Curtis Granderson RF
Ruben Tejada SS
Daniel Murphy 3B
Wilmer Flores 2B
Lucas Duda 1B
Juan Lagares - CF
Michael Conforto LF
Kevin Plawecki C
Jonathon Niese LHP
but it was expected as he wasn't in the Braves long term plans. He should be a solid addition to the Mets and a big upgrade over Campbell and Tejada. He is very popular in the clubhouse as well.
from everything I've heard about him over the last few months. Adds a professional hitter, defense and he's supposedly good in the clubhouse. Johnson seems like he's having a decent year, but not sure what the plan is for him but whatever, i'm not complaining. Both have higher OPS' than just about anyone currently playing every day here.
RE: wonder how they are going to juggle the 40 man roster
Reality is both guys they acquired are better as bench players.
not criticizing the deal, it's not a bad one be because they gave up players who I wouldn't be surprised if they never set foot in a major league locker room, but just not in love with it like some people.
It's funny Ron Darling was talking about the Dodgers starter tonight going 3 or 4 and then their BP....This guy can throw another goose egg at us tonight.
Agree...get him on a plane to wherever Bingo is playing. He has been ready to get started and we need him
Team STRONGLY prefers rehab at their facilities with all the guys around. That's why you will usually see a couple GCL and PSL games to start the rehab.
considering 1-2 guys are getting cut and 1-2 guys are going to the bench. When the new guys get here tomorrow and get into the lineup i'd expect some energy.
Most of it was because I don't like gingers. But come on, he was nowhere near this player here. At the time we got rid of him, barely anyone cared. If anyone says they saw him becoming this player they are lying.
Guessing Cambell is obvious. Muno? And keep the OF for now?
Mayberry vs. Campbell is interesting. I think i'd prefer Campbell honestly, at least he had 1 big hit recently and almost another if not for a great defensive play. Mayberry hasn't done anything.
When Cuddyer is healthy, he's likely going to need to take the Mayberry role to manage his knee. They've got versatile guys coming back in this trade so I think right now it's just a matter of keeping Campbell's bat vs. Mayberrys.
But not until September, and possibly even as a part time player.
Interesting log jam right now. If these two guys are replacing Muno and Cambell thats a COLOSSAL upgrade. Players like Murphy might be heading to the bench.
Is Conforto definitely staying? Because if he is the OF should presumably be Conforto, Lagares, Granderson still. So where do we fit Johnson and Uribe. Uribe to third Im guessing. Johnson to second? Murphy to second? Flores to SS?
I don't think there's any way Tejada is getting sent to the bench right now. He stabilized the defense and has been the teams shortest midget at the plate.
RE: Who knows, maybe Flores is a piece for the trade market?
I don't think there's any way Tejada is getting sent to the bench right now. He stabilized the defense and has been the teams shortest midget at the plate.
There will probably be another small move that sorts this out more. We obviously have a 2B/3B logjam now. I expect a little more shuffling. Really wish we would add Parra. Put him in CF. Lagares is beyond terrible.
These guys are easily two of our best hitters on our team
There will probably be another small move that sorts this out more. We obviously have a 2B/3B logjam now. I expect a little more shuffling. Really wish we would add Parra. Put him in CF. Lagares is beyond terrible.
Yup thats who I want too now. Parra and platoon him with Lagares in CF. Lagares is still a pretty good hitter against lefties. Parra would get 80% of the atbats and leadoff. Get Parra and TDA back and Im good. Probably don't have to give up a single big prospect..
bat in the lineup will change things. Because the more I see, Flores amd Duda, its not a slump for them. They just look exposed. When you get to over 100 ABs, I don't think you can call it a slump.
obviously not enormously excited or anything, but that would be a reasonable haul, presumably without give up anything significant. Tulo and Gomez seem like the only 2 big fish out there that could easily fit into the current roster. Sandy did say he can take on a major contract...
For all I know it might not be until September but he has a hot week or two in him still at least and Im betting he still hits 20 HR by accident.
The way this team is structured they go as Duda goes. They need him to get hot before too long or they will fall too far behind. But I agree he will go on another hot streak at some point.
I think this lineup (and team) has 1 massive hot streak in them in Aug
Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
RE: I think this lineup (and team) has 1 massive hot streak in them in Aug
Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
This trade will help them a lot. Think of how many games where even a little offense would have made the difference and resulted in a possible win. They basically will be adding two major league players and replacing them with guys that really had no business being on a ML roster. That is a huge upgrade for the roster and the bench.
