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NFT: Cowherd - baseball must be simple because Dominicans play it

Greg from LI : 7/24/2015 9:18 am
The absolute worst sports talk clown of all time might have pushed his edgy jackass act a bit too far this time....

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Its too complex? Ive never bought into that baseball is too complex. Really? A third of the sport is from the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic has not been known in my lifetime as having world-class academic abilities. A lot of those kids come from rough backgrounds and have not had opportunities academically that other kids from other countries have. Baseball is like any sport. Its mostly instincts. A sportswriter who covers baseball could go up to Tony La Russa and make an argument and Tony would listen and it would seem reasonable. Theres not a single NFL writer in the country who could diagram a play for Bill Belichick. You know, we get caught up in this whole thinking mans game. Is it in the same family? Most people could do it. Its not being a concert pianist. Its in the same family.


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RE: RE: Funny how sensative people are today  
Giants2012 : 7/24/2015 1:10 pm : link
In comment 12383951 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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who cares?



So if you were Dominican, you wouldn't care?


Nope. Everybody at one point or another will be on the receiving end of a comment they believe is ignorant. It's a waste of time and emotion to take to heart and to take seriously. It's all Babel.
I haven't listened to Cowherd in a very long time  
Greg from LI : 7/24/2015 1:14 pm : link
But back when I listened to him occasionally, the three things I remember well about him:

1)When Michelle Wie was playing in a bunch of PGA events and said something about how she was going to be too good to play on the LPGA, he ranted about how brilliant that was and how she was going to make all her critics look stupid. Ha. Ha ha ha.

2)In Brett Favre's last season, when he was playing like garbage for the Vikings, Cowherd claimed that the Vikings would be crazy for benching him because people still wanted to see Favre play. Didn't matter that he wasn't getting the job done and was clearly through as a player, look at how many people still buy his jersey!

3)After Alabama beat Texas to win the 2009 BCS championship, he said that the SEC, teams in Texas and teams in California would be the only teams that would ever win titles from now on, because no quality players would ever go to a cold-weather school now. That's it, that was his entire argument.
IMO, he's basically Chris Russo  
Enzo : 7/24/2015 1:17 pm : link
without the crazy voice, hand waving, and screaming. Their "takes" seem quite similar.
Osi, his rant on John Wall was embarassing  
David in LA : 7/24/2015 1:34 pm : link
You forgot to point out that he mentioned John Wall not having a father as a reason for his whacked out opinion on him.
Sensitivty Training  
Giants2012 : 7/24/2015 1:43 pm : link
At times like these, we all need to heal.

Sensitivity training is a good start.

Let's hold hands and watch the link together
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Cowherd Re- Played The Whole 1 Min Piece  
Trainmaster : 7/24/2015 1:49 pm : link
and talked about it on today's show. He was saying that baseball does not require the level of communication that football does. He also challenged the notion that baseball is a "Thinking Man's Game" (I agree with Cowherd).

He did not say, "baseball must be simple because Dominicans play it". Typical example of rampant misquoting that goes on today.

Frankly, I was expected a major, egregious rant and there was nothing there. I see nothing wrong with what he said / the example he used, essentially saying people without access to quality education can excel in baseball, therefore the notion that baseball is a "Thinking / Educated Man's Game" is erroneous.

The level of political correctness and "taking offense" is really ridiculous these days.
we all know some high-quality education is an absolute necessity  
Greg from LI : 7/24/2015 1:54 pm : link
to succeed in the NFL. Yessiree!
RE: RE: Funny how sensative people are today  
River Mike : 7/24/2015 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12383951 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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who cares?



So if you were Dominican, you wouldn't care?


I don't think so. I'm half Polish, half Italian. Ever heard of dumb Polock jokes, ... greasy Wop jokes? I tell them. I'm 5'5", ever heard any short jokes or read any studies showing a bias against short guys and discrimination in hiring? I'm 72 years old, ever hear any derogatory old white guy remarks? So no, I don't think so. The whole sensitivity thing is really really too much.
I can agree that sometimes people are too sensitive  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/24/2015 1:58 pm : link
but the way he phrased that was rough, and given the climate of the world we live in nowadays, you can't even go as far as he did. He works for Disney. Watch what you say. This is practically an IQ test.
RE: we all know some high-quality education is an absolute necessity  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/24/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12384055 Greg from LI said:
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to succeed in the NFL. Yessiree!


