yes, if you believe this ESPN.com story...it's an "Insider" story but apparently RG was "ranked" as the 28th best QB in the NFL by ESPN's "NFL insiders"...
"Welcome to our second annual "Quarterback Tiers" project, with a voting panel of 35 league insiders (up from 26 last year). The process was straightforward: The coaches and evaluators I polled placed each of the 32 projected starters into one of five tiers, with Tier 1 reserved for the very best and Tier 5 reserved for the very worst."
this is what Rotoworld posted after reading the story...
"An anonymous offensive coach told ESPN's Mike Sando that Robert Griffin III is "done and there's no coming back."
"The injury slowed his legs, and his ego will not allow him to hit rock bottom and actually grind his way back up the right way," the coach continued. In a poll of 35 coaches and personnel executives, the vast majority felt this way. "To get better in this league, you have to have a degree of humility," a personnel director said. RGIII was ranked as the league's 28th-best quarterback in the poll, finishing ahead of only Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Matt Cassel and Geno Smith."
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Was he as explosive as his rookie year? No. Can he still be an effective mobile QB? I dont see why not.
He probably does need an attitude adjustment though -- that can be tough for someone who's been successful his whole life and not used to failure. I think you get him out of DC and into a new environment where he can start fresh with reduced expectations... Cleveland or Buffalo might work.
Gruden pulled Cousins after a bad game or two last year as well. I think the world needs to stop kissing Gruden's ass - he's accomplished jack shit as a NFL head coach and Cincinnati survived just fine without him this past year too.
BTW, it's going to be enjoyable to see Alfred Morris continue to be exposed as another Shanahan RB creation. Skins fans talked about him two years ago as if he were Earl Campbell.
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He can no longer play how he did his whole life and he isn't (to date) show any promise in becoming a pocket passer only.
But why does he have to be a "pocket passer only"? Why all or none? Cam Newton and Russell Wilson are having nice careers as dual threats.
Anyway agree that's theres nothing lamer than "an anonymous source" If you want to shit on a guy - go for it. But be a man and put your name behind the prediction.
Because he hasn't been able to do both, and he's getting hurt worse and worse each year when running. Not saying he should never ever run, but these designed plays for the running game are destroying his knees.
So if he wants a sustained career, he needs to learn to play like Rodgers and Romo who can run, but do need to run. With his accuracy and decision making, I just don't see it.
Look, due to where I live, I unfortunately am exposed to a lot of Skins media and fans. The plain truth is that Snyder has acted like he is Bob's sugar daddy. He's publicly and privately sided with Griffin over his coaches, and that's not a healthy situation regardless of the abilities of those particular coaches.
So he got old and ineffective damned quick. It's a shame.
The negative precedents are just about every other banged-up mobile QB who ever lived.
The Redskins got everything possible out of him in his rookie year by running a stripped-down offense that capitalized on his abilities and didn't ask him make any reads at all in the passing game. Of course, they also got him hurt, which everyone assumed would happen, and with his reduced speed and NFL defenses more prepared to defend read-option plays, his skill-set is minimized.
He's rather poor at reading defenses, and has shown nothing to suggest he can consistently make the proper decisions and throws from the pocket.
And Griffin was never a threat to become a legit franchise stud QB, anyway, in my opinion, no matter who drafted him. Luck was always the slam-dunk no-brainer option at #1. We've heard that "revolutionize the position" shit before, especially when it comes to a guy playing that "like a running back who can throw!" style. Except the NFL will never have a place for that kind of QB.
And it's funny how much we heard about Griffin's great character when he was a prospect. But now, it's pretty clear he doesn't have the character of a winner, which Luck has in spades.
This wasnt a Leaf vs Manning scenario. There's always some pre-draft chatter - usually as a smokescreen by a motivated party.
Greg - I didnt mean to accuse you of kissing Gruden's ass but you brought up another young QB in Cousins. To me i was a defender of Gruden *until that went down* ... Cousins actually showed some real promise last year IMO, but after a stretch of 6 games in which Cousins was only bad in one of them (against us, on a short week) -- but as all young QBs do, did make some costly mistakes (against really good defenses such as Arizona by the way) -- got benched for McCoy at the end of a 1st quarter.
Showed a real lack of direction and decision making ability from the head coach. Did he think he had a contending team last year?
He's too impatient with young QBs. Gruden to me has a lot to prove that he belongs as a head coach.