They will, I'd still be trying (obviously not giving up big 4 or MC)
Is that if we are simply mediocre at the plate we will be OK given our pitching. Presumably these additions and additions by subtraction fill that goal.
RE: RE: I think this lineup (and team) has 1 massive hot streak in them in Aug
Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Parra shouldn't and like I said Lagares IS decent against lefties. I love the idea of acquiring Parra. Look at the roster with Parra.
OF. Conforto, Lagares, Parra, Granderson, Cuddyer
IF Uribe, Johnson, Murphy, Tejada, Flores, Duda *Wright*
C TDA, Plawecki
And your talking a full roster. No shitty bench pieces. Everyone contributes.
Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
This team really doesn't need to blow the doors off people. We just need MLB average offense here and we're in great shape. Adding two MLB caliber hitters. Really want Parra to cap it off. Get Matz back, get TdA.. maybe something from Wright as a bonus. And I'll take my chances.
That's why this is all so frustrating. It's really not that hard to make the Mets a postseason caliber team right now. Just get the minor leaguers out of the lineup and replace them with league average/slightly above type players.
This team really doesn't need to blow the doors off people. We just need MLB average offense here and we're in great shape. Adding two MLB caliber hitters. Really want Parra to cap it off. Get Matz back, get TdA.. maybe something from Wright as a bonus. And I'll take my chances.
That's why this is all so frustrating. It's really not that hard to make the Mets a postseason caliber team right now. Just get the minor leaguers out of the lineup and replace them with league average/slightly above type players.
Thats what I kept saying. 4 runs a game. Thats the level of offense we need to get to with our pitching and we are like a .900 winning team when we do. lol Not impossible. We are at like 3.2 now.
Don't want to be greedy. We just brought in two very nice players. Give me a Parra and Ill be thrilled but man.....
Agreed. Adding a big player would be a nice hedge against Duda never "getting going". They're now sufficiently protected if he doesn't come out of his funk because they have good bench options, but if he doesn't revert to his prior form they are still lacking any type of cleanup hitter.
BTW this trade is 100x better than dealing Montero for Zobrist. Zobrist is a better player than these 2, but not by so much and the cost was minimal.
This team really doesn't need to blow the doors off people. We just need MLB average offense here and we're in great shape. Adding two MLB caliber hitters. Really want Parra to cap it off. Get Matz back, get TdA.. maybe something from Wright as a bonus. And I'll take my chances.
That's why this is all so frustrating. It's really not that hard to make the Mets a postseason caliber team right now. Just get the minor leaguers out of the lineup and replace them with league average/slightly above type players.
With TDA and Wright missing so much of the season it is remarkable that they are still so close. It wouldn't take too many things to have to go their way for them to go on a tear and make things interesting.
If this team does make the playoffs nobody will want to face them because of this pitching staff. They can beat anyone in a series because of the starting pitching.
Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Parra shouldn't and like I said Lagares IS decent against lefties. I love the idea of acquiring Parra. Look at the roster with Parra.
OF. Conforto, Lagares, Parra, Granderson, Cuddyer
IF Uribe, Johnson, Murphy, Tejada, Flores, Duda *Wright*
C TDA, Plawecki
And your talking a full roster. No shitty bench pieces. Everyone contributes.
Unless we're dealing Murphy, that's a really lefty heavy lineup. Five lefties including arguably Five of our six best hitters.
At the start of the season he wasn't chasing those and he was killing it. Maybe he is feeling the pressure to do to much since the roster is so horrid.
Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Parra shouldn't and like I said Lagares IS decent against lefties. I love the idea of acquiring Parra. Look at the roster with Parra.
OF. Conforto, Lagares, Parra, Granderson, Cuddyer
IF Uribe, Johnson, Murphy, Tejada, Flores, Duda *Wright*
C TDA, Plawecki
And your talking a full roster. No shitty bench pieces. Everyone contributes.
Unless we're dealing Murphy, that's a really lefty heavy lineup. Five lefties including arguably Five of our six best hitters.
It should be lefty heavy. Most pitchers are right handed. And I know everyone has written off Cuddyer but I think now you can really play him at first or in LF against lefties to give Duda or Conforto a break. I think Cuddyer will be better in a platoon, part time role.
Let Johnson play 1B until he gets his shit together.
