NFT: Knicks Chat! RoLo and Williams are Knick

We got Robin Lopez, might not be the most talented guy but I love the way he plays. Now to bring Aldrich back or try to get another big on the cheap

"Knicks are grasping at straws" is so obnoxious. Like we are the first team to take a shot on a former number two pick.

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"Knicks are grasping at straws" is so obnoxious. Like we are the first team to take a shot on a former number two pick.

I disagree, the Williams signing is exactly that a desperate move. There's nothing wrong with the truth. It is the reality of the situation. He is a bust that hopes to prove himself at the NBA level in a new spot, nothing wrong with that either. Knicks are in need of help in nearly all phases so beggars can't be picky.

A former #2 pick to a pretty small contract a desperate move? A desperate move would have been say signing Rondo to 10 mill or overpaying some other get type.

think there's anything desperate about it. I think 10 mil is about 4 mil too many, but that's nitpicking. He clearly has a ton of athletic ability and is only 1 year older than our rookie, Grant.

but I cant see how we benefit from this. 2016 is the goal -- a healthy year of Melo, Porz and Grant showing something, RoLo and Afflalo (if he opts in/resign) meshing, and then a new batch of FA dollars.

Williams at $5 million is either gone or a bad deal. He isnt sticking around to be out bargain. I could like with 5/1 or 10/2, but 5/1 with another 5/1 player option robs us of the potential upside in this upside signing. I also dont like it because worst case scenario he isnt a rotation player and may not help take the load off Melo on big PFs.

If by some miracle the light bulb goes off for Willams the Knicks would greatly benefit. Sometimes you can get lucky with this kind of move. You never know. Knicks pulled guys like Starks and mason from their ass maybe it happens again.

Who was out there that you'd spend $8-9 million on? The Knicks have room to add one more role player, hopefully a big man, and the MLE to bolster our bench? It's a low risk/medium reward type of move, because if he plays well he's giving us solid production on a cheap contract.

There's really no major options in FA next year other than a handful of SGs that aren't worth the max. So if he plays well, we have the inside track to keeping him without having to worry about room to spare. In all likelihood, Afflalo opts out and we can then use his money in addition to the cap increase to upgrade the 2.

And happy 4th fellas.

The Knicks would hold it Williams developed this year and opted out next. Knicks would be in great position to re-sign him. You think Williams would just walk away from the team that finally unearthed his talents?

the bar for desperation has been reset to a new level.The Mets signing Jason Bay or the Knicks signing Eddie Curry were desperate moves. This falls under the category of a move without any adjectives

Ledford said Robin, whose personality is personified by his wild, big hair, became instant buddies with Knicks president Phil Jackson after they met Thursday in Los Angeles. The Zen Master has his eccentric side, too.
�I know they hit it off in that respect,�� said Ledford, a 6-foot former world-class swimmer at Stanford in the 1960s. �Rob and Phil will get along very well. Phil and Derek Fisher, they had a great conversation. Derek seemed a man of class. Robin enjoyed it.��
Robin, 28, will be the center of attention in the Big Apple after spending the last two seasons in the small market of Portland. His mother said Knicks fans will get a kick out of Lopez, who is known more as a lunchpail center than an elite one. Robin and Brook both shared the frontcourt at their mother�s alma-mater.
�It played very well in Portland � it�s a quirky city,�� Ledford said of Robin�s personality. �Robin is comfortable in his own skin. We come from a family that is artistic and athletic and not one-dimensional. And New York is the most diverse city in the world.��

If Williams and Afflalo both opt out, we have $33 million in cap space. Where is that going to go to? There are no PGs other than Conley who are available who is probably going to re-sign because most contending teams have PGs already, and hopefully Grant shows he is capable of starting at PG.

There a a couple of free agent SGs that are intriguing. Eric Gordon, Mayo, and Wilson Chandler are just a few of the options available off the top of my head. If we don't like Afflalo as much as we do for those guys, we can land one of those guys, but it should not be more than $15 million by any stretch for those guys.

