By all accounts,JPP is a good guy. He may or may not be the hardest working or one who makes the best decisions but he hasn't been suspended,arrested,etc. So he is a big kid and does immature stuff. I hope this teaches JPP a hard lesson and he straightens himself out and becomes the best football player he can be for the NY Giants. This is not even close to carrying a concealed weapon and shooting yourself.
I tend to agree with Marty here. Being a dumb ass with fireworks is pretty common. When I was young, I took stupid chances too.
RE: RE: my point is more that those types of problems are what the team
looks to avoid. Childish mischief is correctable. I think they make a distinction between 'bad guy' and 'knucklehead'. If they wanted to pay him, this probably wouldn't change their mind.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
The ship has sailed for his big pay day as each day moving fwrd from this incident only lessens the value of his worth. He would of been smart to agree to terms that were probably already offered and rejected by his camp.
Well that's not true. He could have a great season, in which case he'd get paid what he wants from someone.
RE: RE: RE: my point is more that those types of problems are what the team
looks to avoid. Childish mischief is correctable. I think they make a distinction between 'bad guy' and 'knucklehead'. If they wanted to pay him, this probably wouldn't change their mind.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
The ship has sailed for his big pay day as each day moving fwrd from this incident only lessens the value of his worth. He would of been smart to agree to terms that were probably already offered and rejected by his camp.
Well that's not true. He could have a great season, in which case he'd get paid what he wants from someone.
You are probably right, but I hope it is not us and if history proves correct the NYG's will not get into a bidding war over an umbecile.
If the guy is stupid now is $15 million a year going to cure that?
Should have moved him two years ago. This would have been someone else's embarrassment.
Still waiting for extending Burress and having Strahan back for that final year to bury the team, eh?
Extending Burress when they didn't have to and banking on him in 2008 actually did end up blowing up in their face (or in his sweatpants), so I'm not sure what Terps would be waiting for there.
Breh dogged it pretty much throughout that season, save opening night, and then shot himself off the field down the stretch, when the team wasn't in position to find a suitable replacement for him/his role.
Is fine and cleared by the Giants.. how fast do you think he runs in and signs his franchise tender?
I was going to ask does he even need to inform the Giants of his injury updates. I thought he took his physical just a few weeks ago when he was at the facility. The only thing left was for him to sign the tender.
And then the Giants summarily cut him, making great work of a well-crafted team friendly contract, that had little to no long term cap impact. Which then didn't impact their medium term success, both on the field or financially.
The point is it's intellectually lazy to say "trade all the dumb guys" when the market place is full of early 20s, entitled athletes. It's a calculated risk market, where you leverage your investments as much as possible.
The idea that dumping JPP two years ago is a sound football or financial premise is about the most foolish football comment I've seen posted in some time.
I think there's a 50-50 chance the Giants rescind the tender
REGARDLESS of how the injuries shake out. I'm not going to say that "he's hurting the team" B.S. However, there's clearly a lack of intelligence and maturity that's astounding when you consider what he personally has on the line. He honestly could've ruined the lives of his family and future children with this stunt.
I'm perfectly fine with never seeing JPP in a Giants uniform again and that's coming from someone who wouldn't have suspended Plax after his shooting.
He burned his hand on a freakin fire work. Now are fireworks kind of stupid? Yes. Is it safe to say lots of other NFL players partook in the stupid tradition of lighting things on fire to see sparks and colors? Yup.
I mean we're trying to play future judgement tarot cards with a workforce that runs into each other for a living.
He made a judgement mistake, it sounds like he's ok, and I bet the dude keeps it to the fairgrounds next 4th.
Unless he's hurt to the point his performance is effected, management changing anything would be the truly stupid step.
I don't know how I can sit down at table with him and his agent and take him seriously while discussing a lucrative long term contract. Without looking at him and then at his hand and then back at him.
He has no leverage whatsoever in negotiations with the Giants after this. None. Wouldn't be surprised if the Giants let him walk after the season.
Calling a guy unsophisticated bothers you? Frankly that's sugarcoating it. If you follow the team and watch interviews it's quite obvious JPP is dumb. Doesn't mean he is a bad guy or I wouldn't have a beer with him. Doesn't mean I don't like him or don't appreciate what he can do on a football field for my team. It's just the truth. Breaking news on planet Earth some people are smarter than others. In case you didn't notice.
