If Rappoport has a good source and can be trusted, no reason to doubt when he says the reason JPP wasn't contacting the team was because he was busy having major surgery that included a graft, pins and again getting his fucking finger cut off. That he was stonewalling is a pretty dorky outlook considering the week the dude had.
at the college level and i cannot fathom not having an index finger. Besides the thumb it would be the worst finger to lose entirely. The damage done to your pinky, ring finger, and middle finger on both hands is already substantial. What do you do to compensate for that lack of feel on an opposing shoulder, breastplate, elbow or wrist?
How do you grasp a jersey or plate on engagement and how do you compensate for the lack of ability on one hand?
How can you have effective gap responsibility knowing one of your hands is completely mangled? Do you start cheating on an inside or outside shoulder because you're concerned about the hand? Holy shit. I cannot imagine.
That's going to take time. And balls. And thousands of reps to get used to.
This is NOT Ronnie Lott folks. Lott played in space, picked his spots and for the most part attacked offensive players.
We're talking about a guy who is engaged with the offensive line every single play and his hands - along with his feet and vision - are the most important tools he has.
That said, I don't know that modern tools doctors, training staffs and teams can deploy to minimize this issue. Maybe there's a retrofitted glove or cast or brace or something we haven't thought of to minimize this problem for JPP. No idea.
All I know is that, when I envision myself on the DL with no index finger and undoubtedly other injuries to my hands...fuckin hell. Sounds like a nightmare.
So, his agent couldn't tell the Giants that he was having his finger
at the college level and i cannot fathom not having an index finger. Besides the thumb it would be the worst finger to lose entirely. The damage done to your pinky, ring finger, and middle finger on both hands is already substantial. What do you do to compensate for that lack of feel on an opposing shoulder, breastplate, elbow or wrist?
How do you grasp a jersey or plate on engagement and how do you compensate for the lack of ability on one hand?
How can you have effective gap responsibility knowing one of your hands is completely mangled? Do you start cheating on an inside or outside shoulder because you're concerned about the hand? Holy shit. I cannot imagine.
That's going to take time. And balls. And thousands of reps to get used to.
This is NOT Ronnie Lott folks. Lott played in space, picked his spots and for the most part attacked offensive players.
We're talking about a guy who is engaged with the offensive line every single play and his hands - along with his feet and vision - are the most important tools he has.
That said, I don't know that modern tools doctors, training staffs and teams can deploy to minimize this issue. Maybe there's a retrofitted glove or cast or brace or something we haven't thought of to minimize this problem for JPP. No idea.
All I know is that, when I envision myself on the DL with no index finger and undoubtedly other injuries to my hands...fuckin hell. Sounds like a nightmare.
great post B thanks for the insight. Wonder if there are any nfl rules about customized gloves or braces??
What this means is that the knuckle is removed as well as the whole finger. The purpose is to remove the "gap" that would be left if the knuckle remained.
This is what JPP's hand would look like:
I think he can remain a very productive football player.
if he can't play we don't pay him and who are we going to spend that salary on this year anyway? It's a 1 year deal with pretty much no downside at this point. We already missed out on the big FAs, might as well ride it out and hope he's ready to play.
The salary cap space can be rolled over to next year, which would be a big help with Eli's extension.
Ahh, didn't know that, thought it was use it or lose it.
i disagree with your statement. When you grasp a shoulder, plate, jersey or even an elbow the opposing player is moving constantly. Without that extra digit the pressure to the outside of the hand - namely the pinky and ringfinger - is magnified exponentially.
He might be better off playing with a "mitten" or some sort of protective glove that protects his other fingers and limits how he compensates for what he lacks.
It might not be a big deal in the end - but I just know how I played ball and my hands were everything.
And if you could see them today you'd see they are ruined pretty good. Every finger but my left index, right ring, and left thumb has been broken.
i disagree with your statement. When you grasp a shoulder, plate, jersey or even an elbow the opposing player is moving constantly. Without that extra digit the pressure to the outside of the hand - namely the pinky and ringfinger - is magnified exponentially.
He might be better off playing with a "mitten" or some sort of protective glove that protects his other fingers and limits how he compensates for what he lacks.
It might not be a big deal in the end - but I just know how I played ball and my hands were everything.
And if you could see them today you'd see they are ruined pretty good. Every finger but my left index, right ring, and left thumb has been broken.
B in ALB - I did not play the game and value your opinion highly because you did. I live in 'Cuse and enjoyed watching you play. The purpose of my post was to point out (pun intended) that the resection is designed to make the hand "whole" again and not feel like a digit is missing. Certainly it helps with fine motor skills like writing and working with small objects. I would trust your judgement on how it would impact his ability to get around an offensive lineman. I believe he will be able to work out, lift weights and do everything required to play. Let's see how it impacts his ability to play.
