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CMicks3110 : 7/5/2015 6:05 pm
Matz has been masterful 6 IP 2 H 8 Ks
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I'm  
Eli owns all : 7/5/2015 6:08 pm : link
really trying to figure out who I like the most Harvey-DeGrom-Matz-Thor it's honestly a very tough question but I love these young arms.
it changes for me - right now  
CMicks3110 : 7/5/2015 6:10 pm : link
its deGrom
i wish harvey  
CMicks3110 : 7/5/2015 6:10 pm : link
could get back to his dominant self. His velocity is there, not sure why he doesn't get as many swings and misses as he had in 2013.
His command is off  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 6:12 pm : link
That's even more important than velocity in the grand scheme and it's just something that happens to everyone coming back from TJS.
Is Matz eligible for rookie of the year  
Ira : 7/5/2015 6:53 pm : link
?
How long since we won a road series?  
Torrag : 7/5/2015 6:54 pm : link
feels like forever. Let's hope beating a good team in their house builds some confidence.

Is the contract pressure in Duda's head? He looks lost.

Harvey talking about rhythm etc is aimed at the six man rotation. Can we trade Niese already. If deGrom and Harvey don't like it get rid of it. Period.
RE: How long since we won a road series?  
CGiants07 : 7/5/2015 7:04 pm : link
In comment 12356921 Torrag said:
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feels like forever. Let's hope beating a good team in their house builds some confidence.

Is the contract pressure in Duda's head? He looks lost.

Harvey talking about rhythm etc is aimed at the six man rotation. Can we trade Niese already. If deGrom and Harvey don't like it get rid of it. Period.


its not about them liking it its about saving innings or else there going to have to be shutdown before end of season
Matz'  
CMicks3110 : 7/5/2015 7:06 pm : link
curveball and changeup I think are both plus pitches, CB has a chance to be plus-plus. I heard he had just developed it in the last 2 years or so, but boy is it a beaut.It's not quite kershaw good, but his fastball is better than kershaw's right now. Love this pitching staff. Bullpen, especially with Mejia coming back, and Blevins behind him, has a chance to be a real strength too. Verrett should replace C.Torres when Mejia returns.
8 runs  
chris r : 7/5/2015 7:11 pm : link
is amazing.

Its so good to have Murphy back. He's not great but he's such a professional hitter.
I agree  
Headhunter : 7/5/2015 7:21 pm : link
both Torreses go for Mejia and Blevins when the time comes
Duda will not get any strikes thrown to him bc of the putrid  
PhiPsi125 : 7/5/2015 7:23 pm : link
lineup around him. The that's part of the problem. The other problem is the that he cannot lay off the garbage pitches. Until he learns that to lay off those pitches, he will never see a strike. He was doing it in the beginning of the year and for some reason it stopped.
RE: I agree  
CGiants07 : 7/5/2015 7:26 pm : link
In comment 12356979 Headhunter said:
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both Torreses go for Mejia and Blevins when the time comes


I would be surprised if they dfa carlos torres for mejia
don't like the sound o this even if it was  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2015 7:26 pm : link
ok today.

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Marc Carig ‏@MarcCarig 8m8 minutes ago Los Angeles, CA

TC says Matz felt some stiffness near his left arm pit after his first start. But he seemed fine today.
I think they send Robles down when Mejia comes back  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 7:58 pm : link
He's pitched really well lately, but he could still use some more polish and there's no reason to potentially lose someone. Regardless of performance, I think Carlos Torres would likely get DFA'd before Alex Torres just due to trade/contract/age but I doubt it comes to that this season. There's also a good chance 1 of the 6 starters will get traded by the time Blevins is back.
Please lord let our  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:02 pm : link
Golden arms stay healthy for even a few years.
When is Meija coming back?  
speedywheels : 7/5/2015 8:04 pm : link
?
I don't like either  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:04 pm : link
Torres but Carlos has been light years better than Alex this year.
RE: When is Meija coming back?  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:04 pm : link
In comment 12357047 speedywheels said:
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Couple days.
Robles has been absolutely dominant his last few outings.  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:06 pm : link
Sending him down would be damn near criminal IMO.
I 100 percent agree  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:07 pm : link
It's going to be Robles or Verrett though..
both deserve it I think  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2015 8:10 pm : link
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Mike PumaVerified account
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Club source says NL manager Bruce Bochy is "trying real hard," to get both deGrom and Familia on the All-Star roster. One will go for sure.
hypothetical trade - Niese + a non-major prospect for SCastro? y or n?  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 8:18 pm : link
Below is an article about the Cubs trade deadline approach and it sounds like they may just be looking to move on from him. He's not all that flashy, but he puts the ball in play and is obviously a huge upgrade from Tejada. Might be a nice buy low option, obviously depending on whatever the + is with Niese.
Cubs should be active at deadline with chance at postseason - ( New Window )
I would do that trade  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2015 8:28 pm : link
Niese and a non-major prospect like Muno (? or is that too bad)?

