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Entering Year 6 of MetLife Stadium- How is it doing?

Matt in SGS : 7/22/2015 10:11 am
Hard to believe that going into 2015 we will be entering the 6th year of MetLife Stadium. I know that we have gone over the good and the bad about it in the past, but I'm hoping to talk about what can be done better now that we should consider it to be "broken in" at this point.

We are getting ready for a new season, so let's try to start positive.

The Good:
- I like the several points of entry/exits. As much as I liked the classic spirals of Giants Stadium, as I now take my 2 kids to the game, having more options to get in and out is a big plus.
- Food options are better
- The Legacy Club offers a good opportunity to see the Trophies and interactive history of the team. It makes for a nice stopping point before the game to take people who have never been there before.
- The 4 screens by the field give more options for viewing replays
- Stadium shop is pretty nice (if pricey)
- You feel "closer" to the field in the new Stadium. They reduced more space from the out of bounds areas to the stands. I know that in my seats in Giants Stadium, I was in row 11 in the end zone. My current seats are row 19, but I'm actually closer to the field the way the stadium is set up. Or maybe it's an optical illusion and I'm just stupid.
- Stadium lights up at night to reflect the color of the home team that week (Giants blue/ Jets green)
- Cup Holders! Yes, something so simple yet effective. I've lost too many drinks to count in Giants Stadium setting my drink down on the floor and either knocking it over myself or someone coming through the aisle.

What's not so good:

- Hate the dark grey/light grey color scheme. I liked the old red seats. But I get that in a stadium with 2 teams, there was compromise, but still just feels bland as hell.
- No real advantage to the elements anymore. The old stadium had character and once it turned to November and got cold, the winds would swirl around and Giants Stadium became impossible to throw against the wind. The Giants would build their team around it. In MetLife, maybe it's because of all the different exits, but the former wind tunnel effects are kind of gone now.
- To that point, the Stadium isn't as loud anymore. I know that we can go after the fans sitting on their hands, the down in front crowd, the PSLs killing off the ability for the diehards to come every week because they will sell to recoup $$, etc. But I think it goes beyond that. Something seems off in the acoustics of the place. I'm not an engineer so I couldn't begin to say if this is a structural thing. But at least from my experience in being in Giants Stadium from 1987-2009 and now 5 years of MetLife, the old stadium seemed louder.
- WIFI- At least MetLife decided to honor Giants Stadium by essentially not having functional WIFI. However, since Giants Stadium never offered WIFI and it has been packaged as a plus to season ticket holders is kind of a problem, especially in 2015. I hope the Giants or the NJ Sports Authority have this fixed coming into this year. And I'm not talking about the jackasses goofing around on Facebook looking at their friend's feed. I can't stand the fans that come to the game who don't know what's going on. I remember going to a game a few years ago and this one guy behind us was curious why the Giants came on to punt and my then 6 year old turned to him and said "because it's 4th and 10, of course they have to punt" (ps- no it wasn't Mook or DCPollaro). I actually want the WIFI in place because there are supposed to be perks to downloading the Giants app to see different camera angles during the game, replays, etc. Also, and maybe this is my fault, I actually like to check in on the BBI game thread to see if there was something I missed (ie- an injury). Taking a peek at my fantasy team during timeouts doesn't hurt either. Point is, the WIFI is barely functional during warmups when the crowd hasn't filed in, and pretty much dies as soon as the game starts as the fans get to their seats.

I know there are things which are in place because they had to collaborate with the Jets and with that comes problems. But I'm hoping that the Giants can make some of these things better from a fan perspective to go to the games. The NFL is going to have a very big problem in coming years having fans come out to the games as the home experience has gotten better (bigger HDTVs, no traffic, ticket expenses, etc.) that they need to find a better way to incentivise fans that come to the games. Yes, I love the feel of walking through the parking lot to get to the game, seeing all the tailgates, being there in the crowd when there is a big play, etc. But I also know a lot of season ticket holders who (granted some are getting older), would just assume go to a couple of handpicked games and then sell the rest.

Any other thoughts on what can be done to make it better in 2015?
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I would say my number 1 complaint is the WIFI at this point  
cjac : 7/22/2015 11:06 am : link
They also do a poor job with Replays in my opinion, but the fact that they cant get a working WIFI in the building is maddening. They know 95% of the people there play fantasy football and want to look at that during TV timeouts.
Parking and Exiting Stadium  
Gossler1 : 7/22/2015 11:13 am : link
Are by far the two biggest improvements. Exiting from the 100 section takes less than half the time it did in the old stadium.

