feels like forever. Let's hope beating a good team in their house builds some confidence.
Is the contract pressure in Duda's head? He looks lost.
Harvey talking about rhythm etc is aimed at the six man rotation. Can we trade Niese already. If deGrom and Harvey don't like it get rid of it. Period.
feels like forever. Let's hope beating a good team in their house builds some confidence.
Is the contract pressure in Duda's head? He looks lost.
Harvey talking about rhythm etc is aimed at the six man rotation. Can we trade Niese already. If deGrom and Harvey don't like it get rid of it. Period.
its not about them liking it its about saving innings or else there going to have to be shutdown before end of season
curveball and changeup I think are both plus pitches, CB has a chance to be plus-plus. I heard he had just developed it in the last 2 years or so, but boy is it a beaut.It's not quite kershaw good, but his fastball is better than kershaw's right now. Love this pitching staff. Bullpen, especially with Mejia coming back, and Blevins behind him, has a chance to be a real strength too. Verrett should replace C.Torres when Mejia returns.
lineup around him. The that's part of the problem. The other problem is the that he cannot lay off the garbage pitches. Until he learns that to lay off those pitches, he will never see a strike. He was doing it in the beginning of the year and for some reason it stopped.
He's pitched really well lately, but he could still use some more polish and there's no reason to potentially lose someone. Regardless of performance, I think Carlos Torres would likely get DFA'd before Alex Torres just due to trade/contract/age but I doubt it comes to that this season. There's also a good chance 1 of the 6 starters will get traded by the time Blevins is back.
Below is an article about the Cubs trade deadline approach and it sounds like they may just be looking to move on from him. He's not all that flashy, but he puts the ball in play and is obviously a huge upgrade from Tejada. Might be a nice buy low option, obviously depending on whatever the + is with Niese. Cubs should be active at deadline with chance at postseason - ( New Window )
Below is an article about the Cubs trade deadline approach and it sounds like they may just be looking to move on from him. He's not all that flashy, but he puts the ball in play and is obviously a huge upgrade from Tejada. Might be a nice buy low option, obviously depending on whatever the + is with Niese. Cubs should be active at deadline with chance at postseason - ( New Window )
I honestly don't know. Castro has been THAT bad. He's having a putrid year and isn't half the player Flores is. Im not even sure if he's better than Tejada right now. Murphy is locked into a spot and Wright might still be coming back. Herrera could catch fire in Vegas and be in the mix again at some point. Reynolds is hitting homeruns again and might be heating up. Also it seems like they want to stick with this 6 man rotation for a while to conserve innings. Who replaces Niese? Gee? Yuck.
over their careers, which to this point Castro is 25 years old, he and Murphy have been comparable WAR players, but sometimes you need to look past the advanced stats and watch baseball.
Yes, Castro is having a down year. which is why it's a "buy low" situation.
Murphy is not a winning baseball player. He's pretty average to below overall.
Castro isn't either, yet, as mentioned he's still 25 and most importantly, what better player do you think you will get for Niese.
Castro is cost-controlled through 2019.
If they can get a trade they like the 6 man will be gone in a flash
It's just a useful short term deployment of assets. Not saying Castro is that trade, just that I think Niese and Colon would be gone if someone really wanted them.
Obviously if Castro was having an all star year like last year, there's no way you're getting him for a package based mostly on Niese. It's a buy low gamble. I don't love committing to him at SS for the same reason I didn't love the idea of committing to Flores (below average defense at an important position) but if the extra piece was something insignificant like Reynolds or Ynoa, I think I'd pull the trigger. Hard to say no to the idea of adding another Murphy-level bat to this lineup, because that's pretty much exactly what Castro has been over his career.
ZG - I know you and Phi have agreed a lot lately, but please tell me you aren't running as his co-chair on #teamtejada.
RE: hypothetical trade - Niese + a non-major prospect for SCastro? y or n?
Below is an article about the Cubs trade deadline approach and it sounds like they may just be looking to move on from him. He's not all that flashy, but he puts the ball in play and is obviously a huge upgrade from Tejada. Might be a nice buy low option, obviously depending on whatever the + is with Niese. Cubs should be active at deadline with chance at postseason - ( New Window )
When TD'A and Wright get back this is a different line up. I wouldn't trade for Castro. Castro is more of these same.
shot of being in the wild card mix this year Im still focused on 2015 and Murphy has a much bigger chance of impacting this season than Castro would. I know if we make the playoffs I sure as hell want Murphy in the lineup over Castro. Watch baseball? Have you watched Castro? He's sub par defensively and has been simply dreadful this year. Id rather trade Niese for a good prospect. I actually think trading Niese for Castro HURTS our ball club, at least for 2015.
is really a babip driven player. All his good years are when he has a high babip number. I'm too lazy to look up other metrics on why, but i would stay away unless i know i can fix it.
Murphy - .289 BA / .332 OBP / .418 SLG
Castro - .282 BA / .322 OBP . .403 SLG
They are very comparable players, though it should be noted none of us are clamoring to lock Murphy into a long term contract because he is flawed, just as Castro is. That's why this deal would only make sense as a buy low where you're saving half of his potential contract by dealing Niese in the exchange. It's actually a very sensible deal for both sides, but one the Cubs only consider if they strike out on better pitchers.
RE: If they can get a trade they like the 6 man will be gone in a flash
It's just a useful short term deployment of assets. Not saying Castro is that trade, just that I think Niese and Colon would be gone if someone really wanted them.
Obviously if Castro was having an all star year like last year, there's no way you're getting him for a package based mostly on Niese. It's a buy low gamble. I don't love committing to him at SS for the same reason I didn't love the idea of committing to Flores (below average defense at an important position) but if the extra piece was something insignificant like Reynolds or Ynoa, I think I'd pull the trigger. Hard to say no to the idea of adding another Murphy-level bat to this lineup, because that's pretty much exactly what Castro has been over his career.
ZG - I know you and Phi have agreed a lot lately, but please tell me you aren't running as his co-chair on #teamtejada.
lol. I don't know what he said about Tejada. Ive been in and out the last few weeks here. :) I think Tejada is a useful backup middle infielder. Pretty much the perfect backup but he should not be starting. I get the premise regarding Castro I just really don't know. Castro has been so bad and I always thought he was overrated anyway. I think out of Wright, Murphy, Flores, Herrera, Castro, and possibly even Reynolds..... Castro would be the worst of the bunch if everyone were healthy.
And that post wasn't meant to say Castro should play over Murphy
I think there's an extremely insignificant chance David Wright comes back this year, and if he does and plays well enough to put Murphy or Flores into more of a utility man role, that's a good thing not a bad thing. Either way it's not something they can count on happening.
Castro is still only 25. He a pretty significant upgrade over Tejada and has a much higher ceiling.
We will deal with Wright coming back when Wright comes back. One of our biggest problems is that our bench is putrid. Swinging a deal for Castro could give us much better IF depth.
Make that deal and if Michael Cadaver is still this bad in a few weeks, give Conforto a shot and use Cadaver as a 1B platoon and 4th OFer.
Where he should have been all along, even if it was just to let him go about his business without being under a crazy microscope. He's still made some mistakes over there like cutting in front of Tejada and booting an easy DP ball, but the extra time he has to get outs at 1B is evident and I expect he will easily grow into an average defensive 2B. Only question with him is how high the ceiling is offensively.
RE: If Niese and a spare part got me Castro, I'd probably do it.
Castro is still only 25. He a pretty significant upgrade over Tejada and has a much higher ceiling.
We will deal with Wright coming back when Wright comes back. One of our biggest problems is that our bench is putrid. Swinging a deal for Castro could give us much better IF depth.
Make that deal and if Michael Cadaver is still this bad in a few weeks, give Conforto a shot and use Cadaver as a 1B platoon and 4th OFer.
Yeah that's about where I'd net out. For the record I think if this deal happens, it's the type that would be a deadline day deal after both teams strike out with other targets. I think the Mets would prefer Zobrist for 1 and I think the Cubs would prefer a lot of pitchers over Niese.
Sandy seemed to be pretty convicted this time around and as he said it needs to last for at least two months for any starters to trim a game or two off their year. I tried to make this point earlier in the season. Going to a 6 man for a few weeks essentially saves a starter nada.
I really think they are going to stick with it or Harvey, Syndergaard, deGrom are going to run into some major problems.
There's merit to going with it and there's merit to the 5 man
but the 6 man undoubtedly strengthens their negotiating position in trades - which is the primary reason their language has been so strongly in favor of it recently. As you said it doesn't even shave that many innings off so even if they stick with it they'd still likely need to skip guys every now and then in August/September to preserve innings. The 6 man keeps everyone in the rotation for now and maximizes trade value.
I agree it strengthens there position in trades. I still wonder if they are fine just finishing the year with this 6 also though? If Montero were healthy he might be able to slide in but he hasn't been and I don't want to see Gee again.
If we stick with the 6 man for 2 months every starter would save about 2 starts which is what 15 innings ish? I mean it does help but its only really beneficial if they stick with it over a long period of time.
affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
RE: Has there been any talk on how Lagares' shoulder injury might be
affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
They will stretch out Verrett again before they bring him up.
I'd be good with adding Prado, but obviously the Fish have no use for Niese. Zobrist and Gomez are my top 2 choices at the moment. Only issue is that neither one of them gets Tejada out of the lineup, but maybe there's hope that Reynolds or Cecchini can do that later in the season?
I'd throw some money at Hayward. There isn't a lot to be had and unless you want to bring in Chris Davis in and put Duda back in the OF, it's the best option to improve the lineup
affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
Is it affecting his hitting though? Has he been asked about that? I'd have to imagine yes.
RE: RE: RE: Has there been any talk on how Lagares' shoulder injury might be
affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
Is it affecting his hitting though? Has he been asked about that? I'd have to imagine yes.
I don't know. Lagares peripherals always pointed to his numbers to come crashing down somewhat. I don't think anyone expected him to be THIS bad though. Maybe he's coming out of his funk though. He had a couple key hits today. The guy also covers a ton of ground in CF. I think we need him to finish out the year and get Tommy John as soon as the season is over.
i also think mets will strategicly adjust there rotation coming out of
affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
Is it affecting his hitting though? Has he been asked about that? I'd have to imagine yes.
probably a bit but the main reason he has struggled is with wright out,he has more pressure to produce offensively
Thor went 133 last year and Matz went 140ish. That puts them around 170 this year. deGrom can go a little over 200. Apparently the sweet spot for Harvey is around 185.
'its not about them liking it its about saving innings or else there going to have to be shutdown before end of season'
That innings excuse is crap. They want to keep Niese active so they can trade him. The second he's gone they're going to a five man rotation. I'f I'm wrong I'll come back on here and say so.
Harvey is pissed about the 6 man rotation, says that it throws off his prep and mechanics. Apparently others feel the same but won't say so publicly. The Mets had better be careful with Harvey. They are pissing him off and he isn't shy about vocalizing it. Add in Boras as agent and good luck keeping him here.
I'm not sure I can totally disagree with Harvey on this
It would be one thing if they strongly believed in the idea of a 6th man rotation, but to suddenly spring it on the staff, then back off from it, then go right back to it, it makes you look like as an organization, you don't have a plan.
No pitcher wants to be thrown off his routine. They're creatures of habit.
RE: Matz' curveball is a thing of beauty. An old fashioned
Harvey is pissed about the 6 man rotation, says that it throws off his prep and mechanics. Apparently others feel the same but won't say so publicly. The Mets had better be careful with Harvey. They are pissing him off and he isn't shy about vocalizing it. Add in Boras as agent and good luck keeping him here.
At this point I wish Harvey would just quit griping, deal with it and concentrate on pitching the best he can to help his team.
The guy is starting to remind me of a high maintenance pretty girlfriend. Eventually the personality starts to override the beauty.
