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Who was the Giants' Worst #1 pick of the 90s?

kinard : 7/24/2015 2:54 pm
So many yell and scream about Jerry Reese's drafting but the Giants' first round picks through the 1990s (with a couple of exceptions - i.e., Rodney Hampton 1990; Ike Hilliard 1997) were alarmingly bad...

Here are your candidates:

A) Derek Brown (1994) - Sure he did only have 11 catches in 3 seasons as a Giants but he did have 87 career yards on those 11 catches so let's cut him some slack....OK maybe not

B) Thomas Lewis (1996) - How could you go wrong with a Big 10 Wide-out? Oh that's right, he went to Indiana. HOF Issac Bruce drafted nine picks later...Ouch

C) Cedric Jones - Our one-eyed defensive lineman. He did have that one fumble recovery in '98 you say and did average 1.5 tackles a game in the 73 games he played, you say.. (maybe Strahan became a HOFer because Jones was always double-teamed? Maybe not...)

You could also go "off the board" here and take Dave Brown, but technically he was a first round supplemental pick in '92, of course.

The three names above, made other first rounders such as Tyronne Wheatley ('95) and Jarrod Bunch ('91) look like draft day steals.

Also a shout out to William Joseph ('03) - obviously a man born a few years too late..

In my opinion, the "bust" saga of Derek Brown is unprecedented (allegedly, LT ripped his facemask off on the first day of training camp and he was never the same..really.) but we did have some contenders...
Brown was 1992  
arniefez : 7/24/2015 2:56 pm : link
LT retired at the end of 1993. It was Jones. The others were bad but the worst was Jones.
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Danny Kanell : 7/24/2015 2:57 pm : link
We used a fucking first round supplemental pick on this guy...




Case closed.
Cedric Jones  
jeff57 : 7/24/2015 2:59 pm : link
# 5 pick in the draft. Not even close.
RE: Brown was 1992  
kinard : 7/24/2015 3:12 pm : link
In comment 12384180 arniefez said:
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LT retired at the end of 1993. It was Jones. The others were bad but the worst was Jones.


Yes - got my Browns mixed up. Derek - '92, Dave '92 supplemental...

I remember I though we'd be hearing "Brown-to-Brown" for decades...
Lewis  
BIG FRED 1973 : 7/24/2015 3:14 pm : link
was 1994 ,I would say Derek brown just because of how good he was @ ND and did ugotz in the NFL ..Total Bustaro
I always hated the Derek Brown pick  
BillT : 7/24/2015 3:30 pm : link
The others at least seemed to have potential. For Brown it was "Well he needs to learn how to block because of the way they used him at ND" and then "Well he needs to learn how to catch because of the way they used him at ND" So he couldn't block or catch but he was worth a 1st! Ugh.
Derek Brown  
njm : 7/24/2015 3:32 pm : link
He put up Adrien Robinson like numbers and look at what everyone is saying about Robinson, a 4th rd. pick.
At least  
BIG FRED 1973 : 7/24/2015 3:39 pm : link
Robinson has a TD catch lol ,I dont think brown had 1 TD catch in his career ..And he was awesome at ND ..Amazing how some of these players just don't pan out in the NFL after playing so well in college .
RE: .  
Giants2012 : 7/24/2015 3:48 pm : link
In comment 12384183 Danny Kanell said:
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We used a fucking first round supplemental pick on this guy...




Case closed.


He was the worst
Haha,  
Curtis in VA : 7/24/2015 3:51 pm : link
I'm sorry but Dave Brown is one of my favorite players. He wasn't very successful but I loved that guy when I was younger.
How about George Young's pick of Ray Handley  
Phil in Joisey : 7/24/2015 3:57 pm : link
to succeed Parcells? Wasn't that a dandy? Officially that doesn't get listed as a #1 draft choice of course, but it's right up there with Cedric Jones as an all-time blunder.
OH Boy!  
Carl in CT : 7/24/2015 4:35 pm : link
I thought that use of RH could get you banned? I thought that name was worse than any racial insults on this site!
Derek Brown  
Matt in SGS : 7/24/2015 4:40 pm : link
it's not close. Thomas Lewis even managed a 50+ catch season. Brown was supposed to be the next Bavaro, he got his facemask broken by LT in his first practice and started crying and he caught a grand total of 11 passes in 3 years! The Giants were only saved from having to eat salary by leaving him unprotected in the expansion draft and let Coughlin try to get production out of him in Jacksonville. And he got 25 catches out of him in 2 years. Somehow he managed to stay in the NFL for 7 years.
no memories made,like a dark decade  
sundayatone : 7/24/2015 4:45 pm : link
no wonder why were so bad,it hurts to revisit that list. not george youngs finest moments.
Probably Derek Brown  
David B. : 7/24/2015 5:51 pm : link
Though the case can certainly be made for the others.