That's why the whole convo is stupid. Unless chess is a sport, you don't need to be Einstein to succeed.
that's just a lazy comparison  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/24/2015 2:02 pm : link
this isn't a joke, this was a serious statement that was said in a matter-of-fact manner.
that was to River Mike  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/24/2015 2:03 pm : link
.
As a Dominican-American  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/24/2015 2:04 pm : link
Colin Cowherd can choke on a big fat cock. As a small third world country with limited resources, we are doing pretty well. Fuck him.
As a Dominican-American  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/24/2015 2:08 pm : link
Colin Cowherd can choke on a big fat cock. As a small third world country with limited resources, we are doing pretty well. Fuck him.
Mike, thing is that Poland and Italy are not considered 3rd world  
David in LA : 7/24/2015 2:09 pm : link
countries. Cowherd always comes off as if he's talking down to certain cultures.
RE: Osi, his rant on John Wall was embarassing  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/24/2015 2:11 pm : link
In comment 12384024 David in LA said:
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You forgot to point out that he mentioned John Wall not having a father as a reason for his whacked out opinion on him.


I didn't even know that, he's such a douche. I've always hated Cowherd as a person after the Wall thing. There may not be a "One-n-Done" guy in recent history who came off as bright as John Wall. So many of these guys like Carmelo just punted on the college aspect of college basketball. John Wall actually went to class and earned very good grades. That was something that I really liked about him when he was a prospect. But then he does a stupid dance and that's all it takes for Cowherd to rip on his maturity and motivation? I'm happy Wall has proven Cowherd wrong.
Osi  
Greg from LI : 7/24/2015 2:28 pm : link
Exactly - of all the one and done guys to try to make out to be some kind of poster child for stupidity and a lack of education, you pick John Wall?
RE: RE: Ha Ha  
Jints in Carolina : 7/24/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12383511 BeerFridge said:
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yes, it's ignorant.



The idea that occasionally a famous middle aged white guy says something racist and makes news is somehow new to you? And I'm "ignorant" for noticing it? Sorry your panties are in a bunch.


do all blacks play basketball?
RE: we all know some high-quality education is an absolute necessity  
BigBlueinChicago : 7/24/2015 3:38 pm : link
In comment 12384055 Greg from LI said:
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to succeed in the NFL. Yessiree!


It certainly isn't a prerequisite to get drafted 1st in the NFL.

See: Russell, JaMarcus
RE: RE: RE: Ha Ha  
BeerFridge : 7/24/2015 3:59 pm : link
In comment 12384199 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 12383511 BeerFridge said:


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In comment 12383476 Jints in Carolina said:


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yes, it's ignorant.



The idea that occasionally a famous middle aged white guy says something racist and makes news is somehow new to you? And I'm "ignorant" for noticing it? Sorry your panties are in a bunch.



do all blacks play basketball?


I see now. This is a reading comprehension failure.
RE: that's just a lazy comparison  
River Mike : 7/24/2015 4:52 pm : link
In comment 12384073 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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this isn't a joke, this was a serious statement that was said in a matter-of-fact manner.


Yes, and it wasn't nearly as insulting or demeaning as those "jokes". The whole point I was making was about sensitivity, or I should say hypersensitivity to perceived slights. Two insulting comments don't have to be identical to both be insulting. The question was would I be insulted if I were Dominican and I said I don't think so. I understand your point that my examples were meant to be humerous, but you can't really believe they aren't insulting when they are clearly made at the expense of certain cultures and groups in an obviously demeaning manner.
The dominican republic  
Old Dirty Beckham : 7/24/2015 4:55 pm : link
is, in contrast, a dumb fucking country in comparison to more developed countries. That's a fact. Facts aren't racist.

Everybody is a pussy these days.
^ and you're a dumb poster compared to the rest of this board  
David in LA : 7/24/2015 5:01 pm : link
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RE: The dominican republic  
River Mike : 7/24/2015 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12384418 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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is, in contrast, a dumb fucking country in comparison to more developed countries. That's a fact. Facts aren't racist.

Everybody is a pussy these days.