Deal with it and stop the whining and finger pointing.
How race got brought into this discussion. I think David needs to lay off the "racist" labeling. I believe this isn't the first time he has tossed this term out there
when someone mentioned having a problem seeing pictures of JPP's gold chains.
JPP's intelligence occasionally gets questioned because of his lack of command of the English language. But when you then go through your laundry list of problems you have with him and it contains "gold chains" many will question why your brain went there.
Oh, and you can always find capone on the thread to jump on the side of the potentially racist/ignorant comment. THAT'S far more telling to me of someone who either thinks any comment is justified, or doesn't want his own thought process questioned ever.
You see patterns in people around here and some are certainly creating unfavorable patterns.
an entire U-Haul van full of fireworks, which is what was reported as being outside his home, qualifies as "explosives."
It also qualifies as remarkably stupid in the hands of a non-professional.
Even if the injuries aren't "career-threatening," it seems likely that he will lose considerable workout time while healing, and thus won't be ready until some time during the season. The Giants should rescind their offer and offer him a smaller payout. No one is going to be in a rush to pay JPP an elite player's salary for this year.
And into the future, he is going to pay a substantial "stupid tax," even if he eventually heals fully, which we don't know yet that he will.
Some of you disgust me that I'm ashamed you're Giants fans and you root for the same team that I do. Can we at least find out the severity of his injury and the circumstances surrounding his injury before we rescind the fricking contract? The guy was a huge part of a Super Bowl championship, and maybe he hasn't lived up to lofty expectations in the past few years. But, at least, be classy about this before you mock the shit out of him and call him dumb. This thread would fit in real well on igglephans.com
himself who seems to have gotten away "lucky" The absolute personal anger at him from some is disgusting it's personal for some of you and that is pretty sick, feeling like you are more invested in him and The Giants than a normal human being would be. Upset? Sure, the hatred? It's a sign of mental instability.
I still can't believe I read a poster wishing he blew his arm off.
a vast majority of the 'let him walk' crowd on this thread will be calling for resigning him and excoriating Reese if he gets away.
a quick google indicates that in Florida, consumer fireworks are limited to the 'sparkler' category similar to what is now allowed in NY. Unless it malfunctions, these don't explode. I wonder if he had illegal fireworks, or if he was dumb enough to try holding one of the showering fountains?
You can buy the big fireworks here in my county, but they photocopy your ID and you sign a form saying you won't shoot them off in county limits.... Like selling beer to minors if they promise not to drink them.
In Kentucky most all large fireworks are legally sold
The Giants absolutely shouldn't get cute and drop his tender. This is a business built on asset risk management. This is a league where Greg Hardy is employable. The last thing the Giants should do is get cute with JPP and risk losing their best defensive player for no compensation. If they pull their exclusivity and create tension with his camp, there will be a team willing to take the risk. The Patriots would be on the line with him in an instant.
You handle the risk with every player, and the more risky guys you hedge the best you can. The Giants have done well with this under JR. With a player with variable productivity and health like JPP, they will construct any offer to protect themselves. If he doesn't bite, they'll let him walk. They've shipped of truly bad fits like Shockey, and they've constructed contracts to get out of with players like Burress and Bradshaw who showed character and behavior concerns.
But if they drop the tender and bate another team to steal JPP the stupid tax is on them.
I hope for a speedy recovery, and that the injuries are not serious, he is a father of a young child ... but as a player, he is nothing special, he had one breakout season off the backs of 92 and 72 ... since his been an average player who disappears when needed and certainly is not the lightning rod we push him to be ...
having said that, I am sure he will not be ready for the opener, wont be able to lift, and was not intending on attending camp to begin with ... the funny thing to see will be whether he changes his stance and now shows up at camp in order to look like a good employee ...
This guy is a fool and cares about nothing but a big pay day. There were concerns in the front office already about offering him a multi-year deal, with some believing he would be dogging it by the 2nd year, if not earlier.
Glad to hear the recent reports aren't as bad as it originally looked
out of Miami stating the actual injury is worse than being reported, so you don't know what to believe at this point ... either way, he wont be ready for the start of the season ...
