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NFT: Advice: Quit, or be let go?

GruningsOnTheHill : 7/4/2015 5:13 am
Hello--

I recently moved back to the US with my wife & infant daughter, and we are living on a small barrier island off the coast of FL. I took a job 3 months ago as a dispatcher at the police department on this island; they were willing to train me as I had no previous experience, and I figured it would be great having a 3-minute commute as well as relatively secure employment should the economy take another downturn.

It hasn't been an easy 3 months. Dispatching is extremely stressful--moreso in a 1 person call center like this one--and aside from learning all the 10-codes and signals needed to decipher what the officers are saying, the job requires being able to do insane multi-tasking (i.e., speaking with a complainant over the phone while simultaneously dispatching the call to a unit AND logging every development into the computer so it can be time-stamped...and have another call come in while this is happening).

I was put on notice a month ago that I was deemed to be progressing slower than I should with the multi-tasking, and that I was having too much difficulty understanding the radio traffic. Today will be the 4th of 4 observation days, whereby my supervisor is not assisting at all. I will then have tomorrow and most of Monday off, I will work Monday & Tuesday overnight with someone else, and then I will be called in to meet with the Chief on Wednesday. The Chief has told me that as the town has invested quite a bit of $$ in me, he will give me the opportunity to look him in the eye and tell him that I can accept the heavy responsibility and do the job, though he will respect me more if I tell him that I've tried my best and that it isn't for me...

Yesterday we were slammed due to the holiday, and i am expecting more of the same today. I did not do well. My supervisor told me that while she doesn't make the final decision, she will recommend I be let go, and when I wondered out loud if I should go to meet with the Chief on Monday morning, she immediately asked, "What will you say to him?" I deferred at that point and did not give her a straight answer.

As a side note I will be a bit relieved when this is over, as it has been affecting my sleep. Kudos to anyone who does this work, and I can clearly see why there are so many openings in this profession.

I've never been in this position before. Now that I've outlined the background, is it better to have them let me go as opposed to me making the decision to "quit"? The health insurance is great, and I'm not sure how long I can keep it (paying a larger portion, of course) after my employment ends. I'm hoping that an HR person or someone with experience in this area can offer advice as to how I should proceed.

Thanks, and have a great weekend.
Sorry to read about your dilemma.  
BlueGuy : 7/4/2015 5:39 am : link
If you are let go, do you have enough time in for unemployment? For me, that would be the only factor to consider.

If you are worried about your resume, don't be. Simply delete the job from your history. Easy enough to do. Worse to explain why you got canned.

Hope that helps. I feel for you, man.
Dispatching  
illmatic : 7/4/2015 5:42 am : link
is a really difficult job to do. And it's certainly not for everyone. I'd actually say a pretty low percentage of the population can actually do all of the training, remember everything that has to be done, work fast enough with computers, be calm under pressure, handle the stress, etc. There's no shame in it if you think it's not for you. It sounds like it isn't going well and it's not really a good thing if a job is affecting your sleep and all that. Even if you "make it", your supervisors seem like the type who could potentially get rid of you fairly quickly at the first sign of trouble. So it doesn't seem like it would be a very secure job in that sense. The job is only secure if you remember every bit of your training at all times and don't mess anything up.

I say that as someone who has been a dispatcher as well. Though they do it differently at your station. At ours, we have about a half dozen people working at once. There's only one police dispatcher and they don't take calls, other people do and they log it into the computer for the police dispatcher to give out on the police radio. I'm assuming your department is a small one if they have you doing both... but I certainly couldn't imagine doing both at once and wouldn't want to. It's dangerous for the officers if you have to split your attention like that and it just makes the job harder on you. For people who have done this for a long time, it might be easy. For someone like you who is new to it, that's a difficult task. Granted, I don't know all of the details about your station and your work setup and all that but still.

Unless you really love the job, and it doesn't seem like you do, I would probably say quitting is the better option. Consider putting in your "two weeks" or whatever it would be soon before they make a decision for you. That way you can leave on your own terms and you can possibly list the job on your resume. I think it's a good job/experience to have. You can make up your own reasoning to future employers about why you left. Whereas if you're basically fired for not performing well enough, that obviously doesn't look quite as good. But that's just me. Don't leave the job just because I said so, haha. It's something to really think about, just consider all of the pros and cons. But if they're already saying they want to let you go, the pros for staying don't seem too hot in my opinion. I guess there's always the chance that they're only saying that to see if you can handle it or as a way to see if it will up your performance a little more but I doubt that would be their reasoning.

Honestly, if you leave on your own terms, you might be able to find work at another city/county as a dispatcher sometime. But at a place where you only need to focus on one thing at a time - like solely dispatching or taking calls. It sounds like that would make the job easier and less stressful for you. Plus you already have this experience and you would know what to expect which would make training at the next place easier. At least that would be an option in the future if you wanted that.