What is your basis for that "fact"? Or is it that you just know it?
Welp, there goes that  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/24/2015 5:41 pm : link
The MLBPA released a scathing response, and ESPN had enough

Mike Soltys ‏@espnmikes 16m16 minutes ago
Colin Cowherds comments over the past two days do not reflect the values of ESPN or our employees. Colin will no longer appear on ESPN.
RE: Welp, there goes that  
Giants2012 : 7/24/2015 5:47 pm : link
In comment 12384474 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The MLBPA released a scathing response, and ESPN had enough

Mike Soltys ‏@espnmikes 16m16 minutes ago
Colin Cowherds comments over the past two days do not reflect the values



lol - ESPN values? The HC has been a whore house with harassment lawsuits non-stop forever.
I guess I'd better  
River Mike : 7/24/2015 6:00 pm : link
watch what I say or they'll cut off my Social Security check. To think, this all started with Al Campanis and Jimmy the Greek.
Its probably not  
River Mike : 7/24/2015 6:02 pm : link
all that hard to fire a guy who has already quit. Nothing to lose there
RE: Cowherd Re- Played The Whole 1 Min Piece  
LAXin : 7/24/2015 6:37 pm : link
In comment 12384048 Trainmaster said:
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and talked about it on today's show. He was saying that baseball does not require the level of communication that football does. He also challenged the notion that baseball is a "Thinking Man's Game" (I agree with Cowherd).

He did not say, "baseball must be simple because Dominicans play it". Typical example of rampant misquoting that goes on today.

Frankly, I was expected a major, egregious rant and there was nothing there. I see nothing wrong with what he said / the example he used, essentially saying people without access to quality education can excel in baseball, therefore the notion that baseball is a "Thinking / Educated Man's Game" is erroneous.

The level of political correctness and "taking offense" is really ridiculous these days.


Yes. Colin Cowherd is good listen. I spend my drive to work listening to him daily.

And I myself am a color-skinned person coming from a third world country as an early teen, and got my doctoral degree in the U.S. Colin could have substituted "Dominican Republic" with the nation I was born in, and I won't be offended at all. Change the fact if you don't like it.

What Cowhered concluded today was not wrong, was not inaccurate, was not inconsiderate, and heck, was not even transient or temporary -- it likely will stay true 30 years from now.
As I've mentioned before  
River Mike : 7/24/2015 7:02 pm : link
Colin was the only sports talk I listened to in the NFL off season. He made stuff I had no interest in sound interesting. Now I won't be listening to ESPN at all in the off season, not in any sort of protest, just nothing of interest anymore.
RE: He's 100% right about baseball being very simple  
LAXin : 7/24/2015 7:27 pm : link
In comment 12383465 Mike in Long Beach said:
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But yeah, that reasoning was unbelievably bad judgment. I'm actually with Greg on this one. He insinuated an entire culture picked up on a sport because they don't need to be smart to play it.

And it was pretty dumb from a logical standpoint, too. The Japanese love baseball, too. Are they unintelligent? Are we?


Yes, Japan (and the U.S.) love baseball.

But, even if just staying within the confine of sports and gaming and entertainment, Japan and the U.S. both have a lot more to offer the world besides baseball, both in depth and in breadth.

Is there another team and contact sport that requires less thinking and team-coordination than baseball?
Which one, and how so?
RE: Welp, there goes that  
jeff57 : 7/24/2015 7:42 pm : link
In comment 12384474 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The MLBPA released a scathing response, and ESPN had enough

Mike Soltys ‏@espnmikes 16m16 minutes ago
Colin Cowherds comments over the past two days do not reflect the values of ESPN or our employees. Colin will no longer appear on ESPN.


Well, he's going to Fox anyway. Where they'll appreciate his remarks.
LOL Fox must be thrilled  
steve in ky : 7/24/2015 8:46 pm : link
I wonder if there is a chance they try and void their deal with him based on some sort of conduct clause.
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christian : 7/24/2015 8:49 pm : link
He is lazily mixing concepts. On one hand he is saying baseball is easier to manage than football, which is fair and debatable. But in terms of grasping and playing, there's no evidence. Non-English soeaking, under educated kids could as easily take non-verbal or translated instruction at plenty on positions in football.
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christian : 7/24/2015 8:55 pm : link
And conversely plenty of writers could make player personnel arguments to a football GM, but would get laughed out of a room trying to argue advanced stats with a baseball GM.
RE: RE: Welp, there goes that  
BigBlueShock : 7/24/2015 9:11 pm : link
In comment 12384611 jeff57 said:
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In comment 12384474 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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The MLBPA released a scathing response, and ESPN had enough

Mike Soltys ‏@espnmikes 16m16 minutes ago
Colin Cowherds comments over the past two days do not reflect the values of ESPN or our employees. Colin will no longer appear on ESPN.



