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DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 8:03 am
Italian PG who played at USC (Not much of a 3 point shooter so unsure of the fit... 25% this season at Milano)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Daniel-Hackett-1384/


Begley
This isnt to say that Jacksons offseason has been a failure so far. By and large, he landed quality players (Robin Lopez, Arron Afflalo, Kyle OQuinn) on reasonable contracts who should help the team take a step forward from the 17-win disaster during the 2014-15 season.

But if anything can be gleaned after the first few days of free agency, its this: The lure of playing in New York -- or in any other big market -- is no longer enough to attract elite talent, so Jackson now needs to build a team that can.

Thats the one way he can hope to sell free agents in the summer of 2016 or 2017.

Other factors that used to give big markets like New York an advantage in free agency no longer exist.



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nygiants16 : 7/6/2015 2:02 pm : link
Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m1 minute ago
#Knicks roster on paper not ready for playoffs now but person close to Phil says frontcourt RoLo-KP-Melo could be best in East in 2017-18
Derrick Williams is 17 months older than Jerian Grant and  
BeerFridge : 7/6/2015 2:03 pm : link
we all love Grant. Worst case, he doesn't improve at all and he's just a guy who brings us some points as a chucker off the bench.
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Enzo : 7/6/2015 2:04 pm : link
In comment 12358205 nygiants16 said:
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Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m1 minute ago
#Knicks roster on paper not ready for playoffs now but person close to Phil says frontcourt RoLo-KP-Melo could be best in East in 2017-18

knowing this franchise, what's more likely - the above statement comes true or two out of those three are with a different team by then?

RE: Derrick Williams is 17 months older than Jerian Grant and  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 2:06 pm : link
In comment 12358210 BeerFridge said:
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we all love Grant. Worst case, he doesn't improve at all and he's just a guy who brings us some points as a chucker off the bench.


They seem pretty different though. Williams was one of those kids drafted as a raw athlete, IIRC.

With Grant, the expectation is a finished product with defined and refined skills.
Unlike the NYG  
Pep22 : 7/6/2015 2:14 pm : link
the NYK don't seem to offer quotes about incoming FAs. I suppose there will be a press conference at some point.
RE: Unlike the NYG  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12358243 Pep22 said:
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the NYK don't seem to offer quotes about incoming FAs. I suppose there will be a press conference at some point.


I think this is across the league though - perhaps because the signings are technically official yet
RE: Unlike the NYG  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 2:15 pm : link
In comment 12358243 Pep22 said:
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the NYK don't seem to offer quotes about incoming FAs. I suppose there will be a press conference at some point.


Usually, when they're done making deals, they'll hold one catch-all press conference introduction.
RE: RE: Unlike the NYG  
kash94 : 7/6/2015 2:15 pm : link
In comment 12358246 kash94 said:
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In comment 12358243 Pep22 said:


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the NYK don't seem to offer quotes about incoming FAs. I suppose there will be a press conference at some point.



I think this is across the league though - perhaps because the signings are technically official yet


are not**
teams cant discuss signings..  
Italianju : 7/6/2015 2:18 pm : link
until after the stupid moratorium period is over which is July 9th. They will announce, discuss, hold press conference, etc... after that date.
RE: Unlike the NYG  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12358243 Pep22 said:
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the NYK don't seem to offer quotes about incoming FAs. I suppose there will be a press conference at some point.

None of these moves are "official" yet.
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dep026 : 7/6/2015 2:34 pm : link
In comment 12358205 nygiants16 said:
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Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m1 minute ago
#Knicks roster on paper not ready for playoffs now but person close to Phil says frontcourt RoLo-KP-Melo could be best in East in 2017-18


Is Lebron retiring?
RE: RE: Derrick Williams is 17 months older than Jerian Grant and  
BeerFridge : 7/6/2015 2:36 pm : link
In comment 12358225 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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we all love Grant. Worst case, he doesn't improve at all and he's just a guy who brings us some points as a chucker off the bench.



They seem pretty different though. Williams was one of those kids drafted as a raw athlete, IIRC.

With Grant, the expectation is a finished product with defined and refined skills.


Yeah, that's fair. They are different players. With Williams, he came in as a dominant college player and really looked like he could do it all and seemed pretty polished. But that hasn't showed in the NBA. And it may never.

