NFT: Knicks Chat: Big KOQ joins the Knicks

Hibbert will play every game with LA like he's playing against Tyson Chandler and just skull fuck the opposing center on a nightly basis. I'm thinking 2nd team all NBA and dpoy award for hibb...

Play half decent in that series we go on to the next round still sting that we lost that series

And other FA steals.
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I hope he's right, but I am not confident. Need to find something Derrick does well.

But Fat Ray got beat off the dribble time and time again which caused Chandler to come to his man leaving RH wide open time and time again. We made no adjustments for someone else to provide "help D"

In comment 12356455 manh george said:

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I hope he's right, but I am not confident. Need to find something Derrick does well.

Lowe makes a comparison that I've been thinking about as well: Al Harrington.

If he can own the stretch 4 role instead of trying to force himself into being a SF, he can be a very valuable player next to Melo.

I dislike the contract more than the player.

But one thing to remember is that role players often shine when they're confined to reasonable roles. If Melo and Afflalo carry the scoring, Lopez and KOQ sure up the interior D, and Grant and Calderon provide some floor generalship, Williams could flourish doing the things he is good at -- average defense, very good in transition, efficient inside scoring, and maybe a corner 3. Just need to get the ball stopping out of him.

we're working on Shved and Smith. I wonder why not Aldrich. I suspect it's because he'd need to 2.8 that we've earmarked for Shved. Aldrich's rates were fantastic last year.

In comment 12356459 Deej said:

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I dislike the contract more than the player. But one thing to remember is that role players often shine when they're confined to reasonable roles. If Melo and Afflalo carry the scoring, Lopez and KOQ sure up the interior D, and Grant and Calderon provide some floor generalship, Williams could flourish doing the things he is good at -- average defense, very good in transition, efficient inside scoring, and maybe a corner 3. Just need to get the ball stopping out of him.

I'm admittedly a novice with respect to the triangle, but Williams seems to be the one guy who doesn't really fit out of those we've signed...assuming a good fit = good passing and shooting ability, with one on one ability less important. With athletic big men who can pass and play defense. But what do I know, in Jax we trust...seems like Williams is a gamble on upside. The rest of the guys we signed seem to be a good fit

In comment 12356457 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 12356455 manh george said: Quote: I hope he's right, but I am not confident. Need to find something Derrick does well. Lowe makes a comparison that I've been thinking about as well: Al Harrington. If he can own the stretch 4 role instead of trying to force himself into being a SF, he can be a very valuable player next to Melo.

Harrington was a consistent 3 ball shooter. Massive difference. I think Williams is closer to David West starter kit.

In comment 12356463 Deej said:

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we're working on Shved and Smith. I wonder why not Aldrich. I suspect it's because he'd need to 2.8 that we've earmarked for Shved. Aldrich's rates were fantastic last year.

Lakers were reportedly in on Smith but with Hibbert going there maybe that ends that? I liked Shved (and did in Minnesota) but you always have to be concerned with good numbers on awful team guys. I'd still bring him back

has always reminded me of a poor man's Oakley

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 1m1 minute ago
One player, who hadn't heard about the David West to San Antonio rumors, got wide-eyed when he found out. Said, "Are you f***ing serious?!"

In comment 12356466 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12356457 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 12356455 manh george said: Quote: I hope he's right, but I am not confident. Need to find something Derrick does well. Lowe makes a comparison that I've been thinking about as well: Al Harrington. If he can own the stretch 4 role instead of trying to force himself into being a SF, he can be a very valuable player next to Melo. Harrington was a consistent 3 ball shooter. Massive difference. I think Williams is closer to David West starter kit.