Well, he's going to Fox anyway. Where they'll appreciate his remarks.

You do yourself or your party no favors with ignorant comments like this. But I'm sure that won't stop you the next time, so carry on...
It really irritates me that people  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/24/2015 9:13 pm : link
Are trying to justify Colin's comments by saying we are being overly sensitive. I would love to see people's reaction if some sports commentator on Sky sports in England said that Americans are dumb because we have decling scores in Math and Science as compared to other first world countries. I guarantee you this board would be in an uproar.
Joey  
BigBlueShock : 7/24/2015 9:17 pm : link
While I'm not one of these that you speak of, do you honestly think this board would be in an uproar by something some dildo in England says? Really?

I completely beg to differ. You couldn't be more wrong. Nobody would give a shit. Not one.
BigBlueShock  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/24/2015 9:22 pm : link
I completely disagree. If the story was a national headline like this story is, I would say a lot of us would be upset.
Haha  
BigBlueShock : 7/24/2015 10:36 pm : link
So you'd be upset by something that some clown in England says about you?

I'm not even sure what to say. Holy crap. Other than, grab your balls and man up.
RE: BigBlueShock  
River Mike : 7/25/2015 8:05 am : link
In comment 12384841 JoeyBigBlue said:
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I completely disagree. If the story was a national headline like this story is, I would say a lot of us would be upset.


I would be very surprised if this board were upset with that. I think more would agree with the comment than disagree. There is a sense in which it is very sad that so much angst and energy is spent over words that may make someone uncomfortable. How is it possible to go though life and never encounter "uncomfortable"? But then again, I suppose in the long run its a good thing that we have progressed to the point where mere words uttered with no intent to hurt would be held to such scrutiny and condemnation.
Seems to me..  
Modus Operandi : 7/25/2015 8:22 am : link
Greg hates Cowherd because of his take on baseball being a simple game. This supposed slight against Dominicans just gives the Dominian-defender a pretext to do it.

Greg hates something. News at 10.
I'm just disappointed that my degrees in engineering  
jcn56 : 7/25/2015 8:42 am : link
never gave me an advantage in sports. I must be using them wrong - are you supposed to do calculus before you step up to the plate?

Shit, come to think of it, Brooklyn Tech should have been a sports juggernaut.
I love new forms of prejudice  
Deej : 7/25/2015 9:35 am : link
Dominicans are stupid? I never even heard of that before!

It's like when I was a kid and for some reason I was told/led to believe that Mexicans are lazy. Then I grow up and they turn out to be the hardest working group in NY.
Just for laughs, here are some classic Fire Joe Morgan posts ripping C  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2015 9:55 am : link
To shreds
Forgot the damned link  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2015 9:56 am : link
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And now...  
Klaatu : 7/25/2015 10:44 am : link
He's gone
Sorry,  
River Mike : 7/27/2015 3:30 pm : link
I just read an article about chip Kelly, and when I read this quote, it immediately brought this thread to mind

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"Were looking for intelligent guys because its a game that takes a lot of brain power in terms of being smart football players," Kelly said. "...Theres a lot of decisions that have to be made when youre out there. Like I said earlier, we want a bunch of guys that love playing football, not what football gets them."


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RE: I'm just disappointed that my degrees in engineering  
Big Al : 7/27/2015 6:25 pm : link
In comment 12385089 jcn56 said:
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never gave me an advantage in sports. I must be using them wrong - are you supposed to do calculus before you step up to the plate?

Shit, come to think of it, Brooklyn Tech should have been a sports juggernaut.
Their football team was in the 50s and 60s.
Well, everything is relative  
Bill L : 7/27/2015 7:40 pm : link
But by and large if you can be a brain surgeon, you're going to be a brain surgeon. An even truer generalization, brain surgeons throw like girls...even the women ones.
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