This front office has made a habit of putting players in bad positions
due to their own inability to get things done. I also wish Harvey (and Collins) would keep a little quieter when frustrations boil over, but in a lot of cases they aren't wrong. Flores turned into an experiment at SS because for 4 years they haven't been able to upgrade Ruben Tejada. They've shifted in and out of the 6 man twice, the first time because they had been unable to dump Dillon Gee in the offseason (which they will now likely have to do for nothing since that relationship became so toxic). They put Montero in the BP short term, which was something he wasn't good at and broke his momentum from ST. Last year it was going through ST and a month of the season with Duda & Ike, though thankfully they were able to resolve that one pretty quick. I guess my point is this FO likes to hedge and when their long term plans aren't coming to fruition they make a lot of short term "bandaid" moves that contort players into abnormal positions. Many employees would find it enormously frustrating if they woke up, went into work and found out their role had been changed to something they didn't normally do.
and of course with the Mets there are plenty of things to legitimately question. But even if something the team chooses (supposedly for the overall good of the team) makes something harder on the individual just be a pro about it and man up and deal with it. These past couple of seasons Harvey really comes off as a whiner when things don't go exactly as he likes. If he truly wants to be the leader of the staff he needs to work on his maturity.
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I also wish Harvey (and Collins) would keep a little quieter when frustrations boil over, but in a lot of cases they aren't wrong.
due to their own inability to get things done. I also wish Harvey (and Collins) would keep a little quieter when frustrations boil over, but in a lot of cases they aren't wrong. Flores turned into an experiment at SS because for 4 years they haven't been able to upgrade Ruben Tejada. They've shifted in and out of the 6 man twice, the first time because they had been unable to dump Dillon Gee in the offseason (which they will now likely have to do for nothing since that relationship became so toxic). They put Montero in the BP short term, which was something he wasn't good at and broke his momentum from ST. Last year it was going through ST and a month of the season with Duda & Ike, though thankfully they were able to resolve that one pretty quick. I guess my point is this FO likes to hedge and when their long term plans aren't coming to fruition they make a lot of short term "bandaid" moves that contort players into abnormal positions. Many employees would find it enormously frustrating if they woke up, went into work and found out their role had been changed to something they didn't normally do.
hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I doubt any pitcher would genuinely like it but they are dealing with young pitchers on inning limits, Harvey coming off TJ on limits and a current glut of starting pitchers. Obviously they feel this is the best current path to take considering those factors.
hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I think he's been very open about it when not on Mets air. Darling has made himself a national voice, so he can get away with sharing his thoughts more. He's openly trashed the move on radio interviews.
If you really believed 6-man was the way to go, you would have prepared your staff for this in ST instead of throwing it against the wall just because you couldn't get a deal done to get rid of the extra arms.
hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
Good for Darling. Gary's a stat freak first and foremost. He's more likely to recite how many hot dogs a stadium cooks per Harvey start than understand what Darling's take is on a six man rotation.
hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I think he's been very open about it when not on Mets air. Darling has made himself a national voice, so he can get away with sharing his thoughts more. He's openly trashed the move on radio interviews.
If you really believed 6-man was the way to go, you would have prepared your staff for this in ST instead of throwing it against the wall just because you couldn't get a deal done to get rid of the extra arms.
This was the basic gist of his issue. He said it's one thing if organizationally these guys were in 6 man rotations in the minors but that the "extra work" on the side is not the same regardless of how hard they try and replicate it. Gary made it sound like side sessions can make up the difference. Darling 100% disagreed.
hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I doubt any pitcher would genuinely like it but they are dealing with young pitchers on inning limits, Harvey coming off TJ on limits and a current glut of starting pitchers. Obviously they feel this is the best current path to take considering those factors.
Tons of teams have had young rotations with injury limits yet a 6 man rotation is RIDICULOUSLY rare. The whole path to getting there stinks of a bumbling/desperation move vs. a planned "do it our way" plan.
I don't like the 6 man rotation at all. The problem is that there are caps on most of these young guys and it's going to be hard to keep everyone under. Especially if we're still in the mix in September.
hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I think he's been very open about it when not on Mets air. Darling has made himself a national voice, so he can get away with sharing his thoughts more. He's openly trashed the move on radio interviews.
If you really believed 6-man was the way to go, you would have prepared your staff for this in ST instead of throwing it against the wall just because you couldn't get a deal done to get rid of the extra arms.
This was the basic gist of his issue. He said it's one thing if organizationally these guys were in 6 man rotations in the minors but that the "extra work" on the side is not the same regardless of how hard they try and replicate it. Gary made it sound like side sessions can make up the difference. Darling 100% disagreed.
I defer to Darling. Every pitcher in the country learns to pitch every 5 days. If you want to run a 6-man, you have to train your kids to do so. Seems like common sense to me. Practice according to how you expect to perform. Harvey would know how he feels with an extra rest day if he had had to experience it months ago. The adjustment would have been made by now.
pointing out the flaws and being critical of the 6 man rotation. Darling has also basically said that Harvey needs to deal with it. I agree with both of those points.
hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I doubt any pitcher would genuinely like it but they are dealing with young pitchers on inning limits, Harvey coming off TJ on limits and a current glut of starting pitchers. Obviously they feel this is the best current path to take considering those factors.
Tons of teams have had young rotations with injury limits yet a 6 man rotation is RIDICULOUSLY rare. The whole path to getting there stinks of a bumbling/desperation move vs. a planned "do it our way" plan.
I don't like the 6 man rotation either. Doesn't mean I think Harvey needs to whine about it though. I can not like the decision and also not like how a players handles that decision at the same time.
I don't like the 6 man rotation at all. The problem is that there are caps on most of these young guys and it's going to be hard to keep everyone under. Especially if we're still in the mix in September.
The caps seemed to be overplayed by fans. The only guy with a legit "cap" is Harvey coming off of TJ. deGrom threw 178.1 innings last year and could have gone more (per dePo) but had back soreness to end the season. Even if you use the tradional 30/50... that's 208-228 innings before you would shut him down. He's on pace for 205.
Thor threw 133 last year, which means his cap is roughly 170-180,Matz threw 140, so 170-190 cap. Skipping a start here or there made a lot more sense than a 6 man
was Mr Nice Guy and never spoke his mind? Harvey is not a wallflower on a team that is a garden of wall flowers. Nobody say anything, just be the robots and don't dare question the Genius that is Terry Collins.
I don't like the 6 man rotation at all. The problem is that there are caps on most of these young guys and it's going to be hard to keep everyone under. Especially if we're still in the mix in September.
The caps seemed to be overplayed by fans. The only guy with a legit "cap" is Harvey coming off of TJ. deGrom threw 178.1 innings last year and could have gone more (per dePo) but had back soreness to end the season. Even if you use the tradional 30/50... that's 208-228 innings before you would shut him down. He's on pace for 205.
Thor threw 133 last year, which means his cap is roughly 170-180,Matz threw 140, so 170-190 cap. Skipping a start here or there made a lot more sense than a 6 man
I'm just going by what they said. A few weeks ago they said most of these guys were on pace to go beyond the amount of innings they wanted them throwing and so they were going to the 6 man.
I'm fine with skipping starts here and there but that could get tricky as well. Montero would have been a good guy to use as a spot starter but that's not an option right now and we can't put Niese or Colon in the pen.
I think everyone would have grudingly accept the 6-man as a necessity
If they didn't back off it the first time. And the way they banged Gee around from role to role and made a career-met who wanted to be here into a bitter castoff is bush league at best. I get that he wasn't performing great, but they handled that about as well as Gee was performing at pitching. Players see these things.
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The caps seemed to be overplayed by fans. The only guy with a legit "cap" is Harvey coming off of TJ. deGrom threw 178.1 innings last year and could have gone more (per dePo) but had back soreness to end the season. Even if you use the tradional 30/50... that's 208-228 innings before you would shut him down. He's on pace for 205.
Thor threw 133 last year, which means his cap is roughly 170-180,Matz threw 140, so 170-190 cap. Skipping a start here or there made a lot more sense than a 6 man
Dan, are you including minor league playoff innings as well, or just regular season innings?
was Mr Nice Guy and never spoke his mind? Harvey is not a wallflower on a team that is a garden of wall flowers. Nobody say anything, just be the robots and don't dare question the Genius that is Terry Collins.
They have built a very soft/vanilla team. Openly targeting laid back "good guys". They also lack talent but this has been an issue for a few years now.
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The caps seemed to be overplayed by fans. The only guy with a legit "cap" is Harvey coming off of TJ. deGrom threw 178.1 innings last year and could have gone more (per dePo) but had back soreness to end the season. Even if you use the tradional 30/50... that's 208-228 innings before you would shut him down. He's on pace for 205.
Thor threw 133 last year, which means his cap is roughly 170-180,Matz threw 140, so 170-190 cap. Skipping a start here or there made a lot more sense than a 6 man
Dan, are you including minor league playoff innings as well, or just regular season innings?
Not including minor league playoff innings but if you want to be fair DePo has said they don't include them either (in regard to deGrom last year). DePo said it's a "rough +30" and cited specifically regular season innings. Here he is from 2014 on Thor
"I would say as a rough estimate, thats fine, DePodesta said. A lot of its going to be on how he actually racks up those innings -- how efficient he is in the pitch counts, how much rest hes getting between starts, how much side work we do with him.
So there are a lot of other things that we factor into it. But, as a general marker, thats roughly fair. I mean, we may go over that. We end up feeling we have to come short of that. But Id say its at least a fair estimate."
2 starts each and that already shaved off 12-14 innings. 1 start is still 6-7 innings. Further, what exactly are Niese or Colon doing for the Mets should they make the playoffs? Suddenly expected to be able to work out of the pen at that time? I think if the 6 man rotation were such a good idea we would see it throughout baseball (yes, the Mets have a good rotation at the top but lets not act like Niese and Colon are SO good you need them starting).
Personally there are two ways to handle the extra starting pitching - in my simple opinion.
1- keep an extra starter or two in the bullpen. When one of the young kids clearly aren't sharp that day - pull him early. Put the 6th starter in the 3rd inning or so. Downside is the kids don't learn to pitch without their best stuff when it's missing. Upside is you can save 4 innings a couple times a season.
2 - my personal way to go. DL a guy midsession. Skip his turn in the rotation for 15 days. Saves two stars, 12-14 innings. Even better alternative for non Niese/Colon guys is to send them to AAA. Keep them on their routine of starting every 5th day, but only let them pitch the first inning. Ladder each starter that needs to limit innings through the middle of the season. Kept them all fresh and rejuvenated mid season ready for the stretch run and hopefull playoffs.
was Mr Nice Guy and never spoke his mind? Harvey is not a wallflower on a team that is a garden of wall flowers. Nobody say anything, just be the robots and don't dare question the Genius that is Terry Collins.
IMO if Hodges had set a 6 man rotation when a young Seaver was still shy of his 20th win he wouldn't openly complain to the press about it after a loss where it could be interpreted as making excuses.
Now the older veteran Seaver who by then had many contract issues with the front office by that point probably would have.
Personally there are two ways to handle the extra starting pitching - in my simple opinion.
1- keep an extra starter or two in the bullpen. When one of the young kids clearly aren't sharp that day - pull him early. Put the 6th starter in the 3rd inning or so. Downside is the kids don't learn to pitch without their best stuff when it's missing. Upside is you can save 4 innings a couple times a season.
2 - my personal way to go. DL a guy midsession. Skip his turn in the rotation for 15 days. Saves two stars, 12-14 innings. Even better alternative for non Niese/Colon guys is to send them to AAA. Keep them on their routine of starting every 5th day, but only let them pitch the first inning. Ladder each starter that needs to limit innings through the middle of the season. Kept them all fresh and rejuvenated mid season ready for the stretch run and hopefull playoffs.
The Mets supposedly were tinkering with a phantom DL situation before the year (specifically with Harvey) but I think the league came down on them or threatened to because it never came up again.
I don't think anyone is saying Niese/Colon are "SO good" that they have to be starting but what is the alternative? You're going to put one of those guys in the pen?
I know for Matz they are including his playoff pitches last year, odd they wouldn't have included them for DeGrom last year. But is it really unlike the Mets to be inconsistent in their statements lol?
one very important thing to think about playoffs and pitch limits and six man rotation. How many starters are used for the playoffs? What happens to the other two starters? Who stays in the rotation and who goes to the pen?
Good luck imposing anything on the Mets and Boras with a top ten pitcher recovering from TJS. Seriously. Claim dead arm and we are being cautious. Done.
Second alternative is much easier, send them to the minors. You then have the option of bringing them back after 10 days as opposed to 15. Easier to do twice in the year than one 15 day DL stint.
