Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 9m9 minutes ago
JPP has burns on palm, 3 fingers. 1 finger could have nerve damage. Didn't lose any fingers, team thinks he'll be OK, per @DanGrazianoESPN.
Nerve issue in a palm or finger tip could easily mean loss of touch sensation which isn't likely to effect his ability to tackle someone. If he didn't wildly mess up his hand this won't change his game at all.
The Giants have always been wise when constructing contracts for risky guys and any long term deal with JPP was always going to protect them. This isn't going to change anything if he's ok.
Before this incident there were 3 groups of fans
1) offering him the tag was a mistake, he had 1 amazing year, hasn't stayed healthy and isn't worth 15 mm
2) 15 mm for 1 yr is a smart move. Jpp doesn't deserve a long term deal. He played well down the stretch. He'll be motivated and produce.
3) sign him long term. He's a good not great player. He is a difference maker and we need him.
I was in group 2). My mind has changed. I'm now in group 1) regardless of if he can play.
the salary cap doesn't make an exception for your star DE blowing up fireworks in his hand.
not to be insensitive or racist (though I in no way see how this can be construed as racist but on this site everything is racist), depending on the severity the Giants need to consider rescinding the FT.
maybe work out a one-year deal.
How would the greatest fans on the planet react to potentially losing their best player on defense?
A prayer/get well thread (to a person who will never see it)? I think it's pretty implied that all Giants fans are hoping for the best possible outcome for JPP, but at the same time are wondering the football impact and I don't think that makes anyone a bad fan.
I didn't see anything racist, but if there were racist comments that's disgusting and not representative of a fan base.
Nerve issue in a palm or finger tip could easily mean loss of touch sensation which isn't likely to effect his ability to tackle someone. If he didn't wildly mess up his hand this won't change his game at all.
The Giants have always been wise when constructing contracts for risky guys and any long term deal with JPP was always going to protect them. This isn't going to change anything if he's ok.
Very little chance he gets a long term deal now, unless he comes very, very cheap.
RE: A thread about a guy nearly blowing his hand off
someone as 'unsophisticated', and then a comment about gold chains, I guess the thinly veiled racism just doesn't exist on this board.
I'm not saying racism doesn't exist and I'm not saying it doesn't exists on BBI, but the poster explained afterwards he considered Shockey unsophisticated as well. I'd never use that term to describe an athlete but how is that racist?
unveiled, thinly veiled or any veil.
seems like sometimes people are over sensitive and just jump to the "that's racist" determination.
anyway, I'm done with this. everything comes down to race on here.
If weston Richburg spent the offseason away from the team while instagramming pictures of fireworks vans and gold chains he would be an ass hole too. God damn it nobody is racist we are all just pissed as usual that JPP is an immature lazy and sometimes fat player on the team we all root for. Go to the archives and read what everyone else said about Shockey all the time and get off your high horses with your white knight racism shit.
until the unfortunate and stupid comment about gold chains. I don't know how that isn't to be taken as a racist remark. Did he have to say 'fried chicken' too for it to qualify?
So your point is if Pierre Paul plays poorly and he's hurt badly, the Giants won't pay him well?
Not at all. My point is JPP didn't help his case at all today if he's trying to get a longterm deal with the Giants. Ordering a van full of fireworks and nearly blowing your hand off is enough to scare off most teams, and that definitely includes a team like the Giants.
that comment also screams of an elitist douchebag at best. I have a suspicion that he threw in Shockey to cover his tracks. I find it quite peculiar that he has recently gone right after Flowers (and his dad), and has a hard on for piling on JPP.
Thank you I thought I was going crazy. It's like these dudes think they are this enlightened subset of the population by finding racial bias in everything that is said about a black person.
RE: I know he responded saying Shockey was as well
that comment also screams of an elitist douchebag at best. I have a suspicion that he threw in Shockey to cover his tracks. I find it quite peculiar that he has recently gone right after Flowers (and his dad), and has a hard on for piling on JPP.
well you know him better than I do, I just don't like to jump to conclusions about people, especially in terms of racism. not much worse than being labeled a racist. especially if not true, it reminds me of the salem witch trials. someone randomly or with little evidence says "witch" and it's a death sentence.