By all accounts,JPP is a good guy. He may or may not be the hardest working or one who makes the best decisions but he hasn't been suspended,arrested,etc. So he is a big kid and does immature stuff. I hope this teaches JPP a hard lesson and he straightens himself out and becomes the best football player he can be for the NY Giants. This is not even close to carrying a concealed weapon and shooting yourself.
I tend to agree with Marty here. Being a dumb ass with fireworks is pretty common. When I was young, I took stupid chances too.
JPP is 26 years old. He's not that young anymore. Time to grow up. He may not be a criminal but he is an immature idiot - less like Plaxico and more like Jeremy Shockey.
himself who seems to have gotten away "lucky" The absolute personal anger at him from some is disgusting it's personal for some of you and that is pretty sick, feeling like you are more invested in him and The Giants than a normal human being would be. Upset? Sure, the hatred? It's a sign of mental instability.
Honestly, there's a history of this behavior among fans. "If you don't make my team win on sundays, I hate you."
himself who seems to have gotten away "lucky" The absolute personal anger at him from some is disgusting it's personal for some of you and that is pretty sick, feeling like you are more invested in him and The Giants than a normal human being would be. Upset? Sure, the hatred? It's a sign of mental instability.
Honestly, there's a history of this behavior among fans. "If you don't make my team win on sundays, I hate you."
I don't think anyone here has said they hate JPP.
Also, I believe fan behavior is the opposite of what you say. If a guy is a moron or a jerk, fans are more likely to look past it if the guy is on their team.
By all accounts,JPP is a good guy. He may or may not be the hardest working or one who makes the best decisions but he hasn't been suspended,arrested,etc. So he is a big kid and does immature stuff. I hope this teaches JPP a hard lesson and he straightens himself out and becomes the best football player he can be for the NY Giants. This is not even close to carrying a concealed weapon and shooting yourself.
I tend to agree with Marty here. Being a dumb ass with fireworks is pretty common. When I was young, I took stupid chances too.
JPP is 26 years old. He's not that young anymore. Time to grow up. He may not be a criminal but he is an immature idiot - less like Plaxico and more like Jeremy Shockey.
I don't recall Shockey doing anything off the field that prevented him from being on it ... why is his name always mentioned ? the guy was a fire ball on field, do you take issue with that ? seems like we could use a player or 2 on both sides of the ball with the desire of Shockey ... team is full of pussy's ...
If this were a viral video of some random asshole with fireworks blowing up in his hand every poster here would be making jokes about it. It's amazing how wearing the right jersey can get you the benefit off the doubt in the eyes of some.
he certainly will not be available for a 16 game ...
season, so how do you justify $15mill. for a portion of games ? is there a way to pro-rate his earnings for 2015 ? rather the resources go elsewhere, players who have proven the desire to get better and follow a straight path ie. Eli, Prince etc. ...
I wonder how many people on here will call him dumb? I know, I know, he knows how to play soccer better than JPP knows how to play with fireworks.
The only thing that is dumb is you bringing up an injury from playing a pickup game of soccer to a guy who may or may not have almost blown his hand off (but at the very least did enough damage to wind up in the hospital) with a firework.
This thread should contribute a lot to the "What have we learned this week" thread.
What I have learned is that having a negative view of someone sporting a plethora of gold chains is racist. Then again, it doesn't really take much to cross that threshold here. My best friend (English/French) used to sport a multitude of gold chains and we all would rag on him for his "Mr T starter set".
As for JPP, I hope he's ok and this doesn't affect his career, but the giants need to be cautious here.
Baseball is the king of ridiculous off-field injuries
I wonder how many people on here will call him dumb? I know, I know, he knows how to play soccer better than JPP knows how to play with fireworks.
The only thing that is dumb is you bringing up an injury from playing a pickup game of soccer to a guy who may or may not have almost blown his hand off (but at the very least did enough damage to wind up in the hospital) with a firework.
And, of course, you know the injury rate in each, right? Why is one mans fun dumb, while another man's fun stupid. Both enterprises have significant injury risks.
The only real problem with it was how truly braindead all involved had to be to put it up online for all to see.
The only real problem with it was how truly braindead all involved had to be to put it up online for all to see.