I don't think anyone is saying Niese/Colon are "SO good" that they have to be starting but what is the alternative? You're going to put one of those guys in the pen?
I wasn't aiming that at you or being snarky but everyone insisted the Mets could get something for one of Gee, Niese and Colon so either people are now admitting they were wrong or the Mets are choosing not to. Why can't Jon Niese work out of the pen as a long man?
was sent packing because he had a personality, the only reason, thought for a bench guy he was too outspoken. The Mets want a team
of Stepford wives and Harvey isnt one
Sure, they could put Niese in the pen as a long man but I don't see it working all that well and IIRC, you've said yourself in the past that you didn't think it would either. This was back when we were trying to clear one of Niese/Gee from the rotation. Most seemed to think Gee made more sense as a longman.
You have guys that are all young pitchers that you do not want to overthrow in their first/second years in the big leagues. There is still the possibility that we make the playoffs, so they have to take those innings into account as well (unless you want a situation like the Nats had with Strasburg a couple of years ago).
They are also still trying to trade Niese and Colon is still a good influence on the young guys, so they are not kicking them out of the rotation. If Niese gives you a couple more good starts before the trade deadline, he will have built up his trade value and should bring back SOMETHING of note.
Sure, they could put Niese in the pen as a long man but I don't see it working all that well and IIRC, you've said yourself in the past that you didn't think it would either. This was back when we were trying to clear one of Niese/Gee from the rotation. Most seemed to think Gee made more sense as a longman.
I don't think Jon Niese would be especially good as a reliever but I also think that MORE deGrom, Harvey and Thor is more valuable than Niese being great as the 5th reliever.
was sent packing because he had a personality, the only reason, thought for a bench guy he was too outspoken. The Mets want a team
of Stepford wives and Harvey isnt one
Yup. Didn't like Turner's influence on the clubhouse.
Steve in KY: In '69, the Mes actually invented the 5 man rotation.
Hodges, Rube Walker and the org. felt that the lowering of the mound would be taxing on the arm and an extra day would be required.
Great interview with Seaver by Bill Madden yesterday in the NYDN. Seaver would CLEARLY be on Harvey's side. I particularly like Seaver's view on pitch count, that they had one back then, but it was different for each individual, not some arbitrary number like today's 100 pitches. Seaver-Madden interview - ( New Window )
And Seaver was never "nice". He was, is a prick. And I mean that as
Sure, they could put Niese in the pen as a long man but I don't see it working all that well and IIRC, you've said yourself in the past that you didn't think it would either. This was back when we were trying to clear one of Niese/Gee from the rotation. Most seemed to think Gee made more sense as a longman.
I don't think Jon Niese would be especially good as a reliever but I also think that MORE deGrom, Harvey and Thor is more valuable than Niese being great as the 5th reliever.
I'd probably rather just take whatever we could get in a trade. If we move him to the pen, he'll make a big stink about it the same way Gee did. Not that it really matters but I'd rather not have another disgruntled pitcher in the clubhouse.
hope the Mets have the balls to shake things up a bit in the off-season. Too many vanilla players and in all honesty it might be time to look at Wright as a side piece vs. the face of the franchise.
hope the Mets have the balls to shake things up a bit in the off-season. Too many vanilla players and in all honesty it might be time to look at Wright as a side piece vs. the face of the franchise.
Well, for what the Mets want their face of the franchise to be, Wright fits the mold perfectly. I like Wright, but if you called Central Casting for an actor to fill the role of photogenic crowd pleaser, they'd send you David Wright.
Jose Reyes was probably more of a face for the team, or he should have been. When he was good, they were good. That was shockingly clear.
hope the Mets have the balls to shake things up a bit in the off-season. Too many vanilla players and in all honesty it might be time to look at Wright as a side piece vs. the face of the franchise.
Well, for what the Mets want their face of the franchise to be, Wright fits the mold perfectly. I like Wright, but if you called Central Casting for an actor to fill the role of photogenic crowd pleaser, they'd send you David Wright.
Jose Reyes was probably more of a face for the team, or he should have been. When he was good, they were good. That was shockingly clear.
I don't really care who they market, my concern is more building a team "around" Wright. Granderson, Cuddyer... "Wright type" of personalities. Duda is very quiet, Flores is known to be quiet, no idea on Lagares but you get the picture. TDA is more of a badass but how badass can you be when you are ALWAYS hurt?
was sent packing because he had a personality, the only reason, thought for a bench guy he was too outspoken. The Mets want a team
of Stepford wives and Harvey isnt one
He was more of a Marlon Byrd issue than any other reason.
the 6 man rotation.... it is one extra day, grow up and deal with it... it is the best situation for the Mets currently, they have 6 starters that all deserve to pitch, plus they have innings limits. One day does not deserve this much crying.
the 6 man rotation.... it is one extra day, grow up and deal with it... it is the best situation for the Mets currently, they have 6 starters that all deserve to pitch, plus they have innings limits. One day does not deserve this much crying.
If you went to the gym and were in a routine to be at your best, what would happen if each week your routine was disrupted? Would you be at your best?
to get back in a rhythm... again, if it was a one day shift it isn't a big deal. There will always be something changing and if you are so stuck that you cannot adjust, then that is a major issue.
enough read but really downplays Stuart's issue with K's
231 ab's 95 k's!!! Link - ( New Window )
Thanks for the link Dan, appreciate that.
Stuart being listed there is why I think prospect lists are hysterical. That's not even projection, that's purely based on tools and BEST case scenario.
That might be the first and last paragraph that Winningham and speed are ever mentioned together. Though he is growing up, maturing a bit and in much better shape (not saying much)
And of course Dan, your boy Brosher gets a mention!!! He packs a hell of a wallop lol.
was sent packing because he had a personality, the only reason, thought for a bench guy he was too outspoken. The Mets want a team
of Stepford wives and Harvey isnt one
He was more of a Marlon Byrd issue than any other reason.
I wondered about that when I saw all the interviews with Turner talking about how he changed his hitting approach to the exact opposite of what Sandy and crew believed in thanks to Byrd. I'm starting to think there's genuinely a deficiency in fundamental "baseball guys" in the front office. Shecky?
was sent packing because he had a personality, the only reason, thought for a bench guy he was too outspoken. The Mets want a team
of Stepford wives and Harvey isnt one
He was more of a Marlon Byrd issue than any other reason.
I wondered about that when I saw all the interviews with Turner talking about how he changed his hitting approach to the exact opposite of what Sandy and crew believed in thanks to Byrd. I'm starting to think there's genuinely a deficiency in fundamental "baseball guys" in the front office. Shecky?
I also find it surprising that all these veteran hitters all of a sudden forget how to hit once they sign with the Mets.
Is it a coaching/organization problem? Everyone but Murphy is hitting below .250!
Hodges, Rube Walker and the org. felt that the lowering of the mound would be taxing on the arm and an extra day would be required.
Great interview with Seaver by Bill Madden yesterday in the NYDN. Seaver would CLEARLY be on Harvey's side. I particularly like Seaver's view on pitch count, that they had one back then, but it was different for each individual, not some arbitrary number like today's 100 pitches. Seaver-Madden interview - ( New Window )
I'm certain he would and anyone who knows my views knows I am no fan of pitch counts and have often quoted both Seaver and Ryan with regards to their views on the subject.
But that still doesn't have anything to do with whether you believe Seaver would have whined as much about things as Harvey has at this point (19 wins) in their respective carriers. I certainly don't remember Seaver doing so as a young pitcher especially after he just put up a very bad outing where it might be looked at as excuse making. Seaver as much as anyone went about taking care of business and not making excuses. Sure his relationship with the front office became strained and he at times voiced his views later in his career, but that is much different than griping about "game related circumstances" after a poor performance at the beginning of his career.
on day 1 he would be hitting over .300 at this point. Now I realize Daniel Murphy had to be the 2b, but it is coincidence that moving WF off of SS has relaxed him and is becoming the hitter we think he is or is he just getting hot and would have happened if he stayed at SS? I think moving him off SS is what did it, he loves playing 2b and almost made an all world DP yesterday with Justin Turner baring down on him
I think Wilmer could have still done this if he were at SS. He was slumping and due to break out of it. Obviously 2B is the better spot for him defensively but I think this offense would have come either way.
on day 1 he would be hitting over .300 at this point. Now I realize Daniel Murphy had to be the 2b, but it is coincidence that moving WF off of SS has relaxed him and is becoming the hitter we think he is or is he just getting hot and would have happened if he stayed at SS? I think moving him off SS is what did it, he loves playing 2b and almost made an all world DP yesterday with Justin Turner baring down on him
I agree with this. Thank god they didn't trade Murphy with the Wright situation, but I think if he had never been shuffled ultimately he would have been more comfortable and his overall development would be further along, which may mean his hitting as well.
Pitched like 133 innings last year. He is definitely on an innings watch this year. He's the only damn stud in our rotation NOT to need Tommy John yet and oh shucks, he throws harder than any starter in the game. I'm not adding 70 innings to his arm in his first full season. No way.
would be equally as productive at 2nd as it would 3rd IMO.
Before anybody falls in love with him at 2nd, which is clearly better than SS (hypocrites jumping the bandwagon again BTW), don't be shocked if he doesn't become the 3rd baseman as an inexpensive Hererra at 2nd is less costly than trading him or others for a 3rd baseman and keeping Flores at 2nd.
A maturing Herrera at 2nd and Flores at 3rd might actually be better in 2016+ if FreDUH spends the savings elsewhere (assuming Wright is finished).
You might be right, I honestly don't know. I just think he was due to break out anyway. I really like him as a hitter and have believed in that aspect of his game since day 1. I just think no matter where he was playing, he was going to come out of it.
That said, maybe not to this extent. We will see how long he keeps it going. If he sticks at 2B for a while and keeps hitting, then maybe it was a comfort thing after all.
but seeing him as a 2b he looks like a different player in my eyes
I would agree, it could very well be that being at SS affected him negatively at the plate. It's been know to happen.
Typical of the Mets though. They finally find an IF with a legit bat and hey play him out of position until he is nearly a zombie at the plate.
Remember when Reyes was ready to become the full time SS and they signed that Japanese SS (who S-U-C-K-E-D SUCKED!) and wasted Reyes' rookie year learning 2B?
100% confident that Herrera is our 2nd baseman of the future. The guy is a complete stud and our future "Pedroia" He had a couple week spurts where he got himself in a rut but he'll be back soon. After continuing to be ice cold in Vegas I think he's about to explode out of it again.
The point is, with that kind of talent beating down the door at any moment I still can't get on board with Flores at 2nd. I still see Flores being shifted back to SS later this year when Wright and Murphy are on the field anyway and at best I see him as a placeholder there in 2016 until Cechinni arrives. I also think he might be nice insurance against Wright in 2016 at third.
was about to come out of it any position. He had a few hot streaks at SS earlier in the year and he also took a couple oh-fers at 2nd when he first moved over.
And again. No one here ever argued that Flores' best position was SS. The argument in favor of playing him there was founded on the belief that he could put up Peralta-like offensive numbers there and max his value. No one assumed Wright was going to miss this much time and we already had Murphy/Herrera at 2B. Since we all wanted Flo's bat in a lineup that needed it, it was the move that made the most sense.
Circumstances have obviously changed here.
RE: I can't prove my point because it is unprovable
but seeing him as a 2b he looks like a different player in my eyes
I thought you liked him as the ss?
But I agree he look much more relaxed at the plate. He is finally hitting like all of us hoped he would. I don't remember him having a three hit game the entre season while playing ss but now he has a few in a row already. It seems like more than just a coincidence.
Because people rave about Flores' bat, and he's got some power too, whereas Hererra looks the part of a slap hitter. Wouldn't you rather have the better slugger, all other things being equal?
And again. No one here ever argued that Flores' best position was SS. The argument in favor of playing him there was founded on the belief that he could put up Peralta-like offensive numbers there and max his value. No one assumed Wright was going to miss this much time and we already had Murphy/Herrera at 2B. Since we all wanted Flo's bat in a lineup that needed it, it was the move that made the most sense.
Circumstances have obviously changed here.
Right so what happens if everybody comes back? I personally would have left him at SS unless you were moving him off for good. Wright's doctors are still guaranteeing he'll play this year and he might even start some mild baseball activity soon. It is also clear to me that Herrera was the organizations FIRST option before they opted to go to Tejada for a while.
