NFT: Knicks Char: How Zinger pick was made

In comment 12372150 Deej said:

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on Okafor, what the fuck are the coaches doing. Maybe it's the space cadet look on his face, but I dont have a lot of confidence that Fisher has any idea what to do. My only solace is in the fact that Phil really knows him.

Porzingod for rookie player-coach. Let the legend begin.

That's absurd.

D'Lo is the only prospect that has disappointed. Everyone else is fine with their guy.

they aren't running set offenses or set defenses. you're really upset by Fisher's facial expressions?

Look Fisher definitely has to prove something but you guys are reaching by dissecting summer league strategies.

Fisher gets another year with an actual NBA roster. Last year simply doesn't count and if you're one of the many that wanted the Knicks to suck bad enough to get a good lottery pick, well...they sucked bad enough.

And redrafting? lol...stop...please.

said he's been letting Zinger do his own thing to see where his instincts are.

Porz fits much better tahn Okafor, especially when you figure in the rim protection. Don't get me wrong I like Okafor as a top 4 pick, just think Porz may be a better fit long term.

unsure what to think of Fisher. My concern is because he's Phil's guy he will get more leash than he should even if he does poorly. A lot can happen in a long season so I won't put a win # on what I "need" for Fisher to be back but simply "better than last year" isn't close to enough. I'd say at least doubling last year would be the minimum acceptable.

In comment 12372176 djm said:

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they aren't running set offenses or set defenses. you're really upset by Fisher's facial expressions? Look Fisher definitely has to prove something but you guys are reaching by dissecting summer league strategies. Fisher gets another year with an actual NBA roster. Last year simply doesn't count and if you're one of the many that wanted the Knicks to suck bad enough to get a good lottery pick, well...they sucked bad enough. And redrafting? lol...stop...please.

Fisher gets 0% "bonus points" for the Knicks landing a lottery pick.

He said the notion that the Milwaukee Bucks could move to Las Vegas "is not realistic in the short term."

Bucks President Peter Feigin had told Wisconsin officials that the team could move to Las Vegas or Seattle if it doesn't get public funding for a new arena.

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In comment 12372217 giantsfan44ab said:

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No. Which is why I'm concerned until I see Fisher doing a good job. His leash is likely insanely long.

Most of the people going to those games would be tourists. Don't see how they could get a stable fanbase, but not to familiar with the residents in LV.

and i've added the caveats not the same low post game or freak athleticism. But tenacity is another thing I see in spades from a young KP in the KG vein. Even as a thinner guy when he goes inside you see one dribble then a power move to the basket where he uses his length to draw contact. He isn't going to fear anyone in the NBA, loved the 2nd half adjustments against Okafor. Even as most have said he won't be guarding someone like that for at least two years, he knows that. But he battled and improvised. Very encouraging.

Also, I think we will see him taking more threes as he settles into the stretch 4. IMO he / the Knicks want to get him as many post reps as possible against NBA type talent because he's going to have a lot of trouble getting any kind of position against NBA 4's his first year especially.

fluid as KP is, Garnett was a freak at 7 feet tall.

Porzingis when he's coming off a screen. You're just going to hope he misses because it's going to be so hard to contest his shot in that situation. He's going to be the tallest guy in NBA history to have screens set for him to get a good look from outside.

where the ball is on the opposite side with the guy posted and Porzingis comes off a screen and does a little curl at the top of key and is wide open for a jumper is going to be deadly...

That is going to be a nice weapon to have next to Melo when he gets doubled...

In comment 12372221 giantsfan44ab said:

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Most of the people going to those games would be tourists. Don't see how they could get a stable fanbase, but not to familiar with the residents in LV.

Vegas is roughly the same size as OKC, Portland, and Milwaukee and larger than Sacramento, Atlanta, Miami, Minneapolis, Cleveland, New Orleans, etc. I imagine the local population can more than support a pro team and if you include tourists, they'd sell plenty of tickets.

on the early saber rattling from the owns re the CBA. He is very dismissive of their complaints. The owners are going to say that the system is broken because they have to pay $500 million next year to get the players upto their promised 50% of revenues (seems stupid -- just raise the cap more). Higher revenues = more money for players =the system is broken? Wow.

