I see a lot of NYG fans calling for the team to cut bait, but one possible outcome, I would suspect, would be for this episode to swing leverage in favor of the team and bring JPPs demands down to a more reasonable level. Surely it has to help register the value of a long term contract in the eyes of his camp.
I see a lot of NYG fans calling for the team to cut bait, but one possible outcome, I would suspect, would be for this episode to swing leverage in favor of the team and bring JPPs demands down to a more reasonable level. Surely it has to help register the value of a long term contract in the eyes of his camp.
Yes, I agree. Leverage now favors the NY Giants even if the injuries aren't as bad as some have noted. If he is limited in camp so be it but we still have the leverage advantage. If JPP has hit desperation mode as an adult NFL player, he may find the inspiration to change and focus on football more. That can only benefit us long term.
Personally, I'm hoping we sign him long-term but only if the long-term deal is favorable to the Giants in relation to his skillset. I think JPP is a top five run defender but maybe not even in the top dozen in terms of pass rush ability. I think he gets off the snap slower than most and hence he'll never have that "first step" burst to get to QB's that take those quick 3 step and fire drops like Brady, Manning and Rodgers often do.
Breathing In, Breathing Out, Praying for the Best here!
Perhaps both sides can find a compromise, but even knowing this was entirely JPP's doing, I'd be surprised if NYG completely cut bait on him, it's not their style. They take care of their own, even if both sides figure he's on his way out after this season.
At this stage, let's wish the man a speedy recovery and hopefully he can return to the football field to earn a living.
NYG can send a firm message that is both a reality check but lets the players know NYG will take care of its own, even when the player alone fooked up.
Perhaps both sides can find a compromise, but even knowing this was entirely JPP's doing, I'd be surprised if NYG completely cut bait on him, it's not their style. They take care of their own, even if both sides figure he's on his way out after this season.
At this stage, let's wish the man a speedy recovery and hopefully he can return to the football field to earn a living.
May not completely cut bait on him. It's not like he pulled a will hill or a plax. IMO, I think there will be a compromise with both and plays on his tender this year.
no reason at all to pull the tender even if he's going to be out
awhile. Let him sign it, you put him on the non-football injury list and you are not paying him any way. Why move on? we don't have better options than him any way. Players aren't fazed by this crap. All they are worried about is getting paid and playing football and what kind of teammate he is.
the Giants continue to get weaker this offseason and our division opponents stronger, and fans will be OK with that in October, November, and December?
I'd be perfectly fine if JPP took his immature me-first attitude to dallas or philly. Actually he'd probably fit right in there with those clowns.
Let someone else give him 12 million a year to half-ass it all year.
Stop and think about it for a minute. Look at the choices that this guy is making when money is ON THE TABLE to be grabbed.
Once you put it in his pocket who knows what this buffoon will do. I see lots of fat training camps and missed games due to back strains.
This is professional football, the key word being PROFESSIONAL. JPP will never get that.
Let him infect other teams with his cancer-ridden attitude all the while eating 1/10th of their yearly salary cap.
Not sure if this guy is serious or just a goof. Me-first, cancer-ridden attitude because he was lighting fireworks during the 4th of July? Yeah, he should have been in the gym lifting weights or running 10 miles or something instead.
the Giants continue to get weaker this offseason and our division opponents stronger, and fans will be OK with that in October, November, and December?
Somehow I don't buy that.
I don't think JPP is making anyone stronger in 2015, and I don't think he'll be worth the cost in seasons beyond this.
If the Giants have any desire to compete this year,
they need JPP to take as many snaps as he did last year.
There is too much still unknown at this point for me to comment on whether they should pull the tender or not. I would only pull the tender if he would end up missing the first quarter of the season or more. Otherwise, the opportunity cost of saving some derivative of $14.8M is not worth it.
then chances are, he might not be in top shape for another quarter of a season(how long did it take for him to get going last year?), and by then, the season(getting into the playoffs) could be over.....so do you pay him?
Perhaps both sides can find a compromise, but even knowing this was entirely JPP's doing, I'd be surprised if NYG completely cut bait on him, it's not their style. They take care of their own, even if both sides figure he's on his way out after this season.
At this stage, let's wish the man a speedy recovery and hopefully he can return to the football field to earn a living.
May not completely cut bait on him. It's not like he pulled a will hill or a plax. IMO, I think there will be a compromise with both and plays on his tender this year.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but on specific episodes alone, I don't think this is really all that different from Plax. It was a player injuring himself severely while taking an unnecessary (and illegal) risk, leaving the team in a bind.
JPP is a Buffoon and has repeatedly shown it. Throwing prince in an ice bath, stupid comments, and now a fireworks incident.
If I'm a coach I can't win with guys who don't put the team first and think that JV football camp antics are valid things for a PROFESSIONAL football player to do.
I quite frankly don't give 2 shits what any Giant does when he is not at the facility, so long as he doesn't get suspended or hurt himself.
I think the disconnect and why I'm beating this drum over and over is because if you take your Giants fandom out of the equation and look at JPP's play objectively, he's not Lawrence Taylor or even a Plaxico Burress whose play is superior enough that you overlook these things.