RE: What kind of hitter does Herrera profile to be?
Because people rave about Flores' bat, and he's got some power too, whereas Hererra looks the part of a slap hitter. Wouldn't you rather have the better slugger, all other things being equal?
Herrera has "15-20" homerun pop, probably plays a better defensive 2nd AND hits for a higher average. He also has some speed. I think this kid is a future all-star.
RE: What kind of hitter does Herrera profile to be?
Because people rave about Flores' bat, and he's got some power too, whereas Hererra looks the part of a slap hitter. Wouldn't you rather have the better slugger, all other things being equal?
Who knows how it plays out with DW's back in the coming years. We night see Hererra at 2nd and Flores at 3rd at some point in the future. Flores has the power for it and he should only get stronger with time.
WF has hit in the Major Leagues, while Herrera has flashed at times and has looked lost at others. I'll go with the proven commodity over potential all the time
Right now I think the IF is in it's best alignment given the health
of the team. Herrera isn't ready for prime time yet, which is fine considering he just turned 21. No reason to rush him until he's literally too good for AAA, and even then it's not like it will kill his value if he's scorching in Vegas.
3B is Murphy's best position, he's a FA after the season, and who knows when/if Wright comes back. And if he does who knows how he will play. Murphy (or Flores) as a utility guy isn't the worst option in the world.
SS is the black hole, as it's been for all of Ruben Tejada's 4 year reign as the most indestructible turd on the roster. Slim pickings around the majors for an upgrade. Tulo is too big of a risk. Rollins is intriguing to me just because he only has 1 year left. Lowrie is interesting but he has 2 years left after this one. Castro may be a good buy low.
And again. No one here ever argued that Flores' best position was SS. The argument in favor of playing him there was founded on the belief that he could put up Peralta-like offensive numbers there and max his value. No one assumed Wright was going to miss this much time and we already had Murphy/Herrera at 2B. Since we all wanted Flo's bat in a lineup that needed it, it was the move that made the most sense.
Circumstances have obviously changed here.
Right so what happens if everybody comes back? I personally would have left him at SS unless you were moving him off for good. Wright's doctors are still guaranteeing he'll play this year and he might even start some mild baseball activity soon. It is also clear to me that Herrera was the organizations FIRST option before they opted to go to Tejada for a while.
It's a good question. If Wright comes back, he has to go back to 3B obviously. There's no other option. Next decision is whether to keep Wilmer at 2B or put Murphy there. If it's Murph, then you have to decide if you want to try Flo at SS again or leave Tejada there.
It's a problem because no matter what, if Flores isn't the SS, it has to be Tejada. Which is exactly the scenario we've all been hoping to avoid.
I always have. I feel he can play an "average" SS defensively and put up huge numbers at that position offensively which would cause his value to sky rocket. Also with Wright, Murphy and Herrera it really was the only position that made sense. Obviously he can play 3B or 2B just as well if not better but that wasn't in the cards earlier and it still might not be.
And again. No one here ever argued that Flores' best position was SS. The argument in favor of playing him there was founded on the belief that he could put up Peralta-like offensive numbers there and max his value. No one assumed Wright was going to miss this much time and we already had Murphy/Herrera at 2B. Since we all wanted Flo's bat in a lineup that needed it, it was the move that made the most sense.
Circumstances have obviously changed here.
Right so what happens if everybody comes back? I personally would have left him at SS unless you were moving him off for good. Wright's doctors are still guaranteeing he'll play this year and he might even start some mild baseball activity soon. It is also clear to me that Herrera was the organizations FIRST option before they opted to go to Tejada for a while.
It's a good question. If Wright comes back, he has to go back to 3B obviously. There's no other option. Next decision is whether to keep Wilmer at 2B or put Murphy there. If it's Murph, then you have to decide if you want to try Flo at SS again or leave Tejada there.
It's a problem because no matter what, if Flores isn't the SS, it has to be Tejada. Which is exactly the scenario we've all been hoping to avoid.
I really do think Tejada would be the backup middle infielder unless he is raking or something. They made every move imaginable to avoid starting Tejada again but we had so many injuries they had no choice. Still, I can't see them picking Tejada over Murphy and Flores to start if everyones healthy.
I think he can be a very good ballplayer. He brings things to the table and I hope he continues to develop. i just think that WF has proven more at the ML level to this point and I would not pull him off of 2b when and if Wright comes back
Herrera impacting THIS season as well. Everybody is ready to write the kid off after a few cold weeks. We aren't even at the all-star break yet. Lot of season left.
I think he can be a very good ballplayer. He brings things to the table and I hope he continues to develop. i just think that WF has proven more at the ML level to this point and I would not pull him off of 2b when and if Wright comes back
Well if you are talking about THIS year and Wright comes back than Murphy would shift to second and we are back to Flores at SS again. Thats what we are saying.
For this season at least if they all come back healthy
I think Wilmer goes back to ss. I don't believe they would any longer view him as the answer there and he won't start there next season but I can't see him on the bench and Tejada playing every day.
RE: For this season at least if they all come back healthy
I think Wilmer goes back to ss. I don't believe they would any longer view him as the answer there and he won't start there next season but I can't see him on the bench and Tejada playing every day.
Yeah me too. And I honestly think Flores's future is pretty muddy here. Cechinni, Nimmo, and Conforto will all be pushing their way on the team next season. I think Herrera is absolutely ready by next year. Wright will still be in the mix in some capacity. Maybe we offer Murphy a QO if the Wright situation is really murky and dare him to take it. I think our best bet is for Flores to raise his value as much as possible this year. Showcase him at three positions and hope somebody bites in the offseason sadly. And I love Flores. Think he's a great kid.
how much of a perfect addition to this team would be a left-handed hitting outfielder that could platoon with Lagares in CF some and I can't help but think of Nimmo at some point. I think they could make a great platoon actually. Our modern day Dykstra and Mookie.
Conforto in LF. Nimmo/Lagares in CF. Upton/Cespedes in RF. ;)
They need a platoon guy now though - this year and probably next w TJS
lingering. kids aren't the answer to adding wins in the short term. Parra would, but IMO Gomez is the perfect buy low guy to add now because Upton/Cespedes are likely too expensive with Cuddyer/Granderson still on the books.
Get Gomez, play him at all 3 OF spots, and then hopefully resign him as Cuddyer's contract is ending. Maybe Granderson will even be tradeable at that point since he'll only have 1 year left. You'd also have a lot more clarity on David Wright's situation 18 months from now when his current contract ends.
lingering. kids aren't the answer to adding wins in the short term. Parra would, but IMO Gomez is the perfect buy low guy to add now because Upton/Cespedes are likely too expensive with Cuddyer/Granderson still on the books.
Get Gomez, play him at all 3 OF spots, and then hopefully resign him as Cuddyer's contract is ending. Maybe Granderson will even be tradeable at that point since he'll only have 1 year left. You'd also have a lot more clarity on David Wright's situation 18 months from now when his current contract ends.
Im not sure about Gomez. He's hitting his 30s and is having a pretty bad year. If he were brought in, I think you have to play him in CF to capitalize on his value. His bat wouldn't play up in a corner. With Niese, Gee, Colon, Murphy likely all coming off the books the Mets could absolutely make a play for Upton/Cespedes. Upton might get 200 million but Cespedes might only get half that. Either way the Mets should have the wiggle room to make a play if they really want. Conforto could impact that however. If he finishes Vegas this year raking and is pronounced "ready" and Granderson is coming off a "Upton like" season a 2016 outfield of Conforto-Lagares/Nimmo-Granderson doesn't look all that bad. We'll see what happens.
As for right now. I still like going after somebody like Parra to share time with Lagares or maybe somebody like Brock Holt. Seems like a much safer play. Gomez scares me.
can apparently make it back from Tommy John in 6-8 months. If Lagares has it the day the season ends we might get him back pretty early in the season next year and Im hoping Nimmo can share some time there. A guy like Parra would be a nice 4th outfielder to have around for that also.
to Upton and they have 5 more years on Wright, what are the odds they resign any of their top 5 pitchers? 0 %
This thing with Wright likely only gets worst over the coming years and possibly some of that money is coming back from insurance. We don't need to sign a single starter until 2019 in Harvey and Im almost thinking its a forgone conclusion he's walking anyway. The other guys aren't hitting FA until like 2022. We have a long time before we have to worry about it really.
With young guys like Herrera, Cechinni, Conforto, and Nimmo we actually should be able to keep the payroll down for the next few years. I also think if we are in it down the stretch this year fans are going to be coming out to Citified. We are already shattering attendance numbers this year compared to the last few seasons. I think the team's payroll will continue to go up as the coffers get replenished.
If they have the budget to be in on Cespedes or Upton
I'd agree 100% and Gomez wouldn't make sense. I tend to doubt they will be looking to spend 150M+ though until they know the deal with Wright, and I see no way he doesn't give it a go next season. You'd definitely need that much $ for Upton, may also need that for Cespedes. Choo got 130M the same year Peralta seemed overpaid at 50M, so I think it's safe to say inflation may take Cespedes pretty high.
Gomez has been worth 2x the WAR of either of those guys over the past 2 years and he's signed reasonably for next year. If I knew the budget was going to be tight next offseason with Wright in limbo I'd be going very hard for him right now.
also Gomez two career years. His career numbers aren't that impressive and in his 30's now I worry about his ability to be able to play a gold glove caliber CF and steal bases (where most of his value came from).
I think the Upton sweepstakes might get a little crazy but I wouldn't be surprised if we made a play. Sandy has had a hard on for him in the past. Cespedes should get much less but we are still talking 100 million obviously. I actually think Gomez will get close to that too and I think somebody will paying Gomez on the downside of his career. With Lagares/Nimmo Id rather go after Cespedes. And like I said who knows? Granderson is having a very good year. If he keeps it up all year and Conforto is ready we might not even need to make a move.
Probably because our bumbling manager flat out said he likely needs it. But your right they could go the rest and rehab route. I think he should get it done personally. He isn't that essential to our team that being out for a couple months in 2016 kills us either way.
still pisses me off. If the asshole and his agent just accepted his demotion to AAA(He cleared waivers) he's likely killing it in Vegas and is a real option right now with Cuddyer slumping so bad. Instead he's been banished to Siberia and we likely never see him again.
still pisses me off. If the asshole and his agent just accepted his demotion to AAA(He cleared waivers) he's likely killing it in Vegas and is a real option right now with Cuddyer slumping so bad. Instead he's been banished to Siberia and we likely never see him again.
Ohhhh mannnn, you had to rile me up again on this shit??
still pisses me off. If the asshole and his agent just accepted his demotion to AAA(He cleared waivers) he's likely killing it in Vegas and is a real option right now with Cuddyer slumping so bad. Instead he's been banished to Siberia and we likely never see him again.
Ohhhh mannnn, you had to rile me up again on this shit??
LOL. Sorry Shecky. Im sure the Mets prefer out of sight out of mind, but I haven't forgot! :)
still pisses me off. If the asshole and his agent just accepted his demotion to AAA(He cleared waivers) he's likely killing it in Vegas and is a real option right now with Cuddyer slumping so bad. Instead he's been banished to Siberia and we likely never see him again.
Is that guy still on the DL doing nothing? What a bum.
He might just be yet another AAAA bat though.
Obviously can't prove it but I doubt he's even injured. He pissed off the wrong people one too many times. He had a very small micro fracture and was thought to be out only a short while. We literally have not heard a single report, rehab update, nothing... and we are in July now.
He screwed over the organization and the betterment of the team over a few lousy bucks so he could get placed on the ML DL, not the AAA DL. I think the Mets said, you want to be injured at the major league level? Fine. Fuck you then. We could use your 40 man spot anyway.
First we would have to clear a 40 spot which we are in very short supply of and then we would have to try to re-pass him through waivers again. It would be a huge headache. The first step was transferring him to the 60 day DL to clear a spot, next will be season ending and there isn't shit he or his agent can do about it. They fought to prove he was injured in spring training so technically the Mets haven't done anything wrong.
Angels are looking for a lefty OF, I'd offer them Andy for Aybar. Fixes our SS situation for this year and next, cuts payroll by $8mm next year and frees up $16mm year after.
Then I call the Twins and pick up Oswaldo Arcio for cheap. Platoon him with Cuddyer in LF.