Castro sticks at SS, Flores plays 2b, Murphy plays 3b until Wright comes back and then is a bench guy.

strengthens SS, strengthens 2b and strengthens the bench IMO.

Plus make Murphy totally expendable. depending on Wright.
RE: hypothetical trade - Niese + a non-major prospect for SCastro? y or n?  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:30 pm : link
In comment 12357076 Eric on Li said:
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Below is an article about the Cubs trade deadline approach and it sounds like they may just be looking to move on from him. He's not all that flashy, but he puts the ball in play and is obviously a huge upgrade from Tejada. Might be a nice buy low option, obviously depending on whatever the + is with Niese. Cubs should be active at deadline with chance at postseason - ( New Window )


I honestly don't know. Castro has been THAT bad. He's having a putrid year and isn't half the player Flores is. Im not even sure if he's better than Tejada right now. Murphy is locked into a spot and Wright might still be coming back. Herrera could catch fire in Vegas and be in the mix again at some point. Reynolds is hitting homeruns again and might be heating up. Also it seems like they want to stick with this 6 man rotation for a while to conserve innings. Who replaces Niese? Gee? Yuck.
Murphy  
blue42 : 7/5/2015 8:31 pm : link
is the only better than good hitter on the roster....you better be getting a better bat back in return.
RE: I would do that trade  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:32 pm : link
In comment 12357086 pjcas18 said:
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Niese and a non-major prospect like Muno (? or is that too bad)?

Castro sticks at SS, Flores plays 2b, Murphy plays 3b until Wright comes back and then is a bench guy.

strengthens SS, strengthens 2b and strengthens the bench IMO.

Plus make Murphy totally expendable. depending on Wright.


Murphy is a much better player than Castro. Have you checked Castro's numbers this year? And thats in the friendly confines. He would be brutal in NY.
Murphy  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2015 8:38 pm : link
is a FA after the season.

over their careers, which to this point Castro is 25 years old, he and Murphy have been comparable WAR players, but sometimes you need to look past the advanced stats and watch baseball.

Yes, Castro is having a down year. which is why it's a "buy low" situation.

Murphy is not a winning baseball player. He's pretty average to below overall.

Castro isn't either, yet, as mentioned he's still 25 and most importantly, what better player do you think you will get for Niese.

Castro is cost-controlled through 2019.
If they can get a trade they like the 6 man will be gone in a flash  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 8:41 pm : link
It's just a useful short term deployment of assets. Not saying Castro is that trade, just that I think Niese and Colon would be gone if someone really wanted them.

Obviously if Castro was having an all star year like last year, there's no way you're getting him for a package based mostly on Niese. It's a buy low gamble. I don't love committing to him at SS for the same reason I didn't love the idea of committing to Flores (below average defense at an important position) but if the extra piece was something insignificant like Reynolds or Ynoa, I think I'd pull the trigger. Hard to say no to the idea of adding another Murphy-level bat to this lineup, because that's pretty much exactly what Castro has been over his career.

