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In ESPN's 2015 quarterback rankings, Manning is tied for 12th with Detroit's Matthew Stafford. He's one spot behind Atlanta's Matt Ryan and one ahead of Carolina's Cam Newton in "Tier 2." This isn't writer Mike Sando's opinion either. He polled 35 league insiders to come up with these results. His panel included general managers, personnel directors, head coaches, coordinators, etc. Impressive stuff. |
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Best PFF Grades on 3-Step Dropbacks in 2014: 1. Eli Manning 2. Matt Ryan 3. Tom Brady |
I agree. If they can be average, I think Eli could be 2011-like. Maybe the yards won't be as great because I think the team will have a running game, but his overall game could be superior.
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Eli's best year if that line can be serviceable.
I agree. If they can be average, I think Eli could be 2011-like. Maybe the yards won't be as great because I think the team will have a running game, but his overall game could be superior.
As long as TC doesn't force the running game when it's not there as he's prone to do.
And league insiders? Like who -- John Clueless Clayton?
And I love when Eli plays great football and all his critics have to talk about how good he is
I think it is fair to say the Eli belongs in the tier below those guys. They have him grouped in tier 2 with Rivers, Romo, Flacco, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, and Newton. Seems about right to me.
IMO, the tier divisions are solid, but the rankings within the tiers are pretty arbitrary. I like how the divide between tier 2 and tier 3 makes a very clear "Above this line, your team might have a shot of winning it all; below it, they do not."
Brett F. for me has that title. In the article they call Eli an interception machine. If that's the case, what the fuck is Brett F.? But then again, we call him a "gun slinger" instead. Sounds better I guess.
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"I've seen him play some bad football," a head coach said.
I've seen every QB in the NFL "play some bad football." Just an empty quote that says little.
The thing is, once he developed that reputation as truly great QB, it never changed over the years as his career waxed and waned. His performance grew much more uneven. He put up a few seasons here and there that were at least close to his prime years, but a lot of mediocre ones too, and he really started to throw bad picks at crucial times more and more.....yet it never really stuck as a criticism until very late in his career.
If you just look at the tier groupings, it's pretty solid.
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But with Brett, it's all about the gunslinger, Mississippi bred, Wranglers wearing dude image.
I'm still convinced Peter King writes his columns in a Favre jersey.
Yeah, just like in 2011! Oh.....wait a minute.....
Ben Roethlisberger sure has achieved a lot without a defense, hasn't he? It's been such a struggle for him to overcome those, um, consistently top-10 ranked Steelers defenses.
The thing is, once he developed that reputation as truly great QB, it never changed over the years as his career waxed and waned. His performance grew much more uneven. He put up a few seasons here and there that were at least close to his prime years, but a lot of mediocre ones too, and he really started to throw bad picks at crucial times more and more.....yet it never really stuck as a criticism until very late in his career.
He had bone headed decisions just like Eli has at times. Those resulted in INTs. The things he did he was able to do because of his strong arm, such as throw across his body to the opposite side of the field while headed in one direction.
But it's funny how they don't talk about INTs. He is the all time leader in INTs and led the league 3 times just like Eli. Yet Eli is an int machine and Brett F. is a gun slinger.
I couldn't stand Brett F has a QB. Most over rated QB.
I think Eli's 2011 was one of the most underrated seasons an athlete I've closely followed has ever had. Even here, some downplay how bad that OL was.
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Brett F. for me has that title. In the article they call Eli an interception machine. If that's the case, what the fuck is Brett F.? But then again, we call him a "gun slinger" instead. Sounds better I guess.
Of all time? That was locked in by Joe Namath a long time ago. Not only over rated, but the biggest douche bag too.
I get why Rodgers had to win MVP that year, but for Eli not to get tangible consideration was ridiculous. The team got better in the post-season, but Eli dragged that team to a positive record in the regular season.
It's amazing that Aaron Rogers turned out to be amazing. I was always curious to see what Brett F would have said if Rodgers sucked. Then wanting to go to the Vikings just to stick it to the Packers. He seems like a douche bag.
To me, it seems like he's not graded with the same considerations that other QBs are. Look at that quote on Roethlisburger...talk about his lackluster D, limited options at receiver, etc. When have we ever seen an article on Eli that takes into account the recently poor OL? Or how he's spent much of his career in an offense that allows others mistakes to reflect poorly on him? IMO most people have had their mind made up about Eli since his rookie year, and they cherry pick stats and other things to support a position they already have rather than taking into account the entire body of work and forming an opinion.
Kind of an ironic statement to say when they have Russell Wilson rated higher.
Whatever - subjective lists are no big deal...two rings are.
If Rodgers had a good defense he probably has 2-3 rings by now. And the packers org is as well run and oiled as any. It's just hard building a good all around team in the NFL even harder to sustain one.
I think Eli's 2011 was one of the most underrated seasons an athlete I've closely followed has ever had. Even here, some downplay how bad that OL was.
That year was the NFL equivalent of a goalie standing on his head.
2004: 17th in points, 13th in yardage
2005: 14, 24
2006: 24, 25
2007: 17, 7
2008: 5, 5
2009: 30, 13
2010: 17, 7
2011: 25, 27
2012: 12, 31
2013: 18, 8
2014: 22, 29
For most of his career, the Giants have had weak defenses.
Agree 100%. I think they thought they'd be able to assemble an above average line the way they built the 07 line. Having guys like Diehl and O'Hara may have convinced them that they'd get similar results from guys like John Jerry, Mitch Petrus, or Eric Herman. Clearly not the case...