But really, it's a very difficult job and it only becomes "easy" when you really memorize everything that you have to do. And be able to do it without even thinking about it. Three months isn't really enough time to learn all of that, in my opinion. But I can't speak for your employer. I guess whatever they do works for them and they have their own regulations. But maybe someone with HR experience or something like that would be able to help you out as far as decision goes. I can only speak about the job and what I've seen in it when I worked in it for a while. Best of luck to you.
no shame in  
bc4life : 7/4/2015 7:21 am : link
walking away if it isn't for you. and I do not think leaving things off of your job record (deception by omission) is ever a good thing to do.

If you're trying your best and isn't for you - then you have a decision to make.

It can be an extremely difficult and stressful job. It certainly is not for everyone. Good luck.
Don't quit  
bob_in_ec : 7/4/2015 7:35 am : link
Sorry to learn of your dilemma - It sounds to me that there is an advantage to your employers if you quit rather than them having to go through the process of letting you go. You may be eligible for unemployment insurance if you are released. You have a wife and child - It may be in your best interest to allow your employers to take action. It's always easier to get a job while you have a job - are you looking for your next job?
Offer to submit your resignation  
Mike in NY : 7/4/2015 7:42 am : link
Explain to the Chief that while you have worked very hard to pick up all the skills needed to become a successful dispatcher you realize that it is not coming as quickly as would be ideal and because of the rigors of the position you deem it in the best interest of everyone and the community as a whole to resign so that they may hire someone better for the position. You want to be able to use them as a reference and I know I work better with someone who can acknowledge their limitations rather than making me think he/she can do something he/she cannot and then it makes more work for me untangling everything
I wouldn't quit  
pjcas18 : 7/4/2015 8:10 am : link
if you plan to collect and are eligible for unemployment.

I believe if you quit you are not eligible
Quit  
Headhunter : 7/4/2015 9:25 am : link
Life's too short
RE: Don't quit  
Giants2012 : 7/4/2015 9:57 am : link
In comment 12355790 bob_in_ec said:
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Sorry to learn of your dilemma - It sounds to me that there is an advantage to your employers if you quit rather than them having to go through the process of letting you go. You may be eligible for unemployment insurance if you are released. You have a wife and child - It may be in your best interest to allow your employers to take action. It's always easier to get a job while you have a job - are you looking for your next job?


+1. - take the advice above

They are trying to manage you out. Don't quit.
Is it you??  
The Natural : 7/4/2015 11:16 am : link
Or is the training not sufficient??

I know that you are being hard on yourself, but have you been given all the tools necessary to be successful??
If you don't have an immediate  
Stufftherun : 7/4/2015 11:31 am : link
fall back and you qualify for unemployment you most certainly should swallow your pride and take the pink slip. Family first, pride second or wherever it may fall in this scenario.

Best of luck GOTH.
RE: Dispatching  
AcidTest : 7/4/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12355782 illmatic said:
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is a really difficult job to do. And it's certainly not for everyone. I'd actually say a pretty low percentage of the population can actually do all of the training, remember everything that has to be done, work fast enough with computers, be calm under pressure, handle the stress, etc. There's no shame in it if you think it's not for you. It sounds like it isn't going well and it's not really a good thing if a job is affecting your sleep and all that. Even if you "make it", your supervisors seem like the type who could potentially get rid of you fairly quickly at the first sign of trouble. So it doesn't seem like it would be a very secure job in that sense. The job is only secure if you remember every bit of your training at all times and don't mess anything up.

I say that as someone who has been a dispatcher as well. Though they do it differently at your station. At ours, we have about a half dozen people working at once. There's only one police dispatcher and they don't take calls, other people do and they log it into the computer for the police dispatcher to give out on the police radio. I'm assuming your department is a small one if they have you doing both... but I certainly couldn't imagine doing both at once and wouldn't want to. It's dangerous for the officers if you have to split your attention like that and it just makes the job harder on you. For people who have done this for a long time, it might be easy. For someone like you who is new to it, that's a difficult task. Granted, I don't know all of the details about your station and your work setup and all that but still.

Unless you really love the job, and it doesn't seem like you do, I would probably say quitting is the better option. Consider putting in your "two weeks" or whatever it would be soon before they make a decision for you. That way you can leave on your own terms and you can possibly list the job on your resume. I think it's a good job/experience to have. You can make up your own reasoning to future employers about why you left. Whereas if you're basically fired for not performing well enough, that obviously doesn't look quite as good. But that's just me. Don't leave the job just because I said so, haha. It's something to really think about, just consider all of the pros and cons. But if they're already saying they want to let you go, the pros for staying don't seem too hot in my opinion. I guess there's always the chance that they're only saying that to see if you can handle it or as a way to see if it will up your performance a little more but I doubt that would be their reasoning.

