BBI is truly a great site and we have extremely loyal, passionate and intelligent fans and members. I am a life long fan as many are on here. I am a third generation fan dating back to my Grandfather.
What does aggravate me are the fans that have short term memory loss. This team (Coughlin and Eli) have given us TWO once in a lifetime Super Bowl runs and Super Bowl victories. Yet we pretty much debate each year whether Coughlin will/should get fired. We debate on whether Eli should get his extension. For Giants fans who have suffered years without winning, suffered years without a championship winning in '86 was the most incredible feeling. Winning in '90 was just as exilerating.
There are still NFL franchises that have yet to win a Super Bowl. Yet the coach that was at the helm for 2 of the greatest runs and greatest upset is on his way out the door? Is sports just a snapshot of reality in this throw away world?
I still don't forgive Coughlin for getting Cruz hurt last year!
Just the way it is...
But I also disagree with things and think we should have been consistently better the past few years with a QB like Eli taking every snap. I can't have blind faith and look at things through blue colored glasses the way a lot of fans here do. I just don't have it in me. I don't like telling myself stories. Reese had a rough few years drafting, Coughlin makes stubborn mistakes, etc etc. But none of that changes what they've accomplished. It's been an amazing run that I'm grateful for. I also think there have been years they could have (and should have) done better.
I get it. I want to win each year like we all do. Reality is....we have one of the oldest franchises in sports and we have less than 10 championships. Winning it all is rare. We have a proven coach who has the passion and enthusiasm of a coach half his age. A coach with morals and family values. A coach who I am proud of to represent our franchise!
Think about what you just wrote and picture being a Giants fan during the drought in the 70's? Losing is what makes winning that much sweeter!!! Hopefully we don't have a long drought before our next championship!!!! Coughlin and Eli deserve one more for all the BS they have to put up with not only from the press but from their own fan base!
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The Giants had many years where they were far from being competitive. Yes, it sucks losing, but when you knew you had nothing going into game after game, that is the worst feeling as a fan. We are not remotely close to that
Even QBs have a ticking clock, and Eli has endured some brutal hits over the years, with the tattered OL we've sent out recently.
Likely difficult to get Condon on that page.
Having said that, I don't think there's anything wrong with debating whether or not the oldest coach in the NFL and a 34 year old quarterback are worth extending. I'm personally (STRONGLY) on the side that Manning and Coughlin are not the problem, but absolutely the solution.
But we've had a really, really tough stretch the last 3-4 years. I think the debate on our quarterback and head coach is healthy, if not entirely necessary.
I'm of the same camp. I also spend and have spent a lot of money for the enjoyment of watching and rooting for my team to do well. These last few years of not making the playoffs is hurtful. Like when my high school sweetheart broke up with me! At least put a competitive team on the field.
Too many times I've read how this draft choice has a great up side or can be great on special teams. Bull! I want guys who are going to be able to play and contribute. Not be on the practice squad and develope. Robinson, Sintim and Beckum to name a few. (Sorry for wrong spelling). The last couple of drafts have been better. Also I rather lose a guy a year early (Tuck and maybe Rolle) rather than a year late (Snee and Diehl).
What pisses me off the most are these guys that make millions of dollars a year.. more than the average guys like us will make in a lifetime. And they throw it away. Blow off their hand (fingers) or shoot themselves in the leg or get suspended for use an illegal substance.
BTW I've been a season ticket holder since 75 so I've been through the tough times. I seen the burning of tickets. Was at 'The fumble' game. Did you go to the Yale bowl and watch them lose all the time? I don't root for those other sorry ass franchises. I root for the NEW YOEK GIANTS. I expect a better than average team EVERY year!
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This team has been one of the most successful franchises in football from the early 80's on. Very few teams can match their success from Parcells through Coughlin.
Let's say you did the same for any of these other teams - the Bears, the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Redskins, the Browns, the Texans, the Bengals, the Rams, the Vikings, the Raiders, the Chargers, the Falcons, the Bills, the Panthers to name a few -- what makes you different than the fans of any of these other teams, some of which haven't won a Super Bowl -- with 32 teams to contend with having a winning record consistently and winning an occasional Super Bowl is really a fleeting moment that you have to savor -- the NFL system requires that there are teams that will lose and teams that will win - the Giants being in a down cycle for a few years may be painful -- but we have great memories -- and the team will certainly return to glory - there is every indication of that. Are you owed a winning season every year as opposed to the other teams in the NFL?
I don't believe that two superbowls means a free pass. We should be more competitive in those down years rather than feast or famine.
However, that's playing devil's advocate. In my opinion, Eli and Coughlin can do whatever they want - they earned that. They gave me two recent superbowls to enjoy with my dad (3 that I remember and a 4th that I only have snapshots of). They're good people. That means a lot to me, especially as a social worker who preaches role model stuff to kids. While there's room for constructive criticism (because some of the player moves have seemed pretty knuckleheaded), it blows my mind that anyone could throw this group under the bus. Eli and Coughlin are the business!
I still have that super bowl glow but definitely feel like our "biological clock" is ticking *stomp stomp stomp*
Even the great ones, like Landry, Noll and Shula, had their runs come to an end......we always say, it's better to let a player go one year early, that one year late......
Eli is not on his downside yet......give him an OL and some weapons, and he still has magic.....I love TC and what he has done for this organization....yes, 2 SB's.....yet, you get the feeling there should have been more.....poor game planning, hanging onto coaches and players to long, the team not showing up for games, striving to maintain "balance" rather than wins, playing vets when others should be in there, long losing streaks,etc.