That leaves $18 million (assuming we spend the rest of our cap space this year on long term contracts, could be $20 million + if not). If Williams breaks out, we have enough to offer him to stay. If not, we have that money to play around with an upgrade at PF.

thinks KP could start



�He really doesn�t have a position,�� one NBA personnel director said of Williams, who is considered a poor defensive player. �He�s the size of a 3, but really a 4. But he�s only 24 and he finally had a solid year.��
Anthony still doesn�t have a legitimate secondary scoring option. Lopez is not that type of player. Greg Monroe, who spurned the Knicks on Thursday, would have filled that role.
Instead, Lopez is a solid, active center and � dare we say it � is not dissimilar to Tyson Chandler.
�He was the best option left on the board they realistically could get,�� one NBA executive said. �It�s hard to say how the fit is considering how many holes they still have for the future. But he runs the floor, blocks shots, [has a] super motor and [is] comfortable doing the dirty work.��

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thinks KP could start �He really doesn�t have a position,�� one NBA personnel director said of Williams, who is considered a poor defensive player. �He�s the size of a 3, but really a 4. But he�s only 24 and he finally had a solid year.�� Anthony still doesn�t have a legitimate secondary scoring option. Lopez is not that type of player. Greg Monroe, who spurned the Knicks on Thursday, would have filled that role. Instead, Lopez is a solid, active center and � dare we say it � is not dissimilar to Tyson Chandler. �He was the best option left on the board they realistically could get,�� one NBA executive said. �It�s hard to say how the fit is considering how many holes they still have for the future. But he runs the floor, blocks shots, [has a] super motor and [is] comfortable doing the dirty work.��

I've said before that I think KP played a huge role into the Ro Lo signing. He makes it possible for KP to go out there and play his game without banging with Centers.

I remember reading one fan's account of running into RoLo at Disney land by hinself. He went to the park alone to just ride roller coasters and stuff.

Both twins attend Comic Con every year and are huge batman fans.

I couldn't remember where I read it from, until I just googled it again. Bill Simmons mailbag (RIP Bill)

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For our senior trip, my high school graduating class went to Disneyland for the day. We entered the park at 7 a.m. and thirty minutes later saw Robin Lopez in line for a ride by himself wearing a Chip n� Dale Rescue Rangers shirt. (I am still baffled there exists a market for seven foot men who want to wear shirts with Disney characters on them). Being from Arizona we wildly greeted him, as he had absolutely bombed for the Suns two years prior, to which we received the least enthusiastic wave in recorded history. Several hours later we saw a jovial Asian family riding the River Rapids ride with Robin Lopez as the sixth person on the ride. The sheer comedy of a diminutive Asian family and a seven foot NBA player with a red afro sharing the same ride cannot be explained, it seriously might have been the funniest thing I have ever seen. At 10 PM I again saw him completely alone, and again tried to start a conversation with him, which he completely ignored. In case your keeping track, that�s 13 hours at Disneyland, completely by himself, wearing a children�s T-shirt. �Daniel Skelly, Scottsdale

Good in the triangle? Afflalo is a strong midrange shooter. He hit 46.1 percent of his midrange shots last season -- the tenth-highest percentage in the league (minimum 200 attempts).

Afflalo�s field-goal percentage in the midrange was nearly seven percent higher than the league average (39.6 percent).

The midrange shot, of course, is considered one of the least valuable in basketball among many analysts. For better or for worse (worse, mostly), the Knicks relied heavily on the shot during their 17-win season.

New York ranked fourth in the NBA in field goal attempts per game between 15-19 feet last season.

If the Knicks continue this trend next season, Afflalo could benefit.

Carmelo�s second option? For most of his 4 � seasons in New York, Carmelo Anthony hasn�t had a consistent secondary scoring option. Recent history suggests Afflalo may fill that void.

Anthony and Afflalo were on the court together for 119 games between the 2009-10 and 2010-11 seasons with the Denver Nuggets.

The Nuggets were +231 in 2,624 minutes with Anthony and Afflalo on court together during that span.

Afflalo seemed to thrive on the perimeter in his last season with Anthony. He shot 47.6 percent from 3-point range in 2010-11 when on the court with Anthony and 38.2 percent from beyond the arc when he wasn't on the court with him.

(He is a career 39 percent 3-point shooter.)

Coming off of a subpar season? Afflalo had a career season in 2013-14 in Orlando. He scored 18 points per game and hit 42 percent of his 3-point attempts. He struggled last season, though, scoring 13.3 points per game on 42 percent shooting.

Afflalo recorded a PER of 10.9 in 2014-15. That was the third-to-last among 107 players with at least 2,000 minutes in 2014-15 -- a troubling number for New York.

