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Hilary : 7/24/2015 5:23 am
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RE: Yeah they always come back to  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 6:51 pm : link
In comment 12384503 Headhunter said:
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"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" and that is all they got on Obama, you try to ask what else they got that he "lied" about? and they stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and jump up and down yelling nananananana! Obama lies? Really? Tell me his lies?


In all of the domestic and foreign policy issues of the last seven years, you think the only time the Administration has deceived Americans is the doctors comment?

I rip Republican politicians all of the time as do my Democratic and Republican friends. But I don't know many Democrats who will rip their politicians. I find this strange.
Her supporters  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 6:55 pm : link
know this is what they will hear for the next 15 months Benghazi, emails, Vince Foster, Whitewater and it is all white noise that no one cares about. She will talk issues that matter to he supporters, they will cheer her, they will vote for her, they will elect her President, they will go to her Inaugural Address.
As a democrat  
dep026 : 7/24/2015 6:57 pm : link
I dont see why the enthusiasm for her. I just dont. Now I dont agree that media should paint her out worse than what she is. I dont agree with witch hunts on her either.

But as a candidate, she has absolutely 0 appeal to me. And people will go through the grind of defending her as if she is the 2nd coming (not mentioning anyone here, just a generalization). She may win, but if she is the best candidate Democrats can offer..... you will see Republican presidents sooner than we think.
Eric  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 6:58 pm : link
just give specifics, don't rely on your gut feeling or sense that he lied. Lay them out if you accuse him of lying. I get that politically you are 180 degrees from Obama, but to call the man a liar, back it up
RE: hhahah  
buford : 7/24/2015 7:00 pm : link
In comment 12384353 giantfan2000 said:
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lucky the Republican party is full of honest "Abe s" who do not lie



Well I didn't just write a clueless post about how truthful McConnel or Boehner are.
RE: Deej  
buford : 7/24/2015 7:02 pm : link
In comment 12384409 Headhunter said:
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but it is effective, look at her recently favorable, unfavorable poll numbers. They wil keep hammering away regardless if there is anything substative
It's working, why stop?


Hillary is her own worse enemy. Stop blaming the media. She could have avoided all of this by not having her own server and then deleting the emails when it looked like they could have been subpoenaed. She sets herself up every time.
RE: Her supporters  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:03 pm : link
In comment 12384535 Headhunter said:
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know this is what they will hear for the next 15 months Benghazi, emails, Vince Foster, Whitewater and it is all white noise that no one cares about. She will talk issues that matter to he supporters, they will cheer her, they will vote for her, they will elect her President, they will go to her Inaugural Address.
are there really Republicans talking about Fince a Foster and Whitewater? The only people I see bringing them up are Democrats.
dep  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:04 pm : link
As great of a politician as Bill is that is as bad as Hillary is, but what people see in her is as much as Bill Clinton knew more than anyone I the room about any issue, Hillary is smarter and more knowledgeable than Bill. Bill will be the first one to admit it. She is off putting, but she is brilliant
Bill L  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:05 pm : link
wait till election season gets in full swing
RE: RE: RE: She is going to win  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:06 pm : link
In comment 12384527 Deej said:
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In comment 12384501 schabadoo said:


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These type of 100% false stories won't stick to her?



Exactly.
fwiw, the IG people came out this afternoon and said they are asking for a security investigation and not a criminal investigation. They said the referred it to DOJ for them to decide...only DoJ can do a criminal investigation. So NYT is indeed wrong on that.

The IG also specifically said that the classified materials in the emails was *not* retroactively classified but was classified at its inception.
Imho HRC  
Bill2 : 7/24/2015 7:24 pm : link
Is watching this play out as a Clinton would. All the attacks are early. Non of them stick with anyone except those who were never going to vote for her anyway.

Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.

Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.

Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?

Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.

Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.
politics  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:27 pm : link
is a nasty business. We only care about the winners, the losers are regulated to the dust bin of history. Really is a fascinating blood sport
RE: Imho HRC  
Bill in UT : 7/24/2015 7:30 pm : link
In comment 12384580 Bill2 said:
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Is watching this play out as a Clinton would. All the attacks are early. Non of them stick with anyone except those who were never going to vote for her anyway.

Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.

Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.

Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?

Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.

Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.


This
Here's a question I ponder  
dep026 : 7/24/2015 7:36 pm : link
if John Kerry didnt run in 04, and run horribly I might add, would he be a better candidate today than Hillary?
I think that ship  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:37 pm : link
sailed
RE: RE: RE: RE: She is going to win  
Deej : 7/24/2015 7:39 pm : link
In comment 12384554 Bill L said:
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In comment 12384527 Deej said:


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In comment 12384501 schabadoo said:


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These type of 100% false stories won't stick to her?



Exactly.

fwiw, the IG people came out this afternoon and said they are asking for a security investigation and not a criminal investigation. They said the referred it to DOJ for them to decide...only DoJ can do a criminal investigation. So NYT is indeed wrong on that.

The IG also specifically said that the classified materials in the emails was *not* retroactively classified but was classified at its inception.


The IG letter doesnt say anything about referring for an investigation or DOJ deciding etc. It was merely a notification to security officials that CI may exist in repositories not controlled by the government. It also makes clear that the CIs contain no CI markings or dissemination control markings.
RE: I think that ship  
dep026 : 7/24/2015 7:39 pm : link
In comment 12384600 Headhunter said:
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sailed


If he hadnt run. Like if he was a first time candidate. 2004 was a disaster for him in regards to a presidency.
Maybe  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:41 pm : link
Maybe those swift boat guys died between then and now. He'd probably have a better shot
RE: RE: I think that ship  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:41 pm : link
In comment 12384606 dep026 said:
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In comment 12384600 Headhunter said:


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sailed



If he hadnt run. Like if he was a first time candidate. 2004 was a disaster for him in regards to a presidency.
the entire election would be on the Iran deal, so you have to look at what the latest polls say. They were against him earlier but I don't know what they are now. I'm pretty sure he'd lose the entire Jewish voting block and that's usually a given.
Headhunter  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 7:44 pm : link
Off the top of my head...

He campaigned on being the most transparent President...even his supporters will admit this has been one of the least transparent Administrations in memory. The obstrufication on Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, AP phone and James Rosen scandals, etc.

He campaigned that deficit reduction was important to him.

The stimulus package was largely wasted but the Administration still credits it for the current economic "recovery." Where did the "shovel ready" projects go? Cash for clunkers? The many Solyndra-type fiascos.

Disingenuous at best about the true state of unemployment (not counting the people who stopped looking for work, real workforce participation number, underemployed part-time workers).

His biggest legacy item...Obamacare... you can keep your doctor and medical plan...premiums and deductibles will decrease. They have postponed the most distasteful elements of the program (employer mandate) until after the election.

He campaigned on financial reform but his financial reform bill was hollow.

He has been completely disingenuous at best regarding his commitment to border security.

He tells Americans that global warming is the #1 national security threat.

For who knows what reason, he won't label our Islamic extremists enemies for what they are. Fort Hood being the most egregious example domestically, but the Administration for some reason continues to downplay the foreign threat.

Administration officials have now admitted they knew what the Benghazi attacks were when they happened. That wasn't revealed publicly until after the election.

The reality of the Iran deal does not match pre-deal rhetoric.

His rhetoric on Israel doesn't match the Administration's actions.

Has repeatedly changed his position on gay marriage.

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Look, we have different political views. And you are completely entitled to your opinions and views. The American system works because citizens can peacefully disagree.

The point of this post is not to slam the man you support or attempt to change your mind, but merely respond to your question about what deceptions?
Whoa  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:48 pm : link
Things that you run on that don't come to pass because of a congress that says No to everything he proposes and that makes Obama a liar? You can call him a failed politician, but a liar without lies isn't a liar.
Headhunter  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 7:50 pm : link
I would also contend that he never really made much of an effort to work with Congress. Even Democratic congressmen and congresswomen have alluded to the White House's poor track record of Congressional outreach. Congress seems to be an inconvenience. But he campaigned on the opposite.
Just looking at the first two on Eric's list  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:51 pm : link
Transparency....you blame that on Congress?

