How about the GM tries to get a Major League caliber 4th OFer on this roster so that we don't need to keep doing this? It shouldn't be that hard. If you can't do that, then just call up Conforto. Watching these putrid minor league lifers continue to get AB's on a daily basis is legitimately insulting. Enough. It's tiresome.
Kirk is exactly what people mean when they call guys "AAAA" players. He's going to hit every time he goes to LV but he can't hit here. How many times now has the guy been "hot" in AAA only to come up here and shit the bed? I feel like we have seen this movie 5 times already. At least.
No disrespect, I just don't get where this comes from. Kirk was very good last year. I get he sucked early this season though.
Kirk is exactly what people mean when they call guys "AAAA" players. He's going to hit every time he goes to LV but he can't hit here. How many times now has the guy been "hot" in AAA only to come up here and shit the bed? I feel like we have seen this movie 5 times already. At least.
No disrespect, I just don't get where this comes from. Kirk was very good last year. I get he sucked early this season though.
He's a career .226, .666 OPS player who is hitting .100 this year in 37 MLB games. .100
How about the GM tries to get a Major League caliber 4th OFer on this roster so that we don't need to keep doing this? It shouldn't be that hard. If you can't do that, then just call up Conforto. Watching these putrid minor league lifers continue to get AB's on a daily basis is legitimately insulting. Enough. It's tiresome.
Bottom line is this... everyone blames the owners... and they SUCK but the GM hasn't done his job. People can attack me and defend him all you want but 100% of the Sandy defense is how patient he is... patience only gets you so far... how about the waiver wire? How about minor moves? Relying on crap to suddenly not be crap is silly
How about the GM tries to get a Major League caliber 4th OFer on this roster so that we don't need to keep doing this? It shouldn't be that hard. If you can't do that, then just call up Conforto. Watching these putrid minor league lifers continue to get AB's on a daily basis is legitimately insulting. Enough. It's tiresome.
Bottom line is this... everyone blames the owners... and they SUCK but the GM hasn't done his job. People can attack me and defend him all you want but 100% of the Sandy defense is how patient he is... patience only gets you so far... how about the waiver wire? How about minor moves? Relying on crap to suddenly not be crap is silly
I agree. There are still ways to improve the roster on a restricted budget. No one is saying the guy has to make a blockbuster trade but the best GM's are the ones who find ways to be creative and add pieces. Alderson seems content just waiting for prospects to develop and not being proactive. The guy is ridiculously passive.
Again.. no one says he's got to go out and panic and trade Thor for Tulo. But you can't even add a 4th OFer or improve the bench? Gimmie a fucking break.
Creativity has been a sticking point against Alderson
this is why most Mets "arguments" end up being so annoying. NOBODY is saying trade Thor or Matz for Starlin Castro but I am 10000000000000000000000000% positive there are 4th OFers available for FAR less than that are better than Kirk N.
Bitched about was a LOOGY all spring and Sandy brought in two guys. Who was a waiver claim this year? Dominguez? There just isn't a lot of activity until July. I mean Sandy just held a press conference to announce they are being aggressive and have the money to bring in a significant player right now. Id be surprised if he doesn't make a couple moves to bolster the team quite frankly. And up until this year means nothing to me. We were never competing before 2015 anyway with Harvey out last year.
Bitched about was a LOOGY all spring and Sandy brought in two guys. Who was a waiver claim this year? Dominguez? There just isn't a lot of activity until July. I mean Sandy just held a press conference to announce they are being aggressive and have the money to bring in a significant player right now. Id be surprised if he doesn't make a couple moves to bolster the team quite frankly. And up until this year means nothing to me. We were never competing before 2015 anyway with Harvey out last year.
It's been 3+ years of being one of the LEAST active on the waiver wire (when you are bad you get better claims) and the fewest trades. Why not churn through guys and maybe find a gem? Beane ROUTINELY does this.
Is I doubt Sandy is saying, "I'm out on somebody like Parra because Kirk is here" even though it pisses the fans off so much. Ceciliani has been ice cold and Kirk hit like 5 home runs in the last couple days. This isn't something to flip out over. If they do nothing at all this deadline id agree we would all have a right to be pissed. We have the pitching and are somewhat in it this time around.
ridiculous the GM has ZERO worry for his job in year 6 of a "rebuild". At what point do you at least say "let's see significant improvement"? I'm not saying I'd fire him today but ZERO hot seat? Who has gravitas like this?
Bitched about was a LOOGY all spring and Sandy brought in two guys. Who was a waiver claim this year? Dominguez? There just isn't a lot of activity until July. I mean Sandy just held a press conference to announce they are being aggressive and have the money to bring in a significant player right now. Id be surprised if he doesn't make a couple moves to bolster the team quite frankly. And up until this year means nothing to me. We were never competing before 2015 anyway with Harvey out last year.
So what if we weren't competing? Even more reason to be extra active and bring in guys and see if we could find a diamond in the rough or even a gemstone. What did we have to lose?
