NJ.com: Why JPP Shut the Giants Out

In comment 12364163 Bill L said:

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In general, I find the selling of body parts to be unethical.

Lol

In comment 12364137 Chris684 said:

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malcontent asshole many here made him out to be with each passing report.

Funny, I have the exact opposite reaction. But that's what makes BBI so great - complete differences of opinion...

I'm sure their first concern is his personal health. But common courtesy goes a long way sometimes. He can "handle his business" all he wants, but they will do the same.

doing some major spin-control now as they look terrible for not even talking to the Giants when they were down there.

They know the Giants hold all the cards AND JPP's team looks bad in the public's eye for their actions the past couple days.

Spin control at its finest.

In comment 12364163 Bill L said:

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In general, I find the selling of body parts to be unethical.

Selling body parts?

In the Giants case, I would expect them to defer the decision to the excellent doctors that are associated with the team (some of the best in the world). And I would expect those Drs to recommend the option that is in JPPs best long term interest or give him the various viable options.

In comment 12364168 ron mexico said:

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I can imagine that time is of the essence for this type of thing and postponing even a week to get a 2nd opinion and the toll of traveling could have been too much of a risk. Just guessing at their thinking

Don't necessarily need to travel. I'm sure Barnes could've arranged to have someone review the medical file without (significantly) delaying any likely procedure.

In comment 12364184 giants#1 said:

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In comment 12364163 Bill L said: Quote: In general, I find the selling of body parts to be unethical. Selling body parts? In the Giants case, I would expect them to defer the decision to the excellent doctors that are associated with the team (some of the best in the world). And I would expect those Drs to recommend the option that is in JPPs best long term interest or give him the various viable options.

By most accounts it wasn't done with the best long term interest in mind, but to facilitate getting back quicker with the next contract in mind.

Where is the reason; the "why'? Is it just "because"?

somehow being pissed at the Giants.

Drs usually like to do their own examinations and tests and wont rely on the examinations of others

I don't think a doctor could give any sort of meaningful opinion without examining in person.

In comment 12364195 Bill L said:

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By most accounts it wasn't done with the best long term interest in mind, but to facilitate getting back quicker with the next contract in mind.

Depends on what you think his interest is. Getting back quicker will certainly help him earn more (perhaps considerably more) on his next contract. Who knows what the alternative options were?

In comment 12364213 giants#1 said:

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In comment 12364195 Bill L said: Quote: By most accounts it wasn't done with the best long term interest in mind, but to facilitate getting back quicker with the next contract in mind. Depends on what you think his interest is. Getting back quicker will certainly help him earn more (perhaps considerably more) on his next contract. Who knows what the alternative options were?

Point is, he cut off a finger for money, rather than health.

In comment 12364155 Chris684 said:

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that all of it is true. Do you think it would be an easy call to decide to have one of your fingers cut off in an effort to play football asap? Knowing how the Giants care for the player, maybe he did feel that they would advise against him doing that but it's what he wanted to salvage his career? Anyway, Joey in VA had a great post about his experience in the hospital and how his privacy was more important to him than anything else. More important than even letting his parents know. No obligation means no obligation, does it not?

I'm not arguing whether or not he was obliged to see the team. He wasn't and he didn't. I would argue that it's in his best interest on both a personal and professional level to loop in his employers on a decision that will ultimately effect the way that he does his job with them. Or at least meet with them or see them. He's not obliged to do it, it's just a smart thing to do.

You can feel Ranaan in this article struggling to make a case for JPP based on the quotes provided by someone close to him. Pointing out that his contract is up and he doesn't have to meet with team officials is just rationalizing a bad decision.

But that's my take on it.

I might cave too and cut off a limb for a million dollars. Nobody's asked me yet, so I can't really say.

doesn't always mean it's a bad one.

that he has a relationship that goes beyond the letter of the law and both sides have some responsibility to each other.

In comment 12364137 Chris684 said:

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malcontent asshole many here made him out to be with each passing report.

If anything, it supports the argument.

I care a lot less about what he does than what the Giants do. This mess is partially of their making. Can't trust morons not to be morons.

In comment 12364215 Bill L said:

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Point is, he cut off a finger for money, rather than health.

Do you know for sure that this was the worse decision health-wise?

And if we're talking about the difference between getting on the field in September vs November, then we are talking about a lot of money. Even if it had no impact on his next contract, you're basically talking about $1M/game for this upcoming season.

a malcontent any more than you not involving your employer in a healthcare matter that might keep you out of your job.