No Sharrington was a career .350 3 pt guy. Williams is at .301, so he has a ways to go, but it's definitely on the upswing. Last year it was at .314, and supposedly he was hitting .400 from the corner.

was slow to gain 3 point range (first few seasons couldn't shoot from 3 at all but the 3 ball was a MAJOR part of his game in his prime. 06 he shot 43% from 3, 07 he shot 38% from 3, 08 36% from 3, 2010 36% (and was always a high volume 3 point shooter). Williams 29% in 2013, 31.4% in 2014. Hopefully it represents an upswing but Harrington absolutely had the 3 ball as a major part of his game.

al harrington ‏@cheddahcheese7 Jul 2
I'm just saying tho. NYC. NYC isn't appealing. Yeah there's pressure, the fans & media gonna talk shit. But who cares what they say! HOOP!
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al harrington ‏@cheddahcheese7 Jul 2
I'll bust yo ass...! 😆RT @BartJPL06: @cheddahcheese7 @nyknicks man your prime is over go home and take a nap
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al harrington ‏@cheddahcheese7 Jul 2
Phil Jackson give me a call. I'll play for the @nyknicks... Don't understand how dudes don't wanna play in the MECCA! #confused #thegarden

Fits the triangle because he is a good cutter and mover without the ball....he will score most of his points on cuts and in the open floor

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 3m3 minutes ago
The #Knicks have also been in constant contact with Lou Amundson's representatives about bringing him back for next season, per sources.

I never know who is saying what, lol.

Is Harrington dissing NY?

In comment 12356483 PhiPsi125 said:

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I never know who is saying what, lol. Is Harrington dissing NY?

No, he's saying he would love to play for the Mecca

but really love the offseason the Knicks have had.

I watched at least 25 ND basketball games last year and Jerian Grant is a stud. He constantly took really hard shots when the shot clock was about to expire, thus deflating his FG 3pt% a bit. He's a lights out shooter who is going to space defenses while also playing unselfish and keeping the ball moving around. Him and Melo are going play off each other really well.

It was unrealistic to expect to get a LA or DJ type in FA after the year the Knicks had. Give kudos to Phil Jackson for having a clear backup plan and acquiring solid players (a few with upside) on very reasonable contracts. It's a clear change in approach from how the Knicks have handled things the past decade.

I think they'll finish 5-7 in the terrible east (although that'll mean 42-46 wins).

Somehow, someway, someone has a highlight reel of his that's almost 10 minutes long from last year.

I just want someone to occasionally serve up a facial on the opposing team, lord knows 95% of our offense will be Melo's mid-range jumpers.

Not too familiar with O'Quinn, but from the clips apparently he manages to score and rebound without actually leaving the floor.

Too really like what Phil has done but this team offensively figures to be tough to watch outside of Zinger playing

If this team is to have any kind of future, they need to prove that they can get scoring away from Melo in the triangle and with motion, passing and screens from the big guys.

They have to be able to prove that a couple of quality players next year would turn this into a solid team, and they have to reduce the risk of Melo having a bad stretch or being out with an injury.

They don't accomplish that by letting Melo be a hog.

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In comment 12356468 DanMetroMan said:

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has always reminded me of a poor man's Oakley

Really? I dont know a lot about KOQ. Statistically, Oakley was more of a rebounder but KOQ is a way better rim protector. Offensively Oakley had that excellent midrange game that KOQ doesnt have yet.

Getting really excited watching OQuinn's entry passes. Really, really impressive. If he can get that mid/3 range improved then people will have to play him closer, and that entry pass will be deadly. Looks like Phil is really getting pieces that could work together as a team.

In the first 2 SL games. I know it's just SL but he looks like a big boy that can grind it out with the pro's. Stroke looks good.

Kyle O'Quinn: "Of course I grew up a Knicks fan! If you�re from NY, you gotta grow up a Knicks fan. My first NBA game was NY vs ORL at MSG.

Like Oakley is broad and physical with below average hops. OQuinn actually has good hands/touch. I think he's going to surprise people. I really do. Not saying he's Oakley 2.0, just similarities

In comment 12356502 manh george said:

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If this team is to have any kind of future, they need to prove that they can get scoring away from Melo in the triangle and with motion, passing and screens from the big guys. They have to be able to prove that a couple of quality players next year would turn this into a solid team, and they have to reduce the risk of Melo having a bad stretch or being out with an injury. They don't accomplish that by letting Melo be a hog.

