She was on with Mark Melusis subbing for Boomer & Carton. Here's what she reported as they started the show:
• As already stated: the amputation was done as the fastest way for him to recover and get back on the field
• Her sources say that his agent claimed not to be using the injury to force the Giants into pulling the franchise tag so that JPP could become an immediate free agent and sign to play for someone else: ”He wants to play for the Giants”
• Kim asked and her source seemed to confirm that the Giants would be willing to pay JPP all of the $14M under the tender and not put him on NFI to dock his pay IF he would report for camp and heal while attending meetings and learned Spags system. This would allow him to be mentally ready for whenever he is physically able to play
I like Kim. Don't know how strong her sources are on this. It's at least a more positive spin
Do you think the Cowboys, Redskins or Eagles would do this or would be finding ways to save themselves a some money?
Yeah. Me neither.
Sorry - there's no optimism here. If we get effective play out of him for the second half of the season, we'll be lucky.
What a shame. What a waste.
Still pissed off. In my years I've seen HUNDREDS of reckless episodes with fireworks. Nobody ever went to the hospital, never mind losing body parts.
Giants really are cursed.
Key point though: the decision to amputate was JPPs idea of a speedier recovery, not the Giants. And we still don't know what if any skin grafting was done.
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I was thinking this also. Even if he's healed after two months, he would have gone two months without lifting weights. How long would it take him to get his strength back once he is able to start lifting?
I'll repeat what I said on another thread: if JJ Watt (a better player than JPP) suffered this exact injury at this exact time, would you want the Giants to sign him to a 1 year, $15 million deal?
No way. It's a horrendous allocation of cap space that can be rolled over into 2016.
Even if JPP really wants to stay with the Giants, there is zero reason the Giants should want him or care where he goes once he's healthy enough to play.
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the Giants would be willing to pay JPP all of the $14M under the tender and not put him on NFI to dock his pay
Do you think the Cowboys, Redskins or Eagles would do this or would be finding ways to save themselves a some money?
I need no additional evidence to know what a great class organization the Giants are, however, I disagree with this decision if it is indeed what they want to do. I want the team to move on because I don't think JPP will ever be worth the 14 million again. Certainly not in 2015 but also not in 16, 17, or 18. He's not dedicated to his craft enough to work as hard as he's going to need to work to overcome these new disabilities he will be dealing with. Just my opinion and it could be wrong but it is how I feel.
Hopefully her info is at least legit, though. It usually is.
Agreed.
Career threatening or not, safe to say his 2015/16 season is going to be effected.
Now what?
would any team be dumb enough to pay him 15 million a year ?
Kim works for NFL network and has better sources than most
I'll repeat what I said on another thread: if JJ Watt (a better player than JPP) suffered this exact injury at this exact time, would you want the Giants to sign him to a 1 year, $15 million deal?
No way. It's a horrendous allocation of cap space that can be rolled over into 2016.
Even if JPP really wants to stay with the Giants, there is zero reason the Giants should want him or care where he goes once he's healthy enough to play.
It's a tough call b/c, as you know, you don't want his ability to come back and bite the Giants. Pencil him in down in Dallas with Hardy across from him. Are you/we ready for that?
Logically, yeah, you're probably correct. It's a miserable allocation of cap space which would be better suited for next year and the guy likely won't have much of an impact.
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the Giants would be willing to pay JPP all of the $14M under the tender and not put him on NFI to dock his pay
Do you think the Cowboys, Redskins or Eagles would do this or would be finding ways to save themselves a some money?
He's not dedicated to his craft enough to work as hard as he's going to need to work to overcome these new disabilities he will be dealing with. Just my opinion and it could be wrong but it is how I feel. [/quote]
Prior to this wasn't he working out and losing weight to get back to being lighter and faster? On what evidence do you come up with the premise that he won't work hard to get back on the field?
The question is how will the effect his tackling etc
You can still pay him some serious ka-ching for that half year we're likely to get out of him. 15 mil is a lot of dough.
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I wouldn't expect NYG to withhold half his pay even if he's out half the season. They can use the alienation to bolster their advantage if they need to, but I'd wager they'll treat him well regardless.
He had surgery the start of this week - 10 weeks until week 1
His thumb heals by week of 8/10 - that gives 4 full weeks after that
I guess I am more optimistic
You also get the sense that as usual, the Giants are genuinely concerned about the health and well being of the player, far more than many of the fans here who were making leaps to conspiracy theories about contract posturing while the guy was having his finger cut off.
Every season in the NFL is "win now" due to parity. If Kim Jones is right, she's saying that the Giants would rather pay the $14 million for JPP with 9 fingers than not use their cap space at all and lose one of their best players on the team.
You can still pay him some serious ka-ching for that half year we're likely to get out of him. 15 mil is a lot of dough.