In essence, JPP is a lot closer to Will Hill than Plaxico Burress, and everyone other than the delusional Giants fans on here knows that already.
It's only the guys on here who remember the 2011 JPP who was barely gameplanned for as the 4th best DL and think that has been the consistency of his career. Wake up- it hasn't.
Let's go down the list of what are facts, NOT hypotheticals, not conjecture--- facts.
1) Video surfaced of JPP throwing a teammate into an ice bath. Both Dangerous and unprofessional at the same time. What if Prince hit his head on the ice tub? What if JPP slipped while throwing him in and both got hurt? Dumb
2) JPP Shows up to camp with the gut of a middle aged man, and has a shitty year marred by herniated discs and back surgery
3) JPP in 2014 has an injury scare laying on his back on the field at least 6 or 7 times during the year. He "guts it out" to come back in the game. Conditioning?
4) JPP thinks he is a top tier DE and doesn't show up to mandatory mini camp. That is his right he is not under contract.
5) JPP blows his hand up acting like a 10 year old on July 4th with a TRUCK full of fireworks the WEEK BEFORE he is scheduled to sign a tender for 12+ million dollars OR a long term deal worth north of 60 million dollars.
Does that sound like a guy who you want to give 12 million a year to? What the hell is going to happen next?
There is absolutely no rason to pull his franchise tender
We control his rights. His contract will get discounted for any time he misses. That's what the non football injury clauses are there for. To protect the team in a situation like this.
Sit tight and assess his recovery. Burn recovery times can vary widely from person to person. Even the doctors are guessing about his availability to participate in football activities.
"2) JPP Shows up to camp with the gut of a middle aged man, and has a shitty year marred by herniated discs and back surgery
3) JPP in 2014 has an injury scare laying on his back on the field at least 6 or 7 times during the year. He "guts it out" to come back in the game. Conditioning?"
Are you guys serious? You would not be concerned if he was in Dallas or Philly?
Are you guys saying he sucks?
Seriously. It makes no sense.
Absolutely no reason to cut bait with him. Losing JPP is a massive blow to this team.
Frankly, he isn't a rapist, murderer, wife beater, or drug dealer, so I really don't give a shit what kind of person he is as long as he helps the Giants win. Everyone saying to cut him because he's a "cancer" or something is so laughably off base.
Are you guys serious? You would not be concerned if he was in Dallas or Philly?
Are you guys saying he sucks?
Seriously. It makes no sense.
Absolutely no reason to cut bait with him. Losing JPP is a massive blow to this team.
Frankly, he isn't a rapist, murderer, wife beater, or drug dealer, so I really don't give a shit what kind of person he is as long as he helps the Giants win. Everyone saying to cut him because he's a "cancer" or something is so laughably off base.
Not hearing anything, but I don't know why you would pull the tender. You want JPP in Dallas or Philly?
That doesn't particularly concern me.
Oh Jesus Terps get off of it! You make it sound like he is Chad Bratzke or something! He may not be a 60 million dollar player, but hes a damn good DE. Despite not having the sacks, there were games where JPP beasted his blockers and just didnt get to qb.
JPP on either of those teams would be very bad for us.
Personally, I'm hoping we sign him long-term but only if the long-term deal is favorable to the Giants in relation to his skillset. I think JPP is a top five run defender but maybe not even in the top dozen in terms of pass rush ability. I think he gets off the snap slower than most and hence he'll never have that "first step" burst to get to QB's that take those quick 3 step and fire drops like Brady, Manning and Rodgers often do.
Breathing In, Breathing Out, Praying for the Best here!
At this stage, let's wish the man a speedy recovery and hopefully he can return to the football field to earn a living.
We still don't know if his hand is just really a bad burn or if there is legitimate nerve damage or strength reduction or anything else.
Get well, JPP.
Let someone else give him 12 million a year to half-ass it all year.
Stop and think about it for a minute. Look at the choices that this guy is making when money is ON THE TABLE to be grabbed.
Once you put it in his pocket who knows what this buffoon will do. I see lots of fat training camps and missed games due to back strains.
This is professional football, the key word being PROFESSIONAL. JPP will never get that.
Let him infect other teams with his cancer-ridden attitude all the while eating 1/10th of their yearly salary cap.
That doesn't particularly concern me.
At this stage, let's wish the man a speedy recovery and hopefully he can return to the football field to earn a living.
May not completely cut bait on him. It's not like he pulled a will hill or a plax. IMO, I think there will be a compromise with both and plays on his tender this year.
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Not hearing anything, but I don't know why you would pull the tender. You want JPP in Dallas or Philly?
That doesn't particularly concern me.
Or me
Somehow I don't buy that.
Let someone else give him 12 million a year to half-ass it all year.
Stop and think about it for a minute. Look at the choices that this guy is making when money is ON THE TABLE to be grabbed.
Once you put it in his pocket who knows what this buffoon will do. I see lots of fat training camps and missed games due to back strains.