Deficit reduction...he put no budget forward that reduced the deficit...you blame that on Congress?
Headhunter  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 7:51 pm : link
there are plenty of things on that list that have nothing to do with Congress or the Right.
also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 7:52 pm : link
keep in mind, he had a super-majority in Congress the first two years of his Administration.
Next two  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:53 pm : link
Solyndra was touted as a success but in reality was not...how was Congress involved in that?

Unemployment computation...how did Congress alter that?

I agree he is a lousy politician  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:54 pm : link
he hates working with his own party and they are not carrying his water. He feels he is above the fray and knows what's best but just won't deal with Congress. He is aloof, thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and has a nasty temper. Having said all that, the one thing he is not is a liar
Next two  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:54 pm : link
Obamacare implementation...that was administrative, not a Congress

Financial reform...ok, Congress could get involved in that
Next two  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:56 pm : link
Labeling Islamic extremist....how does a congress play into that?

Knowledge of the cause of Benghazi....how does an intransigent Congress impact that?
Last three  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:57 pm : link
All deal with administrative rhetoric....where is Congress in that?
RE: I agree he is a lousy politician  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 7:57 pm : link
In comment 12384640 Headhunter said:
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he hates working with his own party and they are not carrying his water. He feels he is above the fray and knows what's best but just won't deal with Congress. He is aloof, thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and has a nasty temper. Having said all that, the one thing he is not is a liar


I think this is true and it is unfortunate for him and the country. He was such a great campaigner, but for some reason that skill didn't translate to dealing with Congress. I also don't think he has communicated his views very well to the country on things he is right about. Strange. He dealt with the press well during the elections, but not when in office.
That a company he touted  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:57 pm : link
as a model at the time, eventually failed, how does that make Obama a liar. A bad stock picker maybe, but a liar. Now it's Obama who personally calculates the employment numbers and he is skewing them, is that what you are accusing him of?
Headhunter  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 7:58 pm : link
If it makes you feel better, I'd be happy to make a similar list about the Republicans. ;)
What did Obama lie about Benghazi  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 7:58 pm : link
quote me his lie
RE: That a company he touted  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 7:58 pm : link
In comment 12384654 Headhunter said:
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as a model at the time, eventually failed, how does that make Obama a liar. A bad stock picker maybe, but a liar. Now it's Obama who personally calculates the employment numbers and he is skewing them, is that what you are accusing him of?


Nope. But you looked at Eric's list and said that's all Congress fault. I'm trying to figure out where Congress played a role in those things.
Eric  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 8:02 pm : link
Obama has failed 50 percent of the country. I'm not his cheerleader, he is tone deaf, egotistical , refuse to work with the other houses. He is a lone wolf. The policies that he has made law you might think will hurt the country and I'm not arguing that. What I am saying he believes his vision for America is the right vision, he was elected twice. You can call him misguided, but to call the man a liar and not cite lies that came out of his mouth in not right
RE: That a company he touted  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 8:03 pm : link
In comment 12384654 Headhunter said:
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as a model at the time, eventually failed, how does that make Obama a liar. A bad stock picker maybe, but a liar. Now it's Obama who personally calculates the employment numbers and he is skewing them, is that what you are accusing him of?


Because he and his supporters have dramatically over-played the recovery. The economy is still in really bad shape. The problem is that wages have stagnated and there has not been enough "good" jobs created. The country is facing a really bad situation where only half the country is paying taxes and that number is going to get worse. You can't pay for all of the government programs when your tax base is shrinking while your expenditures increase.

Both the Republicans and Democrats had hidden the true state of the economy by zero interest rate policies that have fueled the stock market (and exacerbated the wealth gap that the left criticizes).

The flood of immigrants are also putting downward pressure on wages. Bureau of Labor Statistics says the labor participation fate for 18-21 year olds is now only 33 percent. Immigration is also cause government expenditures to increase (federal and local).
On Jon Stewart this week  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 8:04 pm : link
He specifically said that conservatives were not targeted.