Honestly, if you leave on your own terms, you might be able to find work at another city/county as a dispatcher sometime. But at a place where you only need to focus on one thing at a time - like solely dispatching or taking calls. It sounds like that would make the job easier and less stressful for you. Plus you already have this experience and you would know what to expect which would make training at the next place easier. At least that would be an option in the future if you wanted that.

But really, it's a very difficult job and it only becomes "easy" when you really memorize everything that you have to do. And be able to do it without even thinking about it. Three months isn't really enough time to learn all of that, in my opinion. But I can't speak for your employer. I guess whatever they do works for them and they have their own regulations. But maybe someone with HR experience or something like that would be able to help you out as far as decision goes. I can only speak about the job and what I've seen in it when I worked in it for a while. Best of luck to you.


Great post. Best of luck with whatever you decide.
RE: I wouldn't quit  
Gman11 : 7/4/2015 3:16 pm : link
In comment 12355809 pjcas18 said:
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if you plan to collect and are eligible for unemployment.

I believe if you quit you are not eligible


I don't think you can collect unemployment if you are let go for poor performance, but I'm not positive about that.

You may want to ask if there is another job there with an opening that you can transfer to.
Yes you can collect UI if let go for poor performance  
Deej : 7/4/2015 3:24 pm : link
that would be a spectacular loophole.

Eligibility can be tricky. Usually it's something like a minimum amount of compensation over 4 of 6 or 4 of 8 quarters. Not sure how they do it if you've been out of state (paying into UI somewhere) or overseas (not paying into an American UI pool). Also, not sure how it works for public employees. There may be a parallel system for them.
They can't deny you unemployment for poor performance  
steve in ky : 7/5/2015 12:11 pm : link
Make them fire you and collect you owe it to your family.

I would also check to see if there is any kind of contracted severance that you may be eligible for if fired.

IMO it is a big red flag that they re going to such lengths of intimidation to get you to quit rather than simply firing you.
...  
christian : 7/5/2015 12:22 pm : link
Your unemployment claim can be denied, but it's pain for the employer to do so, and usually it will only be denied if you leave willingly.

I would sit down with the employer and express to them your willingness to continue, but that if they are dead set on you leaving, you will under the agreement they will not deny your claim. But make sure you've worked there long enough to file a claim and know the number you are getting.
RE: ...  
steve in ky : 7/5/2015 2:02 pm : link
In comment 12356477 christian said:
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Your unemployment claim can be denied, but it's pain for the employer to do so, and usually it will only be denied if you leave willingly.


It can be denied for some reasons but not for simply not having the ability to a job to their satisfaction. Things like insubordination, refusal to do what is expected for the position, etc can be reasons for challenging unemployment benefits and yes it is a hard drawn out process which many employers don't bother with even if they possibly had a valid reason.
3 months ago?  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/5/2015 8:51 pm : link
I don't know of one island that isn't with county dispatch for anything. If it's that small, you just cant handle the job. That simple.
ctc  
steve in ky : 7/5/2015 8:55 pm : link
I think he basically has already admitted to that.
RE: ctc  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/5/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12357131 steve in ky said:
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I think he basically has already admitted to that.


Steve I realize that.

We are talking a low pressure job.
Sounds like this might be a constructive discharge situation  
Hammer : 7/5/2015 9:36 pm : link
That'll get you unemployment even if you leave. If leaving voluntarily is the road you want to travel, just make the claim with the unemployment people that they over supervised you and made your conditions of employment so unbearable (use the word onerous) that any reasonable person would have quit.
I doubt he gets unemployment  
Deej : 7/5/2015 9:46 pm : link
he only worked there 3 months and then overseas before that. You usually many more quarters/weeks of work to qualify for unemployment. He should look into eligibility before making any last stands just for the benefit of getting fired.

Also, dollars to donuts he's on some official probation period, which could also alter unemployment entitlement and/or any stigma over getting fired. E.g. rather than getting fired he may be able to say he did not get a permanent offer, or that after the training/trial period he realized it wasnt he job for him. Sounds like they're inviting him to quit so he doesnt have to tell people he was fired, with no downside since he prob cant get UI
RE: Sounds like this might be a constructive discharge situation  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/5/2015 9:57 pm : link
In comment 12357186 Hammer said:
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That'll get you unemployment even if you leave. If leaving voluntarily is the road you want to travel, just make the claim with the unemployment people that they over supervised you and made your conditions of employment so unbearable (use the word onerous) that any reasonable person would have quit.


HAH, HAH That is good stuff.
Deej  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/5/2015 10:05 pm : link
Exactly right.

Even if he is union, he has a probation period. I would say for a government job it would be a year.
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