Then pick up Josh Reddick for RF.
All doable. Nothing too expensive to acquire. Nothing expensive dollar wise. Nothing long term for future flexibility. I'd complete each trade and announce them the second tonight's game is over.
I'm done playing GM for the day, and I'll invoice Alderson for the advice if he's reading this...
Angels are looking for a lefty OF, I'd offer them Andy for Aybar. Fixes our SS situation for this year and next, cuts payroll by $8mm next year and frees up $16mm year after.
Then I call the Twins and pick up Oswaldo Arcio for cheap. Platoon him with Cuddyer in LF.
Then pick up Josh Reddick for RF.
All doable. Nothing too expensive to acquire. Nothing expensive dollar wise. Nothing long term for future flexibility. I'd complete each trade and announce them the second tonight's game is over.
I'm done playing GM for the day, and I'll invoice Alderson for the advice if he's reading this...
I like it. Granderson for Aybar might be hard to pull off though. I'd love to go after Reddick this year.
Kirk is exactly what people mean when they call guys "AAAA" players. He's going to hit every time he goes to LV but he can't hit here. How many times now has the guy been "hot" in AAA only to come up here and shit the bed? I feel like we have seen this movie 5 times already. At least.
How about the GM tries to get a Major League caliber 4th OFer on this roster so that we don't need to keep doing this? It shouldn't be that hard. If you can't do that, then just call up Conforto. Watching these putrid minor league lifers continue to get AB's on a daily basis is legitimately insulting. Enough. It's tiresome.
Kirk is exactly what people mean when they call guys "AAAA" players. He's going to hit every time he goes to LV but he can't hit here. How many times now has the guy been "hot" in AAA only to come up here and shit the bed? I feel like we have seen this movie 5 times already. At least.
No disrespect, I just don't get where this comes from. Kirk was very good last year. I get he sucked early this season though.
Kirk is exactly what people mean when they call guys "AAAA" players. He's going to hit every time he goes to LV but he can't hit here. How many times now has the guy been "hot" in AAA only to come up here and shit the bed? I feel like we have seen this movie 5 times already. At least.
No disrespect, I just don't get where this comes from. Kirk was very good last year. I get he sucked early this season though.
He's a career .226, .666 OPS player who is hitting .100 this year in 37 MLB games. .100
How about the GM tries to get a Major League caliber 4th OFer on this roster so that we don't need to keep doing this? It shouldn't be that hard. If you can't do that, then just call up Conforto. Watching these putrid minor league lifers continue to get AB's on a daily basis is legitimately insulting. Enough. It's tiresome.
Bottom line is this... everyone blames the owners... and they SUCK but the GM hasn't done his job. People can attack me and defend him all you want but 100% of the Sandy defense is how patient he is... patience only gets you so far... how about the waiver wire? How about minor moves? Relying on crap to suddenly not be crap is silly
How about the GM tries to get a Major League caliber 4th OFer on this roster so that we don't need to keep doing this? It shouldn't be that hard. If you can't do that, then just call up Conforto. Watching these putrid minor league lifers continue to get AB's on a daily basis is legitimately insulting. Enough. It's tiresome.
Bottom line is this... everyone blames the owners... and they SUCK but the GM hasn't done his job. People can attack me and defend him all you want but 100% of the Sandy defense is how patient he is... patience only gets you so far... how about the waiver wire? How about minor moves? Relying on crap to suddenly not be crap is silly
I agree. There are still ways to improve the roster on a restricted budget. No one is saying the guy has to make a blockbuster trade but the best GM's are the ones who find ways to be creative and add pieces. Alderson seems content just waiting for prospects to develop and not being proactive. The guy is ridiculously passive.
Again.. no one says he's got to go out and panic and trade Thor for Tulo. But you can't even add a 4th OFer or improve the bench? Gimmie a fucking break.
Creativity has been a sticking point against Alderson
this is why most Mets "arguments" end up being so annoying. NOBODY is saying trade Thor or Matz for Starlin Castro but I am 10000000000000000000000000% positive there are 4th OFers available for FAR less than that are better than Kirk N.
Bitched about was a LOOGY all spring and Sandy brought in two guys. Who was a waiver claim this year? Dominguez? There just isn't a lot of activity until July. I mean Sandy just held a press conference to announce they are being aggressive and have the money to bring in a significant player right now. Id be surprised if he doesn't make a couple moves to bolster the team quite frankly. And up until this year means nothing to me. We were never competing before 2015 anyway with Harvey out last year.
Bitched about was a LOOGY all spring and Sandy brought in two guys. Who was a waiver claim this year? Dominguez? There just isn't a lot of activity until July. I mean Sandy just held a press conference to announce they are being aggressive and have the money to bring in a significant player right now. Id be surprised if he doesn't make a couple moves to bolster the team quite frankly. And up until this year means nothing to me. We were never competing before 2015 anyway with Harvey out last year.
It's been 3+ years of being one of the LEAST active on the waiver wire (when you are bad you get better claims) and the fewest trades. Why not churn through guys and maybe find a gem? Beane ROUTINELY does this.
Is I doubt Sandy is saying, "I'm out on somebody like Parra because Kirk is here" even though it pisses the fans off so much. Ceciliani has been ice cold and Kirk hit like 5 home runs in the last couple days. This isn't something to flip out over. If they do nothing at all this deadline id agree we would all have a right to be pissed. We have the pitching and are somewhat in it this time around.
ridiculous the GM has ZERO worry for his job in year 6 of a "rebuild". At what point do you at least say "let's see significant improvement"? I'm not saying I'd fire him today but ZERO hot seat? Who has gravitas like this?
Bitched about was a LOOGY all spring and Sandy brought in two guys. Who was a waiver claim this year? Dominguez? There just isn't a lot of activity until July. I mean Sandy just held a press conference to announce they are being aggressive and have the money to bring in a significant player right now. Id be surprised if he doesn't make a couple moves to bolster the team quite frankly. And up until this year means nothing to me. We were never competing before 2015 anyway with Harvey out last year.
So what if we weren't competing? Even more reason to be extra active and bring in guys and see if we could find a diamond in the rough or even a gemstone. What did we have to lose?
I just can't justify the fact that this guy is so ridiculously passive. There are smaller scale moves out there to be made but it seems like he's content telling the fanbase "we are prepared to make ONE move so we're going to sit here and calculate that move for the next month before we make it so that we can hope to make the right one!"
It's a shitty strategy. I'm not asking for much here. I am just sick to freaking death of guys like Kirk and Ceciliani. Before that it was the Mike Baxters. Come on man. Give me some major league players here. This is New York.
anyone here wishes they had. The chances of him getting fired are 1% at best, because I never say never
Which I find to be disappointing at best. No pressure at all. It's not as if he's won a recent WS or is some Met great. At what point IS there pressure to win? Year 7? Year 8? Never?
What happens this year and where we end up before I start spreading venom. We are over .500 with some massive pieces on the DL all year and 3.5 out of first. Sandy is flat out holding conferences to tell fans he's looking and is trying to make additions this year.
Cuddyer is here, you have Mayberry off the bench and now Nieuwenhuis. Campbell provides something, Tejada is really coming around they're sporting a six man rotation.
That the Mets need to be some what in it for a wild card this year or Sandy's job needs to be on the line. So what is that? 83-87 wins?? Nothing I've seen tells me Sandy is in danger of missing our own mark we set.
until the trading deadline. Kirk move is just a move, nothing to really get riled about. Let's also keep this in mind.
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Unfortunately, the Mets, whether it's fair or not, have been operating like a small-market team for the past few years, and it doesn't look like that's going to change soon. No one is bursting through that door to save the team from its financial woes. That means that the current situation is the new normal, and that comes with a different approach. No longer can this team trade away prospects willy-nilly in exchange for expiring contracts. One or two busts from those types of deals could create a huge hole in the future of the franchise that it can't spend its way out of. Perhaps that's why Alderson has been so cautious with his team's prospects. Or maybe it's because the second Wild Card spot creates an extreme seller's market in which only one or two teams want to trade away veteran players.
Either way, the general manager is choosing patience over panic for the time being. Unfortunately, patience doesn't sell papers.
He talks a big game but he's still yet to make a trade for proven MLB talent that actually helps the team. Yes, the Dickey trade was excellent and at the time, it was what we needed to do.
I don't even hate the guy but he keeps telling us what he's doing to do but still hasn't actually done it. Maybe we have to wait until the break when teams talk more but at some point it's put up or shut up.
I liked the Blevins move a lot. But that's what I mean. We can make more small-scale moves like that which will help the team and we rarely seem to do it.
As to the waiver deals, it's easy to get pissed off in a vacuum but you need to look at each player as a case to case. We have a lot of young talent that may or may not have offered just as much upside. Look at last year... Kirk was having a nice year as a 4th or 5th outfielder. Was somebody else's garbage better necessarily? Flores was coming off the bench last year mostly. Does a waiver claim offer more upside than Flores?? I have a hard time believing Sandy doesn't weigh every waiver against what's currently on the roster and judge accordingly. He's made some shrewd moves. Gilmartin has been awesome as an example.
How they worked Montero back to a full starting duty days after he pitched multiple days in the bullpen. Think he has one 5 inning start in AAA in between. Real shitty.
The past 2 years have been an embarrassment for a NY organization. From the moment in the winter of 2013 when he crapped on Tejada with Francesa to now, when they are again forced to give him an every day role because of their own failure to find someone better, their inability to get anything done has been a disgrace. Just as you and Arc have said, this "try the same crap over again and hope it's not crap this time" routine has nothing to do with being patient. You don't need to give up Syndergaard to get a better 4th OFer. And if the budget is so tight, why go into the season wasting 5M on Dillon Gee? Great job anticipating the market and the impending roster crunch.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
What 3 SS's got injured? I'll hang up and listen.
And Justin turner is an excellent backup IF. Ruben Tejada is a replacement level player on his best day and a turd without any plus skills on every other day.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
Agree, and beyond that it took every other option they paraded out there failing miserably before he was given a yet another shot at starting.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
What 3 SS's got injured? I'll hang up and listen.
And Justin turner is an excellent backup IF. Ruben Tejada is a replacement level player on his best day and a turd without any plus skills on every other day.
Lol. I pretty clearly said Tejada was penciled in as a BACKUP middle infielder. Flores was healthy all year so we really didn't need a SS. It took injuries to Wright, Murphy, AND begrudgingly Herrera for them to even consider Tejada.
Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
Agree, and beyond that it took every other option they paraded out there failing miserably before he was given a yet another shot at starting.
Exactly Steve. Pretty clear he was everyone's absolute last resort. Luckily Tejada has done a half way decent job so we should really be happy we had him. Also when Wright comes back, Tejada will be out of a job once again.
Is the contract pressure in Duda's head? He looks lost.
Harvey talking about rhythm etc is aimed at the six man rotation. Can we trade Niese already. If deGrom and Harvey don't like it get rid of it. Period.
Is the contract pressure in Duda's head? He looks lost.
Harvey talking about rhythm etc is aimed at the six man rotation. Can we trade Niese already. If deGrom and Harvey don't like it get rid of it. Period.
its not about them liking it its about saving innings or else there going to have to be shutdown before end of season
Its so good to have Murphy back. He's not great but he's such a professional hitter.
I would be surprised if they dfa carlos torres for mejia
TC says Matz felt some stiffness near his left arm pit after his first start. But he seemed fine today.
Couple days.
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Castro sticks at SS, Flores plays 2b, Murphy plays 3b until Wright comes back and then is a bench guy.
strengthens SS, strengthens 2b and strengthens the bench IMO.
Plus make Murphy totally expendable. depending on Wright.
I honestly don't know. Castro has been THAT bad. He's having a putrid year and isn't half the player Flores is. Im not even sure if he's better than Tejada right now. Murphy is locked into a spot and Wright might still be coming back. Herrera could catch fire in Vegas and be in the mix again at some point. Reynolds is hitting homeruns again and might be heating up. Also it seems like they want to stick with this 6 man rotation for a while to conserve innings. Who replaces Niese? Gee? Yuck.
Castro sticks at SS, Flores plays 2b, Murphy plays 3b until Wright comes back and then is a bench guy.
strengthens SS, strengthens 2b and strengthens the bench IMO.