So only black people wear gold chains? I don't know how old you guys are or what quiet suburb you live in but I'd say that >80% of the population of NYC males between the ages of 20-30 wear a gold chain. Black, White, Hispanic, etc.
Again . Get off your high horses and stop being the morality police.
If JPP never put on a chain in his life he is still be an asshole.
A year from now if JPP replicates his productivity from last year he'll be paid top 5 at his position and the Giants will be a big a player for his services. Burning his hand on a firework isn't going to stop the NFL from paying a good player.
The MAN is 26 years old. We're not talking about some bad decision of rushing into marriage, investing in a ponzi scheme or buying a house you can't afford. We are talking lighting off fireworks carelessly to the point of severely damaging your hand. What's next advising him not to play in the street??? Come on.
As someone pointed out the last time I heard about this was Coleman who was throwing firecrackers at the Mets beat writers in LA that injured that little girl. I think Coleman handlers tried that whole "youthful" angle but no one was buying it.
seems like sometimes people are over sensitive and just jump to the "that's racist" determination.
anyway, I'm done with this. everything comes down to race on here.
PJ...Exactly. You can't say anything here without someone twisting it into racism. Then again, who gives a shit what a few jackasses on a Giants message board think?
But if the Giants don't go after him as hard or ultimately don't land him, that'd be cool with me. Too risky. This proves the doubts are legitimate. Don't trust him.
A year from now if JPP replicates his productivity from last year he'll be paid top 5 at his position and the Giants will be a big a player for his services. Burning his hand on a firework isn't going to stop the NFL from paying a good player.
I'd prefer those resources to go to a player or players who have proved to have brains in there heads when making everyday decisions ... This isn't hard to figure out ... The NYG's will not make poor investment decisions ... Right now this guy is a defaulted credit ... I bet he wishes now that he had signed and agreed to whatever terms were initially offered ... All you can see is a declined value at this point ... And from a standpoint of trust, you have to question the thought process ...
They could structure any possible extensions for Prince and Eli to eat the hit just fine in 2016.
I'm not one to normally care about guys being douchebags, morons, etc, but the Giants (or any team) would be just as dumb as he is to invest in a major longterm deal for him.
As I mentioned Big Ben riding motorcycle without helmet. STUPID. Brady cliff diving. STUPID. And of all of them, Brady is certainly old enough to know better. Both things probably more stupid than playing with fireworks when you're a million dollar athlete. But not by much.
Of course I hope JPP is OK, and his playing career resumes unaffected, and I'm not among those yelling for the Giants to get rid of him.
Just always amazes me how these guys who have the talent to have these lucrative careers seem to invent new stupid ways to jeopardize them.
This is the same Giants team that paid Plaxico Burress
while knowing behind the scenes what kind of headcase he was for the team, and concealing it for years. We only found out after he was long gone what kind of problem he was.
I don't think we need to equate this to a drug problem, or a domestic disturbance police call. He's never been arrested, he's never failed a substance test, he's never been a story in the newspapers before now and from what we've been told he's a good teammate and locker room presence.
RE: This is the same Giants team that paid Plaxico Burress
while knowing behind the scenes what kind of headcase he was for the team, and concealing it for years. We only found out after he was long gone what kind of problem he was.
I don't think we need to equate this to a drug problem, or a domestic disturbance police call. He's never been arrested, he's never failed a substance test, he's never been a story in the newspapers before now and from what we've been told he's a good teammate and locker room presence.
No one is saying he is a bad person. But it's not a stretch to see why the Giants were hesitant to give him a longterm deal in the offseason, and an incident like this likely just reaffirms their stance. It will be interesting to see what happens next offseason. But with a conservative franchise like the Giants, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they let someone else sign him, especially if someone else is offering him a bigger contract.
Based on what some in the know have said, most of the reason the
team hasn't shown JPP the money this offseason is because of their concerns regarding his maturity, commitment, etc. I highly doubt this incident is going to ease their worries.
And, hey, maybe they actually learned something from giving Plaxico an extension when they didn't even have to touch his contract at the time.
