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JPP Right Index Finger Amputated Per ESPN

jd311 : 7/8/2015 7:09 pm
Adam Schefter & #8207;@AdamSchefter 4m
ESPN obtained medical charts that show Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul had right index finger amputated today.
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NFLNetwork said the whole finger,  
Shepherdsam : 7/8/2015 7:39 pm : link
saying that a partial removal would have taken much longer to heal.
RE: Is ESPN off the hook legally speaking  
Devon : 7/8/2015 7:39 pm : link
In comment 12362629 BlackLight said:
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if they obtained the medical chart legally - didn't steal it?


It sounds like ESPN and even the hospital aren't likely in that deep of trouble re: JPP's info being released, thanks to the NFLPA being the NFL's bitches.

The issue that some on Twitter are now bringing up is that another patient's info is visible on the document and that individual didn't have their rights under the HIPAA all but taken away by a CBA.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is not quite career ending, but it does adversely affect him  
Kulish29 : 7/8/2015 7:41 pm : link
In comment 12362627 Lithium said:
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In comment 12362609 Kulish29 said:


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In comment 12362601 David in LA said:


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In comment 12362581 Lithium said:


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In comment 12362571 David in LA said:


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Lithium has a boner out for this guy.



Correct. He's a fucking moron.



As are you. You seriously need to GTFOH. You're posts have been nothing but useless noise.



He got his wish, JPP lost a body part.
Is this real
Fish : 8:46 pm : link : reply
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=1bf_1436201220
Pathetic fuck.



Lesson learned. Moronic behavior could lead to amputation.


I bet you're real disappointed it wast worse, huh? Like the hand or whole arm you were originally hoping for?

Like I said before, you're a pathetic fuck.
Part of me thinks  
BlackLight : 7/8/2015 7:41 pm : link
that ESPN wouldn't have actually showed his medical chart if there was potential liability in doing so. They'd just report what was on it.
what a freaking mess  
jawebb20 : 7/8/2015 7:42 pm : link
fireworks are dangerous

only sparklers from now on imo.


i dont think his career is over, but he cost himself tens of millions no doubt.
RE: the  
BillKo : 7/8/2015 7:42 pm : link
In comment 12362597 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants are the most successful cursed franchise in sports.



LOL....ok.
What kind of piece of shit celebrates this?  
David in LA : 7/8/2015 7:44 pm : link
Lithium is a special type of shitbag.
Pull the franchise tag offer  
giantsfan227B : 7/8/2015 7:44 pm : link
let him become a free agent. The Giants don't need another Plaxico. Remember, this is a guy that came to camp one season out of shape and also had back surgery. He was effective vs lousy teams like Jacksonville but disappeared vs Top talent. Why would we want to pay this guy more than 14M for a season?

I don't feel bad for this guy one bit. If you are so stupid with millions of dollars sitting at the end of your pen to be blowing fireworks up before using that pen, you deserve to end or seriously jeopardize your career. MORON.
also  
jawebb20 : 7/8/2015 7:45 pm : link
we 1000% shouldve known it was bad the moment so little information was available.

if he only had burns and flesh JPP and his agent wouldve been way out in front of the dilemma.

Putting the finger issue aside for the moment  
speedywheels : 7/8/2015 7:45 pm : link
that report also mentions skin grafts - I'm no doctor, but doesn't that take, like, months and months to heal?

And how can one properly weight train with one less digit?
RE: NFLNetwork said the whole finger,  
illmatic : 7/8/2015 7:46 pm : link
In comment 12362647 Shepherdsam said:
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saying that a partial removal would have taken much longer to heal.


Is that picture posted earlier real? If it was that or even anything close to it then yeah, I can see why that whole finger would be amputated rather than just a portion. Looks like all that's left in that picture is bone. The middle finger looked similar too. At least I think that's the middle finger and not the ring finger. The whole hand minus the thumb is mangled.
Is it possible that the skin graft  
Torn Tendon : 7/8/2015 7:46 pm : link
came from his right arm and placed on the hand?
This does NOT mean he cannot play..  
EricJ : 7/8/2015 7:46 pm : link
glad someone else mentioned Ronnie Lott. He ELECTED to have his finger amputated. It was not even 100% necessary. He played a position where he needed to actually catch the ball too.

Jim Abbott pitched a no hitter with one arm. Lots of successful athletes who have a handicap.