But there will still be a learning curve for Grant, who should be a refined player as you say.
Person close to phil  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 2:36 pm : link
probably clarence gaines, who was probably the biggest voice encouraging the KP pick.
Open  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 3:23 pm : link
Minded to any former high pick (Williams in this case) but people citing his 39% on corner 3's are being pretty ridiculous considering how few overall 3's he took.
Open  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 3:24 pm : link
Minded to any former high pick (Williams in this case) but people citing his 39% on corner 3's are being pretty ridiculous considering how few overall 3's he took.
If KP  
Deej : 7/6/2015 3:29 pm : link
turns out to be Dirk Nowitski + rim protecting and better defense, sure, that threesome could be the best in the East at the point. LeBron will still be a top 5 player, but by that time Anthony Davis will probably be better. Kevin Love is still horrific defensively and his play only reinforced the voices who said he was compiling stats on bad MN teams. And I dont know what you can count on from Mozgov (who could be the straw that breaks the camel's back on taxes) or TT (who I dont really like).

Cleveland will probably be a hair better, but with luck we'll be close.
Problem  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 3:34 pm : link
is... a fantastic outcome is KP being Love 2.0. I mean the Knicks would sign for that tomorrow. We know Lebron is better than Melo so unless you think Robin Lopez is an absolute stud there is almost no chance the Knicks trio is better.
RE: If KP  
hitdog42 : 7/6/2015 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12358441 Deej said:
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turns out to be Dirk Nowitski + rim protecting and better defense, sure, that threesome could be the best in the East at the point. LeBron will still be a top 5 player, but by that time Anthony Davis will probably be better. Kevin Love is still horrific defensively and his play only reinforced the voices who said he was compiling stats on bad MN teams. And I dont know what you can count on from Mozgov (who could be the straw that breaks the camel's back on taxes) or TT (who I dont really like).

Cleveland will probably be a hair better, but with luck we'll be close.


that description puts KP on the Mount Rushmore of the NBA within 4 years.
KOQ  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 3:37 pm : link
"I love everybody there [in Orlando]," the 6-foot-10 big man said in a telephone interview Sunday. "I love my whole team: the GM on down to the guy that cleans the bathrooms. I loved everybody there, and I think it was a mutual feeling. It was the feeling that I loved every day coming to work. So it'll be definitely different going to the Knicks, but this is what you have to deal with as far as being in this business.

"It was a long-term deal. That played a big part. When I found out I was going home, of course I was excited to be around my mom and my dad and my sister. ... And it was just a good opportunity for me to possibly get minutes, play a bigger role, and hopefully I can flourish in it."
Grant's  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 3:42 pm : link
nickname is Bam Bam... given to him by.... Rod Strickland.
RE: RE: If KP  
Deej : 7/6/2015 3:44 pm : link
In comment 12358462 hitdog42 said:
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that description puts KP on the Mount Rushmore of the NBA within 4 years.


Yes, but that's his potential, right? A Dirk level shooter with who can defend better than Dirk and will block shots. Not saying that's what he'll be, but there is a reason some said he had the highest upside in the draft.

And Dan, Im not getting dragged into another argument with you about absolute upside vs. what I'd gladly take. If you guaranteed me that KP would be Love 2.0, I'd take it. But his upside is to be a better 2 way player with less rebounding.
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DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 3:47 pm : link
In comment 12358483 Deej said:
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that description puts KP on the Mount Rushmore of the NBA within 4 years.



Yes, but that's his potential, right? A Dirk level shooter with who can defend better than Dirk and will block shots. Not saying that's what he'll be, but there is a reason some said he had the highest upside in the draft.

And Dan, Im not getting dragged into another argument with you about absolute upside vs. what I'd gladly take. If you guaranteed me that KP would be Love 2.0, I'd take it. But his upside is to be a better 2 way player with less rebounding.


Deej,
I merely meant Phil Jackson would sign a contract this instant for KP to be an exact replica of Kevin Love.
Am I insane for probably being disappointed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 3:49 pm : link
if you told me he was going to be Kevin Love?
RE: Am I insane for probably being disappointed  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 3:55 pm : link
In comment 12358495 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if you told me he was going to be Kevin Love?


Yeah you are. You are buying into the fun of the "unknown" and the fact Love is flawed because of his horrible defense (something that may end up being an issue with KP as well). Kevin Love career 19 and 12 on 45% from the field, 36% from 3, 81% from the line. If people will be disappointed with that from KP then more likely than not prepare to be disappointed.
RE: Am I insane for probably being disappointed  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12358495 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if you told me he was going to be Kevin Love?

yes.
I mean, I'm excited because he'll become a rebound machine  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 3:57 pm : link
but disappointed in that he won't be any kind of defensive presence.

Something about Kevin Love's game does not personally satisfy my idea of what a star player should be.
RE: Am I insane for probably being disappointed  
Deej : 7/6/2015 3:58 pm : link
In comment 12358495 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if you told me he was going to be Kevin Love?