Numbers suggest that Afflalo had a tough time on defense last season. He ranked 73rd among shooting guards in defensive RPM, a measure of a players impact on team defense. In 2013-14, Afflalo ranked 65th among shooting guards. This may be problematic for a Knicks team that struggled to defend the perimeter last season.

You gotta love some RoLo.

be pretty cool if Zinger was able to start from Day 1.

This team a playoff team in a weak east.

In comment 12355907 jamesmichaelworm said:

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This team a playoff team in a weak east.

It's really hard to say. Really depends on what Afflalo and Calderon we see, how much Grant/KP are able to contribute, and how Galloway, Williams and Shved(if returns) develop. It's really a wait and see.

Heat and Pacers will be a lot stronger, so we'd have to bank on the celtics and nets to stay the same or get a little worse. The Raptors and Wizards were both God awful post-all star break last year so we gotta hope that trend continued. Wizards lost Paul pierce but the Raptors gained Carroll, so we'll see how those two play out. I think Washington has a huge chance of falling off from what strides they made last year.

In comment 12355877 djm said:

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If by some miracle the light bulb goes off for Willams the Knicks would greatly benefit. Sometimes you can get lucky with this kind of move. You never know. Knicks pulled guys like Starks and mason from their ass maybe it happens again.

That would be great, but I agree with Deej - the contract structure doesn't favor us. It's 2 years, so if he sucks we're on the hook for year 2. He's got an opt out after '15, so if he does bounce back he likely walks.

Only thing to keep in mind is what happens with the Giants very often. Just because you'd like to get favorable terms on a contract doesn't mean the player will give them to you. People scream about our one year contracts as if Reese can magically force these guys to sign 3 year min contracts, and it's no different here. If Williams had options, then maybe the Knicks had no choice but to commit a second year to him.

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be pretty cool if Zinger was able to start from Day 1.

I think he has to start the whole year, even if he struggles. Sink or swim. He's a talent. I don't know what you gain if you protect him from minutes, and I don't know if I believe in learning from the bench.

And, Phil's old school. He lived through an era where Rookies were kept in a closet. My hope is that he lets the kid play.

The Mavs threw Dirk out there, and even though he suffered, it paid dividends the next year.

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This team a playoff team in a weak east.

Is this a question. Does your question mark key work.

Last season, the popular gif because of the Phil Jackson acquisition was



I think it's only fair to seamlessly change that gif to this

Letting him start and giving him 25 minutes a game. I'm certainly hoping he can contribute but the worst thing that can happen to an athlete is losing his confidence. Having him go up against the Dwight Howard's and David Wests of the NBA at the start of each game may not be the best way to build up his confidence. But I certainly hope he receives 25 minutes a game at least

50% shooting in 1st summer league game.

Myles Turner: 20 points, 8 rebounds and 3 blocks in 1st game.

David Wests defense is only good in reputation at this point. Dwight Howard, on the other hand, is still a dominant big and should be considered a different animal than West. Luckily, it would be Robin Lopez starting against Dwight Howard, and not KP.

In what situation would that ever happen?

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Haha. When someone asks you to take care of something that means to douse it in gasoline and light it on fire. Why doesn't anybody get that?

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In what situation would that ever happen?

Umm on switches?

I was using those 2 more as examples of beefy guys with ridiculous strength. I was just saying those types of players could physically dominate him. I mean I could be wrong, but those are my thoughts. We have to wait and see what happens and what Phil does. Hopefully he plays in summer league so we can gauge how he will do against bigger guys.

It's a good short term tryout for a talented player.

He's not really a PF though. He's a bit like a cheaper version of Tobias Harris. But he should bring us some scoring. A better version of Lance Thomas. He won't ever be a star but he can be a rotational guy.

you'll find KP's strengths defensively (whatever they are) right now is his lateral ability for his size. I wouldn't be surprised if he plays most of his minutes at the 3 this year, with Melo at the 4.

is a true tweener and it's unusual a guy like that (who isn't a good defender) succeeds without a 3 ball. Coming out he had some David West comps, West took a while to develop but he's a rare 3/4 tweener. I'd say David West is the kind of player you pray Williams can somehow mimic.

Then it really doesn't matter whether or not KP starts.

I think KP will be fine starting with Ro Lo at Center. Whether or not KP actually starts is a completely different story.

My gut says not in the beginning of the season but he will at some point.