By all accounts,JPP is a good guy. He may or may not be the hardest working or one who makes the best decisions but he hasn't been suspended,arrested,etc. So he is a big kid and does immature stuff. I hope this teaches JPP a hard lesson and he straightens himself out and becomes the best football player he can be for the NY Giants. This is not even close to carrying a concealed weapon and shooting yourself.
my point is more that those types of problems are what the team
looks to avoid. Childish mischief is correctable. I think they make a distinction between 'bad guy' and 'knucklehead'. If they wanted to pay him, this probably wouldn't change their mind.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
RE: This is the same Giants team that paid Plaxico Burress
while knowing behind the scenes what kind of headcase he was for the team, and concealing it for years. We only found out after he was long gone what kind of problem he was.
I don't think we need to equate this to a drug problem, or a domestic disturbance police call. He's never been arrested, he's never failed a substance test, he's never been a story in the newspapers before now and from what we've been told he's a good teammate and locker room presence.
Tossing 1st rd picks that are 100lbs smaller into cold tubs sounds like a great teammate. Bet he wished he had some ice now !
I don't know how I can sit down at table with him and his agent and take him seriously while discussing a lucrative long term contract. Without looking at him and then at his hand and then back at him.
RE: my point is more that those types of problems are what the team
looks to avoid. Childish mischief is correctable. I think they make a distinction between 'bad guy' and 'knucklehead'. If they wanted to pay him, this probably wouldn't change their mind.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
The ship has sailed for his big pay day as each day moving fwrd from this incident only lessens the value of his worth. He would of been smart to agree to terms that were probably already offered and rejected by his camp.
RE: my point is more that those types of problems are what the team
looks to avoid. Childish mischief is correctable. I think they make a distinction between 'bad guy' and 'knucklehead'. If they wanted to pay him, this probably wouldn't change their mind.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
No one said he might go to jail in the future. It's just about maybe not trusting someone who hasn't completely grown up yet, which last night proved in spades. If anything, last night hurt the chances of the Giants changing their mind and making a long term commitment on the guy.
JPP has burns on palm, 3 fingers. 1 finger could have nerve damage. Didn't lose any fingers, team thinks he'll be OK, per @DanGrazianoESPN.
So he has nerve damage in one finger?
The Giants have always been wise when constructing contracts for risky guys and any long term deal with JPP was always going to protect them. This isn't going to change anything if he's ok.
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Before this incident there were 3 groups of fans
1) offering him the tag was a mistake, he had 1 amazing year, hasn't stayed healthy and isn't worth 15 mm
2) 15 mm for 1 yr is a smart move. Jpp doesn't deserve a long term deal. He played well down the stretch. He'll be motivated and produce.
3) sign him long term. He's a good not great player. He is a difference maker and we need him.
I was in group 2). My mind has changed. I'm now in group 1) regardless of if he can play.
the salary cap doesn't make an exception for your star DE blowing up fireworks in his hand.
not to be insensitive or racist (though I in no way see how this can be construed as racist but on this site everything is racist), depending on the severity the Giants need to consider rescinding the FT.
maybe work out a one-year deal.
How would the greatest fans on the planet react to potentially losing their best player on defense?
A prayer/get well thread (to a person who will never see it)? I think it's pretty implied that all Giants fans are hoping for the best possible outcome for JPP, but at the same time are wondering the football impact and I don't think that makes anyone a bad fan.
I didn't see anything racist, but if there were racist comments that's disgusting and not representative of a fan base.
The Giants have always been wise when constructing contracts for risky guys and any long term deal with JPP was always going to protect them. This isn't going to change anything if he's ok.
Very little chance he gets a long term deal now, unless he comes very, very cheap.
The irony here is that this comment is coming from one of the most notorious homophobes on this site.
He almost lost fingers, and yet I'd still trust him more than some people who've posted their opinions in here.
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becomes about "racism." Typical BBI.
The irony here is that this comment is coming from one of the most notorious homophobes on this site.
Says you. And coming from you, that means less than nothing. Go stalk someone else, weirdo.
And they'd be idiots to do so. Let's see him play really well first, which is far from a guarantee and even was before this.
