"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" and that is all they got on Obama, you try to ask what else they got that he "lied" about? and they stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and jump up and down yelling nananananana! Obama lies? Really? Tell me his lies?
In all of the domestic and foreign policy issues of the last seven years, you think the only time the Administration has deceived Americans is the doctors comment?
I rip Republican politicians all of the time as do my Democratic and Republican friends. But I don't know many Democrats who will rip their politicians. I find this strange.
know this is what they will hear for the next 15 months Benghazi, emails, Vince Foster, Whitewater and it is all white noise that no one cares about. She will talk issues that matter to he supporters, they will cheer her, they will vote for her, they will elect her President, they will go to her Inaugural Address.
I dont see why the enthusiasm for her. I just dont. Now I dont agree that media should paint her out worse than what she is. I dont agree with witch hunts on her either.
But as a candidate, she has absolutely 0 appeal to me. And people will go through the grind of defending her as if she is the 2nd coming (not mentioning anyone here, just a generalization). She may win, but if she is the best candidate Democrats can offer..... you will see Republican presidents sooner than we think.
just give specifics, don't rely on your gut feeling or sense that he lied. Lay them out if you accuse him of lying. I get that politically you are 180 degrees from Obama, but to call the man a liar, back it up
but it is effective, look at her recently favorable, unfavorable poll numbers. They wil keep hammering away regardless if there is anything substative
It's working, why stop?
Hillary is her own worse enemy. Stop blaming the media. She could have avoided all of this by not having her own server and then deleting the emails when it looked like they could have been subpoenaed. She sets herself up every time.
know this is what they will hear for the next 15 months Benghazi, emails, Vince Foster, Whitewater and it is all white noise that no one cares about. She will talk issues that matter to he supporters, they will cheer her, they will vote for her, they will elect her President, they will go to her Inaugural Address.
are there really Republicans talking about Fince a Foster and Whitewater? The only people I see bringing them up are Democrats.
As great of a politician as Bill is that is as bad as Hillary is, but what people see in her is as much as Bill Clinton knew more than anyone I the room about any issue, Hillary is smarter and more knowledgeable than Bill. Bill will be the first one to admit it. She is off putting, but she is brilliant
These type of 100% false stories won't stick to her?
Exactly.
fwiw, the IG people came out this afternoon and said they are asking for a security investigation and not a criminal investigation. They said the referred it to DOJ for them to decide...only DoJ can do a criminal investigation. So NYT is indeed wrong on that.
The IG also specifically said that the classified materials in the emails was *not* retroactively classified but was classified at its inception.
Is watching this play out as a Clinton would. All the attacks are early. Non of them stick with anyone except those who were never going to vote for her anyway.
Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.
Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.
Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?
Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.
Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.
Is watching this play out as a Clinton would. All the attacks are early. Non of them stick with anyone except those who were never going to vote for her anyway.
Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.
Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.
Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?
Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.
Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.
These type of 100% false stories won't stick to her?
Exactly.
fwiw, the IG people came out this afternoon and said they are asking for a security investigation and not a criminal investigation. They said the referred it to DOJ for them to decide...only DoJ can do a criminal investigation. So NYT is indeed wrong on that.
The IG also specifically said that the classified materials in the emails was *not* retroactively classified but was classified at its inception.
The IG letter doesnt say anything about referring for an investigation or DOJ deciding etc. It was merely a notification to security officials that CI may exist in repositories not controlled by the government. It also makes clear that the CIs contain no CI markings or dissemination control markings.
If he hadnt run. Like if he was a first time candidate. 2004 was a disaster for him in regards to a presidency.
the entire election would be on the Iran deal, so you have to look at what the latest polls say. They were against him earlier but I don't know what they are now. I'm pretty sure he'd lose the entire Jewish voting block and that's usually a given.
He campaigned on being the most transparent President...even his supporters will admit this has been one of the least transparent Administrations in memory. The obstrufication on Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, AP phone and James Rosen scandals, etc.
He campaigned that deficit reduction was important to him.
The stimulus package was largely wasted but the Administration still credits it for the current economic "recovery." Where did the "shovel ready" projects go? Cash for clunkers? The many Solyndra-type fiascos.