Other improvements:

-better bathrooms
-the video boards outside the stadium are nice for watching 1pm games when the Giants play at 4.

Upper Deck  
Mendenhall : 7/22/2015 11:20 am : link
view is absolutely horrible compared to the old stadium. Nothing can be done about it but they really stuck it to us.
From my perspective, it is not an improvement over the old building  
Bluenatic : 7/22/2015 11:43 am : link
I was one of the few who really loved Giants Stadium.
Seats are too close together  
Giants2012 : 7/22/2015 11:52 am : link
Broad shoulders are squeezed together between seats in lower deck.

The stadium experience is dull whereas Giants stadium quite the opposite. They botched this stadium.
Second to last row of the stadium  
weeg in the bronx : 7/22/2015 11:54 am : link
The parking sucks. The tale of two cities style parking blows given that unless you arrive two hours before game time, you may well be diverted to the other side of the stadium while lots close to stadium are empty.
Not enough port o johns in the out lying lots either. I park in K2, there is a single pisser for the lot. How cheap can you be?
Getting in sucks. Its built post 9/11, they should have access and staff to get people in quickly without.
Getting to the second to last row sucks once I am in as does getting down. One set of escalators peer gate to serve the whole stadium? The architect should lose his license. I'd love to see the egress analysis submitted to the building department, it must have included a blank check.
I have been to half a dozen of the newer stadium, I like out the least.
RE: .  
NoPeanutz : 7/22/2015 11:58 am : link
In comment 12380264 Go Terps said:
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I think it's a microcosm of the NFL itself: highly functional yet dull and homogenized. I've been to FedEx, M&T Bank, Lincoln Financial Field...the experiences at those stadiums is indistinguishable from MetLife (and how about those corporate names!). I went to a soccer game in Seattle's stadium last fall...after that experience the architectural shortcomings of MetLife really stood out to me. By comparison to CenturyLink Field MetLife seems like a Soviet-era monolith that should be rusting in Chernobyl.

I also find the lit exterior of MetLife to be highly disappointing. When I heard of the concept I was expecting what we see in Munich with the Allianz Arena:



MetLife by comparison:



I have no complaints with ingress/egress (I got out from one of the top rows of the upper deck in 10 minutes using the stairs), concourses, food, etc. But it's a dull place that may as well be any of the other dull places the NFL is played. A big part of the dullness is probably the crowd...you get the sense that a lot of good fans were either priced out or forced to sell their tickets to out of towners.


The whole stadium cost 1.7B to build. but they went cheap on the colored exterior lighting on game day, probably saved a few thousand bucks. smh
RE: From my perspective, it is not an improvement over the old building  
ron mexico : 7/22/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12380411 Bluenatic said:
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I was one of the few who really loved Giants Stadium.


one of the few?

Everyone loved that stadium

I get choked up every time I hear Bruce's "Wrecking Ball"
I don't care for it.  
beatrixkiddo : 7/22/2015 12:16 pm : link
Only went to one game at the old Giants Stadium, but it was much better. Metlife is just so damn bland and lifeless, you don't get the feel like your in the House of the Giants. It feels like your in some civic center honestly, and it's so damn expensive.

I'm honestly done going to games there unless I can get a really sweet deal on tickets. I've been to 5 games there and the Giants only won one of them. Best part is always tailgating, which I feel is still pretty decent.
Well....  
Bluenatic : 7/22/2015 12:16 pm : link
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Everyone loved that stadium


That may be true, but around the time of the stadium's demolition and the building of Met Life there was a distinct lack of voices publicly lamenting its loss.

Frankly, I was one of the only writers to post something resembling a eulogy.
Bluenatic: The Wrecking Ball Can Wait - ( New Window )
the Wifi is absolutely awful  
MookGiants : 7/22/2015 12:21 pm : link
I remember when the stadium was being built articles were coming out about how the stadium was going to be the most technologically advanced in the country. Wifi for everyone, good cell service, etc. It's a train wreck in that regard.

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The New Meadowlands Stadium today showcased innovative new stadium technologies designed to seamlessly transform the look and feel of the venue to host both New York Giants and New York Jets games, as well as other sporting and entertainment events. The New Meadowlands is implementing technologies from Cisco and Verizon to offer stadium sports fans and entertainment followers leading-edge custom digital video and wireless content, showcasing one of the most technologically advanced and memorable experiences in sports and entertainment.