I'm telling you right now - he might as well have his right pinky removed while he's in the hospital. That thing will be broken at a 90 degree angle during his first snap and it's only going to get worse.
Plus. Let's not forget that he's on the right side and his right arm is his lever.
His rip inside, the shoot with an arm over, and his speed rush outside all dictates manipulation with his right hand. Not to mention his bar and arm over on the outside, the bull rush and the push/pull either side.
I can't imagine losing an entire finger, especially on my dominant hand. Jesus this creeps me out just thinking about it. I don't see how he can be 100% of the player he was. Mentally and physically it seems like a mountain to climb. I don't doubt eventually he'll get back to a pretty normal life and perform most tasks pretty well, if not a little clumsily, but that precise feeling your fingers provide can't be compensated for. I would assume his gripping, tossing, shedding abilities would be hampered as well. The kid made a mistake and he paid for it, may it be a lesson to all.
I hear you. He's going to have to use modern science and outfitting to make it work. The toughest game he'll play is with his mind. That's going to take time and effort and trust.
If he really lost his index finger - along with the other injuries being speculated - I would be very surprised if he ever comes close to his pinnacle years ago.
Certainly not worth a $15M/yr investment by the Giants.
This kid - unfortunately just cost himself a ton of money and bought a ton of stress and insecurity.
was to never say anything to the Giants until zero-day on the franchise tag signing. Either the Giants rescind and make him a free agent, or they shovel 15m to him without knowing his condition.
That had to be the plan before this leak.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 2h2 hours ago
Medical fact: Index finger is least important for power grip.
If this is JPP only injury, he will do fine in NFL.
Wish him the best.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 58m58 minutes ago
Split thickness skin graft for JPP is actually good news. Less severe than if other types or flap skin procedures. Best recovery/healing.
if this is true. JPP may lose out on a NYG contract, but he can sue ESPN, the hospital and the employee who leaked this info. I hope it was worth it to the employee who leaked it, cause they just lost their job. what a fucking amazing HIPAA violation if this is true.
Also, it doesnt say how much of the finger will be amputated or resectioned.
Honestly, I have a brother in law that lost his index finger from a
wrongly calibrated soda bottle injection mold machine.
The Problem JPP is going to have is seeing if the skin graft actually takes. The graft skin and surface area of the bone can break open and cause serious infection because its not a natural attachment of conformity to the body..meaning bone and skin around index area is being moved around to compensate which can have a tremendous adverse affect on healing part.
After Skin graft it really takes a year to know if Graft really works Otherwise, he will be in position with a never ending unhealing wound and this leads to bone dying around the hand and could lead to further amputation <this us what happened to my brother in law..he lost his thumb. but now it seems after second graft and a year later the graft is fine
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 2h2 hours ago
Medical fact: Index finger is least important for power grip.
If this is JPP only injury, he will do fine in NFL.
Wish him the best.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 2h2 hours ago
Medical fact: Index finger is least important for power grip.
If this is JPP only injury, he will do fine in NFL.
Wish him the best.
interesting but how bad is the rest of his hand?
That seems to be the more important thing right now..
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 2h2 hours ago
If index finger amputation only injury, JPP @giants will have full recovery & play. Worry is what else injured, blast rarely contained.
RE: Honestly, I have a brother in law that lost his index finger from a
In comment 12363007 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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wrongly calibrated soda bottle injection mold machine.
The Problem JPP is going to have is seeing if the skin graft actually takes. The graft skin and surface area of the bone can break open and cause serious infection because its not a natural attachment of conformity to the body..meaning bone and skin around index area is being moved around to compensate which can have a tremendous adverse affect on healing part.
After Skin graft it really takes a year to know if Graft really works Otherwise, he will be in position with a never ending unhealing wound and this leads to bone dying around the hand and could lead to further amputation <this us what happened to my brother in law..he lost his thumb. but now it seems after second graft and a year later the graft is fine
if this is true. JPP may lose out on a NYG contract, but he can sue ESPN, the hospital and the employee who leaked this info. I hope it was worth it to the employee who leaked it, cause they just lost their job. what a fucking amazing HIPAA violation if this is true.