He wants to save face and hold on to small amount of dignity in the face of his own stupidity, that's his call. Giants should not drop tender and when he wants to re-sign put him through one of the most thorough physicals they can think of and play his game.

As he go through physicals and performance evaluations ask stupid questions like using your right index finger can you touch your big toe. Or have you always had 4 fingers on your right hand? When did it go missing, was it during a game? If so it may be a non Football related injury.

In comment 12364171 speedywheels said:

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In comment 12364137 Chris684 said: Quote: malcontent asshole many here made him out to be with each passing report. Funny, I have the exact opposite reaction. But that's what makes BBI so great - complete differences of opinion...

I completely agree with you Speedy. The crap about not having an employee weather technically true or not is just that...CRAP and disrespectful to the team that currently holds his future in their hands. Further, it demonstrates stupidity to not get the advice of the Giants medical staff before making such an important decision. I'm not saying he has to take their advice but he should have had an interest to hear what it was.

the reality is that he knew his only option was to go back to the Giants - nobody else made him an offer. To say he does not have a team is complete BS - his team is the Giants who were going to pay him a minimum of $14.8 million this year. So yes I think he did have an obligation to keep them in the loop.

JPPs actions speak volumes. He simply does not trust the team. It's all business to him. He does not want to open his book to the Giants, since he thinks the Giants will use the info against him rather than try to help him. He obviously does not know the organization too well.

He had a chance to work with some of the best doctors on this planet. And turned it down out of a lack of trust. Think about that for a bit. That, is absurd.

on these boards in awhile.

"He played out his contract."

This is nonsense. What's true is that the Giants hold his rights under the CBA for the upcoming season. He does have an employer and one with 14.8 million reasons to be involved.

that will be looking for ways to screw you over as you lay there with half of your hand missing.

I think these comments from his camp will almost completely dissolve any goodwill people had towards JPP.

in kind...

because the NY Giants have the ability to control what he does this season.

RE: privacy - How about you just give the Giants a heads up that it's your decision and you will make it on your own terms and will let them know what it is. And, that discussing the decisions is something you choose not to do.

As opposed to the employer who has paid you millions finding out this information when the general public does?

blown off 20% of his hand. What utter bullshit.

First, the Giants have an outstanding record or doing what's right for the player health wise even at the expense of the team. Over the years, there have been lots of players the Giants would not use or would release because the player couldn't pass the physical and the player ended up up playing elsewhere. And, the Giants were always, or almost always right. I don't remember the reverse being true.

Second, the Giants would have spared no expense or would just have arranged for JPP to get medical attention from the top medical people in the world in NYC. I don't know that it would have made a difference in the outcome but hard for me to believe that the medical people taking care of JPP or the hospital are comparable to what the rich get, or what the Giants would have arranged, in Manhattan.

This smells like JPP's agent looking very shortsighted at the situation.

In comment 12364138 Jan in DC said:

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makes me shake my head. Does it matter if you don't have a contract? No. I get that he's not obligated to bring the Giants into the situation, but why wouldn't you want to? The quote about "Taking care of his business" is absurd.

I agree. If anything they wanted to see if he was okay. Why not let them in and see how he is doing? Also, the giants have access to the best doctors and facilities. Even if he wanted to make his own decision, what's the harm in listening, and allowing yourself the best options before coming to a decision?

I respect JPP's right to privacy, and to handle the situation as he and his agent (and only true advocate in a business sense) see fit. His livelihood is on the line here and he shouldn't be resented for acting in what he thinks is his best interest.

The flip side to that coin is that I also respect the Giants' right to pull the tender and move on from this complete debacle. They need to stop treating JPP as a prized asset under their control. You could own Secretariat in 1973...he isn't going to have the same value if you blow up his hoof.

JPP is no longer the Giants' best player, nor can he be treated as a prized asset of great value. He is a problem now. This can not be overstated.