With a seating capacity of 82,500, New Meadowlands Stadium is equipped with four massive high-definition (HD) video display scoreboards and more than 2,200 HD video displays located throughout the facility – all designed to provide fans with access to the game virtually anywhere in the venue. All of the 2,200 video displays are powered by the latest release of Cisco StadiumVision™, an innovative digital video and content distribution system that centrally controls and delivers customized sports and entertainment experiences, advertising, promotions and general venue information to meet the needs of fans and patrons at the facility.

During sporting events, Cisco StadiumVision technology will present live game footage, team trivia, news and weather information. It is also flexibly designed to allow New Meadowlands stadium operators to change the entire color scheme, content and team branding from Giants blue to Jets green with the push of a few buttons. This same flexible offering can be easily adapted to accommodate concerts, conferences and other unique sporting events hosted at the stadium.

Verizon is teaming with Cisco to bring 34 channels of customized HD content into the stadium allowing fans to view multiple games and other content at the same time in select areas of the facility. In addition, Verizon will install throughout the stadium a comprehensive wireless network designed to accommodate fan access to relevant sports and entertainment content.

The Giants and Jets are working with Verizon Wireless to offer fans mobile apps that feature concessions information, team news, player information, scores and highlights, as well as alerts and text messaging. The Jets and Giants will be among the first to offer these team specific applications to their fans in the fall, complementing the NFL Mobile app available only from Verizon Wireless.


That was from 2010. 5 years later it still sucks balls.
I've been to 42 games at MLS, and sat all over the place.  
ballanda : 7/22/2015 12:42 pm : link
- Mezz and upper level as so far from the field, but that's every stadium now... there's no overhang anywhere anymore. I don't get why. It's dumb.

- Stairs are the way to go up and down. I take the gate in on the 50 yard line, then the escalator up to the main concourse. Then straight to the stairs. It's a workout, but who here couldn't use one after a tailgate party?

- Who needs toilets in the parking lot? I either piss behind the trees by Rt.3, or pull a double-door-trick (open front and back car doors, and let it rip)!

- WiFi is a complete embarrassment. But the LTE service has made huge improvements since the first few years.

- I'm still happy that I no longer have to deal with the bitchy old man who sat next to me for 11 years at Giants Stadium calling the coach "COG-lin" and second guessing everything.
Quite plainly, it sucks  
Matt M. : 7/22/2015 12:42 pm : link
The concourses may be wider, but there isn't more legroom in the seats...at least no in the upper tier. Speaking of the upper tier, the seats are now higher and further away from the action, making it difficult to watch all the action. Even in the upper tier of the old stadium, you were able to see just about everything pretty well.

The whole design sucks balls. The grey seats are dull. the lack of LCD lighting outside in a stadium that expensive is ridiculous. they actually have to manually change colored discs over the lights outside to match the event. The Giants had a cheaper and more classic design ready to go. the Jets came on board and the design changed to this tin can and the costs nearly doubled. i can understand compromising on the look, but how the Hell did the price tag nearly double...and for this design?

The PSL and ticket prices way too high. More importantly, why are there different costs for the two fan bases? The seats aren't different. The two teams are equal partners. So, the seats should cost the same for both fans.
The WiFi situation is ridiculous  
jcn56 : 7/22/2015 1:33 pm : link
I don't know if it's incompetence or a cost issue (not spending enough to build out the backbone and supporting radio network), but it's not good.

In fact, there's not much to like about the new stadium. It's more expensive, the sightlines are worse just about all the way around, it's drab.

After initially missing out on all but the end zone uppers, I was happy when someone called (private party) to offer me a decent upper level ticket on the 20, but that went out the window after I sat in them once. You could barely make out the field. I passed, and haven't regretted it since.
There's a deeper fundamental problem though,  
Go Terps : 7/22/2015 1:44 pm : link
it's that the stadium experience has been degraded across the league. It's telling that a lot of the comments here have to do with things other than the view of the action on the field.

If I were charged with long range planning for the NFL, this would be at the top of my list of threats to the long term success of the league. It's not crazy to envision a future with stadiums that are half full or worse.