Jones was a bad pick because he was 5th overall and they could have had Marvin Harrison or Terry Glenn. But they got SOMETHING out of him.

Dave Brown was awful, but he was also in a terrible situation, and might have had a better career under different circumstances. He was sort of ruined by Reeves and crew.

Derek Brown was just a flat-out BUST. As was Thomas Lewis, Ty Wheatley, and pretty much everyone else of that era besides Strahan, Armstead, Way, and Tiki.

Derek Brown would be my number one  
uconngiant : 7/24/2015 6:18 pm : link
The one thing that Dave Brown will always have a warm place in my heart, because of that play.
Running over Deion Sanders - ( New Window )
Cedric Jones for me  
nyynyg : 7/24/2015 6:23 pm : link
simply due to the circumstances of the pick and missing a dream LT that wound up being as good as I thought he was going to be.

Going from that to a guy that we discovered was blind in one eye and didn't do much scores high on the crap cupcake list.
Derek Brown and Cedric Jones. Too close to call.  
Ivan15 : 7/24/2015 7:33 pm : link
Dave Brown was less than mediocre but at least he showed some potential in his early years.

Tyrone Wheatley did next to nothing for the Giants, but didn't he have a couple of respectable seasons in Oakland?

Lessons learned: don't draft Big 10 RBs, Notre Dame TEs, ACC QBs, or any defensive linemen from anywhere in the Cornbelt.
Bavaro was an exception to the rule.  
Ivan15 : 7/24/2015 7:34 pm : link
Even a blind squirrel can get lucky like George Young.
RE: Derek Brown and Cedric Jones. Too close to call.  
snumber6 : 7/24/2015 8:14 pm : link
In comment 12384592 Ivan15 said:
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Dave Brown was less than mediocre but at least he showed some potential in his early years.

Tyrone Wheatley did next to nothing for the Giants, but didn't he have a couple of respectable seasons in Oakland?

Lessons learned: don't draft Big 10 RBs, Notre Dame TEs, ACC QBs, or any defensive linemen from anywhere in the Cornbelt.


I agree here ... the other disappointments at least showed some effort and tried ... These two clowns signed their contract and retirement papers on the same day ... Both part of the Jamarcus Russell Take the Money and Loaf Society ...
Interesting that Cedric Jones comes up now...  
EricJ : 7/24/2015 9:24 pm : link
we drafted a one eyed DL in the first round knowing about his sight issues BEFORE drafting him....yet we have such concerns over JPP and one finger.
RE: Probably Derek Brown  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/24/2015 9:40 pm : link
In comment 12384483 David B. said:
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Though the case can certainly be made for the others.

Jones was a bad pick because he was 5th overall and they could have had Marvin Harrison or Terry Glenn. But they got SOMETHING out of him.

Dave Brown was awful, but he was also in a terrible situation, and might have had a better career under different circumstances. He was sort of ruined by Reeves and crew.

Derek Brown was just a flat-out BUST. As was Thomas Lewis, Ty Wheatley, and pretty much everyone else of that era besides Strahan, Armstead, Way, and Tiki.