ZG - I know you and Phi have agreed a lot lately, but please tell me you aren't running as his co-chair on #teamtejada.
RE: hypothetical trade - Niese + a non-major prospect for SCastro? y or n?  
larryflower37 : 7/5/2015 8:42 pm : link
In comment 12357076 Eric on Li said:
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Below is an article about the Cubs trade deadline approach and it sounds like they may just be looking to move on from him. He's not all that flashy, but he puts the ball in play and is obviously a huge upgrade from Tejada. Might be a nice buy low option, obviously depending on whatever the + is with Niese. Cubs should be active at deadline with chance at postseason - ( New Window )

When TD'A and Wright get back this is a different line up. I wouldn't trade for Castro. Castro is more of these same.
Well considering we still have an outside  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:43 pm : link
shot of being in the wild card mix this year Im still focused on 2015 and Murphy has a much bigger chance of impacting this season than Castro would. I know if we make the playoffs I sure as hell want Murphy in the lineup over Castro. Watch baseball? Have you watched Castro? He's sub par defensively and has been simply dreadful this year. Id rather trade Niese for a good prospect. I actually think trading Niese for Castro HURTS our ball club, at least for 2015.
castro  
sshin05 : 7/5/2015 8:44 pm : link
is really a babip driven player. All his good years are when he has a high babip number. I'm too lazy to look up other metrics on why, but i would stay away unless i know i can fix it.
Good post PJ - career numbers for reference  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 8:45 pm : link
Murphy - .289 BA / .332 OBP / .418 SLG
Castro - .282 BA / .322 OBP . .403 SLG

They are very comparable players, though it should be noted none of us are clamoring to lock Murphy into a long term contract because he is flawed, just as Castro is. That's why this deal would only make sense as a buy low where you're saving half of his potential contract by dealing Niese in the exchange. It's actually a very sensible deal for both sides, but one the Cubs only consider if they strike out on better pitchers.
RE: If they can get a trade they like the 6 man will be gone in a flash  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:47 pm : link
In comment 12357106 Eric on Li said:
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It's just a useful short term deployment of assets. Not saying Castro is that trade, just that I think Niese and Colon would be gone if someone really wanted them.

Obviously if Castro was having an all star year like last year, there's no way you're getting him for a package based mostly on Niese. It's a buy low gamble. I don't love committing to him at SS for the same reason I didn't love the idea of committing to Flores (below average defense at an important position) but if the extra piece was something insignificant like Reynolds or Ynoa, I think I'd pull the trigger. Hard to say no to the idea of adding another Murphy-level bat to this lineup, because that's pretty much exactly what Castro has been over his career.

ZG - I know you and Phi have agreed a lot lately, but please tell me you aren't running as his co-chair on #teamtejada.


lol. I don't know what he said about Tejada. Ive been in and out the last few weeks here. :) I think Tejada is a useful backup middle infielder. Pretty much the perfect backup but he should not be starting. I get the premise regarding Castro I just really don't know. Castro has been so bad and I always thought he was overrated anyway. I think out of Wright, Murphy, Flores, Herrera, Castro, and possibly even Reynolds..... Castro would be the worst of the bunch if everyone were healthy.
And that post wasn't meant to say Castro should play over Murphy  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 8:49 pm : link
I think there's an extremely insignificant chance David Wright comes back this year, and if he does and plays well enough to put Murphy or Flores into more of a utility man role, that's a good thing not a bad thing. Either way it's not something they can count on happening.
flores  
sshin05 : 7/5/2015 8:51 pm : link
hitting better now that he's at 2nd....hmm....
If Niese and a spare part got me Castro, I'd probably do it.  
arcarsenal : 7/5/2015 8:52 pm : link
Castro is still only 25. He a pretty significant upgrade over Tejada and has a much higher ceiling.

We will deal with Wright coming back when Wright comes back. One of our biggest problems is that our bench is putrid. Swinging a deal for Castro could give us much better IF depth.

Make that deal and if Michael Cadaver is still this bad in a few weeks, give Conforto a shot and use Cadaver as a 1B platoon and 4th OFer.
RE: flores  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12357123 sshin05 said:
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hitting better now that he's at 2nd....hmm....