I have no patience for the socialists who own the NBA teams. If any owner cant turn a profit with their 50% of league revenues then they should sell their team to someone else. The players should not be held responsible for the fact that these people are shitty businessmen.
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that make life harder for everyone else in the league.

There have been enough concessions made to artificially make teams financially viable. The revenue sharing and the luxury taxes are far enough. Nobody should get to cry poor anymore.

50% of "league" revenue, isn't the same as 50% of "team" revenue. Even with revenue sharing, I'm sure NY, LA, Chi and a handful of other teams are pulling in significantly more than the average team revenue.

So some of the teams are spending more than 50% of their revenue on players. That said, most of their other expenses (stadium maintenance, coaches, travel, etc) I would expect to be fairly constant and any rate of growth in these should be far exceeded by the additional revenue.

its the fact that the small market teams dominate the big market teams, there are just so many more of them. They get almost every concession but then are still the first to complain. Most of the owners im assuming knew that when they bought a team that played in MEM it wasnt going to make as much as the team that is in NY. if after this ridiculous tv deal a small market team cant turn a profit then either they are doing something wrong or that team should be moved.

In comment 12372263 giants#1 said:

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Vegas is roughly the same size as OKC, Portland, and Milwaukee and larger than Sacramento, Atlanta, Miami, Minneapolis, Cleveland, New Orleans, etc. I imagine the local population can more than support a pro team and if you include tourists, they'd sell plenty of tickets.

You're comparing just the population within the city limits. With the exception of New Orleans, the populations of the metro areas you mentioned are significantly larger than Las Vegas'. Miami and Atlanta's are 4-5x the size. And it's the people out in the suburbs who have the money to afford the high priced NBA tickets.

In comment 12372505 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 12372263 giants#1 said: Quote: Vegas is roughly the same size as OKC, Portland, and Milwaukee and larger than Sacramento, Atlanta, Miami, Minneapolis, Cleveland, New Orleans, etc. I imagine the local population can more than support a pro team and if you include tourists, they'd sell plenty of tickets. You're comparing just the population within the city limits. With the exception of New Orleans, the populations of the metro areas you mentioned are significantly larger than Las Vegas'. Miami and Atlanta's are 4-5x the size. And it's the people out in the suburbs who have the money to afford the high priced NBA tickets.

Fair enough, but Vegas (by metro area population) is still larger than Cleveland, Indy, Milwaukee, Memphis, OKC, New Orleans, and Salt Lake City. And I'm sure there are other smaller metros that support other pro teams (NHL, NFL, MLB). So I don't see any reason that Vegas wouldn't have the population to support an NBA team.


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In comment 12372515 giants#1 said:

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Fair enough, but Vegas (by metro area population) is still larger than Cleveland, Indy, Milwaukee, Memphis, OKC, New Orleans, and Salt Lake City. And I'm sure there are other smaller metros that support other pro teams (NHL, NFL, MLB). So I don't see any reason that Vegas wouldn't have the population to support an NBA team. Metro Pops - ( New Window )

MSA's vary wildly in size -- Las Vegas' is nearly 8000 sq. miles and extends into Arizona. It's about 4x the size of Cleveland's. The population of the Vegas area reasonably likely to attend games regularly is much smaller.

to see how "old" the Knicks roster is despite a 17 win season

In comment 12372582 DanMetroMan said:

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to see how "old" the Knicks roster is despite a 17 win season

Well they just added 4 pieces of varying age lol

officially an ex-Knick

KOQ, Williams, Early, Zinger, Grant, Galloway all < 24

Melo, Afflalo, Lopez in their prime

Calderon only old guy not counting back end of the roster guys making the MIN.

For his D on Okafor, but I just rewatched every possession that Okafor had the ball. Outside of 3 possessions Porzingis played him great. Fouled him a few times, but also blocked him 3 times, caused an offensive foul & had great D on two entry passes that caused turnovers. Here is the breakdown of who was guarding Okafor when he scored.

He scored 1 basket on Ndour, 4 on Kirk, 1 on Porzingis & 1 when Porzingis left his man to help the Guard who got beat. That's 16 points plus he hit 2 free throws.

with Porzingis is Summer League is he's not shooting enough. I want to see him try and score more.

In comment 12372667 EricNY33 said:

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with Porzingis is Summer League is he's not shooting enough. I want to see him try and score more.