One solution may be to construct smaller stadiums. However now that the NFL's 20 year program of using Los Angeles as a threat to get new stadiums built leaguewide is coming to an end, this will be an interesting challenge for them going forward.
RE: I would say my number 1 complaint is the WIFI at this point  
BigBlueinChicago : 7/22/2015 1:48 pm : link
In comment 12380329 cjac said:
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They also do a poor job with Replays in my opinion, but the fact that they cant get a working WIFI in the building is maddening. They know 95% of the people there play fantasy football and want to look at that during TV timeouts.


Definitely the WiFI situation needs fixing. Though, if you are in the Chase Club where I sit for some other events there, the service works just fine.

The overall cell phone service has been odd. I think it's because of the seating and the metallic, but I could be wrong. I remember trying to send a pic and text during the game and had a hard time getting through. But when I got to the concourse area a few feet away, everything was fine.
I don't get people who desperately need wifi at a football game  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2015 1:48 pm : link
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RE: I don't get people who desperately need wifi at a football game  
MookGiants : 7/22/2015 1:51 pm : link
In comment 12380652 Greg from LI said:
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There is an insane amount of down time when you're at a game. When you're home when it goes on commercial you can quickly flip the channel to another game. Those at the game can't do that. When you're home you can check scores easily during that time.

I don't play fantasy football anymore but I do like during tv timeouts to be able to check scores. I also like to read BBI if there's a controversial play or to get injury updates.

They marketed how good it would be when they were trying to get people to buy PSL's and they failed to deliver.
RE: I don't get people who desperately need wifi at a football game  
Go Terps : 7/22/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12380652 Greg from LI said:
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I don't either. But I also don't get wanting giant tvs over each end zone, stands that sell $13 IPAs, or swimming pools overlooking the field. It goes back to the fans needing to be distracted from the basic fact that TV has made attending a football game very boring.
at home  
MookGiants : 7/22/2015 1:56 pm : link
do you just sit there with your thumb up your ass during timeouts? Or do you flip the station, check out other games, check on scores? That's why people want Wifi during the game.
I am a season ticekt holder since Giants Stadium...  
BC Eagles94 : 7/22/2015 1:59 pm : link
and I agree with what most have posted. I prefer my old seats and the old stadium, not even taking into account the PSLs. When you factor in the the 16k I paid in PSLs, then it is not even close.

The only improvement in new stadium I give a damn about is the jumbotrons. That's it. Improved concessions? Who cares. I tailgate for hours before any game I go to, I don't touch food once in. And since I drive, I usually don't even have a beer either. Escalators are terrible compared the single shot escaltors at old stadium. Stadium is all grey and drab, barely feels like Giants home field.

One thing I do disagree with is the "distance" from the field. I am mezzanine in the same exact seats as old stadium (cornerish end zone). I did however move up two rows from 7 to 5. But I certainly find them closer to the field.

Another big negative I haven't seen mentioned is the seats are SMALLER! At the old stadium everyone can sit back comfortably. In my new seats if you are sitting next to any relative broad shouldered guy (and I am small), you can't even sit back comfortably at the same time. That is a joke.

And not having my mezzanine seats covered anymore is a big loss. Was wonderful NEVER having to be worried about getting rained on. Now the only way to be covered is to be way too far back in the mezzanine end zone. So that sucks too.

And Greg in LI, you have NEVER been to the new stadium? No offense, but how is that possible? Sounds like you are local from your handle. And you are obviously a huge fan since you are on BBI, and a frequent poster no less. That baffles me...that a local fan like that can go 5+ years without going to a game.
Greg  
MookGiants : 7/22/2015 2:08 pm : link
isn't a local.

And it's not really baffling that someone in the area wouldn't go to a game in 5 years. A lot of people don't want to go to the games, they like TV experience better. I don't feel that way but it doesn't make them any less of a fan.

And with the cost of tickets and parking/concessions some people simply can't afford it, either.
the fact that  
B in ALB : 7/22/2015 2:25 pm : link
they had an opportunity to do something really special for one of the best cities in the world and such an historic and well respected organization - and they FAILED - is my biggest issue. The stadium looks like a shoe shine can. Architecturally it is an embarrassment, visually it's communist-era monolithic in its appearance, and the Giants SHARE the fucking stadium with a low-rent, trash bag franchise like the Jets. Utterly ridiculous.