I can't believe the Giants are entertaining keeping him this year.

than the speculation. At least that has been my life experience. The stonewalling and barring of Ronnie Barnes leads me to believe that it is worse than we all think.

should insure that they never get another client again. attempting to get a negotiating upperhand, or sympathy from the public, by stating that he his a FA and doesnt have a team....when there was in fact A TEAM....who flew all the way to florida to check on him....is absurd. these guys make the way ARod handled the steroid thing seem smart.

could the finger have been saved? And if saved, what would be the prognosis for recovery? If full recovery was possible, but it would have taken much longer to heal, and longer for him to get in playing shape, costing him 1M per game this year, what does that tell you?

was a priority. as if the options were, spend the year out of football getting healed, likely not paid or cutting it off and collecting some of that franchise tag this year and hopefully getting a new contract from someone next march. im embarrassed for using a 'Ballers' reference...but i think JPP's 'Reggie', told him to cut it off and get paid.

In comment 12364511 YorkAveGiant said:

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was a priority. as if the options were, spend the year out of football getting healed, likely not paid or cutting it off and collecting some of that franchise tag this year and hopefully getting a new contract from someone next march. im embarrassed for using a 'Ballers' reference...but i think JPP's 'Reggie', told him to cut it off and get paid.

I think his agent is "Stan the Caddie"

"Go for the green!"

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I'd have gotten 2nd and maybe 3rd opinions from the very BEST medical staff types I could before doing anything.

I get that he isn't under contract but he is TAGGED so he isn't really "free" either.

He wanted to take care of business with fireworks and obviously didn't know what he was doing. Now he disses the Giants? And it is a diss. No other way to see this since the Giants showed up at the hospital.

Maybe we'll know more tomorrow about how long he'll likely be out. I just wonder whether we should pull the plug and use the monies to sign folks who finish camp healthy and looking good:

Eli, Prince, TE Robinson, WR Randle, DT Ellis (1 year), DE Ayers (1 year), etc. I mean, I know it is a "dream" move but if we eliminated five or six potential free agents with the $15 million I'd be ecstatic.

In comment 12364314 BillT said:

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"He played out his contract." This is nonsense. What's true is that the Giants hold his rights under the CBA for the upcoming season. He does have an employer and one with 14.8 million reasons to be involved.

Amazing, isn't it?

Can only imagine who is speaking in his ear. Great advice. Half a hand, no contract and playing hardball with the organization which owns your rights. Brilliant

Behaving like a moron is not a stretch.

As evidenced by the attitude in their 'he isn't under contract' statement. While technically true it misses the point and reveals their mindset.

You can still meet with Giants reps, say "this is what happened, this is what I'm going to do, please don't try to influence me or give advice since my mind is made up." It's really not that hard. You can make a personal decision while also keeping your team informed. And, yes, he is part of the Giants. If he's saying he's not part of any team just because he's not currently under contract then that's just a weird way of thinking, like he wants to be out of here or something. He's been part of the team for years and they're still going to offer him the franchise tag.

In comment 12364664 illmatic said:

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You can still meet with Giants reps, say "this is what happened, this is what I'm going to do, please don't try to influence me or give advice since my mind is made up." It's really not that hard. You can make a personal decision while also keeping your team informed. And, yes, he is part of the Giants. If he's saying he's not part of any team just because he's not currently under contract then that's just a weird way of thinking, like he wants to be out of here or something. He's been part of the team for years and they're still going to offer him the franchise tag.

This is assuming he can even act for himself. Feels like we should remind ourselves he's stuck to an ER bed and is probably loaded on pain killers after having an explosive device mangle his hand Nobody has even reported on whether he's making the decisions here.

In comment 12364430 Go Terps said:

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I respect JPP's right to privacy, and to handle the situation as he and his agent (and only true advocate in a business sense) see fit. His livelihood is on the line here and he shouldn't be resented for acting in what he thinks is his best interest. The flip side to that coin is that I also respect the Giants' right to pull the tender and move on from this complete debacle. They need to stop treating JPP as a prized asset under their control. You could own Secretariat in 1973...he isn't going to have the same value if you blow up his hoof. JPP is no longer the Giants' best player, nor can he be treated as a prized asset of great value. He is a problem now. This can not be overstated. I can't believe the Giants are entertaining keeping him this year.

This tough guy act of yours just makes you look silly. NFI JPP and they don't have to pay him. His value is not zero. You do no throw away assets for nothing. Even small assets have a value. Respect that value, or watch your franchise become the Knicks....

That really doesn't explain anything.

In comment 12364616 Torrag said:

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As evidenced by the attitude in their 'he isn't under contract' statement. While technically true it misses the point and reveals their mindset.

This is exactly what I thought. It's actually quite passive aggressive and immature.

In comment 12364372 SomeFan said:

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blown off 20% of his hand. What utter bullshit.

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