Giants expected to sign Jeromy Miles

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Safety doesn't seem like a weakness anymore

I guess they waited until his price came down.

So now we don't need JPP?

with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles

In comment 12371840 Mike in NY said:

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with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles

Competition doesn't hurt. Plus, Taylor can't stay healthy, Jackson just changed his position to S, who knows how he's progressing.

Not exactly KP. Or even James Butler!


BTW is this KWALL's guy?

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for the other starter next to Collins

In comment 12371840 Mike in NY said:

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with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles

Since when are 5h round picks stone cold locks?

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Not exactly KP. Or even James Butler! BTW is this KWALL's guy?

Ummmm, he is at least as good as James Butler

In comment 12371840 Mike in NY said:

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with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles

Insurance brother, relax. The more the merrier. Some of you guys kill me with this doomsday shit over everything.

In comment 12371840 Mike in NY said:

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with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles

Still a lack of talent and depth at the two spots.

I have been wanting since before the draft.

Some of you guys love to bitch, but don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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In comment 12371840 Mike in NY said: Quote: with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles Competition doesn't hurt. Plus, Taylor can't stay healthy, Jackson just changed his position to S, who knows how he's progressing.

The competition is a good thing, plus we may carry more of these guys than you might initially expect. We're likely going to carry 9 or 10 DBs on the 53 man roster and having a guys who could play CB and Safety fill the 9th and/or 10th spots give some flexibility. Guys like Jackson and Thompson might fit that role well.

So figure you start y identifying your 3 best safeties and 4 best corners, to give you personel to run packages ranging from big nickel to dime. Then add one more CB and S as primary backups to protect against injury, brings you to 9. If neither Jackson or Thompson are in that top 9 they might be fighting for one last special teams/additional back up spot at both positions.

In comment 12371848 Curtis in VA said:

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Ummmm, he is at least as good as James Butler

Says who?

I don't know enough about him, but his stat sheet and particularly # of starts show a markedly inferior player to Butler, quite frankly.

Injuries have been killing us as well. And Taylor'a been prone and now Berhe's got some kind continuing injury himself.

has been pining for this guy since March, and then when we sign him, people bitch. Can't win.

Good signing - have to wonder if this has been in the works for a while as it has made a lot of sense from the beginning. I actually think we have pretty solid safety depth at this point with Collins, Miles, Berhe, Taylor, Thompson, Jackson, and maybe Gordy (if he plays safety). Creates some good competition.

In comment 12371844 Curtis in VA said:

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They don't need another DE.

with Dawan Landry? I know he's older but he's a solid vet with a ton of playing experience coming off of a good year.

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Not exactly KP. Or even James Butler!

I was going to post the same thing. I can't see getting excited over a guy with 3 career starts.

This gets thrown around a lot. You're not getting a pro bowler off the street in july.

In comment 12371848 Curtis in VA said:

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Ummmm, he is at least as good as James Butler

Jeromy Miles has a ways to go before he matches Butler's career...

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New York Giants Butler saw action in 16 games during his rookie season in which he accumulated one start, plus the NFC Wild Card Game, tied for second on the team with 21 special teams tackles (19 solo). He recorded 18 tackles (14 solo), two interceptions, five passes defensed and one fumble recovery in play in dime packages. In 2006, Butler played in 14 regular season games with most of his action coming on special teams but he did see action in dime packages on defense and finished the season with 11 tackles (9 solo), 4 passes defensed and 12 special teams tackles. In Butler's third season (2007), the Giants defeated the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII. Butler led the Giants with ten total tackles in the game. In all Butler played in 13 regular season games with 12 starts and started all 4 postseason games at strong safety and finished with 69 tackles (38 solo), 1 interception, 6 passes defensed, and 1 fumble recovery. Butler, played in 15 games with a career-high 14 starts in 2008 and he had 76 tackles (45 solo) and three interceptions and six passes defensed. St. Louis Rams An unrestricted free agent in the 2009 offseason, Butler agreed to terms on a four-year $14 million contract, which could be worth almost $17 million if all incentives are met, with the St. Louis Rams on March 9.[1] Butler who was good all-around safety for the Giants was particularly noted for his run support, "Butler is far stronger against the run than the pass and will be used as an "in the box" safety" for the Rams.[2] The move reunited him with former Giants defensive coordinator and now former head coach of the Rams, Steve Spagnuolo.