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In comment 12355939 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In what situation would that ever happen? Umm on switches? I was using those 2 more as examples of beefy guys with ridiculous strength. I was just saying those types of players could physically dominate him. I mean I could be wrong, but those are my thoughts. We have to wait and see what happens and what Phil does. Hopefully he plays in summer league so we can gauge how he will do against bigger guys.

How often do Centers and Power Forwards switch? Even then, that is coaching. We don't have coach Pussy Lips here anymore so I doubt we will switch on every single pick and roll. If we are worried about KP going up against guys on switches then we should be concerned about Lopez switching onto PGs or having Calderon guard Howard. KP will not be guarding Howard by our design so there really is no point to bring it up. If you bring that up then all the other possibilities should be brought up. We can take this further. If you are worried about Howard going up against KP then what about the other end of the court. Lets get Howard guarding KP so we draw him out of the paint which will open things up for Melo down low. It works both ways.

think KP eventually is a 5

loved the KP pick but if Fisher can't carve out at least 15 minutes per night I am going to be furious. Really hope it's not a Vonleh situation where they say the guy is raw and then never plays

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think KP eventually is a 5

Which is why his "ceiling" is so high. There are few things more valuable than a Center who can stretch the floor on offense and protect the rim on defense.

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think KP eventually is a 5

Imo, that is a long way away. He needs to fill out and get much stronger. As another poster pointed out, he might even play some at the three. I think that would be more likely than having him at the five this year.

wouldn't worry about position anyway. If he's good, he's good. No need to make "decisions"

in there to sink or swim. One of those two options is drowning to death. It's like the people who want to rush baseball prospects. One Mets poster always says if you can hit at A/AA, you can hit in the majors. It just ignores player development.

Put Porz in a position to develop properly. Garnett played 28 minutes as a rookie w/ only 43 stars, and 38 minutes as a 2nd year guy all starting. Dirk started half his rookie games and averaged only 20 mpg. Aldridge played only 22 mpg as a rookie w/ 22 starts.

Every prospect analyst said that Porz would take some time to develop and physically mature. The development of Porz should not be compromised for 2015-16 success.

Would you want KP working more with the first team or second team? With the second unit he would be fed the ball more and the offense would probably move through him a lot. I think he would be better with the first team for the majority of the time though. Having Lopez out there helping him out would be a plus. Melo would take the pressure off of him offensively and should get him open looks. What do you guys think?

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The development of Porz should not be compromised for 2015-16 success.

People who are making the case for him to start are doing so for the exact opposite reason of this. They are saying they should risk this seasons success and start KP, even though he won't be the best option and will hit a wall because it will pay dividends in the future.

which is what we always expected.

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Would you want KP working more with the first team or second team? With the second unit he would be fed the ball more and the offense would probably move through him a lot. I think he would be better with the first team for the majority of the time though. Having Lopez out there helping him out would be a plus. Melo would take the pressure off of him offensively and should get him open looks. What do you guys think?

I would want him on the 2nd team if they find a vet 5 to play next to him off the bench....coming off the bench allows him and grant to play off each other without having to worry about play off melo...he can be the focal point off the bench

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in there to sink or swim. One of those two options is drowning to death. It's like the people who want to rush baseball prospects. One Mets poster always says if you can hit at A/AA, you can hit in the majors. It just ignores player development. Put Porz in a position to develop properly. Garnett played 28 minutes as a rookie w/ only 43 stars, and 38 minutes as a 2nd year guy all starting. Dirk started half his rookie games and averaged only 20 mpg. Aldridge played only 22 mpg as a rookie w/ 22 starts. Every prospect analyst said that Porz would take some time to develop and physically mature. The development of Porz should not be compromised for 2015-16 success.

Huge difference between "sink or swim" and him not playing. Noah Vonleh (physically underdeveloped and raw) appeared in 25 games, 10 minutes per night. Anthony Bennett played 12.8 minutes per night as a rookie only appearing in 52 games. I don't see that being a positive.

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which is what we always expected.

So what position is he playing with the Spurs. Isn't Duncan their PF?

Duncan - LMA - Leonard - Green - Parker, with a bench of Manu, Diaw, Corey Joseph, and probably some veterans who sign there to win a title. Yikes.

if he can be a 35 mpg player, great. Anything less than 20 mpg is troubling. He should absolutely be in the rotation. I just dont think he should be force fed time under a sink or swim philosophy. He could develop bad habits defensively if you put him in situations where he'll be helpless (like guarding ZBO).

don't see any reason KP can't play the same amount Exum did at 19, 22 minutes per night

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Duncan - LMA - Leonard - Green - Parker, with a bench of Manu, Diaw, Corey Joseph, and probably some veterans who sign there to win a title. Yikes.