Disingenuous at best about the true state of unemployment (not counting the people who stopped looking for work, real workforce participation number, underemployed part-time workers).
His biggest legacy item...Obamacare... you can keep your doctor and medical plan...premiums and deductibles will decrease. They have postponed the most distasteful elements of the program (employer mandate) until after the election.
He campaigned on financial reform but his financial reform bill was hollow.
He has been completely disingenuous at best regarding his commitment to border security.
He tells Americans that global warming is the #1 national security threat.
For who knows what reason, he won't label our Islamic extremists enemies for what they are. Fort Hood being the most egregious example domestically, but the Administration for some reason continues to downplay the foreign threat.
Administration officials have now admitted they knew what the Benghazi attacks were when they happened. That wasn't revealed publicly until after the election.
The reality of the Iran deal does not match pre-deal rhetoric.
His rhetoric on Israel doesn't match the Administration's actions.
Has repeatedly changed his position on gay marriage.
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Look, we have different political views. And you are completely entitled to your opinions and views. The American system works because citizens can peacefully disagree.
The point of this post is not to slam the man you support or attempt to change your mind, but merely respond to your question about what deceptions?
Things that you run on that don't come to pass because of a congress that says No to everything he proposes and that makes Obama a liar? You can call him a failed politician, but a liar without lies isn't a liar.
I would also contend that he never really made much of an effort to work with Congress. Even Democratic congressmen and congresswomen have alluded to the White House's poor track record of Congressional outreach. Congress seems to be an inconvenience. But he campaigned on the opposite.
he hates working with his own party and they are not carrying his water. He feels he is above the fray and knows what's best but just won't deal with Congress. He is aloof, thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and has a nasty temper. Having said all that, the one thing he is not is a liar
he hates working with his own party and they are not carrying his water. He feels he is above the fray and knows what's best but just won't deal with Congress. He is aloof, thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and has a nasty temper. Having said all that, the one thing he is not is a liar
I think this is true and it is unfortunate for him and the country. He was such a great campaigner, but for some reason that skill didn't translate to dealing with Congress. I also don't think he has communicated his views very well to the country on things he is right about. Strange. He dealt with the press well during the elections, but not when in office.
as a model at the time, eventually failed, how does that make Obama a liar. A bad stock picker maybe, but a liar. Now it's Obama who personally calculates the employment numbers and he is skewing them, is that what you are accusing him of?
as a model at the time, eventually failed, how does that make Obama a liar. A bad stock picker maybe, but a liar. Now it's Obama who personally calculates the employment numbers and he is skewing them, is that what you are accusing him of?
Nope. But you looked at Eric's list and said that's all Congress fault. I'm trying to figure out where Congress played a role in those things.
Obama has failed 50 percent of the country. I'm not his cheerleader, he is tone deaf, egotistical , refuse to work with the other houses. He is a lone wolf. The policies that he has made law you might think will hurt the country and I'm not arguing that. What I am saying he believes his vision for America is the right vision, he was elected twice. You can call him misguided, but to call the man a liar and not cite lies that came out of his mouth in not right
as a model at the time, eventually failed, how does that make Obama a liar. A bad stock picker maybe, but a liar. Now it's Obama who personally calculates the employment numbers and he is skewing them, is that what you are accusing him of?
Because he and his supporters have dramatically over-played the recovery. The economy is still in really bad shape. The problem is that wages have stagnated and there has not been enough "good" jobs created. The country is facing a really bad situation where only half the country is paying taxes and that number is going to get worse. You can't pay for all of the government programs when your tax base is shrinking while your expenditures increase.
Both the Republicans and Democrats had hidden the true state of the economy by zero interest rate policies that have fueled the stock market (and exacerbated the wealth gap that the left criticizes).
The flood of immigrants are also putting downward pressure on wages. Bureau of Labor Statistics says the labor participation fate for 18-21 year olds is now only 33 percent. Immigration is also cause government expenditures to increase (federal and local).