Tom is getting up there in age.....it's kind of a win or you are out season, for him.....personally, I hope he goes out on a winning note....
You just described me right there and to the person with the follow up post... no we don't need to win it all every year. Just be competitive. Making the playoffs would be nice even if we do lose in the first round.
To the person who made the comment about the horrible years especially back in the 70's..... I was there. My father was paying for the tickets back then but I did endure the pain of those horrible Giants teams. The difference though is that the tickets in comparison were much less expensive and there was no seat license. You could also bring your own drinks into the game. Even a thermos full of hot chocolate if it was a cold day. Even parking was much much cheaper.
in the 60s through 80s, try imagining yourself as a Browns fan for the past 40 years! Jim Brown, we turn our lonely eyes to you! Now, that is what I call real suffering. Four Superbowl wins in the last 30 years should be appreciated. It is perfectly alright to bellyache about the mistakes that Giant management and players make, but do not forget that young men often exhibit bad judgement and that even mature ones, like ourselves, are not perfect. I feel fortunate to be a Giant fan.
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You paid $20,000 for your seat license. Then you pay $150 a ticket to see the games. If you get hungry or thirsty at the stadium, well, pony up a king's ransom for a hot dog and a beer. All this to watch your team play. Now the team is losing the game 24-0 and are about to drop to 4-12. But, you're going to say, "No problem. The team won a Super Bowl 4 years ago!
You just described me right there and to the person with the follow up post... no we don't need to win it all every year. Just be competitive. Making the playoffs would be nice even if we do lose in the first round.
To the person who made the comment about the horrible years especially back in the 70's..... I was there. My father was paying for the tickets back then but I did endure the pain of those horrible Giants teams. The difference though is that the tickets in comparison were much less expensive and there was no seat license. You could also bring your own drinks into the game. Even a thermos full of hot chocolate if it was a cold day. Even parking was much much cheaper.
You can also probably see Giant Stadium from your 2.48 million dollar penthouse on the Upper West Side on a clear day. I understand your point of view though. It is
"I paid for it"!
Good luck in your life. May you never know pain, frustration, or loss.
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You can also probably see Giant Stadium from your 2.48 million dollar penthouse on the Upper West Side on a clear day. I understand your point of view though. It is
"I paid for it"!
Good luck in your life. May you never know pain, frustration, or loss.
I don't know WTF you are talking about. So, because I have expensive PSL's I am wealthy and that I am not a common fan? That I don't know what it is like to work for the ticekts? I don't owe you this explanation jackass but you are going to get it. My father had seats since 1948 and he happened to get some in a prime location in the old Giants stadium. Going to the games in our station wagon with rusted out floors was what my father and I had together. That was what we had in common. After he passed in 2002 that was the end. Once the new stadium was built I could not let that tradition die (now me taking my son) and scratched up as much as I could and then borrowed some.
So, go fuck yourself.
the players. That is players remained with the team longer such as Gifford,Rote,Webster,Stroud,Katcavage and even LT,Morris, or Bavarro until he got injured.
Today, with FA its tougher for a head coach to win while losing outstanding players ,( who want the money ) and try to develop a winner .
So because of all that, we as fans are supposed to endure shitty seasons because "hey, it could be worse." You can not say anything negative about the GM, coach or players. You can't expect better performance from your favorite team because they did great a few years ago.
It's that kind of bullshit logic that gets to me.
Take Baseball ... if the Yankees or Mets (or any other team) loses - you can have up to 5-6 games IN THE SAME WEEK!!! .... to get it back. A win or loss in the NFL is precious find because, we know in a 16 week season that 1 win/loss can mean something. It carries much more of an emotional high (or low).
Some fans forget how hard it takes to win a championship (see Philly Eagles) ... This regime has given us 2 HOF championship runs. Hell, you are not even suppose to make the playoffs with a 9-7 record (2011) .... never mind win the whole thing.
That is part of the problem .. TC and Eli have proven they can do it - so when the don't do it .... it becomes "WTF" very quickly.
Breathe.
It's that kind of bullshit logic that gets to me.
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He already does bear the responsibility for that. But why is firing him a synonym for him "bearing responsibility"?
At this point we all know what Coughlin is and isn't. If his age and energy level isn't in question (for the people on the inside to judge), then I think we are way past the point of judging him on a season. 2015 shouldn't be a decider on if he's still here in 2016. If I'm the front office I've already made my decision on whether or not he's here for a few more years.
Personally I'd keep him until he quits. He's a good man and stands for good things, and he's won more titles than any coach since he got here. Keep him and think about McAdoo behind the scenes after Coughlin leaves.
"I paid for it"!
I don't know WTF you are talking about. So, because I have expensive PSL's I am wealthy and that I am not a common fan? That I don't know what it is like to work for the ticekts? I don't owe you this explanation jackass but you are going to get it. My father had seats since 1948 and he happened to get some in a prime location in the old Giants stadium. Going to the games in our station wagon with rusted out floors was what my father and I had together. That was what we had in common. After he passed in 2002 that was the end. Once the new stadium was built I could not let that tradition die (now me taking my son) and scratched up as much as I could and then borrowed some.
So, go fuck yourself.
Eric:
It seems that I have inadvertently pushed a button for you. My point was that we Giant fans should appreciate the good times we have had. We are not automatically entitled to them. I have a friend who to my knowledge is the only Cleveland Browns fan in our town. She, who also went to games with her father, is still waiting for the reincarnation of Otto Graham.