earliest time possible.
Disaster for the clippers and lakers.  
BeerFridge : 7/3/2015 5:06 pm : link
Maybe the mavs need to clear some room. Anything we want on their roster, preferably cheap and tall?
RE: Disaster for the clippers and lakers.  
Sgrcts : 7/3/2015 5:10 pm : link
In comment 12355429 BeerFridge said:
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Maybe the mavs need to clear some room. Anything we want on their roster, preferably cheap and tall?


Mavs have 30 mil in space
RE: Wow well thought out  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/3/2015 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12355341 Carl in CT said:
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Tell me more that wasn't obvious Mook.

Your next valuable contribution will be your first. Just stop.
RE: RE: Disaster for the clippers and lakers.  
BeerFridge : 7/3/2015 5:14 pm : link
In comment 12355434 Sgrcts said:
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Maybe the mavs need to clear some room. Anything we want on their roster, preferably cheap and tall?



Mavs have 30 mil in space


Matthews is only getting 10?
Stein  
Canton : 7/3/2015 5:23 pm : link
@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say DeAndre Jordan is on verge of accepting Mavs' four-year, $80M+ max offer. Dallas firmly in lead and decision likely today
Robin Lopez  
Canton : 7/3/2015 5:24 pm : link
@rolopez42: Excited to be part of the #Knicks legacy! It's going to be like "On the Town" but w/way more box outs & dunks #ModeledMyGameAfterGeneKelly
Anyone got a list of the best remaining FAs?  
Deej : 7/3/2015 5:30 pm : link
Needs a 4/5, a wing defender, and a shooter (like the whole league, I know).
Man...  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 5:38 pm : link
I like Robin Lopez. I think he fits this team really well and will help KP a ton in the learning process. He was one of the guys I was hoping we'd target before FA started. But never in a million years did I think we'd be signing him to that kind of money.

It's hard to give an opinion with how money is being handed out this offseason. But that seems like an overpay in any market. 13.5 a year for a defensive center.
It would have been great to get LMA  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 5:41 pm : link
But as time passes I'm glad we got Lopez. Give me guys that want to be here. I'm tired of us trying to sell NY. If you want to be here then awesome. If not, get the fuck out.
For all the shit  
Chris684 : 7/3/2015 5:52 pm : link
Phil has gotten, I'd like to hear what other ideas people have....given the situation he walked into. The biggest mistake so far in my view was winning the 2 games last week of the season, whether or not that comes back to bite us in the ass depends on the development of KP (who the majority seems to like).

People complain about Carmelo but I actually believe he takes more criticism than he should. Let's see him with a better roster around him. If you were to create a list of players you wouldn't let walk away from you in FA, I think Melo is in that class.

As for this offseason, the additions of Grant, AA and Lopez seem like smart and reasonable acquisitions at positions of need. We can't completely suck this season without our draft pick. We needed to improve but also keep next off season in mind. I think a 6-8 seed is a realistic expectation.
I don't know how he does it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/3/2015 5:59 pm : link
but Chandler Parsons is a master recruiter. He was one of the big reasons Dwight came to the Rockets and he supposedly did even more work to convince DeAndre to come to the Mavs. Partying with Chandler is apparently some sort of life-changing experience. I think CP3 being a little Napoleon Complex having douche really did play a role in DeAndre leaving, because in Dallas the best players (Dirk, Parsons) are both cool dudes and I think DeAndre preferred that environment to Paul's bitching.
when Omer Asik gets 60 million  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2015 6:01 pm : link
And a Past Prime Chandler gets 54 million, you kind of know what the going rate is.

At least you got the younger guy with that money.
Glad we passed  
Italianju : 7/3/2015 6:08 pm : link
@WojYahooNBA: Free agent Corey Brewer has agreed to a three-year, $24 million deal to return to the Houston Rockets, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Agreed on Brewer  
Torrag : 7/3/2015 6:13 pm : link
great in the open floor but does he doing anything else above average?
Okay  
Jon in NYC : 7/3/2015 6:22 pm : link
with no Brewer.

I would like to take a shot on Derrick Williams, who sounds like a priority for us right now. Should be cheap and has high upside.
RE: It would have been great to get LMA  
Del Shofner : 7/3/2015 6:23 pm : link
In comment 12355459 robbieballs2003 said:
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But as time passes I'm glad we got Lopez. Give me guys that want to be here. I'm tired of us trying to sell NY. If you want to be here then awesome. If not, get the fuck out.


This.
RE: Okay  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 6:30 pm : link
In comment 12355482 Jon in NYC said:
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with no Brewer.