Yeah. No Marvin Williams or Wilson Chandler's please! But he probably doesn't want to come off as selfish and honestly has less to prove than some of these guys trying to make the team.

Yup it's annoying me. He has a beautiful shot. Doesn't even hit the rim. With Melo & Afflalo + Porzingis at the 4 I really think he could be a quality starter on the offensive end this year. I hope we can see him take around 15 shots.

defense. I'd like more rebounding. I think his IQ is ridiculous and for a guy who didn't have many assists in Europe he's a willing and good passer. I just wanna see him be more aggressive with his offense.

going to the Cavs for the Haywood contract?

and start playing games, Fish and the vets are gonna tell Porz to pull the trigger on those shots. Maybe not game 1, but as the season progresses. If you have the ball, can shoot, and are in a good spot to shoot, everyone wants you to take that shot. Porz hitting shots will open things up for everyone else.

He has to get his shots, and speak up if he's not receiving the ball in his spots.

He hit a sweet J in Okafors face, but that was after he got pushed all the way to the top of the key because he was outweighed 30 pounds.

We have to give him a little more time to add some strength before we complain about him not getting fed the rock.

In comment 12372719 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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He has to get his shots, and speak up if he's not receiving the ball in his spots.

God I hope it's not a repeat of that. There were some real shitbirds on the team the year Gallo broke in, very bad leadership from Pringles, and just a general sense that the roster was the waiting area of the bus station, full of assholes who were not going to get a seat on the bus to LeBron town.

Literally everything about that era of Knicks basketball infuriates me.

In comment 12372723 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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He hit a sweet J in Okafors face, but that was after he got pushed all the way to the top of the key because he was outweighed 30 pounds. We have to give him a little more time to add some strength before we complain about him not getting fed the rock.

Fair. But he probably wont face guys as strong as Okafor that much. And if he does pull a 260+ lbs center 18 feet away from the basket, it's probably a positive.

3 blocks, 1 steal on an entry pass and once he forced the passer to throw it over both him and Ok4 and out of bounds. Ok4 did most of his damage when Zinger was out of the lineup.

And has absolutely NO resemblance to Emeka, although I think I heard they were distant cousins yesterday.

In comment 12372747 Deej said:

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In comment 12372719 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: He has to get his shots, and speak up if he's not receiving the ball in his spots. God I hope it's not a repeat of that. There were some real shitbirds on the team the year Gallo broke in, very bad leadership from Pringles, and just a general sense that the roster was the waiting area of the bus station, full of assholes who were not going to get a seat on the bus to LeBron town. Literally everything about that era of Knicks basketball infuriates me.

lmao, nice visual

1) Why did we give Lance Thomas a guaranteed contract, let alone more than the minimum. How is he not just a shittier Williams? and

2) Is Ndour just a JAG or a real potential find? I get that he's already 23 and doesnt jump out of the gym. But he blocked 2+ shots a game and sank a 3 per at 43.5%. Wingspan of 7'4 and standing reach of 9'1. Isnt that the modern NBA floor spacer/rim protector everyone is talking about? Based on measurables and college production (also 16 and 8 with a steal per), doesnt he scream Draymond Green?

to watch a replay of the game?

In comment 12372889 WhoCares said:

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to watch a replay of the game?

If you get MSG network I think they re-run a lot of these games. Not in the east coast right now so I'm not completely sure but if I remember correctly they did last year. If not, you can get summer league pass on your phone or computer for like $5 right now, can watch archives of any game.

2-9 including 0-4 from 3. 2 assists, 2 TOs, 5 rebs. Announcers said something like he thinks he can be his man whenever he wants and is forcing the play too much.

19 and 9 on 8 of 11 shooting in 21 minutes

into a gym in Vegas for a pick-up game.

In comment 12372909 Deej said:

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19 and 9 on 8 of 11 shooting in 21 minutes

Shouldn't be a coincidence with Randle on the floor. I don't understand the whole hype about him. He's Kenny Faried but with negative defense. He's getting wide open drives to the rim that will be easily contained in an actual NBA game.

Also seeing some of the other guys like Russell and Okafor to compare to Porz. I have to admit in the past I have a hard time focusing on complete games due to the crazy style of play. This time I've really recorded and watched full games. Been entertaining especially during the all star break from baseball when there's usually nothing on. Seeing guys who could possible make thew roster like Ndur and Kirk have been a bonus.