NFT: Derrick Williams to Knicks?

an outrageous overpay if true.

there's no such thing as an outrageous overpay.

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ehh see what happens i guess...could start at the 3/4 next to Melo and Lopez...

So roster looks like this so far:

Calderon/Galloway
Afflalo/Grant/Ledo
Melo/Early/Thanasis
Williams/Porzingis
Lopez

.like his toughness and Rolo's toughness too. Just hope Porzingis can handle New York.

First of all,Mohave you sen the money getting thrown around? And secondly, it's essentially a one year contract. Where else was that money going?

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Isn't 5 mil close to the league minimum??

Knicks need to unearth some quality role players out of nowhere. Hopefully this is one..

In comment 12355673 djm said:

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Isn't 5 mil close to the league minimum?? Knicks need to unearth some quality role players out of nowhere. Hopefully this is one..

Uh, no. Minimum salary is a scale based on service. Top minimum for a player with 10+ Years is @ $1.5 million. For a player with his experience it's a bit over $1 million.

His salary is around the NBA average.

jump and shoot.

So hopefully he can finally show why he was the #2 pick in the draft.

A guy like Williams is exactly why I can't understand how people get mad at the Porzingis pick. Idc if he's a Euro, college or HS player that black, white or Spanish. A ton of them become complete busts. Way more then the NFL. Glad we took a chance on the only other player with All-NBA potential outside of Karl-Anthony Towns IMO

over Mudiay, particularly with the Grant trade.

Grant's not Mudiay, but he's a great distributor and can penetrate too, albeit not as spectacularly as Mudiay.

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was the number two pick in the nba draft in 2011. yikes

surprised he's been such a disappointment

We're still really thin at C, even if Porzingis gives us some minutes there, which is not ideal at this point.

player options to players that don't warrant it. If he breaks out, he will opt out. If he sucks, he will opt in.

In comment 12355719 yatqb said:

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We're still really thin at C, even if Porzingis gives us some minutes there, which is not ideal at this point.

Aldrich fits that description. Hopefully we can bring him back.

I'll take him or Henry Sims at a cheap price over Perkins. Can we still manage to get Biyombo?

In comment 12355668 charlito said:

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.like his toughness and Rolo's toughness too. Just hope Porzingis can handle New York.

What gives you the impression that Porzingis can't handle NY? Have you watched his interviews, interactions with the media? He seems quite comfortable.

In comment 12355714 Ned In Atlanta said:

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surprised he's been such a disappointment

I lived in Tucson so I'm an Arizona fan and watch their basketball team closely. Thought he would turn into a productive player in the NBA, here's hoping he can figure it out as a Knick

as a King last year
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Sweet stroke. Surprised his 3p% isn't higher. Maybe he'll break out.

What's his defensive reputation?

In comment 12355729 CromartiesKid21 said:

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player options to players that don't warrant it. If he breaks out, he will opt out. If he sucks, he will opt in.

This. I hate player options generally, but 1+1 really makes no sense for Williams. We're not winning anything in 2015, so all we've done really is saddle ourselves with a guy who could be a huge bust for us.

Im just not feeling this signing at this price.

like 2/7 or something, but im not going to get worked up about a couple mill. I like that we continue to get younger and obviously williams still has some upside.

Hopefully the cap is 2 mill higher as Berger said might be the case. That would leave us with another 4.5 or so which could net another solid role player. Id like to see us bring in one more big and have Alrdich back.

it seems like the cap increase is helping the marginal players more than the elite players. A guy like LeBron should be making Rinaldo money, but instead a guy like Robin Lopez sees the increase.

been pretty pro-Williams this offseason, but I was expecting a 1 year 3 mil prove something type of deal. We just saddled ourselves with another issue next year assuming he opts in and doesnt produce.

Williams is a gamble but if he can get his head on right this team could be fairly decent and ready next year with an free agency pickup, to compete.

Without him I don't see much offense being generated outside of melo

There is virtually zero chance that Williams opts in next season. Even the scrubbiest of scrubs will be getting payed. Heck, look at this off season. Salaries are insane. And even in the very remote chance that Williams is so awful that he feels he won't be able to find a better deal than 1 year 5 Million, that is still hardly a back breaker with the cap going up. It will have no effect on what the Knicks want to do either way

to Williams' success is going to be upping his 3pt % and becoming a better rebounder. He's still young and both are still totally possible, but it's hard to see him having a bigger role until then.

In comment 12355825 BigBlueShock said:

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There is virtually zero chance that Williams opts in next season. Even the scrubbiest of scrubs will be getting payed. Heck, look at this off season. Salaries are insane. And even in the very remote chance that Williams is so awful that he feels he won't be able to find a better deal than 1 year 5 Million, that is still hardly a back breaker with the cap going up. It will have no effect on what the Knicks want to do either way

If he has a crappy year, he's opting in. And 5 million next year will still feel like 3.5-4 million this year, which is material. For example, with another 4 million this year we could have signed Aldridge and Lopez, or Monroe plus one of the $15 million wings.

that he's made 40% of his corner 3s since leaving Minnesota, which is a small sample size, but Phil loves him some corner 3.

not flashy but gets veteran players on the floor without screwing up the cap a lot the next few years. The exact opposite of what the Knicks have done the last 15 years.

If we could get Biyombo on a similar deal that would be interesting. If not, Aldrich at the min should do it. Who are candidates for the MLE? It seems like $2.5 wont be able to get anything in this market. Gerald green or Wes Johnson? It wouldn't be the worst thing if we didn't get a backup SF. Bring back Shved and Aldrich and I think this roster is finalized.

his defense?

Between 2-4 million depending on what the cap is....if its 70 they will have another 5 million plus they have the room exception which is 2.8 million

In comment 12355846 Semipro Lineman said:

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his defense?

Not very good but with Lopez Knicks will at least have a rim protector next to him and melo

On the offensive end it is a good fit...if they are playing a team that has 2 bigs..who does the pf guard?

Be our 3rd center. In this market I doubt u get biyombo but maybe.

Williams D is pretty crappy I believe but that is just off memory. I have nothing o back that up

If we have $5 mil. Nice triangle big that can provide defense.

And he's been a disappointment so far. He's a 3/4 tweener. He's not big enough to play the 4 and he can't defend 3s.


His strength at Arizona was his jumpshot but it's been inconsistent in the NBA. He is a can rebound the basketball if given enough minutes. He's a very poor passer. Worst aspect of his game.

O'Quinn with a sign and trade.