I don't know if they can keep Joseph and manu

give him 30-35 minute come hell or high water then you might encourage bad characteristics. Guys should fear that if they dont play "right", they wont play at all.

On the floor is that jumper he is going o be a great floor spacer at minimum...so if his defense is just average he is going to play

Manu what money we have left. Trade chip baby! (Well aware he has no reason to take that or come here)

Think his "position" as a rookie will be matchup based. Some 3's are going to be too quick and some 4's too physical. You won't have him guarding Lebron or ZBO

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give him 30-35 minute come hell or high water then you might encourage bad characteristics. Guys should fear that if they dont play "right", they wont play at all.

You also don't want him playing scared in fear his ass will get planted to the bench if he messes up. It's a two way street.

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On the floor is that jumper he is going o be a great floor spacer at minimum...so if his defense is just average he is going to play

Novak got 18-20 minutes a night here, so if he cant at least fill that role as a rookie we have a lot to be worried about. Im hoping for like 20-25 mpg as a sub, with starts and more minutes towards the end of the year.

At 22 mpg is quite impressive

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to see Porzingis in game action. Summer league - I'll take it!

like matchups, injuries, flow of the game, professions, etc. With that said, I think ideally you want him to be the first big off the bench (obviously not at center though) so he gets some time with the vets at the end of the first quarter and beginning of the second quarter with a guy like Grant as has been stated earlier. Same goes for the second half. Slowly start to increase his role as he proves he can handle it and maybe even insert him as a starter with only a slight increase in minutes. Maybe increase his playing time at the end of games if he gets hot or shows to be a plus on the court to build his confidence. If you can slowly increase his minutes up to about 30 by the end of the year from the low 20s then I think that would be ideal. Well, ideal other than the fact that if he can be superstar right out of the gate.

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At 22 mpg is quite impressive

Oh he was horrid. But at least he played decent minutes.

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In comment 12356022 AnotherGiantsFan said: Quote: At 22 mpg is quite impressive Oh he was horrid. But at least he played decent minutes.

I'm genuinely impressed that the Jazz managed to give him that many minutes with how bad he was. Good on them. It's a lot easier to say it than actually do it.

haven't been this excited about the Knicks in a while.

Two exciting rookies, three FAs, Melo's return, cap space next year. Things are looking up. Going to try to watch as much summer league ball as possible.

Not profession ... progression.

And he got 27 minutes a game and shot 37% and 32% from 3. A year later he shot up to 43% and 36% from 3. I think it's important to give these guys minutes.

Charlotte handled Vonleh very poorly. They gave a washed up bet Marvin Williams minutes that they could've given to Vonleh. Let him out there and figure shit out as he goes. Was disappointed on how Charlotte handled him and Zeller, tho they gave Zeller more responsibility this year and he showed improvement. I hope Portland continues to develop Vonleh properly.

super bullish on Vonleh. It's too bad he had a year under Crean. That's pretty much an entire year of wasted development.

take a raw project in a year with "okay" expectations in terms of wins/losses and then not have him play. Do it fish!

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sorry for useless info.

years 80, opt out after 3 for LMA

a monster of a team next year. A Spurs vs. Warriors matchup is going to be really interesting to watch because it'll be small-ball vs. big-ball. IMO, the Spurs just became the team to beat.

isn't on board

Add Fabolous to the list of New York Knick fans completely flabbergasted by team president Phil Jackson�s decision to use the fourth pick in the 2015 NBA Draft on Latvian forward Kristap Porzingis. The Brooklyn emcee shared his thoughts on the selection with HipHopDX's Cherise Johnson during Roc Nation and Samsung�s private event during BET Awards Weekend.

�I didn�t really see it,� Fabolous said. �I don�t got a crystal ball or nothing, but that wasn�t the pick that I saw. I hear the Knicks have a different plan, but I thought they would grab one of the Duke or Kentucky kids�one of the young ballers and give the city a little bit more faith that it�s gonna be a change from last year. I think they traded Tim Hardaway, Jr. It�s a couple different moves. I don�t have the right understanding of it, but maybe they know something that I don�t know.�

So his opinion means little to nothing..