Also, it doesnt say how much of the finger will be amputated or resectioned.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 2h2 hours ago
If a medical provider leaked JPP medical information, that's a big HIPAA violation. Media like @AdamSchefter are not subject to those laws.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 1h1 hour ago
HIPAA laws targeted at initial leak of info (healthcare workers, hospitals, insurances) not at media or others that repeat information.
like some sort of graft will happen. In any event, The healing process is key and that area will be tender for about year. JPP should not exercise until that area is completely healed with no bruising marks. One infection in this process would be devastating for him..I don't think rushing him back in two months is the correct timetable
amputate, Like I said last night, some of the best Burn centers are in the Northeast, instead of paying for 60k stripper parties, JPP could have gotten a Medvac to Hospital for Special Surgery or Saint Barnabus Burn Center in Livingston, NJ and get real expert advice before making a snap decision to amputate his finger because a quack in Florida gave him that option right away. JPP really got some bad advice here IMO. And I agree..there will be a psychological impact that is going to affect him
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 39s40 seconds ago
RT @NYDNSports: Source: Info on JPP's condition may have been released from his camp http://nydn.us/1MgrgAZ
Has any media source had to pay a price for running with information
I mean, this is Disney we're talking about. They pay lawyers fortunes just to stand around on call in case they might be needed.
I would bet that once they got the information, there were a few phone calls made to a few offices to be sure they weren't going to get sued for millions.
JPP really fucked up here..with breaks in the thumb
"For evil flourished everywhere and lay on the land like a festering malignancy. There was one hope though, in a distant land, the noble Aragorn, heir to empty throne on Gondor awaited the small band to return and become king. But he could not triumph until the ring was destroyed, so went the prophecy."
that no one addressed, but how will this impact his ability to lift? As someone who has lifted weights somewhat seriously at points in my life a lot of compound lifts like deadlifts, rows, etc require grip strength to lift heavy weights. Losing a finger certainly won't help
it sucks for JPP and sucks for the Giants. But you know what? A lot goes wrong for these guys during the offseason...at least he didn't get suspended for breaking the law or being an a**hole.
is a problem but I disagree with B in Alb about this finger vs the outside pinky and ring fingers. You get more strength on your grip from these fingers.
It will be a big adjustment to shed blocks but if everything else is working he should be fine.
I'm sure this is what the doctors told him too which led to the decision. If he gets on a field and performs this season he'll get a big payday. I'm sure that was the biggest factor with the decision.
Football player removes glove and notices his middle finger has gone missing
Players are tough, no doubt about it.
How do you grasp a jersey or plate on engagement and how do you compensate for the lack of ability on one hand?
How can you have effective gap responsibility knowing one of your hands is completely mangled? Do you start cheating on an inside or outside shoulder because you're concerned about the hand? Holy shit. I cannot imagine.
That's going to take time. And balls. And thousands of reps to get used to.
This is NOT Ronnie Lott folks. Lott played in space, picked his spots and for the most part attacked offensive players.
We're talking about a guy who is engaged with the offensive line every single play and his hands - along with his feet and vision - are the most important tools he has.
That said, I don't know that modern tools doctors, training staffs and teams can deploy to minimize this issue. Maybe there's a retrofitted glove or cast or brace or something we haven't thought of to minimize this problem for JPP. No idea.
All I know is that, when I envision myself on the DL with no index finger and undoubtedly other injuries to my hands...fuckin hell. Sounds like a nightmare.
I can't wait to hear the official press and team statements when they come out.
As of right now, I'm planning the season without JPP and that is a shame.
How do you grasp a jersey or plate on engagement and how do you compensate for the lack of ability on one hand?
How can you have effective gap responsibility knowing one of your hands is completely mangled? Do you start cheating on an inside or outside shoulder because you're concerned about the hand? Holy shit. I cannot imagine.
That's going to take time. And balls. And thousands of reps to get used to.
This is NOT Ronnie Lott folks. Lott played in space, picked his spots and for the most part attacked offensive players.
We're talking about a guy who is engaged with the offensive line every single play and his hands - along with his feet and vision - are the most important tools he has.
That said, I don't know that modern tools doctors, training staffs and teams can deploy to minimize this issue. Maybe there's a retrofitted glove or cast or brace or something we haven't thought of to minimize this problem for JPP. No idea.
All I know is that, when I envision myself on the DL with no index finger and undoubtedly other injuries to my hands...fuckin hell. Sounds like a nightmare.
I don't see why somebody would consent to making that info public.
This is what JPP's hand would look like:
I think he can remain a very productive football player.
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if he can't play we don't pay him and who are we going to spend that salary on this year anyway? It's a 1 year deal with pretty much no downside at this point. We already missed out on the big FAs, might as well ride it out and hope he's ready to play.
The salary cap space can be rolled over to next year, which would be a big help with Eli's extension.
Ahh, didn't know that, thought it was use it or lose it.
He might be better off playing with a "mitten" or some sort of protective glove that protects his other fingers and limits how he compensates for what he lacks.
It might not be a big deal in the end - but I just know how I played ball and my hands were everything.
And if you could see them today you'd see they are ruined pretty good. Every finger but my left index, right ring, and left thumb has been broken.
Also anyone ever get a load of what Strahans fingers look like. He would probably have been better off if a few of those things were amputated.
He might be better off playing with a "mitten" or some sort of protective glove that protects his other fingers and limits how he compensates for what he lacks.