Prince didn't look like he enjoyed the experience. And from what he seems like, Prince seems to be a pretty darn unassuming good kid. Karma's a bitch.
Should have moved him two years ago. This would have been someone else's embarrassment.
I tend to agree with Marty here. Being a dumb ass with fireworks is pretty common. When I was young, I took stupid chances too.
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looks to avoid. Childish mischief is correctable. I think they make a distinction between 'bad guy' and 'knucklehead'. If they wanted to pay him, this probably wouldn't change their mind.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
The ship has sailed for his big pay day as each day moving fwrd from this incident only lessens the value of his worth. He would of been smart to agree to terms that were probably already offered and rejected by his camp.
Well that's not true. He could have a great season, in which case he'd get paid what he wants from someone.
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looks to avoid. Childish mischief is correctable. I think they make a distinction between 'bad guy' and 'knucklehead'. If they wanted to pay him, this probably wouldn't change their mind.
Just my opinion, but they probably have a bigger problem with the fact that he and his agent are angling for a blockbuster contract more than the fear that he's going to get sent to jail or whatnot.
The ship has sailed for his big pay day as each day moving fwrd from this incident only lessens the value of his worth. He would of been smart to agree to terms that were probably already offered and rejected by his camp.
Well that's not true. He could have a great season, in which case he'd get paid what he wants from someone.
You are probably right, but I hope it is not us and if history proves correct the NYG's will not get into a bidding war over an umbecile.
Should have moved him two years ago. This would have been someone else's embarrassment.
Still waiting for extending Burress and having Strahan back for that final year to bury the team, eh?
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If the guy is stupid now is $15 million a year going to cure that?
Should have moved him two years ago. This would have been someone else's embarrassment.
Still waiting for extending Burress and having Strahan back for that final year to bury the team, eh?
Extending Burress when they didn't have to and banking on him in 2008 actually did end up blowing up in their face (or in his sweatpants), so I'm not sure what Terps would be waiting for there.
Breh dogged it pretty much throughout that season, save opening night, and then shot himself off the field down the stretch, when the team wasn't in position to find a suitable replacement for him/his role.
I was going to ask does he even need to inform the Giants of his injury updates. I thought he took his physical just a few weeks ago when he was at the facility. The only thing left was for him to sign the tender.
The point is it's intellectually lazy to say "trade all the dumb guys" when the market place is full of early 20s, entitled athletes. It's a calculated risk market, where you leverage your investments as much as possible.
The idea that dumping JPP two years ago is a sound football or financial premise is about the most foolish football comment I've seen posted in some time.
I'm perfectly fine with never seeing JPP in a Giants uniform again and that's coming from someone who wouldn't have suspended Plax after his shooting.
I mean we're trying to play future judgement tarot cards with a workforce that runs into each other for a living.
He made a judgement mistake, it sounds like he's ok, and I bet the dude keeps it to the fairgrounds next 4th.
Unless he's hurt to the point his performance is effected, management changing anything would be the truly stupid step.
He has no leverage whatsoever in negotiations with the Giants after this. None. Wouldn't be surprised if the Giants let him walk after the season.
Deal with it and stop the whining and finger pointing.
JPP's intelligence occasionally gets questioned because of his lack of command of the English language. But when you then go through your laundry list of problems you have with him and it contains "gold chains" many will question why your brain went there.
Oh, and you can always find capone on the thread to jump on the side of the potentially racist/ignorant comment. THAT'S far more telling to me of someone who either thinks any comment is justified, or doesn't want his own thought process questioned ever.
You see patterns in people around here and some are certainly creating unfavorable patterns.
It also qualifies as remarkably stupid in the hands of a non-professional.
Even if the injuries aren't "career-threatening," it seems likely that he will lose considerable workout time while healing, and thus won't be ready until some time during the season. The Giants should rescind their offer and offer him a smaller payout. No one is going to be in a rush to pay JPP an elite player's salary for this year.
And into the future, he is going to pay a substantial "stupid tax," even if he eventually heals fully, which we don't know yet that he will.
Doesn't take a big genius to rush the passer and stop the run.
My feelings too Pete.
a quick google indicates that in Florida, consumer fireworks are limited to the 'sparkler' category similar to what is now allowed in NY. Unless it malfunctions, these don't explode. I wonder if he had illegal fireworks, or if he was dumb enough to try holding one of the showering fountains?