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super bullish on Vonleh. It's too bad he had a year under Crean. That's pretty much an entire year of wasted development.

It was the worst year for him to be a 1 and done. There were no shooters aside from Yogi on the roster and he'd get doubled in the post almost every time, but he wasn't disciplined and would just bowl over defenders and rack up offensive fouls. He's one heck of a rebounder and defense though, which is baffling to me why he didn't receive any minutes in Charlotte even if his offensive game was stil under development.

Not defense

I think the "typical" NY fans that think Phil is a dumbass and is screwing anything up are the same ones that think Tim Hardaway junior is a good basketball player.

Not anything.

Stupid autocorrect

As I am anyone else. I think he's going to play himself onto the roster. He's a foul machine, but he has a lot to offer as an energy guy. He did some nice things in the DL.

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As I am anyone else. I think he's going to play himself onto the roster. He's a foul machine, but he has a lot to offer as an energy guy. He did some nice things in the DL.

He's a 3 and D guy who doesn't have the 3 yet. High energy, great defensive effort, can run the court. Offense stanks but I think IF he can improve from 3 he can be interesting. If not he's just an extra guy.

Was he doesn't have a clear understanding. And who the fuck is fab.

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And is actually sorta decent at it. Him getting a 3 into his arsenal scares the shit out of me, but I don't think that's an end all be all for him either. He can do a lot of other things.

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And is actually sorta decent at it. Him getting a 3 into his arsenal scares the shit out of me, but I don't think that's an end all be all for him either. He can do a lot of other things.

I dunno, I watched him a few times last year and it seems like his handle is below average for a guy who doesn't have a big time shot from the outside. He's aggressive offensively, confident but I think he's going to have trouble scoring on the NBA level without an improved jumper

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But he is far and away my favorite mixtape emcee. He waters down his music a lot for his retail releases, but is a completely different person on his mix tapes. Just a great flow and punchlines.

in on Jason Smith

Melo
Afflalo
D Williams
Zinger
Grant
Early

Anyone else? Or are all the rest of last year's guys FAs?

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Melo Afflalo D Williams Zinger Grant Early Anyone else? Or are all the rest of last year's guys FAs?

Sorry - Calderon too.

Calderon/grant
Afflalo/Galloway
Melo/early/thanisis(basically)
Williams/KP
Lopez

I think that's it.

To TOR for 2/6. Wow the league doesn't think as much of him as BBI does. I would have loved him for that to backup Lopez but obviously we didn't have much interest. Guess I'm on board the O'quinn bandwagon now.

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I think the "typical" NY fans that think Phil is a dumbass and is screwing anything up are the same ones that think Tim Hardaway junior is a good basketball player.

I am absolutely astonished that there is anyone at all, let alone Knicks fans, who thought Hardaway was anything other than garbage.

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Calderon/grant Afflalo/Galloway Melo/early/thanisis(basically) Williams/KP Lopez I think that's it.

Thanks.

think we have enough money for O'Quinn anymore. I'm sure the Magic will match anything for the about 5 mil we have left.

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To TOR for 2/6. Wow the league doesn't think as much of him as BBI does. I would have loved him for that to backup Lopez but obviously we didn't have much interest. Guess I'm on board the O'quinn bandwagon now.

I think a lot of people liked him at about $4 million, so 6 for 2 years isnt particularly out of line. When he wasnt qualified at 5.5, you had to figure the market was set below that.

is balling out right now in the summer league

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is balling out right now in the summer league

Lol, 1-5 and 2 points is balling out?

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In comment 12356139 Jon in NYC said: Quote: is balling out right now in the summer league Lol, 1-5 and 2 points is balling out?

BALLING.

OUT.

That was essentially our MLE. Magic now have Vucevic, Gordon, Harris, Frye, Dedmon and even Harkless to an extent sharing time at the 4 and 5. I'd throw an offer sheet out just in hope that the magic don't see him as someone that might get many minutes for them.

in his debut. Stanimal 13-4r-3a assists. Aaron Gordon a monster 22-18r-2a. Frank 2-9 but 9 rebounds in 15 mins.

When is the Knicks first summer league game? I think someone said July 11?

The Vegas Summer League runs from July 10 - 20.

Frank the Tank is officially balling out now.

