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Whether or not to remove the digit was a personal and life decision. Pierre-Paul elected to make it on his own, after consulting with doctors at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami, his family and close inner-circle. The Giants were not involved. They didn't even know about the amputation until they saw the report surface along with a picture of his medical chart. Their efforts to help had been rebuffed, with vice president of medical services and head athletic trainer Ronnie Barnes and special assistant Jessie Armstead turned away at the hospital door. Apparently it was nothing personal. "It has nothing to do against the Giants," a person close to Pierre-Paul told NJ Advance Media. "He's handling his business." ... "He doesn't have an employer," the person said. "He played out his contract." |
I.E. be overly cautious for his long term well being at the expense of his ability to earn a paycheck.
For the record, I'm not saying the Giants handled Wilson inappropriately in any way.
The quote about "Taking care of his business" is absurd.
Sorry, what about this article made you feel better about the situation and how JPP handled it? Just curious.
The quote about "Taking care of his business" is absurd.
I agree. He doesn't need to talk to TC/Reese, but consulting with Barnes and possibly getting a 2nd opinion from some of the top surgeons in NY seems like a no brainer.
He does not owe the Giants a look at his hand. Again, it's stupid on his part if he didn't have access to the same level of care, but if there's any way he can lose money by showing them his hand, I understand why he didn't show the Giants.
Anyway, Joey in VA had a great post about his experience in the hospital and how his privacy was more important to him than anything else. More important than even letting his parents know.
No obligation means no obligation, does it not?
I don't know if I agree with that.
Besides the initial irresponsible act, I think that there is a lot to be dissatisfied about if you are the organization or the fan.
I disagree that he doesn't have an employer even if he might be technically correct. All along he is in a business interaction with the team and there was very little chance that he wouldn't be playing with the team this season. He still has obligations and responsibilities and even courtesies that should be extended. The Giants have to make business decisions so I think he has a responsibility to inform them of things that might impact that decision. Same as if the team was going to go bankrupt while they were negotiating with him; I would think that the team would have to inform the player that they might not be able to pay him the money they wee negotiating to pay.
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makes me shake my head. Does it matter if you don't have a contract? No. I get that he's not obligated to bring the Giants into the situation, but why wouldn't you want to?
The quote about "Taking care of his business" is absurd.
I agree. He doesn't need to talk to TC/Reese, but consulting with Barnes and possibly getting a 2nd opinion from some of the top surgeons in NY seems like a no brainer.
I can imagine that time is of the essence for this type of thing and postponing even a week to get a 2nd opinion and the toll of traveling could have been too much of a risk.
Just guessing at their thinking
Lol
Funny, I have the exact opposite reaction. But that's what makes BBI so great - complete differences of opinion...
They know the Giants hold all the cards AND JPP's team looks bad in the public's eye for their actions the past couple days.
Spin control at its finest.
Selling body parts?
In the Giants case, I would expect them to defer the decision to the excellent doctors that are associated with the team (some of the best in the world). And I would expect those Drs to recommend the option that is in JPPs best long term interest or give him the various viable options.
I can imagine that time is of the essence for this type of thing and postponing even a week to get a 2nd opinion and the toll of traveling could have been too much of a risk.
Just guessing at their thinking
Don't necessarily need to travel. I'm sure Barnes could've arranged to have someone review the medical file without (significantly) delaying any likely procedure.
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In general, I find the selling of body parts to be unethical.
Selling body parts?
In the Giants case, I would expect them to defer the decision to the excellent doctors that are associated with the team (some of the best in the world). And I would expect those Drs to recommend the option that is in JPPs best long term interest or give him the various viable options.
By most accounts it wasn't done with the best long term interest in mind, but to facilitate getting back quicker with the next contract in mind.
I don't think a doctor could give any sort of meaningful opinion without examining in person.
Depends on what you think his interest is. Getting back quicker will certainly help him earn more (perhaps considerably more) on his next contract. Who knows what the alternative options were?
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By most accounts it wasn't done with the best long term interest in mind, but to facilitate getting back quicker with the next contract in mind.
Depends on what you think his interest is. Getting back quicker will certainly help him earn more (perhaps considerably more) on his next contract. Who knows what the alternative options were?
Point is, he cut off a finger for money, rather than health.
Anyway, Joey in VA had a great post about his experience in the hospital and how his privacy was more important to him than anything else. More important than even letting his parents know.
No obligation means no obligation, does it not?
I'm not arguing whether or not he was obliged to see the team. He wasn't and he didn't. I would argue that it's in his best interest on both a personal and professional level to loop in his employers on a decision that will ultimately effect the way that he does his job with them. Or at least meet with them or see them. He's not obliged to do it, it's just a smart thing to do.