Plus make Murphy totally expendable. depending on Wright.
Murphy is a much better player than Castro. Have you checked Castro's numbers this year? And thats in the friendly confines. He would be brutal in NY.
over their careers, which to this point Castro is 25 years old, he and Murphy have been comparable WAR players, but sometimes you need to look past the advanced stats and watch baseball.
Yes, Castro is having a down year. which is why it's a "buy low" situation.
Murphy is not a winning baseball player. He's pretty average to below overall.
Castro isn't either, yet, as mentioned he's still 25 and most importantly, what better player do you think you will get for Niese.
Castro is cost-controlled through 2019.
Obviously if Castro was having an all star year like last year, there's no way you're getting him for a package based mostly on Niese. It's a buy low gamble. I don't love committing to him at SS for the same reason I didn't love the idea of committing to Flores (below average defense at an important position) but if the extra piece was something insignificant like Reynolds or Ynoa, I think I'd pull the trigger. Hard to say no to the idea of adding another Murphy-level bat to this lineup, because that's pretty much exactly what Castro has been over his career.
ZG - I know you and Phi have agreed a lot lately, but please tell me you aren't running as his co-chair on #teamtejada.
When TD'A and Wright get back this is a different line up. I wouldn't trade for Castro. Castro is more of these same.
Castro - .282 BA / .322 OBP . .403 SLG
They are very comparable players, though it should be noted none of us are clamoring to lock Murphy into a long term contract because he is flawed, just as Castro is. That's why this deal would only make sense as a buy low where you're saving half of his potential contract by dealing Niese in the exchange. It's actually a very sensible deal for both sides, but one the Cubs only consider if they strike out on better pitchers.
Obviously if Castro was having an all star year like last year, there's no way you're getting him for a package based mostly on Niese. It's a buy low gamble. I don't love committing to him at SS for the same reason I didn't love the idea of committing to Flores (below average defense at an important position) but if the extra piece was something insignificant like Reynolds or Ynoa, I think I'd pull the trigger. Hard to say no to the idea of adding another Murphy-level bat to this lineup, because that's pretty much exactly what Castro has been over his career.
ZG - I know you and Phi have agreed a lot lately, but please tell me you aren't running as his co-chair on #teamtejada.
lol. I don't know what he said about Tejada. Ive been in and out the last few weeks here. :) I think Tejada is a useful backup middle infielder. Pretty much the perfect backup but he should not be starting. I get the premise regarding Castro I just really don't know. Castro has been so bad and I always thought he was overrated anyway. I think out of Wright, Murphy, Flores, Herrera, Castro, and possibly even Reynolds..... Castro would be the worst of the bunch if everyone were healthy.
We will deal with Wright coming back when Wright comes back. One of our biggest problems is that our bench is putrid. Swinging a deal for Castro could give us much better IF depth.
Make that deal and if Michael Cadaver is still this bad in a few weeks, give Conforto a shot and use Cadaver as a 1B platoon and 4th OFer.
Where he should have been all along, even if it was just to let him go about his business without being under a crazy microscope. He's still made some mistakes over there like cutting in front of Tejada and booting an easy DP ball, but the extra time he has to get outs at 1B is evident and I expect he will easily grow into an average defensive 2B. Only question with him is how high the ceiling is offensively.
We will deal with Wright coming back when Wright comes back. One of our biggest problems is that our bench is putrid. Swinging a deal for Castro could give us much better IF depth.
Make that deal and if Michael Cadaver is still this bad in a few weeks, give Conforto a shot and use Cadaver as a 1B platoon and 4th OFer.
Yeah that's about where I'd net out. For the record I think if this deal happens, it's the type that would be a deadline day deal after both teams strike out with other targets. I think the Mets would prefer Zobrist for 1 and I think the Cubs would prefer a lot of pitchers over Niese.
I really think they are going to stick with it or Harvey, Syndergaard, deGrom are going to run into some major problems.
If we stick with the 6 man for 2 months every starter would save about 2 starts which is what 15 innings ish? I mean it does help but its only really beneficial if they stick with it over a long period of time.
Might require a 3 team swap
Might require a 3 team swap
Agreed.
He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
I'd be good with adding Prado, but obviously the Fish have no use for Niese. Zobrist and Gomez are my top 2 choices at the moment. Only issue is that neither one of them gets Tejada out of the lineup, but maybe there's hope that Reynolds or Cecchini can do that later in the season?
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affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
Is it affecting his hitting though? Has he been asked about that? I'd have to imagine yes.
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affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
Is it affecting his hitting though? Has he been asked about that? I'd have to imagine yes.
I don't know. Lagares peripherals always pointed to his numbers to come crashing down somewhat. I don't think anyone expected him to be THIS bad though. Maybe he's coming out of his funk though. He had a couple key hits today. The guy also covers a ton of ground in CF. I think we need him to finish out the year and get Tommy John as soon as the season is over.
something like:
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affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
Is it affecting his hitting though? Has he been asked about that? I'd have to imagine yes.
probably a bit but the main reason he has struggled is with wright out,he has more pressure to produce offensively
You sonofabitch
That innings excuse is crap. They want to keep Niese active so they can trade him. The second he's gone they're going to a five man rotation. I'f I'm wrong I'll come back on here and say so.
Harvey is pissed about the 6 man rotation, says that it throws off his prep and mechanics. Apparently others feel the same but won't say so publicly. The Mets had better be careful with Harvey. They are pissing him off and he isn't shy about vocalizing it. Add in Boras as agent and good luck keeping him here.
No pitcher wants to be thrown off his routine. They're creatures of habit.
Harvey is pissed about the 6 man rotation, says that it throws off his prep and mechanics. Apparently others feel the same but won't say so publicly. The Mets had better be careful with Harvey. They are pissing him off and he isn't shy about vocalizing it. Add in Boras as agent and good luck keeping him here.
At this point I wish Harvey would just quit griping, deal with it and concentrate on pitching the best he can to help his team.
The guy is starting to remind me of a high maintenance pretty girlfriend. Eventually the personality starts to override the beauty.
+1
that's reality.
I doubt any pitcher would genuinely like it but they are dealing with young pitchers on inning limits, Harvey coming off TJ on limits and a current glut of starting pitchers. Obviously they feel this is the best current path to take considering those factors.
I think he's been very open about it when not on Mets air. Darling has made himself a national voice, so he can get away with sharing his thoughts more. He's openly trashed the move on radio interviews.
If you really believed 6-man was the way to go, you would have prepared your staff for this in ST instead of throwing it against the wall just because you couldn't get a deal done to get rid of the extra arms.
Good for Darling. Gary's a stat freak first and foremost. He's more likely to recite how many hot dogs a stadium cooks per Harvey start than understand what Darling's take is on a six man rotation.
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hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I think he's been very open about it when not on Mets air. Darling has made himself a national voice, so he can get away with sharing his thoughts more. He's openly trashed the move on radio interviews.
If you really believed 6-man was the way to go, you would have prepared your staff for this in ST instead of throwing it against the wall just because you couldn't get a deal done to get rid of the extra arms.
This was the basic gist of his issue. He said it's one thing if organizationally these guys were in 6 man rotations in the minors but that the "extra work" on the side is not the same regardless of how hard they try and replicate it. Gary made it sound like side sessions can make up the difference. Darling 100% disagreed.
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hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I doubt any pitcher would genuinely like it but they are dealing with young pitchers on inning limits, Harvey coming off TJ on limits and a current glut of starting pitchers. Obviously they feel this is the best current path to take considering those factors.
Tons of teams have had young rotations with injury limits yet a 6 man rotation is RIDICULOUSLY rare. The whole path to getting there stinks of a bumbling/desperation move vs. a planned "do it our way" plan.
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hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I think he's been very open about it when not on Mets air. Darling has made himself a national voice, so he can get away with sharing his thoughts more. He's openly trashed the move on radio interviews.
If you really believed 6-man was the way to go, you would have prepared your staff for this in ST instead of throwing it against the wall just because you couldn't get a deal done to get rid of the extra arms.
This was the basic gist of his issue. He said it's one thing if organizationally these guys were in 6 man rotations in the minors but that the "extra work" on the side is not the same regardless of how hard they try and replicate it. Gary made it sound like side sessions can make up the difference. Darling 100% disagreed.
I defer to Darling. Every pitcher in the country learns to pitch every 5 days. If you want to run a 6-man, you have to train your kids to do so. Seems like common sense to me. Practice according to how you expect to perform. Harvey would know how he feels with an extra rest day if he had had to experience it months ago. The adjustment would have been made by now.
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hates the 6 man as well. Gary downplayed it but Darling (in a rare occasion) actually took issue with Gary and said he's not a fan.
I doubt any pitcher would genuinely like it but they are dealing with young pitchers on inning limits, Harvey coming off TJ on limits and a current glut of starting pitchers. Obviously they feel this is the best current path to take considering those factors.
Tons of teams have had young rotations with injury limits yet a 6 man rotation is RIDICULOUSLY rare. The whole path to getting there stinks of a bumbling/desperation move vs. a planned "do it our way" plan.
I don't like the 6 man rotation either. Doesn't mean I think Harvey needs to whine about it though. I can not like the decision and also not like how a players handles that decision at the same time.
The caps seemed to be overplayed by fans. The only guy with a legit "cap" is Harvey coming off of TJ. deGrom threw 178.1 innings last year and could have gone more (per dePo) but had back soreness to end the season. Even if you use the tradional 30/50... that's 208-228 innings before you would shut him down. He's on pace for 205.
Thor threw 133 last year, which means his cap is roughly 170-180,Matz threw 140, so 170-190 cap. Skipping a start here or there made a lot more sense than a 6 man
Well it's pretty clear this wasn't "the plan" so it's hard to suddenly be confident.
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I don't like the 6 man rotation at all. The problem is that there are caps on most of these young guys and it's going to be hard to keep everyone under. Especially if we're still in the mix in September.
The caps seemed to be overplayed by fans. The only guy with a legit "cap" is Harvey coming off of TJ. deGrom threw 178.1 innings last year and could have gone more (per dePo) but had back soreness to end the season. Even if you use the tradional 30/50... that's 208-228 innings before you would shut him down. He's on pace for 205.
Thor threw 133 last year, which means his cap is roughly 170-180,Matz threw 140, so 170-190 cap. Skipping a start here or there made a lot more sense than a 6 man
I'm just going by what they said. A few weeks ago they said most of these guys were on pace to go beyond the amount of innings they wanted them throwing and so they were going to the 6 man.
I'm fine with skipping starts here and there but that could get tricky as well. Montero would have been a good guy to use as a spot starter but that's not an option right now and we can't put Niese or Colon in the pen.
This group. Pitchers aren't accommodated but inconvenienced, surrounded by comical defense and no significant talent is added.
Enjoy the short ride while it lasts.
The caps seemed to be overplayed by fans. The only guy with a legit "cap" is Harvey coming off of TJ. deGrom threw 178.1 innings last year and could have gone more (per dePo) but had back soreness to end the season. Even if you use the tradional 30/50... that's 208-228 innings before you would shut him down. He's on pace for 205.
Thor threw 133 last year, which means his cap is roughly 170-180,Matz threw 140, so 170-190 cap. Skipping a start here or there made a lot more sense than a 6 man
Dan, are you including minor league playoff innings as well, or just regular season innings?
They have built a very soft/vanilla team. Openly targeting laid back "good guys". They also lack talent but this has been an issue for a few years now.
I was originally against it but I think you have to give a chance and then measure the results. Certainly hasn't hurt Matz
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The caps seemed to be overplayed by fans. The only guy with a legit "cap" is Harvey coming off of TJ. deGrom threw 178.1 innings last year and could have gone more (per dePo) but had back soreness to end the season. Even if you use the tradional 30/50... that's 208-228 innings before you would shut him down. He's on pace for 205.
Thor threw 133 last year, which means his cap is roughly 170-180,Matz threw 140, so 170-190 cap. Skipping a start here or there made a lot more sense than a 6 man
Dan, are you including minor league playoff innings as well, or just regular season innings?
Not including minor league playoff innings but if you want to be fair DePo has said they don't include them either (in regard to deGrom last year). DePo said it's a "rough +30" and cited specifically regular season innings. Here he is from 2014 on Thor
"I would say as a rough estimate, thats fine, DePodesta said. A lot of its going to be on how he actually racks up those innings -- how efficient he is in the pitch counts, how much rest hes getting between starts, how much side work we do with him.