I would prefer 100/100 to sit at home in front of the 60" screen on my couch, right next to the kitchen with my shitter close by sharing with no one.
RE: at home  
Go Terps : 7/22/2015 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12380668 MookGiants said:
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do you just sit there with your thumb up your ass during timeouts? Or do you flip the station, check out other games, check on scores? That's why people want Wifi during the game.


But that's my point. There are a million stoppages that completely destroy the experience of watching a game.

The stadium is deeply flawed, but I suspect one could go see the Seahawks play in their gorgeous building and still get a shitty game experience.

Think about the old Giants Stadium. With the possible exception of the sight lines, the old place was inferior in every way. Yet our memories of games there blow the current experience out of the water.

The problem isn't the stadium.
The stoppages aren't the issue  
jcn56 : 7/22/2015 2:47 pm : link
it's halftime, and the time before the game starts that's the biggest problem. For most, I'm assuming WiFi is desirable so they can check fantasy scores/other games in progress. During the game, I'd actually like to see the television broadcast for different angles and replays.

The point being - there's no good reason to not have functioning WiFi. It's a service they advertise offering, and it's really not a service that other venues have trouble providing. Why MetLife can't deliver is beyond me.
Anyone have an idea how long we're stuck with the toaster?  
GMenLTS : 7/22/2015 2:53 pm : link
Because they can't possibly fuck up the next one worse than they did with this one, can they?
RE: Upper Deck  
Del Shofner : 7/22/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12380364 Mendenhall said:
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view is absolutely horrible compared to the old stadium. Nothing can be done about it but they really stuck it to us.


This. As a non-season-ticket-holder who typically sits in the upper deck when I go to a Giants game, I cannot believe how much worse the views are from the upper deck in Met Life compared to the old stadium, where the views from the upper deck were generally very good.
I have been a season ticket holder for 30 years  
Fish : 7/22/2015 3:06 pm : link
through my Dad. He has long since passed but can tell you I miss the old place. The new place is growing on me and thank god it looks more like Giants stadium, a newer version of Giants Stadium. The grey works with the Giants colors. Metlife does not resemble the Jets in anyway, shape or form which is great.
RE: RE: at home  
Matt M. : 7/22/2015 3:10 pm : link
In comment 12380724 Go Terps said:
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In comment 12380668 MookGiants said:


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do you just sit there with your thumb up your ass during timeouts? Or do you flip the station, check out other games, check on scores? That's why people want Wifi during the game.



But that's my point. There are a million stoppages that completely destroy the experience of watching a game.

The stadium is deeply flawed, but I suspect one could go see the Seahawks play in their gorgeous building and still get a shitty game experience.

Think about the old Giants Stadium. With the possible exception of the sight lines, the old place was inferior in every way. Yet our memories of games there blow the current experience out of the water.

The problem isn't the stadium.
For me, the problem is the stadium. I went to two nice giants wins. I didn't enjoy the game experience anywhere near as much as I used to in Giants Stadium for a variety of reasons. Most of them are mentioned here.
GoTerps  
beatrixkiddo : 7/22/2015 3:11 pm : link
I agree with you that the recent trend of all these unnecessary amenities is due to the fact that no sport is better on TV than Football, and its hard to compete.

However, with that I think there are still some key benefits to going to a game you just don't get at home. The game IMO is awesome to watch in person, in real time (easier to follow as it seems slower), Tailgating, plus being part of an experience 80,000 other people are all supposed to be glued too as well (nothing better than a stadium erupting in celebration after a big play, score.

With that said, I think all this gimmicky shit to try and get people in the stadium (Free Wifi, Fancy Concessions, Games, Massive Jumbo Trons, Luxury Box Seats, etc) has actually had the unintended consequence of making the game less enjoyable to be there. Call me a minimalist or whatever, but I would prefer to go to a game like they used to play at the polo grounds, yankee stadium, yale bowl, etc. One where there aren't any distractions, where there is just the fans and football game, that's it.

To make matters even worse, every year it seems they restrict more and more things you can bring with you into the stadium as well, which has only hampered the experience when your extorted into having to pay exorbitant prices for things you could have just brought in with you. It's this reason why when I go to the game, I am always reminded how much easier and more enjoyable it us to just watch the game at home.

RE: Anyone have an idea how long we're stuck with the toaster?  
BigBlue89 : 7/22/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12380746 GMenLTS said:
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Because they can't possibly fuck up the next one worse than they did with this one, can they?


