with the fact that there are no blacks starting for the Houston Astros.
The fact that he comments on 15% of the population not making a roster is thoughtful, concerned, intelligent and productive.
"there is no white guy (85% of the population) starting on the Giants defense."
"I only saw one white guy picked in the first round of the draft".............
I saw almost no white guys in the NCAA finals.
Makes me a racist.
Though this tends to reinforce the OP's post. I don't like his argument. It leaves a bad taste. This link was easy to find, he didn't have to resort to basically claiming racism against whites to make his point.
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I think it is pretty ridiculous. What level is the racism coming at? Are blacks not being signed? Promoted in the minors? Played in the majors?
The conspiracy among teams that are absolutely killing eachother to get talent, offering $300k to pedestrian latin american 16 year olds, yet conspiring against black player is just nuts. You have GMs on the cusp of losing their jobs, but unwilling to give a brotha a shot? Bonkers.
Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson could've pursued a career in baseball. They chose not to.
Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson could've pursued a career in baseball. They chose not to.
To be clear they could have but didn't because they weren't real MLB prospects.
Plenty of African American multi sports stars who pick Baseball out of High School over playing another college sport. MLB and MILB is littered with them.
No idea what the OP is really talking about though.
To be clear they could have but didn't because they weren't real MLB prospects.
To be clear, you're wrong. Wilson was a 4th round pick by the Rockies, and Winston was rated as the 59th best prospect in his post-HS draft by Baseball America. That's WELL within the range of real prospects. BA explains further:
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To be clear they could have but didn't because they weren't real MLB prospects.
To be clear, you're wrong. Wilson was a 4th round pick by the Rockies, and Winston was rated as the 59th best prospect in his post-HS draft by Baseball America. That's WELL within the range of real prospects. BA explains further:
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If football weren’t a factor, Winston would have a solid chance to be a 2015 first-round pick in baseball. On the mound, he showed a 92-94 mph fastball and a promising slider. Because he has gained weight for football, he isn’t the well above-average runner he used to be, but he’s still a solid-average runner with a right fielder’s arm.
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Wilson was drafted as an athletic play- he also then hit next to nothing in his 2 tries at 2nd base, a position that mostly non prospects play anyway(the vast majority of 2nd basemen in the MLB didn't start off there in the minors).
Winston was a more real baseball prospect, but his baseball prospects paled in comparison to his football ones as a 5 star #1 ranked HS QB.
My point still remains- every year there are a multitude of HS guys who forgo playing college sports as multi sport guys to play professional baseball. Byron Buxton was a multi sport guy who went 2nd in Winstons HS class.
it doesn't help baseball's case that the NFL is the quicker route to fortune. So that surely played into the decision as well.
it doesn't help baseball's case that the NFL is the quicker route to fortune. So that surely played into the decision as well.
First off- how can it be prospect status aside? Why would Winston give up being the #1 QB in his class? It's not like Winston gave up baseball or Winslow didn't try and generally fail. They just were better football players. Passion is irrelevant there.
The second part of your statesman is just plainly false. Byron Buxton got 6 million dollars as an 18 year old. Name me the 18 year old football players getting 7 figures, because there are dozens of baseball ones every year.
As I said initially, tons of guys pick baseball over football every year.
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The real statistical anomaly is the whites who are not on the Giants defense.
How can the one instance where 15% of the population doesn't have representation be such a point of concern when 85% of the population has no representation be of no concern.? By all means let's commission a study to change the fact that Blacks aren't statistically represented on one baseball team while ignoring all the instances where they are "over representated" by a 5000 times.
The Monks said "if you give me a child until he's nine, I will program how he thinks". I believe it. There's a type of madness parading here.
The real statistical anomaly is the whites who are not on the Giants defense.
How can the one instance where 15% of the population doesn't have representation be such a point of concern when 85% of the population has no representation be of no concern.? By all means let's commission a study to change the fact that Blacks aren't statistically represented on one baseball team while ignoring all the instances where they are "over representated" by a 5000 times.
The Monks said "if you give me a child until he's nine, I will program how he thinks". I believe it. There's a type of madness parading here.
Umm... maybe because both the former and current commissioners, the players union and owners think it is a problem that they feel is impacting their sport ability to market itself particularly in urban cities. They are losing black players to the NFL and NBA and they view it as an issue.
The executives spoke on the condition of anonymity because Commissioner Bud Selig has yet to announce it.
The 17-member committee will consist of owners, executives and coaches, including Hall of Famer Frank Robinson, Chicago White Sox vice president Kenny Williams, Tampa Bay Rays owner Stuart Sternberg and Southern University baseball coach Roger Cador.
.... Major League Baseball launched its RBI program (Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities) in 1989 and has built four urban academies with three others being developed. MLB rosters are comprised of 28.2% foreign-born players - the fourth-largest total in baseball history - but still struggle to attract many of the best athletes in the United States.
For two, with the exception of the occasional whisper about managerial opportunities nobody is really arguing that black players aren't getting a shot. What they are arguing is that baseball is declining among lower middle and middle class black kids. Playing youth baseball in America has become very expensive. Andrew McCutchen had a great piece on the subject in The Player's Tribune a couple months ago. Absent a benefactor the talented black athlete from the inner city is not getting the same opportunities his suburban counterparts (white or black) are because his parents cannot afford to send him to play traveling summer ball, or to the showcase circuit, or to get him the sort of coaching that will get him noticed.
And as for Wilson and Winston, if you have elite skills and succeed at an elite level in football you're likely to be a millionaire quickly. In baseball you might get a million dollar bonus and that's great, but it'll be 7-8 years before you're getting that kind of money regularly.
The question then becomes why does it matter? I would suggest baseball has a sense of itself and of its historic importance that ties in heavily with improvements in the lot of African Americans over the last seventy years. In baseball's imagination it is simply unacceptable that the sport that brought you Jackie Robinson and a significant role (perceived or real) in civil rights could stop appealing to young black men.
This x1MM. Where's Ken Tremendous when you need him?
Anyone who thinks blacks are denied opportunities in baseball is a straight up moron.
Pro teams will sign or draft whoever they think will help them win.
Black kids are playing baseball less and less. Baseball isn't cool amongst youth in general, let alone black youth. And the cost issue has been addressed as well.
I do think that there may be an underlying, subconscious bias that exists against white athletes in football. Not so much in the fact that they don't get chances to play on the field, but that they just don't play certain positions.
Are you seriously telling me that there are no white people qualified to be an NFL starter at CB? Or is it just that they don't grow up playing that position, because for some reason, white people aren't put at CB during their youth?
It's definitely baffling in that regard.
The real statistical anomaly is the whites who are not on the Giants defense.
How can the one instance where 15% of the population doesn't have representation be such a point of concern when 85% of the population has no representation be of no concern.? By all means let's commission a study to change the fact that Blacks aren't statistically represented on one baseball team while ignoring all the instances where they are "over representated" by a 5000 times.
The Monks said "if you give me a child until he's nine, I will program how he thinks". I believe it. There's a type of madness parading here.
I don't think either is a concern. Who gives a shit what Joe Morgan himself thinks. When people point to blacks not playing baseball as a concern, it isn't because they think blacks are being denied opportunities, but more concern for the sport itself and the fact that talented athletes don't want to play it.
On a micro level, you're spot on. If you're trying to make a larger, "doubel standard", macro level point - the kind where this is some sort of snapshot or microcosm of a larger point - I think you're 10000% dead wrong for crying "double standard!" (if you are, as I'm not even sure if this is the case).