It might not be a big deal in the end - but I just know how I played ball and my hands were everything.
And if you could see them today you'd see they are ruined pretty good. Every finger but my left index, right ring, and left thumb has been broken.
B in ALB - I did not play the game and value your opinion highly because you did. I live in 'Cuse and enjoyed watching you play. The purpose of my post was to point out (pun intended) that the resection is designed to make the hand "whole" again and not feel like a digit is missing. Certainly it helps with fine motor skills like writing and working with small objects. I would trust your judgement on how it would impact his ability to get around an offensive lineman. I believe he will be able to work out, lift weights and do everything required to play. Let's see how it impacts his ability to play.
Plus. Let's not forget that he's on the right side and his right arm is his lever.
His rip inside, the shoot with an arm over, and his speed rush outside all dictates manipulation with his right hand. Not to mention his bar and arm over on the outside, the bull rush and the push/pull either side.
Fuck.
If he really lost his index finger - along with the other injuries being speculated - I would be very surprised if he ever comes close to his pinnacle years ago.
Certainly not worth a $15M/yr investment by the Giants.
This kid - unfortunately just cost himself a ton of money and bought a ton of stress and insecurity.
In comment 12362717 jawebb20 said:
That had to be the plan before this leak.
Medical fact: Index finger is least important for power grip.
If this is JPP only injury, he will do fine in NFL.
Wish him the best.
It doesn't matter as your stance - three point inside/outside, two point or four point - should be dictated by formation, scheme and ability.
All this said - maybe this dictates a move inside or as the Bingos on a 3-4 on another team.
JPPs career isn't done. I just think it's done with the Giants.
Split thickness skin graft for JPP is actually good news. Less severe than if other types or flap skin procedures. Best recovery/healing.
Also, it doesnt say how much of the finger will be amputated or resectioned.
The Problem JPP is going to have is seeing if the skin graft actually takes. The graft skin and surface area of the bone can break open and cause serious infection because its not a natural attachment of conformity to the body..meaning bone and skin around index area is being moved around to compensate which can have a tremendous adverse affect on healing part.
After Skin graft it really takes a year to know if Graft really works Otherwise, he will be in position with a never ending unhealing wound and this leads to bone dying around the hand and could lead to further amputation <this us what happened to my brother in law..he lost his thumb. but now it seems after second graft and a year later the graft is fine
Medical fact: Index finger is least important for power grip.
If this is JPP only injury, he will do fine in NFL.
Wish him the best.
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David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 2h2 hours ago
Medical fact: Index finger is least important for power grip.
If this is JPP only injury, he will do fine in NFL.
Wish him the best.
interesting but how bad is the rest of his hand?
That seems to be the more important thing right now..
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 2h2 hours ago
If index finger amputation only injury, JPP @giants will have full recovery & play. Worry is what else injured, blast rarely contained.
The Problem JPP is going to have is seeing if the skin graft actually takes. The graft skin and surface area of the bone can break open and cause serious infection because its not a natural attachment of conformity to the body..meaning bone and skin around index area is being moved around to compensate which can have a tremendous adverse affect on healing part.
After Skin graft it really takes a year to know if Graft really works Otherwise, he will be in position with a never ending unhealing wound and this leads to bone dying around the hand and could lead to further amputation <this us what happened to my brother in law..he lost his thumb. but now it seems after second graft and a year later the graft is fine
Also, it doesnt say how much of the finger will be amputated or resectioned.
It was the entire finger.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 2h2 hours ago
If a medical provider leaked JPP medical information, that's a big HIPAA violation. Media like @AdamSchefter are not subject to those laws.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc 1h1 hour ago
HIPAA laws targeted at initial leak of info (healthcare workers, hospitals, insurances) not at media or others that repeat information.
Ed Werder @Edwerderespn 27m27 minutes ago
JPP has undergone numerous surgeries and expected to remain in hospital another 2-3 days.
Ed Werder @Edwerderespn 28m28 minutes ago
In addition to right index finger amputation as @AdamSchefter reported, I'm told JPP has right thumb fractures. Should heal in 6 weeks
If ESPN had any reason to believe that the info was obtained illegally, they would likely be liable.
RT @NYDNSports: Source: Info on JPP's condition may have been released from his camp http://nydn.us/1MgrgAZ
I mean, this is Disney we're talking about. They pay lawyers fortunes just to stand around on call in case they might be needed.
I would bet that once they got the information, there were a few phone calls made to a few offices to be sure they weren't going to get sued for millions.
That would be worse.
It will be a big adjustment to shed blocks but if everything else is working he should be fine.
I'm sure this is what the doctors told him too which led to the decision. If he gets on a field and performs this season he'll get a big payday. I'm sure that was the biggest factor with the decision.