I know he can refuse assignment but the guy has actually been the worst MLB player over the last month or two. I'm not exaggerating either. He's literally been the worst player in the league. He has to know how much he sucks right now.. maybe a minor league stint can clear his head.
Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Parra shouldn't and like I said Lagares IS decent against lefties. I love the idea of acquiring Parra. Look at the roster with Parra.
OF. Conforto, Lagares, Parra, Granderson, Cuddyer
IF Uribe, Johnson, Murphy, Tejada, Flores, Duda *Wright*
C TDA, Plawecki
And your talking a full roster. No shitty bench pieces. Everyone contributes.
Unless we're dealing Murphy, that's a really lefty heavy lineup. Five lefties including arguably Five of our six best hitters.
It should be lefty heavy. Most pitchers are right handed. And I know everyone has written off Cuddyer but I think now you can really play him at first or in LF against lefties to give Duda or Conforto a break. I think Cuddyer will be better in a platoon, part time role.
Most righties hit righties better than lefties hit lefties so a lefty heavy lineup leaves you very vulnerable to left handed pitching.
I'd like to add another good RH bat to go with TDA.
I think surrounding Duda with some better bats will benefit him greatly, I wouldn't think of sending him down without first trying to solidify the lineup after the trade.
I think surrounding Duda with some better bats will benefit him greatly, I wouldn't think of sending him down without first trying to solidify the lineup after the trade.
No matter who you surround him with, it won't matter till he learns to stay off the low slider. It's been beyond brutal.
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Was told #Mets scouting Reds-Rockies game tonight.....
Going to try and hit the HR by landing Tulo? :)
Definitely interesting. Wouldn't think they'd need to "scout" a guy like Byrd. Bruce? I'd love to land Blackmon but I can't see COL moving him, he's ridiculously cheap. CarGo would scare me.. his road splits aren't pretty.
lefties. Uribe is OPSing like .900 against lefties. Lagares is good against lefties. Wright owns lefties. TDA is good against lefties. Don't know why we need MORE lefty bashers for the 15 % of the pitchers in the league.
I like what we did but I would be slightly disappointed if that was it.
If there's another move coming and it's a good one, I will be very happy. I'd really love for Alderson to shock us all and go for the gusto here by landing a legit OFer
At the same time, I hope it's a situation where there's still a way to keep Conforto in the lineup. I just think he's going to give us a spark and I'd like to see him stay.
And if he lands Tulo without dealing Thor/Matz/Conforto...
got one of our "big pitchers". They can point to success he's had in the big leagues vs. a prospect like Fulmer. If it's a team that's out of it like Colorado, practically speaking it's no different than trading for a prospect in AA who may or may not be ready to pitch in the big leagues some time next year.
is after Tulo. Its just so not a Sandy type move. With his injury history, long term contract, bad splits, declining defense, AND the haul Colorado probably wants I really think its the least likely of any possible player out there. Im guessing they are scouting Bruce or Byrd but you never know.
Somebody like Upton or Cespedes I could still see coming though because they are just rentals and won't cost a ton.
the people bashing sandy are the same ones who would
bash him no matter what, but the people praising him are also the ones who praised him after the Cuddyer signing.
it's incomplete, if this is the only move he makes I don't see it as enough to make a difference.
just like signing Cuddyer this off-season while some people loved it, many felt like on it's own wasn't enough.
so instead of saying "are we still bashing Sandy" in an inflammatory way, maybe wait to see what unfolds over the next week.
if this is it, yeah, I think a lot of people will bash Sandy. the two most upgradeable spots were CF and SS, and still are the two most upgradeable spots.
not a bad trade, even a good trade, but not enough yet.
Also it wouldn't shock me if there's a GM out there that would prefer
Still scouting other teams....I think we make yet another move.
Are we still all bashing Alderson? He's making the moves we've been screaming for is he not? lol
All the moves? He's made one move and its several months late. And the bashing is not just based on one season.
The deadline activity started yesterday so he's one day behind. lol These deals weren't happening between April-June. We've been through this. They just don't happen. Yeah there was a whopping three moves for all of baseball in that time but our chances of pulling that off and for this package was next to nil.
Well, Uribe was traded 8 weeks ago when we were starting Muno
I like what we did but I would be slightly disappointed if that was it.