Obama has failed 50 percent of the country. I'm not his cheerleader, he is tone deaf, egotistical , refuse to work with the other houses. He is a lone wolf. The policies that he has made law you might think will hurt the country and I'm not arguing that. What I am saying he believes his vision for America is the right vision, he was elected twice. You can call him misguided, but to call the man a liar and not cite lies that came out of his mouth in not right
Thing you have to know about me is I grew up a liberal in a house of liberals. My mom and I still argue every week about all of this stuff.
he hates working with his own party and they are not carrying his water. He feels he is above the fray and knows what's best but just won't deal with Congress. He is aloof, thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and has a nasty temper. Having said all that, the one thing he is not is a liar
as a model at the time, eventually failed, how does that make Obama a liar. A bad stock picker maybe, but a liar. Now it's Obama who personally calculates the employment numbers and he is skewing them, is that what you are accusing him of?
That company was in trouble before they got the stimulus money and the WH knew it. The Dept of Energy knew it. But the owner was an Obama donor so.....
instructed the IRS to target conservatives. When to the impeachment proceedings start? That is grounds for dumping him. Where are the memos of the president ordering the head of the IRS to target conservatives?
Is watching this play out as a Clinton would. All the attacks are early. Non of them stick with anyone except those who were never going to vote for her anyway.
Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.
Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.
Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?
Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.
Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.
You have no idea how much this irks me. She's supposed to be good for women, yet she plays the poor damsel in distress card every time. It's sickening.
instructed the IRS to target conservatives. When to the impeachment proceedings start? That is grounds for dumping him. Where are the memos of the president ordering the head of the IRS to target conservatives?
I didn't say he instructed anyone; who knows.
I said that he said that targeting did not happen.
Obama has failed 50 percent of the country. I'm not his cheerleader, he is tone deaf, egotistical , refuse to work with the other houses. He is a lone wolf. The policies that he has made law you might think will hurt the country and I'm not arguing that. What I am saying he believes his vision for America is the right vision, he was elected twice. You can call him misguided, but to call the man a liar and not cite lies that came out of his mouth in not right
Thing you have to know about me is I grew up a liberal in a house of liberals. My mom and I still argue every week about all of this stuff.
Me too. My trips home are usually full of arguments. My older sister is now a full fledged communist who loves DeBlasio and Warren. But she's an academic, what do you expect?
In all of the domestic and foreign policy issues of the last seven years, you think the only time the Administration has deceived Americans is the doctors comment?
I rip Republican politicians all of the time as do my Democratic and Republican friends. But I don't know many Democrats who will rip their politicians. I find this strange.
But as a candidate, she has absolutely 0 appeal to me. And people will go through the grind of defending her as if she is the 2nd coming (not mentioning anyone here, just a generalization). She may win, but if she is the best candidate Democrats can offer..... you will see Republican presidents sooner than we think.
Well I didn't just write a clueless post about how truthful McConnel or Boehner are.
It's working, why stop?
Hillary is her own worse enemy. Stop blaming the media. She could have avoided all of this by not having her own server and then deleting the emails when it looked like they could have been subpoenaed. She sets herself up every time.
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These type of 100% false stories won't stick to her?
Exactly.
The IG also specifically said that the classified materials in the emails was *not* retroactively classified but was classified at its inception.
Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.
Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.
Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?
Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.
Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.
Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.
Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.
Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?
Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.
Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.
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These type of 100% false stories won't stick to her?
Exactly.
fwiw, the IG people came out this afternoon and said they are asking for a security investigation and not a criminal investigation. They said the referred it to DOJ for them to decide...only DoJ can do a criminal investigation. So NYT is indeed wrong on that.
The IG also specifically said that the classified materials in the emails was *not* retroactively classified but was classified at its inception.
The IG letter doesnt say anything about referring for an investigation or DOJ deciding etc. It was merely a notification to security officials that CI may exist in repositories not controlled by the government. It also makes clear that the CIs contain no CI markings or dissemination control markings.
If he hadnt run. Like if he was a first time candidate. 2004 was a disaster for him in regards to a presidency.
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If he hadnt run. Like if he was a first time candidate. 2004 was a disaster for him in regards to a presidency.