Probably. But I get your point -- it is difficult to get over his defense. And he's not an ideal fit here, since (1) we already have a defensively challenged star forward, and (2) we dont have those great run/jump/finish wings who would flourish with his outlet passing.
Contracts  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 3:59 pm : link
aside, Kevin Love goes #1 overall in this draft if somehow he were available.
Kevin Love and Melo are comparable players  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/6/2015 4:00 pm : link
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RE: Kevin Love and Melo are comparable players  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2015 4:02 pm : link
In comment 12358532 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Granted, but I think Kevin Love is just boring as hell. At least Melo's highs are fun to watch. Kevin Love is dry toast.
question for the masses!  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 4:21 pm : link
Let's assume you surround prime/peak Melo and Love with similar supporting casts (e.g. rim protecting center, 3 and D wings, all-star PG, deep bench, etc.). Who wins more?
RE: question for the masses!  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12358606 Enzo said:
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Let's assume you surround prime/peak Melo and Love with similar supporting casts (e.g. rim protecting center, 3 and D wings, all-star PG, deep bench, etc.). Who wins more?


Pretty similar outcome if you ask me.
In his upside version...  
manh george : 7/6/2015 4:24 pm : link
KP is going to be a bear to defend. I expect he stays more agile than Nowitski, and 4s are going to hate following out to 3 range where he could be quick enough to go around them. And in the midrange, he will be impossible to defend just by being so tall.

KP even close to his upside is going to make Melo's life a lot easier. 4's will be in no position to help out.

The intriguing part about getting RoLo plus O'Quinn for pretty much the same price as Monroe is that they both could become good partners for JP, in differing situations.
I would image that KP's length alone will make him a better defender  
Greg from LI : 7/6/2015 4:28 pm : link
than Love. He's a better athlete than Love, too. Not saying he'll be a plus defender but when the comparison is Love it's a low bar to clear.
RE: In his upside version...  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12358618 manh george said:
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KP is going to be a bear to defend. I expect he stays more agile than Nowitski, and 4s are going to hate following out to 3 range where he could be quick enough to go around them. And in the midrange, he will be impossible to defend just by being so tall.

KP even close to his upside is going to make Melo's life a lot easier. 4's will be in no position to help out.

The intriguing part about getting RoLo plus O'Quinn for pretty much the same price as Monroe is that they both could become good partners for JP, in differing situations.


I think you are underrating how agile Dirk was at the same age.
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David West to the Spurs for the minimum  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 4:33 pm : link
If he's ring chasing at this point, why not go to Cleveland for the same money and a MUCH easier path to the finals?
Any  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 4:33 pm : link
thoughts on this kid? Apparently a bunch of teams are in on him
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Derrick Williams is worth a risk  
Vanzetti : 7/6/2015 4:34 pm : link
The guy was predicted to be a top talent. He probably never will be. But he is still very young and it is not out of the realm of possibility that he blossoms.
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DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 4:36 pm : link
NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 22s23 seconds ago
.@LangGalloway10 to http://Knicks.com on @kporzee: "Just watching him in the gym today working out, hes looking real good."
maybe he puts his trust in Pop rather than Dave Blatt  
Greg from LI : 7/6/2015 4:36 pm : link
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RE: David West to the Spurs for the minimum  
Vanzetti : 7/6/2015 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12358659 Enzo said:
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If he's ring chasing at this point, why not go to Cleveland for the same money and a MUCH easier path to the finals?


I think the Spurs will be picked by alot of people to win it all next season. Plus, Tim Duncan is truly one of the class acts in sports these days. I can see wanting to play on that teat team.
RE: David West to the Spurs for the minimum  
Deej : 7/6/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12358659 Enzo said:
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If he's ring chasing at this point, why not go to Cleveland for the same money and a MUCH easier path to the finals?


Cant wait 'til LMA refuses to go into the game to play center with West at the 4. Amiright?
Barton  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 4:39 pm : link
sounds very intriguing and we have minutes to give at the 2

" February 19th, 2015 the Portland Trail Blazers traded away a 2016 first-round pick, Will Barton, Thomas Robinson, and Victor Claver to acquire Arron Afflalo and Alonzo Gee from the Denver Nuggets. Blazers fans may end up ruing the first-rounder more than any other asset, but of all the live bodies traded away, Barton currently causes the most remorse. Though his numbers in Portland were mediocre--10.8 points per 36 minutes, 3.0 points per game on 38% shooting from the field, 22% from the arc--the "People's Champ" had plenty of support due to his high-flying, devil-may-care approach to the game.

Barton's approach took wing in Denver where he found more playing time and a more permissive offense, both hallmarks of a team searching for identity. His shooting percentage skyrocketed to 44%; his three-point average rose to 28%. He posted a career-high 16.2 points per 36, 11.0 points per game. Barton has registered a half dozen 20-point games in his 3-year career. 3 of those came in the last 3 months. His advent was dramatic.