If there's another move coming and it's a good one, I will be very happy. I'd really love for Alderson to shock us all and go for the gusto here by landing a legit OFer
At the same time, I hope it's a situation where there's still a way to keep Conforto in the lineup. I just think he's going to give us a spark and I'd like to see him stay.
I would be "slightly disappointed" but at least he did something. He brought in two guys wRC+ about 110 together. Thats two very solid pieces and he gave up almost nothing. I don't think he's done at all but everyone screaming that he HAS to do something to give us a chance at least can say he did something now.
Not sure where "bad splits" are coming from on Tulo.
They're not bad at all. He's very close to the same player away from Coors. His BA is nearly identical, the power is just about the same, BB/K is close, 10 doubles on the road, 9 at home, 50 hits at home, 47 away.
RE: RE: Also it wouldn't shock me if there's a GM out there that would prefer
They're not bad at all. He's very close to the same player away from Coors. His BA is nearly identical, the power is just about the same, BB/K is close, 10 doubles on the road, 9 at home, 50 hits at home, 47 away.
Yup - and lets not forget they supposedly did have discussions about him in the offseason.
They're not bad at all. He's very close to the same player away from Coors. His BA is nearly identical, the power is just about the same, BB/K is close, 10 doubles on the road, 9 at home, 50 hits at home, 47 away.
This year yes. I was talking about his career numbers.
RE: Wheeler, Rosario, Nimmo, Flores for Tulowitzki
I can't imagine the Rockies would say no to something like that.
Not sure that's what it would take. Rockies are overflowing with OF and need pitching. Take out Nimmo and replace him with Fulmer. I think if a Tulo trade is ever consummated, there will be other fringe pieces from the Rockies coming with him. Also one thing helping is the loudest of the anti Tulo crowd is also the least often in attendance.
I can't imagine the Rockies would say no to something like that.
Not sure that's what it would take. Rockies are overflowing with OF and need pitching. Take out Nimmo and replace him with Fulmer. I think if a Tulo trade is ever consummated, there will be other fringe pieces from the Rockies coming with him. Also one thing helping is the loudest of the anti Tulo crowd is also the least often in attendance.
Way too much. My god Wheeler could still be a damn good power pitching pitcher. If we give up that much they better be eating half of the contract.
RE: RE: Wheeler, Rosario, Nimmo, Flores for Tulowitzki
I can't imagine the Rockies would say no to something like that.
Not sure that's what it would take. Rockies are overflowing with OF and need pitching. Take out Nimmo and replace him with Fulmer. I think if a Tulo trade is ever consummated, there will be other fringe pieces from the Rockies coming with him. Also one thing helping is the loudest of the anti Tulo crowd is also the least often in attendance.
Interesting - the interesting question re: Tulo to me is what their thinking is for improving the team in the offseason. Because all of the guys who could help this team improve (Cespedes, Upton, Heyward, whoever) will likely cost more $ than Tulo's contract. Even Desmond is likely to get at least 10-15M/year.
Also a trade around Wheeler for Tulo puts injury risk on both teams
to me that's an interesting starting point that could get each team interested, and from there it's just a matter of adding pieces on both sides (including possibly cash coming back this way).
to me that's an interesting starting point that could get each team interested, and from there it's just a matter of adding pieces on both sides (including possibly cash coming back this way).
Tommy John has like a 95% recovery rate. Tulo has torn labrums in his hips and it has directly shown up on the field this year via defense and is now 30. Don't think they are even close to the same thing.
Tulo but I really think its unlikely. I think people are going to be dissapointed if start dreaming on Tulo now. lol
Give me Parra and lets go to war.
Since when are you the debbie downer of mets threads? Jk because you are likely right.
lol. Im actually kind of in shock we got two players having good years for as little as we did. Huge trade by Sandy even if people aren't in love with the guys he brought in yet. We literally gave up nothing for these caliber of players.
Nothing to get real excited about. I certainly wouldn't classify this trade as a 'bullet' in any GM's gun. That's leaves hope there is more to come.
This team still isn't a championship contender. Too many lefty bats and a logjam in the infield. It's a mess but two wasted lineup spots have been upgraded.
Funny and typical to note the Mets have actually been helped by Murphy and Duda both passing on contract extensions. They both suck balls. The FO saved from more bad decisions by pure greedy luck.
call Uribe and Johnson spare parts. They are both having very solid seasons and are probably our best bats after Granderson right now.
