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DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 8:03 am
Italian PG who played at USC (Not much of a 3 point shooter so unsure of the fit... 25% this season at Milano)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Daniel-Hackett-1384/


Begley
This isnt to say that Jacksons offseason has been a failure so far. By and large, he landed quality players (Robin Lopez, Arron Afflalo, Kyle OQuinn) on reasonable contracts who should help the team take a step forward from the 17-win disaster during the 2014-15 season.

But if anything can be gleaned after the first few days of free agency, its this: The lure of playing in New York -- or in any other big market -- is no longer enough to attract elite talent, so Jackson now needs to build a team that can.

Thats the one way he can hope to sell free agents in the summer of 2016 or 2017.

Other factors that used to give big markets like New York an advantage in free agency no longer exist.



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RE: non knick fan though on what the knicks have done  
Lopes1984 : 7/6/2015 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12357485 hitdog42 said:
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4) all things considered I think the knicks and Phil did a good job with what was attainable... its clear a big splash was not. Next year FA crop is not great- but they again will have flexibility and likely more assets.


Not singling you out because others have said it as well, but I keep seeing next year's FA class being referred to as weak and I disagree.

Yeah it's not on the same level as 2010, but it is much better than the class this year. Next year's class includes a top 5 overall player in the league (Kevin Durant), a top 5 PG (Mike Conley), a top 10 SG (DeMar DeRozan), 2 of the top 5 centers in the league(Al Horford and Dwight Howard) and 2 other top 10 centers (Joakim Noah, Al Jefferson). That's just looking at the "tier 1" guys, there are plenty of other quality guys available.

RE: Have they put together their Summer League roster?  
Anakim : 7/6/2015 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12357841 SuperRonJohnson said:
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I had not seen anything yet.


Porzingis (maybe), Grant, Early, Thanasis, Ledo, Langston Galloway, Labeyrie, Travis Wear, Maurice Ndour, Alex Kirk, Ovidijus Galdikas
of those FAs  
hitdog42 : 7/6/2015 12:20 pm : link
-Durant = pipe dream
Conley- only very good PG-- knicks should focus on him
Derozan- wants huge money- not worth it
D12 and Noah- fragile and play same possie as lopez
al Jeff and Horford (clog Porgs PT)

again its not like there are a ton of easy targets for areas of needed improvement--- PG and wing.
Knicks  
Phil in LA : 7/6/2015 12:23 pm : link
will need a dynamic 2 guard eventually in this rebuild.
Would like to see  
giantsfan44ab : 7/6/2015 12:25 pm : link
Gallo and Wilson and Wilson Chandler back on the squad.
I still  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:27 pm : link
Think if Howard hits FA that Phil will pursue him, Lopez or not.
Omri Cassipi signed for 2 years $6M  
giantsfan44ab : 7/6/2015 12:28 pm : link
Would've been a nice backup with the MLE.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:30 pm : link
Intriguing/Phil Jackson kind of player
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I think best case scenario  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 12:33 pm : link
would be that within 2-3 years, Porz develops into a solid #2 or #3, Melo is still at least 75-80% of his prime, and the Knicks can somehow land a another star. That would be a decent big 3 to elevate the Knicks into the top of the conference.

Knicks would then have those players + a decent surrounding cast with Grant, Quinn, Lopez, and hopefully some other young guys emerge (maybe Hernangomez comes from abroad, etc).

A lot to ask for but I think that would be the best possible outcome.

Some of the young guys really need to step up this year such as Early, Thannis, Galloway, Grant, etc. If half of them can be solid contributes this year, that would set the stage nicely for the future.
RE: Would like to see  
Deej : 7/6/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12357923 giantsfan44ab said:
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Gallo and Wilson and Wilson Chandler back on the squad.


I'd like to see Amare back, though I might be thinking more with my heart.

Agree with Phil re a dynamic 2 guard. Maybe next offseason we can swing Porz+ for Paul George. I could see Bird loving Porz, and if they going into a rebuild George may want out. Strip that team of Hibbert, West, and Stevenson and you cant come close to replicating the 5 man unit that took the league by storm in 2013-14.
Strangely  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 12:36 pm : link
I don't think Amare would be the worst option for the Knicks lol as they desperately need low post scoring. However, almost 0 chance that happens.
Moves  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:37 pm : link
Pretty well for 7'2. Interesting
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Nobody is a bigger Gallo fan than me  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 12:38 pm : link
but I think that ship has sailed. He'd help, but he's hurt so much, and he deserves more money than they can afford to spend.