But I believe that the head of the irs acknowledged it and apologized in hearings
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2015 8:05 pm : link
In comment 12384672 Headhunter said:
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Obama has failed 50 percent of the country. I'm not his cheerleader, he is tone deaf, egotistical , refuse to work with the other houses. He is a lone wolf. The policies that he has made law you might think will hurt the country and I'm not arguing that. What I am saying he believes his vision for America is the right vision, he was elected twice. You can call him misguided, but to call the man a liar and not cite lies that came out of his mouth in not right


Thing you have to know about me is I grew up a liberal in a house of liberals. My mom and I still argue every week about all of this stuff.
RE: I agree he is a lousy politician  
buford : 7/24/2015 8:05 pm : link
In comment 12384640 Headhunter said:
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he hates working with his own party and they are not carrying his water. He feels he is above the fray and knows what's best but just won't deal with Congress. He is aloof, thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and has a nasty temper. Having said all that, the one thing he is not is a liar


He's a proven liar.
RE: That a company he touted  
buford : 7/24/2015 8:07 pm : link
In comment 12384654 Headhunter said:
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as a model at the time, eventually failed, how does that make Obama a liar. A bad stock picker maybe, but a liar. Now it's Obama who personally calculates the employment numbers and he is skewing them, is that what you are accusing him of?


That company was in trouble before they got the stimulus money and the WH knew it. The Dept of Energy knew it. But the owner was an Obama donor so.....
So you are saying the President  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 8:07 pm : link
instructed the IRS to target conservatives. When to the impeachment proceedings start? That is grounds for dumping him. Where are the memos of the president ordering the head of the IRS to target conservatives?
RE: Imho HRC  
buford : 7/24/2015 8:08 pm : link
In comment 12384580 Bill2 said:
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Is watching this play out as a Clinton would. All the attacks are early. Non of them stick with anyone except those who were never going to vote for her anyway.

Then sometime next summer a story starts somewhere that no one has been more abused than this woman. How it's because she is a woman. Suffering for the hate of people for Bill. How it hurts her grand children and daughter deeply.

Like wildfire women who worked for the Republican candidate were fired or paid less. Within a news cycle the story is the other guy treats women like second class citizens. Makes their life harder. Wants to make laws to make it harder on women.

Then he has to answer that storm...which HRC never says anything. It's a third rail...guaranteed not to have a perfect answer to the charge ...When did you stop hating women?

Women are 54% of the vote and a higher percent of who votes.

Slime that is right as rain but does not knock out a first time symbol is a two edged sword.


You have no idea how much this irks me. She's supposed to be good for women, yet she plays the poor damsel in distress card every time. It's sickening.
RE: What did Obama lie about Benghazi  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 8:08 pm : link
In comment 12384659 Headhunter said:
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quote me his lie

There has been testimony and correspondence that we knew immediately that it was an organized attack.
So what was Obama's actual lie about Solyndra  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 8:09 pm : link
What were the words he used to construe a lie that could be used against him?
RE: So you are saying the President  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 8:09 pm : link
In comment 12384687 Headhunter said:
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instructed the IRS to target conservatives. When to the impeachment proceedings start? That is grounds for dumping him. Where are the memos of the president ordering the head of the IRS to target conservatives?


I didn't say he instructed anyone; who knows.

I said that he said that targeting did not happen.
RE: RE: Eric  
buford : 7/24/2015 8:10 pm : link
In comment 12384682 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 12384672 Headhunter said:


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Obama has failed 50 percent of the country. I'm not his cheerleader, he is tone deaf, egotistical , refuse to work with the other houses. He is a lone wolf. The policies that he has made law you might think will hurt the country and I'm not arguing that. What I am saying he believes his vision for America is the right vision, he was elected twice. You can call him misguided, but to call the man a liar and not cite lies that came out of his mouth in not right



Thing you have to know about me is I grew up a liberal in a house of liberals. My mom and I still argue every week about all of this stuff.


Me too. My trips home are usually full of arguments. My older sister is now a full fledged communist who loves DeBlasio and Warren. But she's an academic, what do you expect?
Benghazi  
Headhunter : 7/24/2015 8:10 pm : link
What were the words from Ibama's mouth that he knowingly lied to the American people on Benghazi. The exact word that were the lie
Spontaneous demonstration in response to a video?  
Bill L : 7/24/2015 8:12 pm : link
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RE: So what was Obama's actual lie about Solyndra  
buford : 7/24/2015 8:12 pm : link
In comment 12384695 Headhunter said:
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What were the words he used to construe a lie that could be used against him?


I was responding to your comments about Solyndra, which are spin.
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