Wheatley was solid with the Raiders, i think even had a 1,000 yard season. Wrong pick for this franchise, and the Reeves era was a disaster overall.
It's actually amazing the Giants were competitive  
Ben in Tampa : 7/24/2015 10:25 pm : link
In some of the early Fassel years. Those 90s drafts were putrid.
I'm not suggesting there were great options available...  
Torrag : 7/24/2015 10:31 pm : link
but Cedric 'the One Eyed One Legged Dog' is one of the worst draft picks in team history.
I would go  
Doomster : 7/24/2015 11:03 pm : link
D. Brown, Lewis, Jones, and then Hilliard......we'll never know if it was the "hit" the first year for Hilliard, or just him.....can you imagine Eli throwing to Gonzalez?
Hilliard was a good productive player injuries or not  
Torrag : 7/24/2015 11:06 pm : link
He's nowhere close to the worst pick in the 90's.
we had some very good 2nd round picks  
CMicks3110 : 7/25/2015 12:54 am : link
Strahan, Tiki, Toomer, Sehorn, Sparks, Jurevicius,
Cedric Jones Pick was Awful...  
Zepp : 7/25/2015 3:29 am : link
5th overall. Funny thing is the top 4 picks were some really good players. Some of the players drafted after Jones...WR Terry Glenn, Eddie George, Marvin Harrison, Ray Lewis. Although we made up for it with our 2nd rounder in Amani Toomer.
1996 NFL Draft - ( New Window )
The funny thing - if you have wicked humor -  
BlueLou : 7/25/2015 6:37 am : link
is how it's a coin toss between Brown and Jones, and a few others not far behind.


And plenty of our current BBI corps wants to shit-can Reese and Ross....
Derek Brown  
DG : 7/25/2015 10:34 am : link
is # 1 in this category imo. It wasn't Cedric Jones' fault he was drafted a round too high. Had he been a 2nd round pick he would have been a decent draft choice. He was a good run-stopper but had zero pass rush skills. He did last 5 seasons with the G-men and played in the SB.
Worst 1st rd pick of 90's  
stretch234 : 7/25/2015 11:13 am : link
Let us be real honest - this was bad decade - De. Brown, D. Brown, J. Bunch(injury), T. Lewis, T. Wheatley, C. Jones turned out to be bad picks.

Look at the top 2 picks from 91-thru 96 - you had 6 1st rd picks do nothing for NY and 3 2nd rd picks

1990 - R. Hampton 2nd - M. Fox
1991 - J. Bunch - see D. Wilson. 2nd Rd pick K. McGhee
1992 - D. Brown 2nd - P. Sparks
1993 - Dave Brown 2nd - Strahan
1994 - T. Lewis, 2nd - T. Randolph
1995 - T. Wheatley 2nd - S. Gragg
1996 - C. Jones 2nd - A. Toomer
1997 - I. Hilliard 2nd - Tiki
1998 - S. Williams 2nd - J. Jurevicious
1999 - L. Pettigout 2nd - J. Montgomery

look at the 3rd rd picks: G. Mark,E. Mcaffery, A. Pierce, M. Buckley, G. Downs, R. Young, R. Oben, B. Maynard, R. Phillips, B. Alford, D. Campbell. And Reese gets hammered

4th: D. Whitmore, C. Jones, K. Hamilton, G. Bishop, C. Maumalaunga, B. Talley, R. Zatezcka, D. Kannell, P. Monty, S. Bennett,

BAD

Some read, but don't comprehend.......  
Doomster : 7/25/2015 12:06 pm : link
I said he was fourth worst pick, because he was a #7.....with no top 10 production....
He wasn't a 'worst pick' at all....  
Torrag : 7/25/2015 12:10 pm : link
Whether fourth or 10th is irrelevant. He was a good player.
This should be titled  
mfsd : 7/25/2015 1:06 pm : link
Who won the Derek Brown award...bc he was the worst of the worst

As others posted, we had some great picks in 2nd round on...Amani, Tiki, Strahan, Armstead, Hamilton, Sparks, Way, Sehorn

Shoot, even Sean "Jim Brown" Bennett was drafted in the 90s...

:)
Derek Brown. And do not just limit him  
Jimmy Googs : 7/25/2015 2:35 pm : link
as the worst #1 pick of the 90s.

He can be considered for a lengthier period...
Cool Story Bro moment but  
SicilianGMEN : 7/25/2015 2:38 pm : link
I dated Derek Brown's cousin....
RE: we had some very good 2nd round picks  
RicFlair : 7/25/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12384991 CMicks3110 said:
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Strahan, Tiki, Toomer, Sehorn, Sparks, Jurevicius,


Wow Jurevicius is much better in my memories than he really was.

His last year here he did have 700 yards, but other than that he didn't do too much for us.

Randle was picked later and has played better yet gets killed around here.
A lot of people liked C. Jones going into the draft  
Victor in CT : 7/27/2015 8:50 am : link
including on Duane Charles "Bill" Parcells, who was considering him and 2 other DLs with the pick that became Terry Glenn. But yes, he clearly was a disappointment.