To be honest, I don't really have an issue paying him a lump sum in one year. He's most likely gone after this season, and the Giants have arranged their cap in such a way that they can afford to do this without letting any of their other players walk out the door. They aren't losing the ability to keep a guy they want to keep, and there are no long-term ramifications to this. If he walks after 2015, then to me, it just means Prince has a better chance of staying with the team long term.
Truth is, if she were less ethical, she would have more sizzle and a more avid fan base. Instead, she sits on stories that other writers would run. I remember discussing this dilemma with her 10-12 years ago. The direction the industry was going really ate at her.
As fans, we kind of want it both ways: instant information, impeccably sourced. In general, I think you can get one out of two.
You can still pay him some serious ka-ching for that half year we're likely to get out of him. 15 mil is a lot of dough.
I'm with you..I believe it would be a mistake..He's gone after this year imo, why reward him now for unknown production?
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but 15 mil is a hell of a lot of taking care of a guy who probably would be gone to the highest bidder in a heartbeat. He was ready to walk if the Tag wasn't applied. You think he's going to remember this next year when FA rolls around?
You can still pay him some serious ka-ching for that half year we're likely to get out of him. 15 mil is a lot of dough.
I'm with you..I believe it would be a mistake..He's gone after this year imo, why reward him now for unknown production?
It's a calculated risk. He's playing for his next contract. You hope to reap the benefits of his effort. It's a lot of money, but it's not really any kind of commitment.
You can still pay him some serious ka-ching for that half year we're likely to get out of him. 15 mil is a lot of dough.
Even if he does remember it, why would we even want him back in 2016?
If all is harmonious and JPP says sign me now, I'll do whatever it takes to make this right, and Giants say do what it takes and we'll pay you, I can see maybe paying him a full shot. better would be for both sides to make some concessions on pay.
If JPP continues to block out Giants med staff, and holds off on signing the tender so he can 'set his own timetable for return', missing team meetings and learning opportunities, I wouldn't feel bad at all about the Giants playing hardball in return.
Kim Jones reports that the Giants are willing to do their part. Now it's up to JPP to step up to the plate. If he wants to hold out til the end of preseason, he's likely to be useless for most of the season, and likely to be gone after the year. At that point, I'd yank the tag and say sayonara. No real reason to take care of anyone who wants it all.
The Giants better be contacting every hand specialist they know and don't know to find out as much as they can about the recovery process.
She is a great reporter but listening to her radio show is cringe worthy. She embarrasses herself.
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i didn't worry about the risks...
but now i'm older
with a family
now I need to
Fucking annoys the shit out of me every time.
He isn't automatically washed up.
or it might be the exact opposite of what I just wrote.
I don't think it's worth a 15 mil gamble, but then I don't know any of the inner workings. The Giants obviously thought he was worth 15 mil for the year on July 3rd, when you and I didn't.
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I'll repeat what I said on another thread: if JJ Watt (a better player than JPP) suffered this exact injury at this exact time, would you want the Giants to sign him to a 1 year, $15 million deal?
No way. It's a horrendous allocation of cap space that can be rolled over into 2016.
Even if JPP really wants to stay with the Giants, there is zero reason the Giants should want him or care where he goes once he's healthy enough to play.
It's a tough call b/c, as you know, you don't want his ability to come back and bite the Giants. Pencil him in down in Dallas with Hardy across from him. Are you/we ready for that?
Logically, yeah, you're probably correct. It's a miserable allocation of cap space which would be better suited for next year and the guy likely won't have much of an impact.
"Hardy across from him"??? Were you thinking of Beatty?
I just don't understand how anyone in their right mind can imagine JPP being an impact player from this point forward. The idiot would have been better off if a part of his head was blown off as it was probably the only thing getting in the way of him being considered great.
That's just it...you keep insisting that this would be a poor allocation of money but you and I don't know what JPP's recovery time is projected to be. IF he's projected to be fine half way through camp give or take a week, the Giants will pay him the FT money.
This team hasn't made the playoffs in 3 years. If they feel JPP can play this year they are going to pay him. They aren't waiting until next year. Next year the entire staff could be wiped out.
AGain, we don't know what his recovery time looks like but many reports are saying 6 weeks. That's fine. Don't you think the Giants would pull back the FT if JPP's 2015 season was in serious jeopardy? Think man...
I doubt that the Giants view this accident as a chance to "save" that money and roll it into next season. More likely they view it as losing a big piece of their 2015 plans, without the opportunity to replace him. They probably feel, and rightly so, that only their defense and team would be hurt by that at this point.
Coming up with a plan to get him healthy and back around the team, especially one that puts him on the field at the start or within the first few weeks of the season is probably their best bet at this point.
Kinda typical for them, no?