We will probably go with the 3 safety look more than the base 4-3. This is a good move.

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In comment 12371843 BlueLou said: Quote: Not exactly KP. Or even James Butler! I was going to post the same thing. I can't see getting excited over a guy with 3 career starts.

I'm pretty sure there was no expectation of exciting people with this signing. Just a minor but sensible move

In comment 12371840 Mike in NY said:

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with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles

It's simply a sign that the Giants saw the opportunity to add a veteran safety (probably for the vet minimum) who was previously coached by Spags to a group of young safeties with very little NFL experience.

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In comment 12371848 Curtis in VA said: Quote: Ummmm, he is at least as good as James Butler Jeromy Miles has a ways to go before he matches Butler's career... Quote: New York Giants Butler saw action in 16 games during his rookie season in which he accumulated one start, plus the NFC Wild Card Game, tied for second on the team with 21 special teams tackles (19 solo). He recorded 18 tackles (14 solo), two interceptions, five passes defensed and one fumble recovery in play in dime packages. In 2006, Butler played in 14 regular season games with most of his action coming on special teams but he did see action in dime packages on defense and finished the season with 11 tackles (9 solo), 4 passes defensed and 12 special teams tackles. In Butler's third season (2007), the Giants defeated the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII. Butler led the Giants with ten total tackles in the game. In all Butler played in 13 regular season games with 12 starts and started all 4 postseason games at strong safety and finished with 69 tackles (38 solo), 1 interception, 6 passes defensed, and 1 fumble recovery. Butler, played in 15 games with a career-high 14 starts in 2008 and he had 76 tackles (45 solo) and three interceptions and six passes defensed. St. Louis Rams An unrestricted free agent in the 2009 offseason, Butler agreed to terms on a four-year $14 million contract, which could be worth almost $17 million if all incentives are met, with the St. Louis Rams on March 9.[1] Butler who was good all-around safety for the Giants was particularly noted for his run support, "Butler is far stronger against the run than the pass and will be used as an "in the box" safety" for the Rams.[2] The move reunited him with former Giants defensive coordinator and now former head coach of the Rams, Steve Spagnuolo.

yes but going into his first season as a starter what were his numbers? everyone starts with 0 starts, we shouldn't get too upset at the fact he had only 3 starts.

I'm hoping the guys we have do better (and think they will).

Graded him much higher then Ron Parker & Rahim Moore who everybody wanted. Only 5 free agent Safeties above him. He had a +5.4 grade for the season. They were McCourty, Hill, Tashaun Gipson, Dawan Landry & Da'Norris Searcy.

KWALL wanted Ron Parker from KC.

But I agree with Eric, hopefully the younger guys will make hem an experienced backup/mentor.

i would say that LB tony johnson or some lineman who's just a body.

why wait until now to sign him? Why not last month so he can at least participate in OTA's?

Knows Spags system. Good special teams player.

I'd feel more comfortable with him starting alongside Collins. Can stay healthy and should be able to minimize mistakes.

In comment 12371948 bc4life said:

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Knows Spags system. Good special teams player. I'd feel more comfortable with him starting alongside Collins. Can stay healthy and should be able to minimize mistakes.

I know he knows Spags, but how much of "Spags system" do you think the secondary coach ran?

In comment 12371844 Curtis in VA said:

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Very funny. HAHA. Well said.

what happens if/when taylor gets hurt or if someone goes down in camp? there is little to no depth at the position. josh gordy? Bennett Jackson? Thompson and Currie (both of which may be destined more for the P/S than final roster).

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In comment 12371844 Curtis in VA said: Quote: . Very funny. HAHA. Well said.