The PSL contract assumes a lifetime of 30 years for the stadium, so 24 more to go. God willing, we'll all be alive for then.
The thing I'm pissed off most about is...  
kinard : 7/22/2015 3:14 pm : link
... the same ongoing parking clusterfuck.

After spending a couple of hours negotiating into the lot with a "blue" pass, you then walk through an almost empty "red" pass lot right next to the stadium. Its crazy because there are never any cars in there.

The selective memory of old Giants Stadium is kind of interesting. Does anyone remember trying to get through the concourse at halftime? It was impossible - by the time you got out to the rings for a smoke, they were already kicking off the second half.

Lower bowl seats are very good in MetLife and that's my big positive. Aesthetically, its awful (almost embarrassing) looking. How they fucked it up so bad is beyond me...
A few more thoughts  
Matt M. : 7/22/2015 3:17 pm : link
1) Personally, I don't care about the WiFi. But, I do think it's embarrassing that they don't offer this amenity in this day and age. It was supposed to be one of the selling points. On top of no WiFi, even with Verizon as a sponsor, there is crappy cell service as well.

2) I have been to two games in the new stadium and it is not really because I would prefer to stay in the comfort of my home. It is cost prohibitive. To take my son, it would cost well over $300 for one game when you factor in food and transportation. I find that ridiculous.

3) The seats and views suck. There is less leg room in this arena. So, I don't give a flying fuck that the concourse is wider. In the upper tier, as jcn pointed out, any seat in the upper tier is worse than the last row of the old stadium. It is that bad. I now turn down some opportunities because on top of the cost, I just don't find it enjoyable to cram into a seat where I can barely see the action.

4) To a lesser degree, I don't find the food options better. I don't think they are worse. But, it is typical stadium fare. Maybe there are terrific options on the lower level or in the clubs. But, in the upper tier, where I have been, there is nothing to get excited over.
Hate it  
Bubba : 7/22/2015 3:27 pm : link
with a passion. I recently posted my PSLs for sale after being (season tickets)in the family for 65 years. It was nothing but a money grab for the owners.
RE: RE: Anyone have an idea how long we're stuck with the toaster?  
GMenLTS : 7/22/2015 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12380780 BigBlue89 said:
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In comment 12380746 GMenLTS said:


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Because they can't possibly fuck up the next one worse than they did with this one, can they?



The PSL contract assumes a lifetime of 30 years for the stadium, so 24 more to go. God willing, we'll all be alive for then.


Thanks
kinard  
Matt M. : 7/22/2015 3:48 pm : link
A wider concourse is nowhere near enough to make me view this stadium favorably or to view Giants Stadium less favorably. If I know going in that it is difficult to negotiate the concourse at halftime, I only get up if I have to piss, and I'm perfectly fine with that.
It sucks. It's a characterless, cold edifice, typical of something  
Victor in CT : 7/22/2015 4:02 pm : link
borne of compromise for $$ with no vision. The giants should ave told the Jets to fuck off and stayed put. Now they play in a drab, grey box that looks like the world's most expensive scrap metal dump from a distance.
$8:25 for a Coors Lite  
gtt350 : 7/22/2015 5:12 pm : link
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This is what happens  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/22/2015 5:23 pm : link
when you have to share your stadium with the 2nd rate franchise in NY. Just another reason it's better to have one team per sport in each city.
For as much as some want to blame the Jets...  
BurberryManning : 7/22/2015 5:35 pm : link
weren't the Jets' stadium proposals very attractive and ambitious, the one of which I remember being built in Manhattan?

Is there any substance for placing this at the feet of the Jets or is this misplaced blame?
I know the Giants original plan  
ron mexico : 7/22/2015 5:41 pm : link
was for the stadium to resemble a field house with a brick facade and the Jets put an end to that.

I don't think its too much to lay some blame for the lack of personality of the stadium on the fact that it is a shared stadium


I really enjoy the jumbotrons telling when to and when not to cheer  
Giants2012 : 7/22/2015 8:06 pm : link
while the players complain it's too quiet.