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Things have transpired that have decreased his chances of being a great QB, but that rookie year was pretty remarkable. I remember thinking vividly that his ball fakes alone would make the Giants defense look like fools for a decade. Until he got hurt, there wasn't much in that rookie year that made me scoff, "Meh, this isn't sustainable at all!"
Things have transpired that have decreased his chances of being a great QB, but that rookie year was pretty remarkable. I remember thinking vividly that his ball fakes alone would make the Giants defense look like fools for a decade. Until he got hurt, there wasn't much in that rookie year that made me scoff, "Meh, this isn't sustainable at all!"
The fact that he sucks now does not establish that he was destined to suck. Plenty of things interceded, including a shitty coaching situation, of course injuries, the pressures that attend early stardom on a team with limited leadership and a famously prickly fan base, etc etc.
Right. It could happen to us... imagine if OBJ does what a lot of our players tend to do and suffers a serious injury. Are we expected to sit there attentively and listen to our Cowboys fans friends tell us about how his rookie year wasn't *that* impressive and we should have seen it coming all along? Come on now.
Miami robbed WAS. They got the better QB and all of the picks. Miami is ready to make a run this year while WAS will look to start over again next year.
We were so close to this happening in Dallas. Manziel in Dallas would have been a dream for Giant fans. Jerry jones almost made it happen for us.
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The fact that he sucks now does not establish that he was destined to suck. Plenty of things interceded, including a shitty coaching situation, of course injuries, the pressures that attend early stardom on a team with limited leadership and a famously prickly fan base, etc etc.
Right. It could happen to us... imagine if OBJ does what a lot of our players tend to do and suffers a serious injury. Are we expected to sit there attentively and listen to our Cowboys fans friends tell us about how his rookie year wasn't *that* impressive and we should have seen it coming all along? Come on now.
I just don't agree with the comparison. OBJ not only set rookie records but NFL records as well. RGIII was a flash in the pan in a gimmicky offense. He can't read a defense to save his life. It is read option running plays, deep play action passing or bust. He has no ability to throw accurate passes from the pocket. He will bounce around the league as a Mike Vick type backup but he is toast.
He had a few coaches who really know NFL offense, didn't he?
He had a few coaches who really know NFL offense, didn't he?
Rat face was desperate to win because of Snyder he didn't attempt to coach up his flaws then he got hurt and isn't the right QB for Gruden. Put him in a Seattle style O and I think he excels
Wilson, in spite of his ability to run, more seems intent on finding a way to throw, with running a last resort. Wilson is like Fran Tarkenton IMHO.
Griffin seems to look at his first read, then scramble in pocket, maybe look for his second read, and then take of past the LOS.
Wilson is a far superior QB than Griffin ever was.
Not that it really matters, but in interviews, Wilson comes across as very mature and a really nice guy. Griffin, not so much.
Can't remember who else they picked up this offseason, but I feel like that new GM really made some good moves, if I recall correctly.
Griffin needs to have a good season.
Miami robbed WAS. They got the better QB and all of the picks. Miami is ready to make a run this year while WAS will look to start over again next year.
Sorry but remind me again what trade Miami made with Washington "to rob" them?
This ... plus his ego.
I hope he is in DC forever. Nothing in sports makes me happier than watching the Griffin circus. It's awesome. It will be even more awesome if Griffin plays in 2016 under his fifth year option. $16 million or something in that ballpark.
Tannehill and Landry may develop into quite the duo - I also went to a game of theirs late last September when losing by two scores to the Chiefs, the Dolphins scored a 2nd half TD... Tannehill proceeded to LEAD a celebration in the endzone that involved fake golf putting and WRs and OL getting into the act... i admit, it was clever... it was also 15 yards.
Despite missing Jamaal Charles that day... Chiefs proceeded to start the next drive at their 40.. scored. Game over.
Tannehill still has a lot to prove.
Key indicator may well be relationship with OC and HC, regardless of physical ability.
Amazing how many think he was never going to be any good. This was guy who had DCs wet pants scared early in his career. His main problems may have been how he was managed, including how he managed himself.
Neither of them, however, could ever really read a defense beyond the first read.
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Miami robbed WAS. They got the better QB and all of the picks. Miami is ready to make a run this year while WAS will look to start over again next year.
Sorry but remind me again what trade Miami made with Washington "to rob" them?
I was wondering the same thing. I guess I just dreamed that the Rams got all those picks.
And, as you said, the only run the Dolphins will go on this year is their annual march to 8-8.