He campaigned on being the most transparent President...even his supporters will admit this has been one of the least transparent Administrations in memory. The obstrufication on Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, AP phone and James Rosen scandals, etc.
He campaigned that deficit reduction was important to him.
The stimulus package was largely wasted but the Administration still credits it for the current economic "recovery." Where did the "shovel ready" projects go? Cash for clunkers? The many Solyndra-type fiascos.
Disingenuous at best about the true state of unemployment (not counting the people who stopped looking for work, real workforce participation number, underemployed part-time workers).
His biggest legacy item...Obamacare... you can keep your doctor and medical plan...premiums and deductibles will decrease. They have postponed the most distasteful elements of the program (employer mandate) until after the election.
He campaigned on financial reform but his financial reform bill was hollow.
He has been completely disingenuous at best regarding his commitment to border security.
He tells Americans that global warming is the #1 national security threat.
For who knows what reason, he won't label our Islamic extremists enemies for what they are. Fort Hood being the most egregious example domestically, but the Administration for some reason continues to downplay the foreign threat.
Administration officials have now admitted they knew what the Benghazi attacks were when they happened. That wasn't revealed publicly until after the election.
The reality of the Iran deal does not match pre-deal rhetoric.
His rhetoric on Israel doesn't match the Administration's actions.
Has repeatedly changed his position on gay marriage.
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Look, we have different political views. And you are completely entitled to your opinions and views. The American system works because citizens can peacefully disagree.
The point of this post is not to slam the man you support or attempt to change your mind, but merely respond to your question about what deceptions?
Deficit reduction...he put no budget forward that reduced the deficit...you blame that on Congress?
Unemployment computation...how did Congress alter that?
Financial reform...ok, Congress could get involved in that
Knowledge of the cause of Benghazi....how does an intransigent Congress impact that?
I think this is true and it is unfortunate for him and the country. He was such a great campaigner, but for some reason that skill didn't translate to dealing with Congress. I also don't think he has communicated his views very well to the country on things he is right about. Strange. He dealt with the press well during the elections, but not when in office.
Nope. But you looked at Eric's list and said that's all Congress fault. I'm trying to figure out where Congress played a role in those things.
Because he and his supporters have dramatically over-played the recovery. The economy is still in really bad shape. The problem is that wages have stagnated and there has not been enough "good" jobs created. The country is facing a really bad situation where only half the country is paying taxes and that number is going to get worse. You can't pay for all of the government programs when your tax base is shrinking while your expenditures increase.
Both the Republicans and Democrats had hidden the true state of the economy by zero interest rate policies that have fueled the stock market (and exacerbated the wealth gap that the left criticizes).
The flood of immigrants are also putting downward pressure on wages. Bureau of Labor Statistics says the labor participation fate for 18-21 year olds is now only 33 percent. Immigration is also cause government expenditures to increase (federal and local).
But I believe that the head of the irs acknowledged it and apologized in hearings
Thing you have to know about me is I grew up a liberal in a house of liberals. My mom and I still argue every week about all of this stuff.
He's a proven liar.
That company was in trouble before they got the stimulus money and the WH knew it. The Dept of Energy knew it. But the owner was an Obama donor so.....
Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.
Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.
Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?
Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.
Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.
You have no idea how much this irks me. She's supposed to be good for women, yet she plays the poor damsel in distress card every time. It's sickening.
There has been testimony and correspondence that we knew immediately that it was an organized attack.
I didn't say he instructed anyone; who knows.
I said that he said that targeting did not happen.
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Obama has failed 50 percent of the country. I'm not his cheerleader, he is tone deaf, egotistical , refuse to work with the other houses. He is a lone wolf. The policies that he has made law you might think will hurt the country and I'm not arguing that. What I am saying he believes his vision for America is the right vision, he was elected twice. You can call him misguided, but to call the man a liar and not cite lies that came out of his mouth in not right
Thing you have to know about me is I grew up a liberal in a house of liberals. My mom and I still argue every week about all of this stuff.
Me too. My trips home are usually full of arguments. My older sister is now a full fledged communist who loves DeBlasio and Warren. But she's an academic, what do you expect?
I was responding to your comments about Solyndra, which are spin.
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