I would like to take a shot on Derrick Williams, who sounds like a priority for us right now. Should be cheap and has high upside.


Agreed. Reminds me of Michael Beasley a lot which is kind of scary but there's a reason he was the #2 overall even if it was a bad draft. The due played for the wolves, Kings and the Pistons in the worst possible situations so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

My wish list with the remaining cap is either O'Quinn or Williams.

Wanna go after Gerald Green with the MLE.

Also, I read somewhere that Tobias Harris is considering of taking the qualifying offer if he doesn't get a deal he likes so he can enter free agency next year. Theoretically, could we offer him a 1 year deal that's more than his qualifying offer so he can come here?
Harris's qualifying is $4.4 million  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 6:33 pm : link
Wouldn't it be a lot better for him to take $6-7 million for 1 year with our remaining cap dollars?
I doubt u r getting green  
Italianju : 7/3/2015 6:38 pm : link
For the mini MLE

As for Harris if we signed him to that then ORL would just match. Got to offer him at least 10 per but prolly closer to the max of 15
I really have a lot of respect for Lopez after this FA period.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/3/2015 6:44 pm : link
Who was the last FA that agreed to terms with a team but that deal was contingent upon another player signing here at the same position. This wasn't like LeBron and everybody else. This is a slightly better player in Jordan we are talking about. You never see this.
Lopez wants to be here (and even  
Ash_3 : 7/3/2015 6:48 pm : link
if he's being paid handsomely to do so) it would be surprising if other teams weren't offering similar terms. If and when this squad becomes a contender again, I hope he's around.
Knicks still seem to have interest in mcdaniels  
Italianju : 7/3/2015 6:52 pm : link
And with Hou resigning brewer they might be hesitant to match an offer. I don't really know a ton about him but it seems like he still has some upside.
RE: Lopez wants to be here (and even  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 6:54 pm : link
In comment 12355492 Ash_3 said:
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if he's being paid handsomely to do so) it would be surprising if other teams weren't offering similar terms. If and when this squad becomes a contender again, I hope he's around.


He's from LA, went to school in Stanford, and there were claims he didn't want to play in the same city as his brother (idk why) but still chose us over the Lakers
RE: I doubt u r getting green  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 6:56 pm : link
In comment 12355489 Italianju said:
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For the mini MLE

As for Harris if we signed him to that then ORL would just match. Got to offer him at least 10 per but prolly closer to the max of 15


What about a sign and trade? We send Calderon, Early, and Mario Hezongawhatever over for him at the max. They get 2 prospects, a trade exception, and a backup PG/3 point shooter that their roster is currently lacking.
RE: RE: I doubt u r getting green  
Anakim : 7/3/2015 6:59 pm : link
In comment 12355506 giantsfan44ab said:
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For the mini MLE

As for Harris if we signed him to that then ORL would just match. Got to offer him at least 10 per but prolly closer to the max of 15



What about a sign and trade? We send Calderon, Early, and Mario Hezongawhatever over for him at the max. They get 2 prospects, a trade exception, and a backup PG/3 point shooter that their roster is currently lacking.


What am I missing?
I'd give them early to get a deal done  
Italianju : 7/3/2015 7:02 pm : link
but I'd hate to start piling on assets.
RE: RE: Lopez wants to be here (and even  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 7:03 pm : link
In comment 12355502 giantsfan44ab said:
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if he's being paid handsomely to do so) it would be surprising if other teams weren't offering similar terms. If and when this squad becomes a contender again, I hope he's around.



He's from LA, went to school in Stanford, and there were claims he didn't want to play in the same city as his brother (idk why) but still chose us over the Lakers


Where did you see claims he didn't want to play in the same city as his brother? There have been reports on the complete opposite. They are incredibly close and chose to go to the same college. Seems like Brook staying here played a huge role into why he wanted to be here IMO.
.  
Anakim : 7/3/2015 7:05 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 8s8 seconds ago
Patrick Beverley has agreed to a four-year, $25M deal to return to Houston, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Yahoo Sports.
Really like what Knicks/Phil are doing...  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 7:07 pm : link
We're not getting big names yet. But we filled two big needs with Affalo and Lopez. Two solid pickups. I just hope Phil stays long-term.
RE: Knicks still seem to have interest in mcdaniels  
nygiants16 : 7/3/2015 7:08 pm : link
In comment 12355496 Italianju said:
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And with Hou resigning brewer they might be hesitant to match an offer. I don't really know a ton about him but it seems like he still has some upside.