This is professional football, the key word being PROFESSIONAL. JPP will never get that.
Let him infect other teams with his cancer-ridden attitude all the while eating 1/10th of their yearly salary cap.
Not sure if this guy is serious or just a goof. Me-first, cancer-ridden attitude because he was lighting fireworks during the 4th of July? Yeah, he should have been in the gym lifting weights or running 10 miles or something instead.
Somehow I don't buy that.
I don't think JPP is making anyone stronger in 2015, and I don't think he'll be worth the cost in seasons beyond this.
There is too much still unknown at this point for me to comment on whether they should pull the tender or not. I would only pull the tender if he would end up missing the first quarter of the season or more. Otherwise, the opportunity cost of saving some derivative of $14.8M is not worth it.
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Perhaps both sides can find a compromise, but even knowing this was entirely JPP's doing, I'd be surprised if NYG completely cut bait on him, it's not their style. They take care of their own, even if both sides figure he's on his way out after this season.
At this stage, let's wish the man a speedy recovery and hopefully he can return to the football field to earn a living.
May not completely cut bait on him. It's not like he pulled a will hill or a plax. IMO, I think there will be a compromise with both and plays on his tender this year.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but on specific episodes alone, I don't think this is really all that different from Plax. It was a player injuring himself severely while taking an unnecessary (and illegal) risk, leaving the team in a bind.
Getting rid of him now based 100% on emotional response - that's not how you make business decisions.
JPP is a Buffoon and has repeatedly shown it. Throwing prince in an ice bath, stupid comments, and now a fireworks incident.
If I'm a coach I can't win with guys who don't put the team first and think that JV football camp antics are valid things for a PROFESSIONAL football player to do.
I quite frankly don't give 2 shits what any Giant does when he is not at the facility, so long as he doesn't get suspended or hurt himself.
I think the disconnect and why I'm beating this drum over and over is because if you take your Giants fandom out of the equation and look at JPP's play objectively, he's not Lawrence Taylor or even a Plaxico Burress whose play is superior enough that you overlook these things.
In essence, JPP is a lot closer to Will Hill than Plaxico Burress, and everyone other than the delusional Giants fans on here knows that already.
It's only the guys on here who remember the 2011 JPP who was barely gameplanned for as the 4th best DL and think that has been the consistency of his career. Wake up- it hasn't.
Let's go down the list of what are facts, NOT hypotheticals, not conjecture--- facts.
1) Video surfaced of JPP throwing a teammate into an ice bath. Both Dangerous and unprofessional at the same time. What if Prince hit his head on the ice tub? What if JPP slipped while throwing him in and both got hurt? Dumb
2) JPP Shows up to camp with the gut of a middle aged man, and has a shitty year marred by herniated discs and back surgery
3) JPP in 2014 has an injury scare laying on his back on the field at least 6 or 7 times during the year. He "guts it out" to come back in the game. Conditioning?
4) JPP thinks he is a top tier DE and doesn't show up to mandatory mini camp. That is his right he is not under contract.
5) JPP blows his hand up acting like a 10 year old on July 4th with a TRUCK full of fireworks the WEEK BEFORE he is scheduled to sign a tender for 12+ million dollars OR a long term deal worth north of 60 million dollars.
Does that sound like a guy who you want to give 12 million a year to? What the hell is going to happen next?
Sit tight and assess his recovery. Burn recovery times can vary widely from person to person. Even the doctors are guessing about his availability to participate in football activities.
Are you guys serious? You would not be concerned if he was in Dallas or Philly?
Are you guys saying he sucks?
3) JPP in 2014 has an injury scare laying on his back on the field at least 6 or 7 times during the year. He "guts it out" to come back in the game. Conditioning?"
Are you guys serious? You would not be concerned if he was in Dallas or Philly?
Are you guys saying he sucks?
Seriously. It makes no sense.
Absolutely no reason to cut bait with him. Losing JPP is a massive blow to this team.
Frankly, he isn't a rapist, murderer, wife beater, or drug dealer, so I really don't give a shit what kind of person he is as long as he helps the Giants win. Everyone saying to cut him because he's a "cancer" or something is so laughably off base.
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I'm also amazed at the willingness to let him go.
Are you guys serious? You would not be concerned if he was in Dallas or Philly?
Are you guys saying he sucks?
Seriously. It makes no sense.
Absolutely no reason to cut bait with him. Losing JPP is a massive blow to this team.
Frankly, he isn't a rapist, murderer, wife beater, or drug dealer, so I really don't give a shit what kind of person he is as long as he helps the Giants win. Everyone saying to cut him because he's a "cancer" or something is so laughably off base.
It's bizarre
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Not hearing anything, but I don't know why you would pull the tender. You want JPP in Dallas or Philly?
That doesn't particularly concern me.
Oh Jesus Terps get off of it! You make it sound like he is Chad Bratzke or something! He may not be a 60 million dollar player, but hes a damn good DE. Despite not having the sacks, there were games where JPP beasted his blockers and just didnt get to qb.
JPP on either of those teams would be very bad for us.