Hello?
Old giants stadium, though bland, had unique character  
micky : 7/22/2015 8:06 pm : link
Sense of closeness to field even from upper levels than to Metlife. I understand need to go with newer design for this day and age, but in the process as had been mentioned, it took away that home field with wind tunnel and etc during late season, which the giants were made up for. It's a shame..because the old stadium felt like giants stadium even with being shared
To put it simply, it sucks.  
nygmen84 : 7/22/2015 9:04 pm : link
I've been to about 5-6 games and I'd be fine if I never went back.
Matt in SGS  
FJ : 7/23/2015 8:44 am : link
2 of your points with which I absolutely disagree:
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- I like the several points of entry/exits. As much as I liked the classic spirals of Giants Stadium, as I now take my 2 kids to the game, having more options to get in and out is a big plus.

Entry and exit suck in Metlife for upper deck fans. Giants Stadium had escalators that went directly to the 2nd and 3rd decks. Now everyone has to use the same series of escalators or ramps. As you exit from the upper decks, you eventually mix in with the crowd from the lower decks. It takes much longer to get out. Likewise, when entering the stadium, instead of taking a single escalator right to the top, you now have to zig zag your way through each deck. It sucks!

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- You feel "closer" to the field in the new Stadium. They reduced more space from the out of bounds areas to the stands. I know that in my seats in Giants Stadium, I was in row 11 in the end zone. My current seats are row 19, but I'm actually closer to the field the way the stadium is set up. Or maybe it's an optical illusion and I'm just stupid.

Again, not true for the upper deck. I have basically teh same seats as I had in Giants Stadium (Upper deck row 8 now vs row 7 previously) and my seats are much farther from the field both horizontally and vertically. In Giants Stadium, the levels were stacked over each other so that everyone remained fairly close (horizontally) to the field. In Metlife, the levels are stepped so that each level gets farther away. Metlif is also much taller (you could see that when both stadiums were still in place) so the upper deck seats are much higher than before. I used to have trouble reading names on the players' jerseys, now I have trouble reading numbers (and it's not just because of my aging eyesight).
I should preface my initial comments  
djm : 7/23/2015 11:23 am : link
that I always sit downstairs now. I have only been upstairs a couple of times so I don't have to endure some of the hardships that people upstairs seem to be dealing with. And I loved sitting upstairs in the old stadium.

Seems that most of the complaints come from being upstairs. That's one of the reasons I miss the turnstiles.
RE: For as much as some want to blame the Jets...  
Matt M. : 7/23/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12381066 BurberryManning said:
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weren't the Jets' stadium proposals very attractive and ambitious, the one of which I remember being built in Manhattan?

Is there any substance for placing this at the feet of the Jets or is this misplaced blame?
The Giants had a brick design that looked more traditional, but with modern amenities. The Jets designs for the West Side stadium were ambitious, but had a look closer to what we have now. Regardless, I don't see how this stadium ended up costing nearly double what the Giants plans were going to cost.

The Giants really should have told the Jets to take a walk. It's not our responsibility to solve their problem of not being able to build their dream stadium. Instead, we compromised much more in terms of design, fan experience, cost, etc.
RE: RE: For as much as some want to blame the Jets...  
Enzo : 7/23/2015 1:10 pm : link
In comment 12381847 Matt M. said:
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In comment 12381066 BurberryManning said:


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weren't the Jets' stadium proposals very attractive and ambitious, the one of which I remember being built in Manhattan?

Is there any substance for placing this at the feet of the Jets or is this misplaced blame?

The Giants had a brick design that looked more traditional, but with modern amenities. The Jets designs for the West Side stadium were ambitious, but had a look closer to what we have now. Regardless, I don't see how this stadium ended up costing nearly double what the Giants plans were going to cost.

The Giants really should have told the Jets to take a walk. It's not our responsibility to solve their problem of not being able to build their dream stadium. Instead, we compromised much more in terms of design, fan experience, cost, etc.

did the Giants ever actually have a design of this alleged more "traditional" building? I don't remember even seeing renderings. And a Giant only stadium wouldn't have cost half - that's just fiction.
Sight Lines Are Amazing In The Lower Tier  
Rong5611 : 7/24/2015 8:29 am : link
I'm in the corner on the lower level about halfway up, the sight lines are amazing, you feel very close to the field. The food options are better than the old stadium. In and out is easier than before.

The big negative things are, it's drab & gray. Not as loud, except for the playoffs. The crowd is definitely not as fun. They priced the fans out of their seats with the PSL's.
New Stadium  
bogey5 : 7/24/2015 9:48 pm : link
No comparison, old stadium a winner. Better viewing, easier in and out. Parking at Met Life awful. Went to the Cowboy Sunday night game, coldest in years, and had to park on the other side of 8 track.
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