I just can't justify the fact that this guy is so ridiculously passive. There are smaller scale moves out there to be made but it seems like he's content telling the fanbase "we are prepared to make ONE move so we're going to sit here and calculate that move for the next month before we make it so that we can hope to make the right one!"
It's a shitty strategy. I'm not asking for much here. I am just sick to freaking death of guys like Kirk and Ceciliani. Before that it was the Mike Baxters. Come on man. Give me some major league players here. This is New York.
anyone here wishes they had. The chances of him getting fired are 1% at best, because I never say never
Which I find to be disappointing at best. No pressure at all. It's not as if he's won a recent WS or is some Met great. At what point IS there pressure to win? Year 7? Year 8? Never?
What happens this year and where we end up before I start spreading venom. We are over .500 with some massive pieces on the DL all year and 3.5 out of first. Sandy is flat out holding conferences to tell fans he's looking and is trying to make additions this year.
Cuddyer is here, you have Mayberry off the bench and now Nieuwenhuis. Campbell provides something, Tejada is really coming around they're sporting a six man rotation.
That the Mets need to be some what in it for a wild card this year or Sandy's job needs to be on the line. So what is that? 83-87 wins?? Nothing I've seen tells me Sandy is in danger of missing our own mark we set.
until the trading deadline. Kirk move is just a move, nothing to really get riled about. Let's also keep this in mind.
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Unfortunately, the Mets, whether it's fair or not, have been operating like a small-market team for the past few years, and it doesn't look like that's going to change soon. No one is bursting through that door to save the team from its financial woes. That means that the current situation is the new normal, and that comes with a different approach. No longer can this team trade away prospects willy-nilly in exchange for expiring contracts. One or two busts from those types of deals could create a huge hole in the future of the franchise that it can't spend its way out of. Perhaps that's why Alderson has been so cautious with his team's prospects. Or maybe it's because the second Wild Card spot creates an extreme seller's market in which only one or two teams want to trade away veteran players.
Either way, the general manager is choosing patience over panic for the time being. Unfortunately, patience doesn't sell papers.
He talks a big game but he's still yet to make a trade for proven MLB talent that actually helps the team. Yes, the Dickey trade was excellent and at the time, it was what we needed to do.
I don't even hate the guy but he keeps telling us what he's doing to do but still hasn't actually done it. Maybe we have to wait until the break when teams talk more but at some point it's put up or shut up.
I liked the Blevins move a lot. But that's what I mean. We can make more small-scale moves like that which will help the team and we rarely seem to do it.
As to the waiver deals, it's easy to get pissed off in a vacuum but you need to look at each player as a case to case. We have a lot of young talent that may or may not have offered just as much upside. Look at last year... Kirk was having a nice year as a 4th or 5th outfielder. Was somebody else's garbage better necessarily? Flores was coming off the bench last year mostly. Does a waiver claim offer more upside than Flores?? I have a hard time believing Sandy doesn't weigh every waiver against what's currently on the roster and judge accordingly. He's made some shrewd moves. Gilmartin has been awesome as an example.
How they worked Montero back to a full starting duty days after he pitched multiple days in the bullpen. Think he has one 5 inning start in AAA in between. Real shitty.
The past 2 years have been an embarrassment for a NY organization. From the moment in the winter of 2013 when he crapped on Tejada with Francesa to now, when they are again forced to give him an every day role because of their own failure to find someone better, their inability to get anything done has been a disgrace. Just as you and Arc have said, this "try the same crap over again and hope it's not crap this time" routine has nothing to do with being patient. You don't need to give up Syndergaard to get a better 4th OFer. And if the budget is so tight, why go into the season wasting 5M on Dillon Gee? Great job anticipating the market and the impending roster crunch.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
What 3 SS's got injured? I'll hang up and listen.
And Justin turner is an excellent backup IF. Ruben Tejada is a replacement level player on his best day and a turd without any plus skills on every other day.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
Agree, and beyond that it took every other option they paraded out there failing miserably before he was given a yet another shot at starting.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
What 3 SS's got injured? I'll hang up and listen.
And Justin turner is an excellent backup IF. Ruben Tejada is a replacement level player on his best day and a turd without any plus skills on every other day.
Lol. I pretty clearly said Tejada was penciled in as a BACKUP middle infielder. Flores was healthy all year so we really didn't need a SS. It took injuries to Wright, Murphy, AND begrudgingly Herrera for them to even consider Tejada.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
Agree, and beyond that it took every other option they paraded out there failing miserably before he was given a yet another shot at starting.
Exactly Steve. Pretty clear he was everyone's absolute last resort. Luckily Tejada has done a half way decent job so we should really be happy we had him. Also when Wright comes back, Tejada will be out of a job once again.
Well somebody has to replicate Moises Cuddyer's ground-into-double-plays.
No disrespect, I just don't get where this comes from. Kirk was very good last year. I get he sucked early this season though.
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Kirk is exactly what people mean when they call guys "AAAA" players. He's going to hit every time he goes to LV but he can't hit here. How many times now has the guy been "hot" in AAA only to come up here and shit the bed? I feel like we have seen this movie 5 times already. At least.