Barton's game hasn't changed much, nor has Portland's offense. He wouldn't have put up those numbers in a Trail Blazers uniform. But Portland's roster will be in flux this summer. Their future contains plenty of question marks. Offense in 2016 may bear little resemblance to the 2013-2015 vintages."
draft.net  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2015 4:41 pm : link
NBA Comparison: Doug West
Strengths: Wiry thin swingman at 66 with tremendous length ... Production increased exponentially from freshman to sophomore campaigns ... Versatile and creative scorer without a distinct offensive pattern (18 PPG). Lethal in the mid-range shooting off the dribble ... Quick trigger. Effortless range from downtown, strong wrists ... Consistency from deep on the incline (35%) from standstill and utilizing screens ... High percentage of drives/slashes to the basket result in a floater or short jumper, both of which he is adept at converting ... Soft touch gives the ball a chance when hitting the rim, gets many friendly rolls ... Look no further than his 51% field goals to assess advancements in shot selection ... Overall decision making has been cultivated in a short time frame ... Plays with a newfound patience- probing the defense and seeking out a high-quality look for himself or a teammate ... Herky jerky off the dribble repertoire, hesitation dribble suits his style ... Possesses a quick first step and long, loping strides ... If he gets past you hes at the hoop in a hurry ... Able to squirt through small openings in the defense while remaining on balance ... Excellent body control around the rim. Ability to suspend himself in air allows for sublime body contortions ... Creates unconventional angles due to exceptionally long arms. Above average athlete ... Excels in transition where he gobbles up ground and is a strong two-footed leaper ... Premiere rebounding guard in the country (8 RPG) that results in instant fast break opportunities, due to his ability to take the ball coast to coast ... Nose for the rock. Spent more time with the ball in his hands as a sophomore, showing glimpses of burgeoning passing skills and court vision (2.9 APG) ... Disruptive weapon defensively (1.4 SPG & 0.7 BPG). Can guard positions 1-3 with his length and fluid lateral movements ... A great kid, charismatic individual with an infectious personality ...

Weaknesses: Must get stronger. Classification as thin is an understatement. Body type doesnt suggest he can add weight comfortably. Avoids contact and physical encounters at the rim- struggles to finish through a bump ... A slight bump when off balance can send him reeling ... Gets to the free throw line due to awkward style more so than consistent aggression (5 attempts per game) ... Lacks elite level explosiveness ... Despite improvements in shot selection and decision making (2.8 TO), momentary lapses of reason still invade his game ... Has a tendency to settle, particularly in physical matchups ... At times displays a lack of confidence in his handle, picking up his dribble unnecessarily when unable to beat his defender ... Off the dribble variety is not a staple. His natural feel for putting the ball in the hoop is absent in the remainder of his offensive skill package ... While shooting range is not in question, consistency is ... Doesnt use his base or get much elevation on his jumper ... Adjustment to complimentary part status will be integral, playing off the ball and not dominating it. Does he have the strength to guard opposing 2s and 3s in the league? Likely to be bullied by power guards and wings ... Its difficult to define how his skill sets translate to the next level, as Barton is a unique player without a clear-cut role ... He's also a year old for his grade, born January 1991, so that must be taken into account when guaging his potential ...
Doug West?  
Greg from LI : 7/6/2015 4:42 pm : link
Digging deep for that comparison
Why the Spurs  
Deej : 7/6/2015 4:42 pm : link
They have more of a need at a pure 4 backup. Duncan will rest a ton, and Aldridge can play the 5 if he agrees. By contrast, the Cavs already have Love as pure 4 play, plus Thompson who was forced to play a lot of 5 last year (80% @ C) but is really a PF and will probably play there less with Mosgov in tow. He's not a great fit on the Cavs.
RE: David West to the Spurs for the minimum  
giants#1 : 7/6/2015 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12358659 Enzo said:
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If he's ring chasing at this point, why not go to Cleveland for the same money and a MUCH easier path to the finals?


Cavs clearly have the easier road to "get" to the finals, but I'm not sure (with or without West) they can beat any of the top 4-5 West teams in the finals (GS, SA, Hou, LAC, OKC).

A Pop coached team built around Leonard/LMA with Duncan/Parker/Green as "role" players has to be the pre-season favorite.
RE: maybe he puts his trust in Pop rather than Dave Blatt  
Enzo : 7/6/2015 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12358674 Greg from LI said:
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Pop's been around 19 years and only reached the finals 6 times. Blatt is batting a thousand! ha...
It actually seems like he's been to the finals more than 6 times  
Greg from LI : 7/6/2015 4:44 pm : link
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Spurs are starting to remind me of another Super Team  
Deej : 7/6/2015 4:45 pm : link
where players took less to band together for a title
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