You can feel Ranaan in this article struggling to make a case for JPP based on the quotes provided by someone close to him. Pointing out that his contract is up and he doesn't have to meet with team officials is just rationalizing a bad decision.
But that's my take on it.
If anything, it supports the argument.
Point is, he cut off a finger for money, rather than health.
Do you know for sure that this was the worse decision health-wise?
And if we're talking about the difference between getting on the field in September vs November, then we are talking about a lot of money. Even if it had no impact on his next contract, you're basically talking about $1M/game for this upcoming season.
As he go through physicals and performance evaluations ask stupid questions like using your right index finger can you touch your big toe. Or have you always had 4 fingers on your right hand? When did it go missing, was it during a game? If so it may be a non Football related injury.
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malcontent asshole many here made him out to be with each passing report.
Funny, I have the exact opposite reaction. But that's what makes BBI so great - complete differences of opinion...
I completely agree with you Speedy. The crap about not having an employee weather technically true or not is just that...CRAP and disrespectful to the team that currently holds his future in their hands. Further, it demonstrates stupidity to not get the advice of the Giants medical staff before making such an important decision. I'm not saying he has to take their advice but he should have had an interest to hear what it was.
He had a chance to work with some of the best doctors on this planet. And turned it down out of a lack of trust. Think about that for a bit. That, is absurd.
This is nonsense. What's true is that the Giants hold his rights under the CBA for the upcoming season. He does have an employer and one with 14.8 million reasons to be involved.
I think these comments from his camp will almost completely dissolve any goodwill people had towards JPP.
RE: privacy - How about you just give the Giants a heads up that it's your decision and you will make it on your own terms and will let them know what it is. And, that discussing the decisions is something you choose not to do.
As opposed to the employer who has paid you millions finding out this information when the general public does?
Second, the Giants would have spared no expense or would just have arranged for JPP to get medical attention from the top medical people in the world in NYC. I don't know that it would have made a difference in the outcome but hard for me to believe that the medical people taking care of JPP or the hospital are comparable to what the rich get, or what the Giants would have arranged, in Manhattan.
This smells like JPP's agent looking very shortsighted at the situation.
The quote about "Taking care of his business" is absurd.
I agree. If anything they wanted to see if he was okay. Why not let them in and see how he is doing? Also, the giants have access to the best doctors and facilities. Even if he wanted to make his own decision, what's the harm in listening, and allowing yourself the best options before coming to a decision?
The flip side to that coin is that I also respect the Giants' right to pull the tender and move on from this complete debacle. They need to stop treating JPP as a prized asset under their control. You could own Secretariat in 1973...he isn't going to have the same value if you blow up his hoof.
JPP is no longer the Giants' best player, nor can he be treated as a prized asset of great value. He is a problem now. This can not be overstated.
I can't believe the Giants are entertaining keeping him this year.
I think his agent is "Stan the Caddie"
"Go for the green!"
I get that he isn't under contract but he is TAGGED so he isn't really "free" either.
He wanted to take care of business with fireworks and obviously didn't know what he was doing. Now he disses the Giants? And it is a diss. No other way to see this since the Giants showed up at the hospital.
Maybe we'll know more tomorrow about how long he'll likely be out. I just wonder whether we should pull the plug and use the monies to sign folks who finish camp healthy and looking good:
Eli, Prince, TE Robinson, WR Randle, DT Ellis (1 year), DE Ayers (1 year), etc. I mean, I know it is a "dream" move but if we eliminated five or six potential free agents with the $15 million I'd be ecstatic.
This is nonsense. What's true is that the Giants hold his rights under the CBA for the upcoming season. He does have an employer and one with 14.8 million reasons to be involved.
Amazing, isn't it?
Can only imagine who is speaking in his ear. Great advice. Half a hand, no contract and playing hardball with the organization which owns your rights. Brilliant
This is assuming he can even act for himself. Feels like we should remind ourselves he's stuck to an ER bed and is probably loaded on pain killers after having an explosive device mangle his hand Nobody has even reported on whether he's making the decisions here.
The flip side to that coin is that I also respect the Giants' right to pull the tender and move on from this complete debacle. They need to stop treating JPP as a prized asset under their control. You could own Secretariat in 1973...he isn't going to have the same value if you blow up his hoof.
JPP is no longer the Giants' best player, nor can he be treated as a prized asset of great value. He is a problem now. This can not be overstated.
I can't believe the Giants are entertaining keeping him this year.
This tough guy act of yours just makes you look silly. NFI JPP and they don't have to pay him. His value is not zero. You do no throw away assets for nothing. Even small assets have a value. Respect that value, or watch your franchise become the Knicks....
This is exactly what I thought. It's actually quite passive aggressive and immature.
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