I'm not saying racism doesn't exist and I'm not saying it doesn't exists on BBI, but the poster explained afterwards he considered Shockey unsophisticated as well. I'd never use that term to describe an athlete but how is that racist?
unveiled, thinly veiled or any veil.
seems like sometimes people are over sensitive and just jump to the "that's racist" determination.
anyway, I'm done with this. everything comes down to race on here.
Not at all. My point is JPP didn't help his case at all today if he's trying to get a longterm deal with the Giants. Ordering a van full of fireworks and nearly blowing your hand off is enough to scare off most teams, and that definitely includes a team like the Giants.
well you know him better than I do, I just don't like to jump to conclusions about people, especially in terms of racism. not much worse than being labeled a racist. especially if not true, it reminds me of the salem witch trials. someone randomly or with little evidence says "witch" and it's a death sentence.
Again . Get off your high horses and stop being the morality police.
If JPP never put on a chain in his life he is still be an asshole.
This thread is about a moron blowing off fireworks in his hand. End of story.
As someone pointed out the last time I heard about this was Coleman who was throwing firecrackers at the Mets beat writers in LA that injured that little girl. I think Coleman handlers tried that whole "youthful" angle but no one was buying it.
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seems like sometimes people are over sensitive and just jump to the "that's racist" determination.
anyway, I'm done with this. everything comes down to race on here.
PJ...Exactly. You can't say anything here without someone twisting it into racism. Then again, who gives a shit what a few jackasses on a Giants message board think?
We have bad luck, for sure. My only thing on Beatty v JPP is that Beatty was trying to get better for the team. He want being irresponsible.
It's a couple steps away. Kindly fuck off Bill, if you're going to twist my comments.
I'd prefer those resources to go to a player or players who have proved to have brains in there heads when making everyday decisions ... This isn't hard to figure out ... The NYG's will not make poor investment decisions ... Right now this guy is a defaulted credit ... I bet he wishes now that he had signed and agreed to whatever terms were initially offered ... All you can see is a declined value at this point ... And from a standpoint of trust, you have to question the thought process ...
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Holy shit
It's a couple steps away. Kindly fuck off Bill, if you're going to twist my comments.
It's not even in the same neighborhood
But it is a good way to shield someone from criticism I suppose.
I'm not one to normally care about guys being douchebags, morons, etc, but the Giants (or any team) would be just as dumb as he is to invest in a major longterm deal for him.
Of course I hope JPP is OK, and his playing career resumes unaffected, and I'm not among those yelling for the Giants to get rid of him.
Just always amazes me how these guys who have the talent to have these lucrative careers seem to invent new stupid ways to jeopardize them.
I don't think we need to equate this to a drug problem, or a domestic disturbance police call. He's never been arrested, he's never failed a substance test, he's never been a story in the newspapers before now and from what we've been told he's a good teammate and locker room presence.
I don't think we need to equate this to a drug problem, or a domestic disturbance police call. He's never been arrested, he's never failed a substance test, he's never been a story in the newspapers before now and from what we've been told he's a good teammate and locker room presence.
No one is saying he is a bad person. But it's not a stretch to see why the Giants were hesitant to give him a longterm deal in the offseason, and an incident like this likely just reaffirms their stance. It will be interesting to see what happens next offseason. But with a conservative franchise like the Giants, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they let someone else sign him, especially if someone else is offering him a bigger contract.
And, hey, maybe they actually learned something from giving Plaxico an extension when they didn't even have to touch his contract at the time.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
I don't think we need to equate this to a drug problem, or a domestic disturbance police call. He's never been arrested, he's never failed a substance test, he's never been a story in the newspapers before now and from what we've been told he's a good teammate and locker room presence.
Tossing 1st rd picks that are 100lbs smaller into cold tubs sounds like a great teammate. Bet he wished he had some ice now !
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
The ship has sailed for his big pay day as each day moving fwrd from this incident only lessens the value of his worth. He would of been smart to agree to terms that were probably already offered and rejected by his camp.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
No one said he might go to jail in the future. It's just about maybe not trusting someone who hasn't completely grown up yet, which last night proved in spades. If anything, last night hurt the chances of the Giants changing their mind and making a long term commitment on the guy.