Eli Manning finishes 12th in ESPN QB rankings

have pretty interesting careers so far statistically.

Favre: 508 TDs and 336 Ints in 10,169 attempts
Manning: 259 TDs and 185 Ints in 5,609 attempts

That's a 4.62% TD percentage for Eli and a 5.00% for Favre while both have thrown a 3.30% Int percentage.

Also Favre and Eli have thrown 7.09 and 7.06 yards per attempt respectively.

One can make the argument I guess that Favre played in a much less offensively focused NFL, but he did play in a much more modern system for most of his career unlike Eli.

The main difference, of course, was the fact that Favre's peak years were much better than Eli's (outside of 2011).

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Regardless though, it's just interesting to see how similar their stats were even though they're often placed in different stratospheres by fans and peers at times for how good they are.

that it's just not possible to develop an accurate and fair assement of an athlete without watching them play for a reasonable amount of time. To the box score scout that may see a few plays each week but has their opinion overwhelmingly skewed by statistical trends observed and wins/losses it is very easy to ignore context.

To the casual NFL fan Eli Manning remains a good quarterback who is chronically prone to turning the ball over and just happened to get hot at the right time, this while playing across from a dominant defensive line. To us fans who follow the Giants religiously we know as much to take into account the downfield aerial offense of Kevin Gilbride, the option-routes which produce turnovers, the poor offensive lines, the lack of a running game, the deterioration of the defense, and an oft-injured receiver corps.

Can Kaepernick operate within the pocket? Did Brian Hoyer morph into a good quarterback for eight games in Cleveland? Why would the Rams trade a rookie back that almost ran for 1000 yards behind a poor line? I'm sure in each of these fanbases the informed are shaking their heads at what they perceive to be our false perception of the situation.

But I wonder sometimes if he's too confident in his own abilities, because he seems to gamble on players that other teams don't seem to value particularly highly, and a lot of those gambles have failed. Baas is a good example. The contract the Giants gave him shocked a lot of people. The Niners didn't particularly want to keep him, and he wasn't exactly hotly pursued by the rest of the league. For whatever reason, Reese really liked him and believed he was a much better player than he actually was.

In a lot of ways, we've kind of had a perfect storm of missed talent evaluations and rotten luck. So many FA moves and draft picks have flopped, and so many of the ones that did work out well were ruined by catastrophic injuries.

• Tier 1 quarterbacks can carry their teams week after week and contend for championships without as much help.

• Tier 2 QBs are less consistent and need more help, but good enough to figure prominently into a championship equation.

• Tier 3 are quarterbacks who are good enough to start but need lots of support, making it tougher to contend at the highest level.

• Tier 4 is typically reserved for unproven starters or those who might not be expected to last in the lineup all season. Voters used the fifth tier sparingly.

Tier 5 had no explanation. But its a safe bet it is reserved for the worst of the worst.

So if you base it on that criteria, Eli I think is graded properly.

The order I believe was done on a point system based on the votes cast. For example, Brees got an overall score of 1.49, right in between the Tier 1 and 2 line.

Was truly elite. He played at a level in his prime that very few match. Eli has never come close to it.

I don't know why you put Ben in tier 1.

In comment 12380609 Carl in CT said:

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I don't know why you put Ben in tier 1.

I think I know where it's coming from thinking it over. It's not totally unfair.

I get why Eli would be in tier 2. But what the hell have the Matts (Stafford and Ryan) accomplished? And I no longer believe Brees is a tier 1, but a 2 at this point. JMHO...

in anything BSPN says regarding the New York Giants. I do not read anything that they put out there. They never stop coming up with ways to downgrade the team.

with 41 TD's, 18 INT's and 4800 yards in this offense. Vereen out of the backfield and OBJ are open all day. Add Randle, Cruz and TE play, someone will get single coverage. Running game will be 100 yards per game again while Eli will average 300 per game.

Anybody wants to go to war with Matt Ryan against me and Eli bring it on.

- Jerry Reese.

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"Manning needs a combination of running game and defense to succeed. There is no shame in that, but it's what separates the best from the good enough."

Eli won 2 SB's with a much weaker supporting cast in all 3 phases than any of the "Tier 1" guys..

BSPN at its finest..


And keep in mind a year ago at this time Raanan wrote an article saying he would trade Eli for Nick Foles...

In comment 12380821 dcp said:

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with 41 TD's, 18 INT's and 4800 yards in this offense. Vereen out of the backfield and OBJ are open all day. Add Randle, Cruz and TE play, someone will get single coverage. Running game will be 100 yards per game again while Eli will average 300 per game.

It will be his best year so far