No disrespect, I just don't get where this comes from. Kirk was very good last year. I get he sucked early this season though.
He's a career .226, .666 OPS player who is hitting .100 this year in 37 MLB games. .100
He's not good. It's time to move on.
Bottom line is this... everyone blames the owners... and they SUCK but the GM hasn't done his job. People can attack me and defend him all you want but 100% of the Sandy defense is how patient he is... patience only gets you so far... how about the waiver wire? How about minor moves? Relying on crap to suddenly not be crap is silly
I like yours just think it might be tricky to pull off. Give me Parra and Prado and I think I'm good. Reddick would be sweet too though.
He's like 2/22 this week
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How about the GM tries to get a Major League caliber 4th OFer on this roster so that we don't need to keep doing this? It shouldn't be that hard. If you can't do that, then just call up Conforto. Watching these putrid minor league lifers continue to get AB's on a daily basis is legitimately insulting. Enough. It's tiresome.
Bottom line is this... everyone blames the owners... and they SUCK but the GM hasn't done his job. People can attack me and defend him all you want but 100% of the Sandy defense is how patient he is... patience only gets you so far... how about the waiver wire? How about minor moves? Relying on crap to suddenly not be crap is silly
I agree. There are still ways to improve the roster on a restricted budget. No one is saying the guy has to make a blockbuster trade but the best GM's are the ones who find ways to be creative and add pieces. Alderson seems content just waiting for prospects to develop and not being proactive. The guy is ridiculously passive.
Again.. no one says he's got to go out and panic and trade Thor for Tulo. But you can't even add a 4th OFer or improve the bench? Gimmie a fucking break.
It's been 3+ years of being one of the LEAST active on the waiver wire (when you are bad you get better claims) and the fewest trades. Why not churn through guys and maybe find a gem? Beane ROUTINELY does this.
So what if we weren't competing? Even more reason to be extra active and bring in guys and see if we could find a diamond in the rough or even a gemstone. What did we have to lose?
I just can't justify the fact that this guy is so ridiculously passive. There are smaller scale moves out there to be made but it seems like he's content telling the fanbase "we are prepared to make ONE move so we're going to sit here and calculate that move for the next month before we make it so that we can hope to make the right one!"
It's a shitty strategy. I'm not asking for much here. I am just sick to freaking death of guys like Kirk and Ceciliani. Before that it was the Mike Baxters. Come on man. Give me some major league players here. This is New York.
Which I find to be disappointing at best. No pressure at all. It's not as if he's won a recent WS or is some Met great. At what point IS there pressure to win? Year 7? Year 8? Never?
Cuddyer is here, you have Mayberry off the bench and now Nieuwenhuis. Campbell provides something, Tejada is really coming around they're sporting a six man rotation.
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Either way, the general manager is choosing patience over panic for the time being. Unfortunately, patience doesn't sell papers.
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I don't even hate the guy but he keeps telling us what he's doing to do but still hasn't actually done it. Maybe we have to wait until the break when teams talk more but at some point it's put up or shut up.
This doesn't need to be a 10 year rebuild here.
As to the waiver deals, it's easy to get pissed off in a vacuum but you need to look at each player as a case to case. We have a lot of young talent that may or may not have offered just as much upside. Look at last year... Kirk was having a nice year as a 4th or 5th outfielder. Was somebody else's garbage better necessarily? Flores was coming off the bench last year mostly. Does a waiver claim offer more upside than Flores?? I have a hard time believing Sandy doesn't weigh every waiver against what's currently on the roster and judge accordingly. He's made some shrewd moves. Gilmartin has been awesome as an example.
Never mind the 3 for 38 prior to demotion b/c he's back and patience will prevail. Gotta Believe!!!!!!
Welcome back Kirk
Darrell Ceciliani demoted. #mets
Darrell Ceciliani demoted. #mets
Thanks! And I like it!
He's likely the SS for 2016 too.
What 3 SS's got injured? I'll hang up and listen.
And Justin turner is an excellent backup IF. Ruben Tejada is a replacement level player on his best day and a turd without any plus skills on every other day.
Agree, and beyond that it took every other option they paraded out there failing miserably before he was given a yet another shot at starting.
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Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
What 3 SS's got injured? I'll hang up and listen.
And Justin turner is an excellent backup IF. Ruben Tejada is a replacement level player on his best day and a turd without any plus skills on every other day.
Lol. I pretty clearly said Tejada was penciled in as a BACKUP middle infielder. Flores was healthy all year so we really didn't need a SS. It took injuries to Wright, Murphy, AND begrudgingly Herrera for them to even consider Tejada.
Makes sense
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Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
Agree, and beyond that it took every other option they paraded out there failing miserably before he was given a yet another shot at starting.
Exactly Steve. Pretty clear he was everyone's absolute last resort. Luckily Tejada has done a half way decent job so we should really be happy we had him. Also when Wright comes back, Tejada will be out of a job once again.
Kirk is 2 his last 22. He's not red hot. He's horrible.
Familia is nominated for the last spot. You can still vote him in.