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No chance I am signing this guy long-term. He has an incredibly low IQ.
Doesn't take a big genius to rush the passer and stop the run.
No shit. But careless off field behavior can keep you from being on it. Case in point.
We already saw this with Plax. You want to risk it again?
You handle the risk with every player, and the more risky guys you hedge the best you can. The Giants have done well with this under JR. With a player with variable productivity and health like JPP, they will construct any offer to protect themselves. If he doesn't bite, they'll let him walk. They've shipped of truly bad fits like Shockey, and they've constructed contracts to get out of with players like Burress and Bradshaw who showed character and behavior concerns.
But if they drop the tender and bate another team to steal JPP the stupid tax is on them.
having said that, I am sure he will not be ready for the opener, wont be able to lift, and was not intending on attending camp to begin with ... the funny thing to see will be whether he changes his stance and now shows up at camp in order to look like a good employee ...
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By all accounts,JPP is a good guy. He may or may not be the hardest working or one who makes the best decisions but he hasn't been suspended,arrested,etc. So he is a big kid and does immature stuff. I hope this teaches JPP a hard lesson and he straightens himself out and becomes the best football player he can be for the NY Giants. This is not even close to carrying a concealed weapon and shooting yourself.
I tend to agree with Marty here. Being a dumb ass with fireworks is pretty common. When I was young, I took stupid chances too.
JPP is 26 years old. He's not that young anymore. Time to grow up. He may not be a criminal but he is an immature idiot - less like Plaxico and more like Jeremy Shockey.
Honestly, there's a history of this behavior among fans. "If you don't make my team win on sundays, I hate you."
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himself who seems to have gotten away "lucky" The absolute personal anger at him from some is disgusting it's personal for some of you and that is pretty sick, feeling like you are more invested in him and The Giants than a normal human being would be. Upset? Sure, the hatred? It's a sign of mental instability.
Honestly, there's a history of this behavior among fans. "If you don't make my team win on sundays, I hate you."
I don't think anyone here has said they hate JPP.
Also, I believe fan behavior is the opposite of what you say. If a guy is a moron or a jerk, fans are more likely to look past it if the guy is on their team.
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By all accounts,JPP is a good guy. He may or may not be the hardest working or one who makes the best decisions but he hasn't been suspended,arrested,etc. So he is a big kid and does immature stuff. I hope this teaches JPP a hard lesson and he straightens himself out and becomes the best football player he can be for the NY Giants. This is not even close to carrying a concealed weapon and shooting yourself.
I tend to agree with Marty here. Being a dumb ass with fireworks is pretty common. When I was young, I took stupid chances too.
JPP is 26 years old. He's not that young anymore. Time to grow up. He may not be a criminal but he is an immature idiot - less like Plaxico and more like Jeremy Shockey.
I don't recall Shockey doing anything off the field that prevented him from being on it ... why is his name always mentioned ? the guy was a fire ball on field, do you take issue with that ? seems like we could use a player or 2 on both sides of the ball with the desire of Shockey ... team is full of pussy's ...
The only thing that is dumb is you bringing up an injury from playing a pickup game of soccer to a guy who may or may not have almost blown his hand off (but at the very least did enough damage to wind up in the hospital) with a firework.
Well said.
What I have learned is that having a negative view of someone sporting a plethora of gold chains is racist. Then again, it doesn't really take much to cross that threshold here. My best friend (English/French) used to sport a multitude of gold chains and we all would rag on him for his "Mr T starter set".
As for JPP, I hope he's ok and this doesn't affect his career, but the giants need to be cautious here.
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I wonder how many people on here will call him dumb? I know, I know, he knows how to play soccer better than JPP knows how to play with fireworks.
The only thing that is dumb is you bringing up an injury from playing a pickup game of soccer to a guy who may or may not have almost blown his hand off (but at the very least did enough damage to wind up in the hospital) with a firework.
And, of course, you know the injury rate in each, right? Why is one mans fun dumb, while another man's fun stupid. Both enterprises have significant injury risks.
Playing soccer is an attempt at staying in shape. If JPP hurt himself playing basketball or soccer, I'd have no issue and treat it the same as Beatty.