So there are a lot of other things that we factor into it. But, as a general marker, thats roughly fair. I mean, we may go over that. We end up feeling we have to come short of that. But Id say its at least a fair estimate."
1- keep an extra starter or two in the bullpen. When one of the young kids clearly aren't sharp that day - pull him early. Put the 6th starter in the 3rd inning or so. Downside is the kids don't learn to pitch without their best stuff when it's missing. Upside is you can save 4 innings a couple times a season.
2 - my personal way to go. DL a guy midsession. Skip his turn in the rotation for 15 days. Saves two stars, 12-14 innings. Even better alternative for non Niese/Colon guys is to send them to AAA. Keep them on their routine of starting every 5th day, but only let them pitch the first inning. Ladder each starter that needs to limit innings through the middle of the season. Kept them all fresh and rejuvenated mid season ready for the stretch run and hopefull playoffs.
IMO if Hodges had set a 6 man rotation when a young Seaver was still shy of his 20th win he wouldn't openly complain to the press about it after a loss where it could be interpreted as making excuses.
Now the older veteran Seaver who by then had many contract issues with the front office by that point probably would have.
1- keep an extra starter or two in the bullpen. When one of the young kids clearly aren't sharp that day - pull him early. Put the 6th starter in the 3rd inning or so. Downside is the kids don't learn to pitch without their best stuff when it's missing. Upside is you can save 4 innings a couple times a season.
2 - my personal way to go. DL a guy midsession. Skip his turn in the rotation for 15 days. Saves two stars, 12-14 innings. Even better alternative for non Niese/Colon guys is to send them to AAA. Keep them on their routine of starting every 5th day, but only let them pitch the first inning. Ladder each starter that needs to limit innings through the middle of the season. Kept them all fresh and rejuvenated mid season ready for the stretch run and hopefull playoffs.
The Mets supposedly were tinkering with a phantom DL situation before the year (specifically with Harvey) but I think the league came down on them or threatened to because it never came up again.
one very important thing to think about playoffs and pitch limits and six man rotation. How many starters are used for the playoffs? What happens to the other two starters? Who stays in the rotation and who goes to the pen?
Second alternative is much easier, send them to the minors. You then have the option of bringing them back after 10 days as opposed to 15. Easier to do twice in the year than one 15 day DL stint.
I wasn't aiming that at you or being snarky but everyone insisted the Mets could get something for one of Gee, Niese and Colon so either people are now admitting they were wrong or the Mets are choosing not to. Why can't Jon Niese work out of the pen as a long man?
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You have guys that are all young pitchers that you do not want to overthrow in their first/second years in the big leagues. There is still the possibility that we make the playoffs, so they have to take those innings into account as well (unless you want a situation like the Nats had with Strasburg a couple of years ago).
They are also still trying to trade Niese and Colon is still a good influence on the young guys, so they are not kicking them out of the rotation. If Niese gives you a couple more good starts before the trade deadline, he will have built up his trade value and should bring back SOMETHING of note.
I don't think Jon Niese would be especially good as a reliever but I also think that MORE deGrom, Harvey and Thor is more valuable than Niese being great as the 5th reliever.
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Yup. Didn't like Turner's influence on the clubhouse.
Great interview with Seaver by Bill Madden yesterday in the NYDN. Seaver would CLEARLY be on Harvey's side. I particularly like Seaver's view on pitch count, that they had one back then, but it was different for each individual, not some arbitrary number like today's 100 pitches.
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Sure, they could put Niese in the pen as a long man but I don't see it working all that well and IIRC, you've said yourself in the past that you didn't think it would either. This was back when we were trying to clear one of Niese/Gee from the rotation. Most seemed to think Gee made more sense as a longman.
I don't think Jon Niese would be especially good as a reliever but I also think that MORE deGrom, Harvey and Thor is more valuable than Niese being great as the 5th reliever.
I'd probably rather just take whatever we could get in a trade. If we move him to the pen, he'll make a big stink about it the same way Gee did. Not that it really matters but I'd rather not have another disgruntled pitcher in the clubhouse.
Well, for what the Mets want their face of the franchise to be, Wright fits the mold perfectly. I like Wright, but if you called Central Casting for an actor to fill the role of photogenic crowd pleaser, they'd send you David Wright.
Jose Reyes was probably more of a face for the team, or he should have been. When he was good, they were good. That was shockingly clear.
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hope the Mets have the balls to shake things up a bit in the off-season. Too many vanilla players and in all honesty it might be time to look at Wright as a side piece vs. the face of the franchise.
Well, for what the Mets want their face of the franchise to be, Wright fits the mold perfectly. I like Wright, but if you called Central Casting for an actor to fill the role of photogenic crowd pleaser, they'd send you David Wright.
Jose Reyes was probably more of a face for the team, or he should have been. When he was good, they were good. That was shockingly clear.
I don't really care who they market, my concern is more building a team "around" Wright. Granderson, Cuddyer... "Wright type" of personalities. Duda is very quiet, Flores is known to be quiet, no idea on Lagares but you get the picture. TDA is more of a badass but how badass can you be when you are ALWAYS hurt?
of Stepford wives and Harvey isnt one
He was more of a Marlon Byrd issue than any other reason.
If you went to the gym and were in a routine to be at your best, what would happen if each week your routine was disrupted? Would you be at your best?
That's what their complaining about.
231 ab's 95 k's!!!
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Series vs Giants 5 for 8, 3 extra base hits, 5 walks
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Thanks for the link Dan, appreciate that.
Stuart being listed there is why I think prospect lists are hysterical. That's not even projection, that's purely based on tools and BEST case scenario.
That might be the first and last paragraph that Winningham and speed are ever mentioned together. Though he is growing up, maturing a bit and in much better shape (not saying much)
And of course Dan, your boy Brosher gets a mention!!! He packs a hell of a wallop lol.
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was sent packing because he had a personality, the only reason, thought for a bench guy he was too outspoken. The Mets want a team
of Stepford wives and Harvey isnt one
He was more of a Marlon Byrd issue than any other reason.
I wondered about that when I saw all the interviews with Turner talking about how he changed his hitting approach to the exact opposite of what Sandy and crew believed in thanks to Byrd. I'm starting to think there's genuinely a deficiency in fundamental "baseball guys" in the front office. Shecky?
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was sent packing because he had a personality, the only reason, thought for a bench guy he was too outspoken. The Mets want a team
of Stepford wives and Harvey isnt one
He was more of a Marlon Byrd issue than any other reason.
I wondered about that when I saw all the interviews with Turner talking about how he changed his hitting approach to the exact opposite of what Sandy and crew believed in thanks to Byrd. I'm starting to think there's genuinely a deficiency in fundamental "baseball guys" in the front office. Shecky?
I also find it surprising that all these veteran hitters all of a sudden forget how to hit once they sign with the Mets.
Is it a coaching/organization problem? Everyone but Murphy is hitting below .250!
Great interview with Seaver by Bill Madden yesterday in the NYDN. Seaver would CLEARLY be on Harvey's side. I particularly like Seaver's view on pitch count, that they had one back then, but it was different for each individual, not some arbitrary number like today's 100 pitches. Seaver-Madden interview - ( New Window )
I'm certain he would and anyone who knows my views knows I am no fan of pitch counts and have often quoted both Seaver and Ryan with regards to their views on the subject.
But that still doesn't have anything to do with whether you believe Seaver would have whined as much about things as Harvey has at this point (19 wins) in their respective carriers. I certainly don't remember Seaver doing so as a young pitcher especially after he just put up a very bad outing where it might be looked at as excuse making. Seaver as much as anyone went about taking care of business and not making excuses. Sure his relationship with the front office became strained and he at times voiced his views later in his career, but that is much different than griping about "game related circumstances" after a poor performance at the beginning of his career.
I agree with this. Thank god they didn't trade Murphy with the Wright situation, but I think if he had never been shuffled ultimately he would have been more comfortable and his overall development would be further along, which may mean his hitting as well.
Before anybody falls in love with him at 2nd, which is clearly better than SS (hypocrites jumping the bandwagon again BTW), don't be shocked if he doesn't become the 3rd baseman as an inexpensive Hererra at 2nd is less costly than trading him or others for a 3rd baseman and keeping Flores at 2nd.
A maturing Herrera at 2nd and Flores at 3rd might actually be better in 2016+ if FreDUH spends the savings elsewhere (assuming Wright is finished).
That said, maybe not to this extent. We will see how long he keeps it going. If he sticks at 2B for a while and keeps hitting, then maybe it was a comfort thing after all.
I would agree, it could very well be that being at SS affected him negatively at the plate. It's been know to happen.
Typical of the Mets though. They finally find an IF with a legit bat and hey play him out of position until he is nearly a zombie at the plate.
Remember when Reyes was ready to become the full time SS and they signed that Japanese SS (who S-U-C-K-E-D SUCKED!) and wasted Reyes' rookie year learning 2B?
The point is, with that kind of talent beating down the door at any moment I still can't get on board with Flores at 2nd. I still see Flores being shifted back to SS later this year when Wright and Murphy are on the field anyway and at best I see him as a placeholder there in 2016 until Cechinni arrives. I also think he might be nice insurance against Wright in 2016 at third.
Circumstances have obviously changed here.
I thought you liked him as the ss?
But I agree he look much more relaxed at the plate. He is finally hitting like all of us hoped he would. I don't remember him having a three hit game the entre season while playing ss but now he has a few in a row already. It seems like more than just a coincidence.
Circumstances have obviously changed here.
Right so what happens if everybody comes back? I personally would have left him at SS unless you were moving him off for good. Wright's doctors are still guaranteeing he'll play this year and he might even start some mild baseball activity soon. It is also clear to me that Herrera was the organizations FIRST option before they opted to go to Tejada for a while.
Herrera has "15-20" homerun pop, probably plays a better defensive 2nd AND hits for a higher average. He also has some speed. I think this kid is a future all-star.
Who knows how it plays out with DW's back in the coming years. We night see Hererra at 2nd and Flores at 3rd at some point in the future. Flores has the power for it and he should only get stronger with time.
3B is Murphy's best position, he's a FA after the season, and who knows when/if Wright comes back. And if he does who knows how he will play. Murphy (or Flores) as a utility guy isn't the worst option in the world.
SS is the black hole, as it's been for all of Ruben Tejada's 4 year reign as the most indestructible turd on the roster. Slim pickings around the majors for an upgrade. Tulo is too big of a risk. Rollins is intriguing to me just because he only has 1 year left. Lowrie is interesting but he has 2 years left after this one. Castro may be a good buy low.
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And again. No one here ever argued that Flores' best position was SS. The argument in favor of playing him there was founded on the belief that he could put up Peralta-like offensive numbers there and max his value. No one assumed Wright was going to miss this much time and we already had Murphy/Herrera at 2B. Since we all wanted Flo's bat in a lineup that needed it, it was the move that made the most sense.
Circumstances have obviously changed here.
Right so what happens if everybody comes back? I personally would have left him at SS unless you were moving him off for good. Wright's doctors are still guaranteeing he'll play this year and he might even start some mild baseball activity soon. It is also clear to me that Herrera was the organizations FIRST option before they opted to go to Tejada for a while.
It's a good question. If Wright comes back, he has to go back to 3B obviously. There's no other option. Next decision is whether to keep Wilmer at 2B or put Murphy there. If it's Murph, then you have to decide if you want to try Flo at SS again or leave Tejada there.
It's a problem because no matter what, if Flores isn't the SS, it has to be Tejada. Which is exactly the scenario we've all been hoping to avoid.
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And again. No one here ever argued that Flores' best position was SS. The argument in favor of playing him there was founded on the belief that he could put up Peralta-like offensive numbers there and max his value. No one assumed Wright was going to miss this much time and we already had Murphy/Herrera at 2B. Since we all wanted Flo's bat in a lineup that needed it, it was the move that made the most sense.
Circumstances have obviously changed here.
Right so what happens if everybody comes back? I personally would have left him at SS unless you were moving him off for good. Wright's doctors are still guaranteeing he'll play this year and he might even start some mild baseball activity soon. It is also clear to me that Herrera was the organizations FIRST option before they opted to go to Tejada for a while.