No disagreement.. The issue is they don't have actual scoring talent. Affalo's offense is long jumpers, Lopez is mostly a garbage man etc etc

Melo is fantastic. He's not LeBron, but he's a really great player who I've come to appreciate a ton. He has generally had shitty supporting cast. But when he has any talent he gets his teams to the playoffs. Melo squeezed 54 wins out of group that had JR-Felton-Chandler-Q-Novak-Prigioni-Shump as the other top at minutes guys. Melo is not a problem and does not need to be managed closely.

People love LMA, but he had Lillard, Batum, and Lopez, Matthews and more. Shit, Anthony Davis missed the playoffs 2 years ago as a 25 PER player. And Dirk missed the playoffs 3 years ago.

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Melo is fantastic. He's not LeBron, but he's a really great player who I've come to appreciate a ton. He has generally had shitty supporting cast. But when he has any talent he gets his teams to the playoffs. Melo squeezed 54 wins out of group that had JR-Felton-Chandler-Q-Novak-Prigioni-Shump as the other top at minutes guys. Melo is not a problem and does not need to be managed closely. People love LMA, but he had Lillard, Batum, and Lopez, Matthews and more. Shit, Anthony Davis missed the playoffs 2 years ago as a 25 PER player. And Dirk missed the playoffs 3 years ago.

In fairness Dirk doesn't miss the playoffs 3 years ago without getting hurt. Played only 47 games and they missed the 8 seed by 4 games.

He's a great talent but has hogged the ball far too much, and can't play defense much either. It will be interesting to see if he undergoes a metamorphosis in the triangle. If not I'd be willing to trade him for the right haul.

it or not the Kings have quietly had a nice off-season so far

NBA Legion ‏@MySportsLegion 1h1 hour ago
Cavs and Nets are discussing a trade that will send Joe Johnson to Cleveland. (via @WindhorstESPN)

Cavs like joe but it would cost them an absurd amount with the luxury tax- the nets are putting their players names out there and trying to get a contender to take one- he's an expiring they likely wait til mid season

In comment 12356563 DanMetroMan said:

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In fairness Dirk doesn't miss the playoffs 3 years ago without getting hurt. Played only 47 games and they missed the 8 seed by 4 games.

True. But I've got more examples -- 2014/15 Heat with 106 games from Wade+Bosh, plus Deng, plus Whiteside, plus 1/3 of a season of max money Dragic, win 37 games in a gutted East. Indeed, the post-Shaq pre-LeBron Heat lived in the 40-50 win zone even with Wade. 2005/06 Wolves with a healthy, 27 PER Garnett win 33.

When Carmelo has a good supporting cast he's been a consistent 50-60 win guy. 4 straight in Denver and another time in NY.

Hard not to root for this kid after reading this.


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the Knicks can move Calderon salary next summer

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Well this season and some playoff bound team who is in need of a veteran PG due to injury comes calling. Happens every year usually

In comment 12357277 TommyWiseau said:

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Well this season and some playoff bound team who is in need of a veteran PG due to injury comes calling. Happens every year usually

Bulls could be a potential spot if they can't get Brooks back. Given Kyrie's situation Cleveland could use him.

Would love to see Joe Johnson in Cleveland. But usually when the rumors come about and nothing follows up after that the talks usually fall apart. I think Eric Gordon would be a solid player off the bench for them but I don't see what advantage NO would have to unload him with nothing of value in return.

before the summer, but it doesnt really matter all that much. If we use the stretch provision on him next summer he will only count for like 1.5 on the cap. At least that means the knicks wont feel like they have to throw in assets to get rid of him. If a team will take him great, but if not its not that big of a deal.

Remember, the goal is to finish somewhere better than the lottery-area since no draft pick

Right now they look, on paper, like they really need some offensive ability. If there's a deal to be made, great, but if not, you still need to win games.

Matt Moore CBS ‏@MattMooreCBS 5m5 minutes ago
Report: Raptors, Cory Joseph agree to four-year, $30 million deal