Seriously, he looks like a very good pickup. Somebody who can challenge for a roster spot, and maybe be a starter in the future. Excellent.

First to call it!

Love that guy. I remember him calling (way in advance) that the Giants would probably sign a little-known LB named Kawika Mitchell.

and a veteran to hedge Taylor's health/youth and Berhe's youth (and potential lack of fit if he can't play SS for some reason with Collins at FS).

Y27 was his prior handle, iirc.

While he wasn't DC, he was secondary coach - so he and Miles should have a sense of what is expected. Perhaps, familiarity is better term. Spags is familiar with Miles strengths/weaknesses. Miles was coached by Spags so he will be familiar with what Spags expects. Spags will undoubtedly incorporate things from the Ravens into what he does for NYG.

Not much out there anyway. And, you have players trying to transition into the position (Jackson) and others who are inexperienced and problems staying healthy.

this doesn't mean Berhe still isn't healthy.

Even if he was, he's certainly not a proven commodity.

In comment 12371834 cokeduplt said:

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Safety doesn't seem like a weakness anymore

We still need a FS. It's Landon Collins and a bunch of question marks

In comment 12371937 speedywheels said:

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why wait until now to sign him? Why not last month so he can at least participate in OTA's?

Did any vets show up to OTA? I'm not sure he'd have been there anyway.

but with a veteran, who DC is familiar with, reduces the anxiety factor a bit.

Look at what J. T. Thomas did for Jax. NOt a starter but came in and performed well "settled things down" - if Miles does that, great. If he does more it's greavy.

Solid Vet signing imo if it comes to fruition

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In comment 12371937 speedywheels said: Quote: why wait until now to sign him? Why not last month so he can at least participate in OTA's? Did any vets show up to OTA? I'm not sure he'd have been there anyway.

Yes, that was a team OTA - Eli and company were all there...

That a lot of BBI was clamoring for this guy after McC, Parker and another top guy were signed during FA?

He is 6'2" and 211 pounds. So, he obviously has athleticism.

And he has manged to stay in the NFL for five seasons, and played enough to accumulate 28 tackles last year for a good defense.

Sounds like a good depth signing.

In comment 12371840 Mike in NY said:

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with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles

Mike, why so negative?

Injuries can quckly decimate any unit, so why not have as much backup as the team can afford.

Also, maybe this is a clue to the kind of defense Spags plans to develop for the team.

We don't know until we know.

In comment 12371890 Rjanyg said:

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We will probably go with the 3 safety look more than the base 4-3. This is a good move.

Interesting though and may be how they will help to deal with No JPP.

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In comment 12371890 Rjanyg said: Quote: We will probably go with the 3 safety look more than the base 4-3. This is a good move. Interesting though and may be how they will help to deal with No JPP.

This sounds like depth/insurance signing in case we mass a bunch of injuries at safety.

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In comment 12371840 Mike in NY said: Quote: with Landon Collins also on the roster, it is not a good sign that we also need to sign Miles Mike, why so negative? Injuries can quckly decimate any unit, so why not have as much backup as the team can afford. Also, maybe this is a clue to the kind of defense Spags plans to develop for the team. We don't know until we know.

Bingo.

virtually no NFL game experience collectively. Sign the talent, let them compete and earn gigs in camp.

There is no alternative now.

In comment 12372195 JonC said:

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virtually no NFL game experience collectively. Sign the talent, let them compete and earn gigs in camp. There is no alternative now.

Hungry and poorly paid compared to their peers is a recipe for good play. I've got high hopes for these guys.

3 safety look under Spags or Fewell? That was in PFs scheme, correct?

that the same guys who bitch are not the same guys that support the moves.

In comment 12372326 AnishPatel said:

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3 safety look under Spags or Fewell? That was in PFs scheme, correct?

Correct-- they didn't really start doing that very much until they had Deon Grant as the 3rd guy, beginning in 2010.