It's a good question. If Wright comes back, he has to go back to 3B obviously. There's no other option. Next decision is whether to keep Wilmer at 2B or put Murphy there. If it's Murph, then you have to decide if you want to try Flo at SS again or leave Tejada there.
It's a problem because no matter what, if Flores isn't the SS, it has to be Tejada. Which is exactly the scenario we've all been hoping to avoid.
Well if you are talking about THIS year and Wright comes back than Murphy would shift to second and we are back to Flores at SS again. Thats what we are saying.
Yeah me too. And I honestly think Flores's future is pretty muddy here. Cechinni, Nimmo, and Conforto will all be pushing their way on the team next season. I think Herrera is absolutely ready by next year. Wright will still be in the mix in some capacity. Maybe we offer Murphy a QO if the Wright situation is really murky and dare him to take it. I think our best bet is for Flores to raise his value as much as possible this year. Showcase him at three positions and hope somebody bites in the offseason sadly. And I love Flores. Think he's a great kid.
Conforto in LF. Nimmo/Lagares in CF. Upton/Cespedes in RF. ;)
Get Gomez, play him at all 3 OF spots, and then hopefully resign him as Cuddyer's contract is ending. Maybe Granderson will even be tradeable at that point since he'll only have 1 year left. You'd also have a lot more clarity on David Wright's situation 18 months from now when his current contract ends.
1st - Duda
2nd - Herrera
SS - Tejada (possibly a different name)
3rd - Flores
RF - Grandy
LF - Cuddy
CF- Parra (with Lags out)
Maybe a new bench player.
Get Gomez, play him at all 3 OF spots, and then hopefully resign him as Cuddyer's contract is ending. Maybe Granderson will even be tradeable at that point since he'll only have 1 year left. You'd also have a lot more clarity on David Wright's situation 18 months from now when his current contract ends.
Im not sure about Gomez. He's hitting his 30s and is having a pretty bad year. If he were brought in, I think you have to play him in CF to capitalize on his value. His bat wouldn't play up in a corner. With Niese, Gee, Colon, Murphy likely all coming off the books the Mets could absolutely make a play for Upton/Cespedes. Upton might get 200 million but Cespedes might only get half that. Either way the Mets should have the wiggle room to make a play if they really want. Conforto could impact that however. If he finishes Vegas this year raking and is pronounced "ready" and Granderson is coming off a "Upton like" season a 2016 outfield of Conforto-Lagares/Nimmo-Granderson doesn't look all that bad. We'll see what happens.
As for right now. I still like going after somebody like Parra to share time with Lagares or maybe somebody like Brock Holt. Seems like a much safer play. Gomez scares me.
This thing with Wright likely only gets worst over the coming years and possibly some of that money is coming back from insurance. We don't need to sign a single starter until 2019 in Harvey and Im almost thinking its a forgone conclusion he's walking anyway. The other guys aren't hitting FA until like 2022. We have a long time before we have to worry about it really.
With young guys like Herrera, Cechinni, Conforto, and Nimmo we actually should be able to keep the payroll down for the next few years. I also think if we are in it down the stretch this year fans are going to be coming out to Citified. We are already shattering attendance numbers this year compared to the last few seasons. I think the team's payroll will continue to go up as the coffers get replenished.
Gomez has been worth 2x the WAR of either of those guys over the past 2 years and he's signed reasonably for next year. If I knew the budget was going to be tight next offseason with Wright in limbo I'd be going very hard for him right now.
I think the Upton sweepstakes might get a little crazy but I wouldn't be surprised if we made a play. Sandy has had a hard on for him in the past. Cespedes should get much less but we are still talking 100 million obviously. I actually think Gomez will get close to that too and I think somebody will paying Gomez on the downside of his career. With Lagares/Nimmo Id rather go after Cespedes. And like I said who knows? Granderson is having a very good year. If he keeps it up all year and Conforto is ready we might not even need to make a move.
Probably because our bumbling manager flat out said he likely needs it. But your right they could go the rest and rehab route. I think he should get it done personally. He isn't that essential to our team that being out for a couple months in 2016 kills us either way.
Ohhhh mannnn, you had to rile me up again on this shit??
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still pisses me off. If the asshole and his agent just accepted his demotion to AAA(He cleared waivers) he's likely killing it in Vegas and is a real option right now with Cuddyer slumping so bad. Instead he's been banished to Siberia and we likely never see him again.
Ohhhh mannnn, you had to rile me up again on this shit??
LOL. Sorry Shecky. Im sure the Mets prefer out of sight out of mind, but I haven't forgot! :)
Is that guy still on the DL doing nothing? What a bum.
He might just be yet another AAAA bat though.
He screwed over the organization and the betterment of the team over a few lousy bucks so he could get placed on the ML DL, not the AAA DL. I think the Mets said, you want to be injured at the major league level? Fine. Fuck you then. We could use your 40 man spot anyway.
Angels are looking for a lefty OF, I'd offer them Andy for Aybar. Fixes our SS situation for this year and next, cuts payroll by $8mm next year and frees up $16mm year after.
Then I call the Twins and pick up Oswaldo Arcio for cheap. Platoon him with Cuddyer in LF.
Then pick up Josh Reddick for RF.
All doable. Nothing too expensive to acquire. Nothing expensive dollar wise. Nothing long term for future flexibility. I'd complete each trade and announce them the second tonight's game is over.
I'm done playing GM for the day, and I'll invoice Alderson for the advice if he's reading this...
Angels are looking for a lefty OF, I'd offer them Andy for Aybar. Fixes our SS situation for this year and next, cuts payroll by $8mm next year and frees up $16mm year after.
Then I call the Twins and pick up Oswaldo Arcio for cheap. Platoon him with Cuddyer in LF.
Then pick up Josh Reddick for RF.
All doable. Nothing too expensive to acquire. Nothing expensive dollar wise. Nothing long term for future flexibility. I'd complete each trade and announce them the second tonight's game is over.
I'm done playing GM for the day, and I'll invoice Alderson for the advice if he's reading this...
I like it. Granderson for Aybar might be hard to pull off though. I'd love to go after Reddick this year.
Grandy. I thought the same thing lol
Kirk Nieuwenhuis getting promoted to #Mets
Kirk Nieuwenhuis getting promoted to #Mets
What's the corresponding move? Also have make room for Mejia after tonight. Ceciliani gone?
Kirk Nieuwenhuis getting promoted to #Mets
LOL. Just fucking laughable at this point. The guy sucks. Go get a MLB-level 4th OFer please. This is insulting.
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Kirk Nieuwenhuis getting promoted to #Mets
What's the corresponding move? Also have make room for Mejia after tonight. Ceciliani gone?
Cuddy DL??
Round of applause.
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LOL. Just fucking laughable at this point. The guy sucks. Go get a MLB-level 4th OFer please. This is insulting.
Well somebody has to replicate Moises Cuddyer's ground-into-double-plays.
No disrespect, I just don't get where this comes from. Kirk was very good last year. I get he sucked early this season though.
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Kirk is exactly what people mean when they call guys "AAAA" players. He's going to hit every time he goes to LV but he can't hit here. How many times now has the guy been "hot" in AAA only to come up here and shit the bed? I feel like we have seen this movie 5 times already. At least.
No disrespect, I just don't get where this comes from. Kirk was very good last year. I get he sucked early this season though.
He's a career .226, .666 OPS player who is hitting .100 this year in 37 MLB games. .100
He's not good. It's time to move on.
Bottom line is this... everyone blames the owners... and they SUCK but the GM hasn't done his job. People can attack me and defend him all you want but 100% of the Sandy defense is how patient he is... patience only gets you so far... how about the waiver wire? How about minor moves? Relying on crap to suddenly not be crap is silly
I like yours just think it might be tricky to pull off. Give me Parra and Prado and I think I'm good. Reddick would be sweet too though.
He's like 2/22 this week
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How about the GM tries to get a Major League caliber 4th OFer on this roster so that we don't need to keep doing this? It shouldn't be that hard. If you can't do that, then just call up Conforto. Watching these putrid minor league lifers continue to get AB's on a daily basis is legitimately insulting. Enough. It's tiresome.
Bottom line is this... everyone blames the owners... and they SUCK but the GM hasn't done his job. People can attack me and defend him all you want but 100% of the Sandy defense is how patient he is... patience only gets you so far... how about the waiver wire? How about minor moves? Relying on crap to suddenly not be crap is silly
I agree. There are still ways to improve the roster on a restricted budget. No one is saying the guy has to make a blockbuster trade but the best GM's are the ones who find ways to be creative and add pieces. Alderson seems content just waiting for prospects to develop and not being proactive. The guy is ridiculously passive.
Again.. no one says he's got to go out and panic and trade Thor for Tulo. But you can't even add a 4th OFer or improve the bench? Gimmie a fucking break.
It's been 3+ years of being one of the LEAST active on the waiver wire (when you are bad you get better claims) and the fewest trades. Why not churn through guys and maybe find a gem? Beane ROUTINELY does this.
So what if we weren't competing? Even more reason to be extra active and bring in guys and see if we could find a diamond in the rough or even a gemstone. What did we have to lose?
I just can't justify the fact that this guy is so ridiculously passive. There are smaller scale moves out there to be made but it seems like he's content telling the fanbase "we are prepared to make ONE move so we're going to sit here and calculate that move for the next month before we make it so that we can hope to make the right one!"
It's a shitty strategy. I'm not asking for much here. I am just sick to freaking death of guys like Kirk and Ceciliani. Before that it was the Mike Baxters. Come on man. Give me some major league players here. This is New York.
Which I find to be disappointing at best. No pressure at all. It's not as if he's won a recent WS or is some Met great. At what point IS there pressure to win? Year 7? Year 8? Never?
Cuddyer is here, you have Mayberry off the bench and now Nieuwenhuis. Campbell provides something, Tejada is really coming around they're sporting a six man rotation.
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Either way, the general manager is choosing patience over panic for the time being. Unfortunately, patience doesn't sell papers.
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I don't even hate the guy but he keeps telling us what he's doing to do but still hasn't actually done it. Maybe we have to wait until the break when teams talk more but at some point it's put up or shut up.
This doesn't need to be a 10 year rebuild here.
As to the waiver deals, it's easy to get pissed off in a vacuum but you need to look at each player as a case to case. We have a lot of young talent that may or may not have offered just as much upside. Look at last year... Kirk was having a nice year as a 4th or 5th outfielder. Was somebody else's garbage better necessarily? Flores was coming off the bench last year mostly. Does a waiver claim offer more upside than Flores?? I have a hard time believing Sandy doesn't weigh every waiver against what's currently on the roster and judge accordingly. He's made some shrewd moves. Gilmartin has been awesome as an example.
Never mind the 3 for 38 prior to demotion b/c he's back and patience will prevail. Gotta Believe!!!!!!
Welcome back Kirk
Darrell Ceciliani demoted. #mets
Darrell Ceciliani demoted. #mets
Thanks! And I like it!
He's likely the SS for 2016 too.
What 3 SS's got injured? I'll hang up and listen.
And Justin turner is an excellent backup IF. Ruben Tejada is a replacement level player on his best day and a turd without any plus skills on every other day.
Agree, and beyond that it took every other option they paraded out there failing miserably before he was given a yet another shot at starting.
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Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
What 3 SS's got injured? I'll hang up and listen.
And Justin turner is an excellent backup IF. Ruben Tejada is a replacement level player on his best day and a turd without any plus skills on every other day.
Lol. I pretty clearly said Tejada was penciled in as a BACKUP middle infielder. Flores was healthy all year so we really didn't need a SS. It took injuries to Wright, Murphy, AND begrudgingly Herrera for them to even consider Tejada.
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Backup middle infielder and there is zero argument anybody can make that's says that wasn't 100 percent is intended role. It took 3 major injuries to get him back in the starting lineup.
Agree, and beyond that it took every other option they paraded out there failing miserably before he was given a yet another shot at starting.
Exactly Steve. Pretty clear he was everyone's absolute last resort. Luckily Tejada has done a half way decent job so we should really be happy we had him. Also when Wright comes back, Tejada will be out of a job once again.
Kirk is 2 his last 22. He's not red hot. He's horrible.
Familia is nominated for the last spot. You can still vote him in.