The hope is that KP can give you on offense what Gallo used to.
Decent  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:39 pm : link
Numbers too... I think I'd prefer gambling on a guy like this then bringing in some aging turd
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Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:41 pm : link
Phil seemingly likes Ledo considering Ledo's rep is sort of raw, low iq, gunner. Might realize we need scoring from somewhere and Ledo's game is Jr Smithian
Ndopur is going to be a rare phenomenon...  
manh george : 7/6/2015 12:42 pm : link
A High-Jumping Senegalese Eurostash. Birdwatchers had believed those to be extinct.

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Fleisher said Ndour is currently contemplating multiple offers from European teams and will spend next season abroad while maintaining connections with the Knicks.

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RE: Ndopur is going to be a rare phenomenon...  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:45 pm : link
In comment 12357960 manh george said:
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A High-Jumping Senegalese Eurostash. Birdwatchers had believed those to be extinct.



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Fleisher said Ndour is currently contemplating multiple offers from European teams and will spend next season abroad while maintaining connections with the Knicks.

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Sounds good to me. If you aren't going to play then nothing better than getting minutes in Europe. Dleague ball still leaves a lot to be desired... Terrible job by the NBA in converting the D into a minor league system so far
Could Galdikas end up...  
manh george : 7/6/2015 12:49 pm : link
with the slot we were all assuming for Aldrich, while looking more toward someone like Smith as a backup 4-5?
Unless  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:51 pm : link
My timelines are off

Affalo has played with Lopez and OQuinn already. Sort of interesting. Zinger has already played with Hernangomez but we won't see him this year. I noted this earlier but my brothers best friend is Hernangomez's English tutor
Dan  
manh george : 7/6/2015 12:52 pm : link
I think the biggest problem with the D-League is Europe.

Players can get so much more to play over there. Probably, it would benefit the NBA to put a small amount of the upcoming TV deal into permitting a couple of high salaries per D-League team. Even then, the competition against grown men in Europe is attractive for players seeking experience.
RE: Unless  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12357974 DanMetroMan said:
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My timelines are off

Affalo has played with Lopez and OQuinn already. Sort of interesting. Zinger has already played with Hernangomez but we won't see him this year. I noted this earlier but my brothers best friend is Hernangomez's English tutor


That's correct - OQuinn talked about it in his interview with Kennedy I believe
RE: Could Galdikas end up...  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12357971 manh george said:
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with the slot we were all assuming for Aldrich, while looking more toward someone like Smith as a backup 4-5?


He looks pretty intriguing to me. 7'2, reasonably fluid. Had a nice season in Europe.

According to reports, the Knicks have been watching him for over 3 years, and Knicks' president visited iauliai during the 2012-13 season to meet with Galdikas and watch him play, however, Galdikas was injured at the time[3]). In August 2013, the New York Knicks again showed interest in Galdikas, describing him as a 'diamond in the rough' and the 'third best Lithuanian center after Jonas Valančiūnas and Donatas Motiejūnas.[4]

During the 2014-2015 season he was scoring 11.2 points (74% FG), grabbing 10 rebounds and blocking 2.6 shots, while representing Asseco Gdynia club in Poland. Following it, he decided to participate in NBA Summer League to seek his dream of representing NBA club.[5] He will represent New York Knicks in the summer league.[6]
Im  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 12:54 pm : link
Intrigued by any big who can move. Even just clogging the lanes has value. Highlights are pretty impressive all things considered
I don't think it really matters  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 12:57 pm : link
but have the Knicks made any remarks or indications on whether Galloway will play the 1 or 2 next year? I feel like he may be better suited to play as a 2 in the 2nd rotation but like I said I guess it doesn't really matter - he'll probably get playing time at both positions.
RE: Nobody is a bigger Gallo fan than me  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12357953 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but I think that ship has sailed. He'd help, but he's hurt so much, and he deserves more money than they can afford to spend.

he had the major knee injury that cost him a season and change, but other than that what other injury problems has he had since leaving NY? He struggled early last year but really came on strong at the end of the season as he got back to 100%. It's certainly possible his best years are still ahead of him.
anyone else hate the Derrick Williams signing?  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 1:04 pm : link
I'm ok with the other moves, but in the case of Williams I don't like the player or the contract.
Deej  
Phil in LA : 7/6/2015 1:05 pm : link
If all goes right, Porz will become someone we won't trade. He is a very unusual combination of attributes. I'd expect to find the dynamic 2 with FA dollars once we're 40+ win team, or in the 17 draft.
RE: Unless  
Deej : 7/6/2015 1:06 pm : link
In comment 12357974 DanMetroMan said:
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My timelines are off

Affalo has played with Lopez and OQuinn already.