7-14 19 points and 10 boards in 21 minutes

Looking to trade for Roy Hibbert yikes!!! Remember when everyone overrated Hibbert. Now he's being threatened to be benched by the pacers. And the desperate Lakers after striking out in free agency might take him. How the might have fallen. Tyson Chandler should be embarrassed for being abused by this guy in the playoffs.
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Sources: Free agent Kyle O�Quinn has agreed to a four-year, $16M deal with New York. Knicks acquire him in sign-and-trade with Orlando.
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4m4 minutes ago
Sources: As part of O'Quinn sign-and-trade, New York will send Orlando cash and the right of swap a second-round draft pick in 2019.

Always love the local guys.

Nice pieces. The NY Daily News who have an ongoing vendetta with Jim Dolan will harp on all the big names that Phil Jackson and his 11 rings were snubbed by. I think this has been a great job by Phil Jackson

Higher than everyone this year except Mudiay, who is also 99. Porzingas is 96. Hernangomez is a 90. Williams got a top score for "NBA ready."

"Williams� blend of size and his pure talent scoring the ball on offense will make him a viable option in the NBA."


Here's hoping he can be a decent 3-4 backup, who just needed time to mature. He did play better at the end of last year, and he certainly should be motivated.

is tough and aggressive. This is getting fun.

"Over a five-game stretch with Nikola Vučević out with a back injury between December 2 and December 12, O'Quinn started all five games and subsequently averaged 15.4 points and 6.8 rebounds per game."


Can he play backup center at all?

We are clearly going to need a minimum salary center. Aldrich?

Hope he's enjoying a dog and a beer this evening.

Nice job getting O'Quinn for basically nothing and extending him. Enjoy your break, Phil. You've earned it

Lopez at the 5, too.

Phil is doing work! Forget all the haters.

No more money left, right?

We're tougher and more athletic than we were 3 days ago. Screw anyone who's pissed that we didn't get the shiny

At 4 mil per? May be my favorite acquisition of this FA period. Phil doing work. We still have that 2.8 mil to use right?

Seriously, cash and a swap of #2s? Wow.

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No more money left, right?

2.8 million exception

We could make some noise. This should be a fun season with no expectations.

And whoever else was bullish on O'Quinn deserves some credit for this. Guarantee you Phil was scouring through New York area sports forums for some ideas.

!!!!

I really think that in 3 years people are just going to be scratching their heads about how we got him for $4 million. I think he's going to be hugely productive.

Better days are ahead.

The question do Knicks use the exception for a back up 5 or try to find another shooter...

Calderon/grant
Afflalo/Galloway/ledo
Melo/early/thanasis
O'Quinn/williams
Lopez/porzingis

The Knicks don't start O'Quinn or sit RoLo or O'Quinn separately so one of them is always on the floor. Hopefully bring back Aldrich to get some more depth and a few minutes a game.

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or are they unusable because we're back up to the cap?

zinger, Williams and Melo there are plenty of minutes to be had at the 4. We need one more wing and then call it a day. Afflalo is going to need to put up big scoring numbers.

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Same here. Phil said he didn't want to change the WHOLE team. Shved and Aldrich know the system and are useful parts.

than Monroe at 16 M. For a team whose biggest achilles heel was defense, we just got two great defenders as opposed to a guy who was just offense.



I also am pumped about Derrick Williams. It's hard not to get excited when you read that scouting report...and the guy is still 24. He could still realize his potential.


Bring on the Summer League!

About free agency & the draft. Finally it seems this team is being built the right way. Hopefully somehow Phil can lure an All-Star or a guy with All-Star potential in next year. If Grant & Porzingis do enough to justify their draft position & we get one more star player I think we can make a nice playoff run in 2016. Melo & one more star, plus the two young draft picks & a decent amount of depth. I could see us finishing in the top 4 in the East.

Look out.

I really them to resign shved. I really like his game a lot. He is very crafty, reminds me of a poor mans Manu ginolbli. Obvious needs to add some muscle, but showed a lot of skill and high Bball IQ.

In comment 12356272 Big Rick in FL said:

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About free agency & the draft. Finally it seems this team is being built the right way. Hopefully somehow Phil can lure an All-Star or a guy with All-Star potential in next year. If Grant & Porzingis do enough to justify their draft position & we get one more star player I think we can make a nice playoff run in 2016. Melo & one more star, plus the two young draft picks & a decent amount of depth. I could see us finishing in the top 4 in the East.

