OK...so we're a little over 9 weeks to opening night...

take a look at it. After you finally determine what is what in that mangled mess of a hand, try to picture him playing well by the time we're eating our Thanksgiving turkey.

It's lunacy.

In comment 12365062 Eric from BBI said:

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My wife supports the Giants and puts up with my passion. For years she's seen me depressed after one of our players gets really hurt. Wife: "What's wrong?" Me: "I'm upset about Cruz. (or insert any name here)" Wife: "He'll be OK." Fast forward to this week. Wife: "What's wrong?" Me: "I'm upset about JPP. The dumbass wrecked his hand. They just amputated his finger." Wife: "He's done."

whatever angle or perspective you put on this....the fact is either way ...his career (with the giants) is already done or is very close to the end. He may be an athletic freak but he is not LT. I don't see any return on investment from the Giants perspective. Do you??? If so please enlighten me. A guy who should be headed for 2 or 3 of the best years as a player literally gave it away because he is an idiot. Listen to your wife!!!

for another team.

In comment 12365065 Eric from BBI said:

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Seems like a one-year, $15 million rental on damaged goods. Giants are going to be interesting to watch, but they are not a playoff team. This is not on Coughlin. He should get a pass.

Eric, I fully agree with you, JPP is not contributing this year. Paying $15M on a bet on someone with his injury is madness.

I agree that it was always a question whether the Giants were going to be a playoff team or not.

I respectively disagree though that an injury to JPP gives TC or any other coach a pass before training camp has even started. One guy does not make the team. No excuses already for TC, that is ridiculous.

from JPP than some others here, certainly more than Terps, but the more I think about the whole situation now, I'm beginning to agree with Eric (and Terps) about cutting him loose. Ideally he and the team would re-negotiate a 1 year show me contract at a greatly reduced price. That would be in line with the Giants not wanting to abandon one of their players, and also help out JPP. He could test the market and if nothing better turned up, take the Giants offer. The Giants would gain if somehow JPP does, at some point in the season, perform at a high level. Otherwise, I'm not really that upset anymore if it comes to a parting of the ways

John Mara is fuming about now over being, essentially, blown off. He just might pull the tag if this BS from JPP's camp continues.

the team may take advantage of the opportunity in front of them.

Also we all wanted Spags back ... this is also an opportunity for him to show and prove his prowess in coaching, strategies and use of personnel.

I am a NYG fan...and I choose to believe and be optimistic.

both will miss at least the first half of the season and we haven't gotten to training camp yet. Both non football injuries. That's some crappy luck. Coaches are going to have to earn their money this year and get young guys ready to play at a high level. Hasn't exactly been their strength. Flowers replacing Beatty, Collins replacing Rolle, no one to replace JPP. How is this team improved from 6 wins last year? 5 of the Giants 6 wins were against teams with 6 wins or less. With Eli not signed past 2015 we could be looking at the end of an era very quickly.

In comment 12365440 OC2.0 said:

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John Mara is fuming about now over being, essentially, blown off. He just might pull the tag if this BS from JPP's camp continues.

Blown off? :-)

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In comment 12365440 OC2.0 said: Quote: John Mara is fuming about now over being, essentially, blown off. He just might pull the tag if this BS from JPP's camp continues. Blown off? :-)

Lol, wish I could take credit for that being intentional.

In comment 12365079 Eric from BBI said:

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Assuming Damontre Moore is our new RDE, teams in the NFC East are going to run to the left against us all year. Don't underestimate how good JPP was in run defense (even though our overall run defense was bad last year).

Yes and no. For every play he made in the backfield, he gave up the edge on another. The most glaring example was the Redskins running the same play about a dozen times right at him. But, it was a few times a game.

It will hurt. But, I don't expect Moore to be the main guy out there. I expect a lot of rotation among all 6 DEs at both spots. I also think our interior run defense will be better and we have better LBs on the edge.

In comment 12365448 arniefez said:

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both will miss at least the first half of the season and we haven't gotten to training camp yet. Both non football injuries. That's some crappy luck. Coaches are going to have to earn their money this year and get young guys ready to play at a high level. Hasn't exactly been their strength. Flowers replacing Beatty, Collins replacing Rolle, no one to replace JPP. How is this team improved from 6 wins last year? 5 of the Giants 6 wins were against teams with 6 wins or less. With Eli not signed past 2015 we could be looking at the end of an era very quickly.

The thing about calling Beatty the best OL is that it isn't saying much. He is a good, but not special LT. If Flowers is anywhere near as good as he can be, even as a rookie, there shouldn't be a huge dropoff in play there. plus, the rest of the OL should be better overall.

In comment 12365699 Matt M. said:

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...The thing about calling Beatty the best OL is that it isn't saying much. He is a good, but not special LT. If Flowers is anywhere near as good as he can be, even as a rookie, there shouldn't be a huge dropoff in play there. plus, the rest of the OL should be better overall.

Not sure how Marshall Newhouse figures to be an "improvement" over Justin Pugh. Even over Pugh's bad sophomore year...

this injury is not only going to prevent him from being productive this year but until he is healthy and given a chance to produce it will take re-signing him to a new contract. I don't think it will be worth the investment.

He had a chance to be great but is far too immature and moronic to understand the formula for success. Attitude and effort are what he can control. His attitude sucked and he never seemed to give 100% effort. I don't want him back and I would be happy with Moore getting the RDE spot. I wanted the Giants to move JPP to LDE anyway. So, Selvie and Wynn can fight out that spot with Moore, Oh Diggy and Ayers at RDE.

Move on Reese. Let him walk.

to a dominating DE who blows up his hand/arm with fireworks ...

It's amazing what dumb shit some of these multi-millionaire idiots do - and the impact it has on us as fans.

For me - I was already done with Burress before he shot himself - and JPP's best year was always going to be his rookie year. Last season's numbers were disturbing to me - why couldn't he get it done when it mattered?

I'm so tired of the crap generated by supposedly "professional" athletes. Sports has been such a large part of my life - playing sports in my youth - and following the Giants/Rangers thereafter. Yet, it is crap like Burress/JPP that drains me emotionally to the point where I'm not sure it's worth it anymore.

Focus on the guys we have, especially those that make positive contributions on and off the field. Don't let the pinheads bring you down.

In other words...Accentuate the Positive.

If Reese, TC and management are smart they see the JPP situation for what it is, a disaster, and cut the non-sense and him July 15th.

As Eric note, JPP missed the entire off-season of OTA's and hence has no knowledge of Spags defense. JPP himself has said he ain't showing til he is healed UNLESS the GIANTS guarantee his contract. No way the Giants do that right now, not unless they know the full extent of the injuries and the healing time involved. No way you pay someone big money when they have a lackadaisical attitude and less than friendly response to Giants.

I take the $15 million and begin working on contract extensions for Eli and Prince. If you pay out say $7 million each more in base or whatever to them this year and sign them to five year extensions (with 5th year being so high they are virtually "cut or re-do years") you lock up two key guys. I realize Prince has been hurt a bit during his tenure but they aren't those "major" debilitating type injuries like permanent bad backs, ACL tears and the like.

Just use the JPP money wisely and SPEND it this year. Don't lose it or keep it for owners coffers (the Giants won't).

Send a message that this is about TEAM and about the future of the TEAM. Play JPP tough cause he deserves to be played that way. There is a price to pay for bad choices. I wish JPP well - I really truly do BUT I'm not sure he'd ever be truly "well" with the Giants. Not this year for sure and at $15 million that is just way too expensive for my taste!