+ Melo. Not sure what sort of a guy he is, but there is a huge opportunity for him to take on a big leadership/uniter role.
I thin Derrick Williams  
Phil in LA : 7/6/2015 1:06 pm : link
has a huge chance at a breakout season in the Triangle.
RE: RE: Nobody is a bigger Gallo fan than me  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 1:10 pm : link
In comment 12358003 Enzo said:
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but I think that ship has sailed. He'd help, but he's hurt so much, and he deserves more money than they can afford to spend.


he had the major knee injury that cost him a season and change, but other than that what other injury problems has he had since leaving NY? He struggled early last year but really came on strong at the end of the season as he got back to 100%. It's certainly possible his best years are still ahead of him.


Maybe I'm misrepresenting his history of injury. Apparently the first time he had the knee, the surgery was botched. They had to go in a second time to repair it.

RE: I thin Derrick Williams  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 1:14 pm : link
In comment 12358015 Phil in LA said:
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has a huge chance at a breakout season in the Triangle.

seems as if he's average to below average at nearly every skill required of an NBA player.
RE: Deej  
Deej : 7/6/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12358012 Phil in LA said:
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If all goes right, Porz will become someone we won't trade. He is a very unusual combination of attributes. I'd expect to find the dynamic 2 with FA dollars once we're 40+ win team, or in the 17 draft.


I dont disagree. But Im not sure you turn down a Porz-George trade unless Porz really blows you away this year.

Enzo: I have reservations about the Williams deal. I dont like the player option (robs us of the upside) and I worry that he's just too low BBIQ. But it's fairly low risk if you consider the fact that for 2016-17, 5 million is going to feel a lot like $3 million in 2014-15. Jerome James this is not.
RE: I thin Derrick Williams  
Deej : 7/6/2015 1:17 pm : link
In comment 12358015 Phil in LA said:
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has a huge chance at a breakout season in the Triangle.


Im neither a Williams expert nor a Triangle expert, but my understanding is that he's not good at ball movement. Kind of a black hole.

What makes you think his breakout chance is positively effected by the Triangle?
RE: anyone else hate the Derrick Williams signing?  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12358009 Enzo said:
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I'm ok with the other moves, but in the case of Williams I don't like the player or the contract.


Not a huge fan but not going to rip it either. The player option next year was a bit much but who knows what other teams were offering + it should be pretty movable I would hope next year when cap goes up a lot. But all in all not a huge fan.

I do think he'll be in a better position to succeed this year than in year's past.
RE: RE: Deej  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 1:21 pm : link
In comment 12358045 Deej said:
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Enzo: I have reservations about the Williams deal. I dont like the player option (robs us of the upside) and I worry that he's just too low BBIQ. But it's fairly low risk if you consider the fact that for 2016-17, 5 million is going to feel a lot like $3 million in 2014-15. Jerome James this is not.

agreed. If somehow this guy turns the corner, he's likely gone for more money elsewhere. And while the contract is short and not for a ton of money, it sure seems like an overpay based on what he's done in the league so far.
Issue with Williams  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 1:22 pm : link
is that unlike a typical role player who excels in 1 area and struggles with the rest, I'm not sure what 1 area Williams does well in. Poor defender, rebounder, passer, mid-range shooter, FT shooter, etc. I guess he finishes well around the rim and in transition but that's it.

I guess if he can improve his rebounding a 3 pt shooting a bit, all of a sudden you have a 4 who can shoot 3's and spread the floor - a valuable asset.

Knicks will certainly have to hope that he's young and hungry enough to still improve in a few key areas.
There is still upside with Derrick Williams for us, even with the  
BeerFridge : 7/6/2015 1:25 pm : link
option. He's motivated to outplay this deal and get another. And the Knicks need help winning games. It's a bit like when Martellus Bennett came to the Giants. He was talented and needed an opportunity.