Where he should have been all along, even if it was just to let him go about his business without being under a crazy microscope. He's still made some mistakes over there like cutting in front of Tejada and booting an easy DP ball, but the extra time he has to get outs at 1B is evident and I expect he will easily grow into an average defensive 2B. Only question with him is how high the ceiling is offensively.
RE: If Niese and a spare part got me Castro, I'd probably do it.  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 8:56 pm : link
In comment 12357127 arcarsenal said:
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Castro is still only 25. He a pretty significant upgrade over Tejada and has a much higher ceiling.

We will deal with Wright coming back when Wright comes back. One of our biggest problems is that our bench is putrid. Swinging a deal for Castro could give us much better IF depth.

Make that deal and if Michael Cadaver is still this bad in a few weeks, give Conforto a shot and use Cadaver as a 1B platoon and 4th OFer.


Yeah that's about where I'd net out. For the record I think if this deal happens, it's the type that would be a deadline day deal after both teams strike out with other targets. I think the Mets would prefer Zobrist for 1 and I think the Cubs would prefer a lot of pitchers over Niese.
Regarding the 6 man  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 8:58 pm : link
Sandy seemed to be pretty convicted this time around and as he said it needs to last for at least two months for any starters to trim a game or two off their year. I tried to make this point earlier in the season. Going to a 6 man for a few weeks essentially saves a starter nada.

I really think they are going to stick with it or Harvey, Syndergaard, deGrom are going to run into some major problems.
There's merit to going with it and there's merit to the 5 man  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 9:03 pm : link
but the 6 man undoubtedly strengthens their negotiating position in trades - which is the primary reason their language has been so strongly in favor of it recently. As you said it doesn't even shave that many innings off so even if they stick with it they'd still likely need to skip guys every now and then in August/September to preserve innings. The 6 man keeps everyone in the rotation for now and maximizes trade value.
Yeah I guess  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 9:07 pm : link
I agree it strengthens there position in trades. I still wonder if they are fine just finishing the year with this 6 also though? If Montero were healthy he might be able to slide in but he hasn't been and I don't want to see Gee again.

If we stick with the 6 man for 2 months every starter would save about 2 starts which is what 15 innings ish? I mean it does help but its only really beneficial if they stick with it over a long period of time.
I'd rather  
spike : 7/5/2015 9:11 pm : link
send Niese for Prado or someone simlar.

Might require a 3 team swap
RE: I'd rather  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 9:11 pm : link
In comment 12357156 spike said:
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send Niese for Prado or someone simlar.

Might require a 3 team swap


Agreed.
Has there been any talk on how Lagares' shoulder injury might be  
chris r : 7/5/2015 9:12 pm : link
affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.
RE: Has there been any talk on how Lagares' shoulder injury might be  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12357159 chris r said:
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affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.


He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.
Gee is never coming back up  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2015 9:15 pm : link
They will stretch out Verrett again before they bring him up.

I'd be good with adding Prado, but obviously the Fish have no use for Niese. Zobrist and Gomez are my top 2 choices at the moment. Only issue is that neither one of them gets Tejada out of the lineup, but maybe there's hope that Reynolds or Cecchini can do that later in the season?
looking at the free agent list for next year...  
JayBinQueens : 7/5/2015 9:15 pm : link
I'd throw some money at Hayward. There isn't a lot to be had and unless you want to bring in Chris Davis in and put Duda back in the OF, it's the best option to improve the lineup
I still think Herrera or Reynolds  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2015 9:16 pm : link
could push Flores back to SS. Wright could too if he comes back and Murphy goes back to 2nd. I know you don't agree with that though.
Suck it Harvey  
feelflows : 7/5/2015 9:16 pm : link
Adam Rubin :Breaking: Steven Matz tells the Post he is an #Isles fan.
RE: RE: Has there been any talk on how Lagares' shoulder injury might be  
chris r : 7/5/2015 9:18 pm : link
In comment 12357160 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 12357159 chris r said:


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affecting his hitting? I'd like to think its that and not him just regressing, because even if he was playing gold glove defense, his bat is still a liability right now.



He has a torn ligament in his elbow not shoulder. He essentially needs Tommy John but can play through it for a while. His arm is a noodle until it gets fixed though.


Is it affecting his hitting though? Has he been asked about that? I'd have to imagine yes.
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