We did that partly because the LBs blew and were slow and awful in coverage. When Grant was playing the 3rd safety role, he was typically matching up with the TE, not a 3rd WR and that's why we added JT Thomas and to a lesser extent Casillas this offseason. They add much needed speed and coverage ability to the D.

Now obviously, if teams go 3-4 WR, we'll see the Giants in nickel D, but I don't see them going to the 3 safety look against "base" offenses (eg 21, 11, 12 personnel groupings).

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that the same guys who bitch are not the same guys that support the moves.

I'm sure they do realize that. The point is that no matter what move JR makes, there is a % that loves it, and (seemingly) almost equal % that hates it. No-win situation...

In comment 12371922 JonC said:

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KWALL wanted Ron Parker from KC.

JonC, you da man. I recalled someone knowledgable touting him. Hopefully he gets outperformed by the guys we drafted, but he could be valuable STs help and backup depth.

That would be a good thing.

...going back before the draft. I'm not at all surprised given the scary inexperience among our current group. Lots of potential and athletic ability but not a single proven commodity and no veteran leadership. If this gets done as expected it's a smart and solid signing.

Miles is bigger, faster in the 10 and 40.

Let's hope he makes us forget about Will Hill.

In comment 12371916 Eric from BBI said:

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I'm hoping the guys we have do better (and think they will).

That may be, but nothing wrong with having a player who's actually taken snaps & also knows the D.

input on us picking up Miles since he coached this guy in Baltimore and if he wasn't a decent player why would Spags even want him for his defense.....

In comment 12372599 Jersey55 said:

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input on us picking up Miles since he coached this guy in Baltimore and if he wasn't a decent player why would Spags even want him for his defense.....

One of the reasons some of us wanted him here when FA began

Bad news - career backup except for some games last year.

More good news- I read he did ok in those games he started.

Isn't perfect, but they had him graded out as the 14th best Safety in the entire NFL. Had a positive grade in every game that he played 30+ snaps. Also had 5 special teams tackles & a blocked FG.

Says he outperformed Will Hill, Darian Stewart & 1st round pick Matt Elam. He's a true FS & probably the best fit to start next to Landon Collins.
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Spags knows what this guys about even if I don't

Ravens fans don't seem to be happy about this. They wanted him back at the very least for depth and ST play.
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Should at a minimum help in camp. Most experienced safety on the roster.

The rest will be competing with each other for 3 safety and backup time.

In comment 12372737 Big Rick in FL said:

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Says he outperformed Will Hill, Darian Stewart & 1st round pick Matt Elam.

^ Some of us were saying this months ago.

But...but...he only started 3 games! He must suck right? :p

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In comment 12372737 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: Says he outperformed Will Hill, Darian Stewart & 1st round pick Matt Elam. ^ Some of us were saying this months ago. But...but...he only started 3 games! He must suck right? :p

This kind of hopeful exuberance over a guy who will not make the opening day roster can only be exhibited on BBI !!! I love it.

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This kind of hopeful exuberance over a guy who will not make the opening day roster can only be exhibited on BBI !!! I love it.

Gotta love people who spout opinions about a player they know nothing about.

He's not going to make the roster? He will make it on special teams alone. He will compete with Taylor and Berhe for the starting slot. I would be shocked if those 3 are not all on the roster along with Collins.

You are making a complete fool of yourself. You are clueless.

Blue Lou and 2ndRound KO-

Thanks for the kind words and remembering my post. Hopefully he is as positive an addition as we all hope.

And Jon C. - you remember correctly. I am an eternal optimist. The Y27 changed to Y28 after the Yankees won #27.
Hope to be changing my BBI handle to Y29 around November 1st !!!

Good summer wishes to all

In comment 12372748 giantgiantfan said:

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Spags knows what this guys about even if I don't

exactly, if Spags didn't think this guy could help we would never have signed him, just another experienced player at a position of need....

but didn't we use three corners and three safeties a lot a couple of years ago? Can't remember if it was successful? If so, maybe that's the reason to stock up on guys like Miles.