In a somewhat similar vein, Williams is probably looking to get a big contract. He'll have opportunity to show that he can be a player. If he does, then great. If he doesn't, the worst case is he's out of here after his second year.
A lot of us  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 1:25 pm : link
complain that the Calderon deal is very burdensome despite only being 7 million dollars and the cap going up.

If Williams struggles and opts in at 5 million, that's another poor contract to deal with, which sucks despite the low cost. The 5 million could potentially be the difference between a max and a 2nd tier player. I guess they're always ways to free up a few million here and there but that's a risk the Knicks are taking on for a meh player.

Hopefully it doesn't get to the point where 12 million of the Knicks salaries are devoted to poor players.
Derrick Williams  
Canton : 7/6/2015 1:26 pm : link
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Derrick Williams has figured out a niche in the NBA — he can score the rock. He shot 39.4 percent on corner threes last season. As word spread around the league that defenders had to close on him from the corners, he showed the ability to put the ball on the floor, drive to the rim and put up dunks that got him on SportsCenter. Kings fans loved him for it.

Now it will be Knicks fans turn.

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Always be wary of the guy who has a surprising year shooting 3's  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 1:28 pm : link
when that wasn't his game beforehand.

I'd be cautiously optimistic at best on what he can bring to the table. What are his strengths as a player?
So basically Derrick Williams will be Shawne Williams  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/6/2015 1:29 pm : link
with athleticism?
Deej  
Phil in LA : 7/6/2015 1:39 pm : link
Williams can move well without the ball, which is big in the Triangle because both players and the ball should always be moving, and he's good at setting picks and finishing. His shot seems to be improving, too.

So you're adding a 6'8" 245 pound guy who can move without the ball, set picks, and score down low, when we don't have a starting C who'll be a great scorer.

His threes have gotten better, as Melo's did, and could continue to, as if the Triangle is working correctly he'll get a bunch of wide open corner threes.
"He shot 39.4 percent on corner threes last season. "  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 1:39 pm : link
How does that compare to other guys around the league from the corner? Steph Curry probably shot 50-60% from the corner last year. And how many attempts from the corner are we talking? This guy only made 49 all year.
He's definitely not gonna be as good as Steph Curry  
BeerFridge : 7/6/2015 1:40 pm : link
I feel pretty confident writing that.
kash  
Deej : 7/6/2015 1:41 pm : link
I've read that Williams is average defensively, not poor. Moreover, I generally find that (1) ok defenders start to look good when surrounded by better defenders (what makes the Lopez signing key), and (2) effective team defense is often a whole is greater than the sum of its parts situation.
RE: So basically Derrick Williams will be Shawne Williams  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12358094 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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with athleticism?

except Extra E shot 44% on corner threes during his one season in NY.
RE: kash  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 1:44 pm : link
In comment 12358138 Deej said:
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I've read that Williams is average defensively, not poor. Moreover, I generally find that (1) ok defenders start to look good when surrounded by better defenders (what makes the Lopez signing key), and (2) effective team defense is often a whole is greater than the sum of its parts situation.


Interesting well that would help. Yea it's tough to judge him too much because 1- he's still very young 2- he's been in pretty shitty spots with Minnesota and Sacramento.

Good point about the team defense. Knicks were 7th in defensive efficiency in 2010 actually despite pretty subpar defenders around the court. But Shumpert + Tyson + a pretty hard working unit helped with that.

Reminds me of how BBI talks about the offensive line at times and how cohesiveness often helps overcome a lack of individual talent at times.
Thing with Williams  
giantsfan44ab : 7/6/2015 1:45 pm : link
Is that his cold days are really cold but he's a lock to have a few hot games. At worst, we paid $5 million for 8-10 20+ PPg performances
RE: anyone else hate the Derrick Williams signing?  
Jan in DC : 7/6/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12358009 Enzo said:
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I'm ok with the other moves, but in the case of Williams I don't like the player or the contract.


I do. I would have been ok with it if it was a team option. I don't understand making it a player option at all.
Sacramento  
Phil in LA : 7/6/2015 2:00 pm : link
seemed to have no rhyme nor reason to their offense at all. Williams should be able to get a lot better looks if he can execute his role in the Triangle with the Knicks. He's springier than Melo for alley oops and putbacks.
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