This is minor.
If it's only 1 finger  
KWALL2 : 7/8/2015 7:46 pm : link
he'll be OK. He's got 11" hands. He'll be able to play at a high level with 4 fingers on one hand.
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I am Ninja : 7/8/2015 7:46 pm : link
Why dont you armchair lawyers and other jerkoffs go do some fucking research on what a covered entity is before you spew your bullshit about what this has "written all over it"
Yep, no big deal.  
bceagle05 : 7/8/2015 7:49 pm : link
I'm sure guys will volunteer to have fingers removed after JPP gets 20 sacks this season. It'll be football's Tommy John surgery.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/8/2015 7:49 pm : link
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 3m3 minutes ago

Per sources, there were a few options discussed to attempt to save JPP's finger. Amputation was deemed to have the fewest complications.
RE: This does NOT mean he cannot play..  
speedywheels : 7/8/2015 7:49 pm : link
In comment 12362663 EricJ said:
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This is minor.


Minor? LOL...
The whole finger...  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/8/2015 7:50 pm : link
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Pierre-Paul's medical records show he underwent a "ray resection," leaving his finger amputated down to his knuckle.
Is it good? No.  
KWALL2 : 7/8/2015 7:50 pm : link
Can he still play at a high level? Absolutely. If its only one finger he'll be fine.
It's a serious injury no doubt  
Torrag : 7/8/2015 7:50 pm : link
But people adapt to things very well. In time I think he can overcome the impact of losing that finger. How long it will take I don't know. How bad are the burns and extensive the grafts will have a major impact on his recovery timetable.

I seriously doubt the Giants have a clue what they are going to do yet. Until they get solid medical information how can they.
So after the surgery  
Bill L : 7/8/2015 7:52 pm : link
Do you think he'll give anyone the finger?
I cannot fathom  
jawebb20 : 7/8/2015 7:52 pm : link
How people can say this is "ok"

a 5% difference in ability is basically the difference between a guy like adrian tracy and Osi.

This could legitimately turn JPP from a borderline pro-bowl player to an average player.
Fucking hell  
Go Terps : 7/8/2015 7:52 pm : link
That really sucks.
RE: This does NOT mean he cannot play..  
speedywheels : 7/8/2015 7:52 pm : link
In comment 12362663 EricJ said:
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glad someone else mentioned Ronnie Lott. He ELECTED to have his finger amputated. It was not even 100% necessary. He played a position where he needed to actually catch the ball too.

Jim Abbott pitched a no hitter with one arm. Lots of successful athletes who have a handicap.

This is minor.


He was also a safety, not a DL who constantly uses his hands, grabs the jerseys of OL, etc. Nevermind the fact he had the tip of his pinky amputated, not his entire index finger...
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christian : 7/8/2015 7:53 pm : link
The guy was clearly seriously hurt, and this seems to confirm it. He is facing a tremendous and terrifying situation, and the cause aside, I expect the organization to be methodical, respectful and smart about how this plays out.

He's a very good football player and should have a good chance to continue to be a good football player. The timing is very, very bad for the Giants. What they cannot do is exacerbate this very bad situation by doing something rash. No doubt he's made a terrible mistake and put the team in a bad bind.
RE: I cannot fathom  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/8/2015 7:53 pm : link
In comment 12362684 jawebb20 said:
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How people can say this is "ok"

a 5% difference in ability is basically the difference between a guy like adrian tracy and Osi.

This could legitimately turn JPP from a borderline pro-bowl player to an average player.


People are lost. That's all.
RE: So after the surgery  
MookGiants : 7/8/2015 7:55 pm : link
In comment 12362683 Bill L said:
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Do you think he'll give anyone the finger?


Ha ha ha ha ha
Nobody can say anything definite right now  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/8/2015 7:57 pm : link
How about that.
RE: ____________  
Padiwan15 : 7/8/2015 7:57 pm : link
In comment 12362665 I am Ninja said:
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Why dont you armchair lawyers and other jerkoffs go do some fucking research on what a covered entity is before you spew your bullshit about what this has "written all over it"


Hilarious. Exactly! I practice labor and employment law which sometimes requires me to look at hipaa, and I'm loving some of the comments about who is clearly sueing who... A simple Google of hipaa and who is covered....
Interesting article by a hand surgeon about the index finger  
Remdad : 7/8/2015 7:57 pm : link
From 1980, reprinted in 2010

Not entirely relevant to this particular situation, but not entirely irrelevant either ....
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Ronnie Lot had his pinky finger removed,  
giantgiantfan : 7/8/2015 8:00 pm : link
index has got to be the most important finger behind the thumb. It's like Riker to Piccard, yah know?

Yeah, he will figure out how to play  
SomeFan : 7/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
Stop with the histrionics, he isn't dying and will still play
If i didnt laugh I would cry  
MookGiants : 7/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
RE: Yeah, he will figure out how to play  
giantgiantfan : 7/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
In comment 12362702 SomeFan said:
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Stop with the histrionics, he isn't dying and will still play


He'll definitely finger this out.
Eric should say so long  
Carl in CT : 7/8/2015 8:01 pm : link
To half you assholes!
This may be a stupid question.  
Don in DC : 7/8/2015 8:02 pm : link
And I do not mean it in a flippant or sarcastic way, but does anyone know if JPP is right handed or left handed?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/8/2015 8:02 pm : link
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He refused to meet with team personnel who made the trip to Miami, sources confirmed to The Post, and JPP reportedly refused the teams offer to set him up with hand specialists in Manhattan.