Only thing missing is our first rounder (and our second rounder). Can't believe we gave it up for Andrea Bargnani. The NBA should force the Raptors to return the pick for sheer stupidity alone. God, if we lose a lottery pick for Bargnani, I will legit. throw up.

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And whoever else was bullish on O'Quinn deserves some credit for this. Guarantee you Phil was scouring through New York area sports forums for some ideas.

Sarcasm, right?

Yeah that really does suck. I don't think it's going to be that high this year anyway. I think we finish somewhere between the 6-8 seed. So we could probably buy a pick around that area or give up a Hardaway Jr type player for a top 20 pick hahahaha what a trade.

The onlybreal aging vet role player is calderon..


The vets they have signed are young

I'd like to finish up with another big man and a shooter. Thinking withey and Alan Anderson.

For bringing Shved and Aldrich back. We may be a work in progress but it sure is going to be a fun team to watch develop

O'Quinn/williams
Lopez/porzingis

You can't list Porz to get mins at the 5 yet. It isn't going to happen for a while. As in years.

We have a team built intelligently for a change. Keep making smart moves and this can possibly get turned around a little faster than anticipated. It's still going to take a couple seasons and KP has to deliver down the line or we'll be a pretender rather than a contender.

For the first time in ages I am looking toward the future with optimism. I never believed in Woodson or the makeup of those rosters.

I am expecting either Aldrich or Smith back. I highly doubt they want to use Porzingis at the 5 so we need some kind of depth behind Lopez. I think O'Quinn is 6-10 so maybe they think they can get away with using him there? Definitely seems we need one more big.

But he is foul prone, which is why we still need one more big.

of thing we should be doing. Phil's given out reasonable to good contracts to almost every one this offseason, and the one gamble is Williamd, who I'm still cautiously hopeful about. He needs to figure out that he's not going to be a go to scorer so he'll have to improve his three ball and become more efficient given less than heavy usage.

Not bad, not bad. Enough to strike out on Durant with

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In comment 12356253 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: And whoever else was bullish on O'Quinn deserves some credit for this. Guarantee you Phil was scouring through New York area sports forums for some ideas. Sarcasm, right?

Yes sir

that's a fairly rugged, blue collar front court depth chart

Listened to me! KOQ!

Phil Jackson loves KOQ

Love when Bbi Knicks thread gets happy. We got some lunchpail junkyard dog players --- very nice.

I thought cap space available was more like 25? Even if 17 we have to assume afflalo and Derrick Williams are 99 percent opting out with higher cap so that would leave us 30 million under the cap

Opting out we should have close to 30. Plus we can stretch Calderon and at that point we would save like 5 mill. Of course with the opt outs you only have Melo, Lopez, Grant, KP, early, Oquinn. Cap hold on Galloway would be really small and you may have thanisis only taking up like a mill. Plus the guy we took in the second should be coming over. We are in pretty good shape right now for once.

We had a way to pick up Koufos also who is still out there. Lopez, O'Quinn and Koufos would be one tough group.

I think he just agreed on a 4 year deal with The Kings. 4 years 33 mil?

Just signed with the Kings. 4/33 I think.

Labeyrie. He supposedly has some ability. Hope he plays summer league.

I think he's still available.

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I think he's still available.

agree Withy would make sense but do we have the cap space? What is he expected to get?

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Labeyrie. He supposedly has some ability. Hope he plays summer league.

Labeyrie doesn't seem to be a 5, though. From the Post recently:

"During their stop in Utah on the Knicks� recent trip, young 7-foot-2 Frenchman shotblocking center Rudy Gobert, who is emerging as a stud, spoke glowingly and excitedly about Labeyrie in a quick interview with The Post.

Gobert shares the same agent as Labeyrie, and the two played together on the French 20-and-under national team.

�He wants to play in the NBA and I know he can, I don�t know if it can be next season, but maybe, yeah,�� Gobert said. �I haven�t talked to him about it yet. He�s more of a power forward than center, though. He�s not a center.

�He�s athletic and can drive and can shoot. I think he�d like to be in New York. I was happy for him.��

I doubt he's ready, but who knows?

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Gotta question how good this guy is

5.3 points 3.6 boards 26% from 3 (supposedly the basis for much of his offense) 0.63 blocks in 16 minutes per

Why was he only getting 16 minutes per game as a 23 year old on some French team?