They don't have bird rights so have to match using cap space or exceptions..with brewer back have to think they let him go
In a vacuum I like KJ McDaniels  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 7:13 pm : link
But it seems a bit repetitive to have both KJ and Thanasis. They offer the same qualities as players/athletes, but KJ has done it in the NBA. I'd rather just save our money and hope Thanasis can do it in the NBA as well.
RE: when Omer Asik gets 60 million  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/3/2015 7:19 pm : link
In comment 12355471 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And a Past Prime Chandler gets 54 million, you kind of know what the going rate is.

At least you got the younger guy with that money.


Exactly... I can't even complain.
I'd go after Mcdaniels  
Stu11 : 7/3/2015 7:24 pm : link
all we have to do is bump up his qualifying offer and they can't match correct? sort of like us with Copeland a few years ago
Rajon Rondo to the Kings (they finally landed someone!)  
Anakim : 7/3/2015 7:37 pm : link
Kurt Helin ‏@basketballtalk 1m1 minute ago
Report: Rajon Rondo agrees to one-year, $9.5 million deal with Sacramento Kings
Rockets got a steal with Beverley  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/3/2015 7:43 pm : link
even though he is a RFA
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Pat Beverley's deal with Houston, I'm told: $ 18 million over 3 with a 5 million non guaranteed year in year 4.
AGF  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 8:16 pm : link
Someone on here put a report or a quote on it. Sounded weird. Don't know if it's true or not. Doesn't really matter though, he's a knick now whether or not he does or doesn't want to be near Brook and he chose us over his hometown team, which is the Lakers, making it all the better.
We really don't know if he chose us over the Lakers  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 8:32 pm : link
Or just chose more money over less money. Per year, Ro Lo is earning more than both Tyson and Asik. It's not a given by any means that the Lakers were willing to cough up 13.5 per year for Ro Lo.

Again, I like him so I'm not mad or anything. But let's be realistic here. We're paying the man a lot of money. That's why he chose us.
you think the Lakers  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 8:38 pm : link
Didn't offer him as much cuz they are trying to tank to keep their pick now they missed out on the big free agents?
I just think that teams may not want to pay more than  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/3/2015 8:47 pm : link
What they think a player is worth. Maybe even more so considering their circumstance. It makes more sense for us to overvalue Lopez because his game should make KP's life easier while he's trying to acclimate himself to the NBA.

Does it really make sense for the Lakers to pay a B grade player that much money? What is he really going to do for them? Maybe they are taking the "we'll get em next time" approach.

Or maybe I'm dead wrong and both teams offered the same money and he chose the Knicks. But the fact that Ro Lo was the third big man signed and got the most money per year tells me that we won a bidding war.
Wow.  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2015 9:07 pm : link
Amazing.. truly
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Good point  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 9:14 pm : link
But the Lakers seem to have tons of cap space and I'm order to lure a major free agent they'd need something at center. Would've certainly helped their pursuit for LMA. Now it looks their left in the dust, and their pick is now top 3 protected.
Ultimate knicks is saying we signed Derek Williams  
djm : 7/3/2015 10:56 pm : link
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2 years 10 million  
djm : 7/3/2015 10:58 pm : link
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Player option 2nd year  
djm : 7/3/2015 10:58 pm : link
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RE: 2 years 10 million  
giantsfan44ab : 7/3/2015 11:09 pm : link
In comment 12355664 djm said:
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Solid price for him. Anyone think he starts?
Harris staying in Orlando...  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/3/2015 11:38 pm : link
4 years, $64 million....
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yatqb : 7/3/2015 11:45 pm : link
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Link Knicks sign Williams - ( New Window )



Solid price for him. Anyone think he starts?


I think as of now he starts, with the Zinger coming off the bench.
I know nothing about Williams to know if i should be happy about this.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/4/2015 12:00 am : link
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RE: Harris staying in Orlando...  
MookGiants : 7/4/2015 12:02 am : link
In comment 12355680 Mike in St. Louis said:
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4 years, $64 million....


Damn, can't believe he didn't come to the Knicks with an offer of 11 million per year despite not even having 11 million in cap space
All the knicks needed to do..  
Italianju : 7/4/2015 8:17 am : link
was cut Calderon and they would have had 11 mill in capspace. That was the easy part, the bigger issue was that even when it was said ORL wouldnt match a max offer (obviously they would) an offer of 11 would have def been matched.
Aldridge commits to the Spurs  
UConn4523 : 7/4/2015 12:39 pm : link
thankfully
Biyombo to Toronto..  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/4/2015 3:39 pm : link
2 years, $6 million... a bargain ...
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