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I Feel Really Sorry This Happened To Anyone  
Trainmaster : 7/8/2015 8:03 pm : link
especially a Giant that helped us win a Super Bowl, so my thoughts and prayers are with him. While we're all disappointed as Giants fans, mocking or insulting him does no good IMHO.

He took a high risk on something that had little reward (it's not like he was injured saving someone from a burning building) and he only has himself to blame for that.

While it may be unlikely, there's a chance he emerges from this as a more mature and dedicated person. What happened to him is done; how he reacts and goes forward is his choice.

The Giants should react based on if / how this even has changed him, both negatively (the amputation and other physical complications) and positively (big if).
Broken Hands  
Archer : 7/8/2015 8:03 pm : link
What is the difference between a missing finger and playing with broken fingers?
I played two seasons with multiple broken fingers.
My hands were wrapped so that my fingers were taped together.
Most defensive linemen play with broken fingers. It is customary to get stomped on while you are on the ground.
Football cleats are unforgiving.
RE: This may be a stupid question.  
sundayatone : 7/8/2015 8:04 pm : link
In comment 12362707 Don in DC said:
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And I do not mean it in a flippant or sarcastic way, but does anyone know if JPP is right handed or left handed?



david diehl said on sirius the morning that he is a lefty.
RE: I Feel Really Sorry This Happened To Anyone  
MookGiants : 7/8/2015 8:05 pm : link
In comment 12362709 Trainmaster said:

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He took a high risk on something that had little reward (it's not like he was injured saving someone from a burning building) and he only has himself to blame for that.


He did save a child, didn't he? I read it on bbi

Generally, HIPAA protects a patient's confidential medical information  
RDJR : 7/8/2015 8:05 pm : link
from being disclosed to a third party by a medical provider, health plan or health clearinghouse without the patient's consent. Clearly ESPN is not his medical provider or health plan.
You Guys Who Are Mocking Him  
Trainmaster : 7/8/2015 8:05 pm : link
and making jokes about this event are really classless IMHO. This guy may have made some poor choices, but he is / was a NY Giant; once a Giant, always a Giant.
the plan for JPP obviously  
jawebb20 : 7/8/2015 8:06 pm : link
was to never say anything to the Giants until zero-day on the franchise tag signing. Either the Giants rescind and make him a free agent, or they shovel 15m to him without knowing his condition.


That had to be the plan before this leak.
RE: RE: This may be a stupid question.  
Don in DC : 7/8/2015 8:06 pm : link
In comment 12362712 sundayatone said:
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In comment 12362707 Don in DC said:


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And I do not mean it in a flippant or sarcastic way, but does anyone know if JPP is right handed or left handed?




david diehl said on sirius the morning that he is a lefty.


That's great to hear. Losing a finger on your off hand is much less devastating than on your dominant hand.
RE: Generally, HIPAA protects a patient's confidential medical information  
MookGiants : 7/8/2015 8:06 pm : link
In comment 12362715 RDJR said:
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from being disclosed to a third party by a medical provider, health plan or health clearinghouse without the patient's consent. Clearly ESPN is not his medical provider or health plan.


ESPN can still be liable if they had reason to believe the information was obtained illegally.
Archer,  
Shepherdsam : 7/8/2015 8:07 pm : link
for one thing, he won't be needing as much tape.
RE: the plan for JPP obviously  
MookGiants : 7/8/2015 8:07 pm : link
In comment 12362717 jawebb20 said:
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was to never say anything to the Giants until zero-day on the franchise tag signing. Either the Giants rescind and make him a free agent, or they shovel 15m to him without knowing his condition.


That had to be the plan before this leak.


If he can't play they dont owe him 15 million even if he signs the tender. If he's on NFI list he doesnt get paid. If he doesn't sign the tender and signs it mid-season he doesn't get paid for the time he missed
RE: Stop with 'the Giants are cursed' nonsense  
Big Blue '56 : 7/8/2015 8:08 pm : link
In comment 12362646 Torrag said:
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We have four Lombardi Trophies and are one of the most storied sports franchises in the world.

If you use poor judgement it carries consequences. When you associate yourself with people of poor judgement it will have a negative impact on you.

This is why so many of us value character and intelligence in the young men the Giants bring into the organization. Far too often disregarding those tenets results in serious damage to the teams competitive results and public perception.


Torrag, in fairness to Eric, he said most SUCCESSFUL cursed franchise
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