I think for a pure head scratching pick, it had to be Thomas Lewis. Derek Brown was highly regarded by many people going into the draft. Lewis was a remote thrower.
RE: Derek Brown and Cedric Jones. Too close to call.  
Rob in CT/NYC : 7/27/2015 9:54 am : link
In comment 12384592 Ivan15 said:
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Dave Brown was less than mediocre but at least he showed some potential in his early years.

Tyrone Wheatley did next to nothing for the Giants, but didn't he have a couple of respectable seasons in Oakland?

Lessons learned: don't draft Big 10 RBs, Notre Dame TEs, ACC QBs, or any defensive linemen from anywhere in the Cornbelt.


Philip Rivers, Russell Wilson or Matt Ryan?
RE: RE: Derek Brown and Cedric Jones. Too close to call.  
RB^2 : 7/27/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12387011 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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In comment 12384592 Ivan15 said:


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Dave Brown was less than mediocre but at least he showed some potential in his early years.

Tyrone Wheatley did next to nothing for the Giants, but didn't he have a couple of respectable seasons in Oakland?

Lessons learned: don't draft Big 10 RBs, Notre Dame TEs, ACC QBs, or any defensive linemen from anywhere in the Cornbelt.



Philip Rivers, Russell Wilson or Matt Ryan?

Wilson was drafted out of Wisconsin but 2 out 3 ain't bad.
He was a three year starter at QB for NC State  
Rob in CT/NYC : 7/27/2015 10:24 am : link
And would have unquestionably been drafted as a senior...it's a more than reasonable position to suggest that he is an ACC QB.
he was only at Wisconsin because of an unusual situation  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2015 10:30 am : link
Wilson had been drafted in baseball after his junior year, and NCSU had Mike Glennon waiting in the wings behind Wilson. Tom O'Brien was worried that he might end up in a situation where Glennon would transfer rather than spending another year of eligibility backing up Wilson, and Wilson could go pro in baseball, which then would leave O'Brien without a QB. TOB asked Wilson to make an ironclad commitment to NSCU football over baseball, Wilson wouldn't do it, so Wilson transferred to Wisconsin.
Jones hurt the Giants the most because he was such a high pick  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2015 10:31 am : link
But Thomas Lewis was just a bizarre pick. No one rated him nearly as highly as the Giants did.
There was a brief period (2012/2013) where the ACC had the  
Rob in CT/NYC : 7/27/2015 10:42 am : link
Most starting QBs in the NFL by a wide margin - of course, other than the 3 above, the balance weren't very good - Schaub, Vick, Glennon, Manuel, Ponder...
Worst #1 Pick of the 90's  
johnboyw : 7/28/2015 7:31 am : link
Put it this way, they only had one really good one which was Rodney Hampton in 1990. Ike Hilliard and Luke Petigout were decent. The rest were bombs. Between Bunch, the Brown boys (supplemental #1 for the QB) Wheatley, Williams, Jones, etc. is was a really bad decade for #1 picks for the Giants.
On the other hand, they did quite well with their #2's in that decade. When you consider Michael Strahan, Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer, Philippi Sparks and Jason Sehorn, they really got 1st round value in the 2nd round. Imagine if they had picked better players in the first rounds what they might have been.
Derek Brown.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/28/2015 7:40 am : link
GY was losing his fastball by the mid '90s.
I vote for Cyclops  
NNJ Tom : 7/28/2015 8:13 am : link
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Yeah -- that's like picking the worst of  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/28/2015 9:54 am : link
3 evils -- thanks for the memories -- anyone who says Reese sucks at drafting -- he represents a major upgrade from the drafting of the 1990's
RE: Yeah -- that's like picking the worst of  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12388718 gidiefor said:
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3 evils -- thanks for the memories -- anyone who says Reese sucks at drafting -- he represents a major upgrade from the drafting of the 1990's


hmmm. In 1996 in addition to C. Jones GY also drafted Toomer, Oben, Kanell. In 1994, Thomas Randolph, Sehorn and Chad Bratzke followed Lewis. In 1992 it was Phillippi Sparks, Aaron Pierce, Keith Hamilton, Kent Graham.

So yes, those #1s were poor, but the overall drafts were actually pretty good. And again, of the 3, Thomas Lewis was the only real head scratcher. Derek Brown and even Jones were considered first rounders by many going into the draft.
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