Where is this lefty heavy thing coming from?? lol. We brought in a right handed hitter who OWNS lefties. And a left-handed hitter. What am I missing here?
I would pick 2 easily. All three are having similar offensive years actually.
I would take Zobrist, but if you add in a minimum cost of Montero as well, I easily take option #2.
Lineup for tomorrow:
RF Granderson
SS Tejada
2B Murphy
3B Uribe
1B Duda
C Plawecki
LF Conforto
CF Lagares
Thats odd though. All three are having similar seasons. Wouldn't you take two Zobrists over one? And its not like we gain more versatility with Zobrist here. These guys can move around and play virtually the same positions he could. Plus, Uribe owns lefties so situationally having both of these guys could match up even better. I get that Zobrist is the "name" but looking at the numbers I like this move better.
and I would cut Mayberry, send down Muno. Johnson/Flores give them 2 decent bats off the bench, and honestly I'd consider platooning them at 1B for Duda if he doesn't come out of it tomorrow.
He's got to split time. He's the worst everyday player in baseball right now. We keep hammering the point about the Eric Campbells and Kirk's and Cuddyer being so crappy but the truth is that Lucas Duda has been worse than all of them for nearly 2 months now.
I think Zobrist and Uribe are somewhat close to each other
but I think Johnson is far behind those 2 offensively. I think he's having a flukey good season, where the other 2 are just slightly off their normal paces.
Zobrist has a little more power and is definitely better at getting on base, plus his versatility both offensively (can hit anywhere in the lineup) and defensively is a huge plus. For the potential costs associated with the deal, I think this move was a homerun for Alderson, just wish it had happened earlier.
Johnson has the MOST pop and might be having the best season offensively actually. Either way they are all three are pretty close and all are around the same age.
I know nobody wants to hear it but Id play Granderson in CF a bit more. he played there a few times as a Met and didn't embarrass himself. You want to really upgrade the offense?
Granderson CF
TDA C
Johnson RF
Duda 1B
Uribe 3B
Murphy 2B
Flores SS
Conforto LF
for a few weeks. The one thing we know Vegas is good for is restoring confidence and getting players back and feeling good about themselves. We've seen direct results of this with TDA and Flores in recent years. Really think it would help him.
That a couple of league average regulars are immediately among our best hitters. It's embarrassingly laughable for a NY franchise to be in this position.
It could put a serious strain on the relationship with the organization heading into arbitration. Platooning him sends a very string message without publicly embarrassing him.
It could put a serious strain on the relationship with the organization heading into arbitration. Platooning him sends a very string message without publicly embarrassing him.
Could be right. I actually just heard he might have an option still though. Not sure on that. Either way, I would hope he would do it willingly, even if only for 2 weeks. Could do him wonders.
I actually don't think he'd refuse assignment if it came to that. He's completely lost. Getting out of the spotlight for 10-14 days could make a big difference.
Campbell's essentially nothing more than a placeholder for Cuddyer, and when he returns the bench gets even stronger. So here's the question heading into deadline week - can they upgrade SS (Flores / Tejada) or CF (Lagares / Kirk)?
We know they were close on Parra and other "realistic" guys like Veneble and Rayburn are out there. They've been linked to Gomez and Tulo (pie in the sky). We also know they've spoken to Beane a lot, and someone like Reddick could fit. If there's another move, I think it's for one of those guys, and I think the moves they made today really strengthen their bargaining position.
If there's a COF'er there for the taking (Bruce? Cespedes? Upton?) I guess they could either send down Conforto or move Granderson to CF. So the door's not entire shut there.
Bottomline is that Harvey needs to be the stopper tomorrow, let the new offense get some good vibes going and get this team out of panic city once and for all this season.
Campbell's essentially nothing more than a placeholder for Cuddyer, and when he returns the bench gets even stronger. So here's the question heading into deadline week - can they upgrade SS (Flores / Tejada) or CF (Lagares / Kirk)?
We know they were close on Parra and other "realistic" guys like Veneble and Rayburn are out there. They've been linked to Gomez and Tulo (pie in the sky). We also know they've spoken to Beane a lot, and someone like Reddick could fit. If there's another move, I think it's for one of those guys, and I think the moves they made today really strengthen their bargaining position.
If there's a COF'er there for the taking (Bruce? Cespedes? Upton?) I guess they could either send down Conforto or move Granderson to CF. So the door's not entire shut there.
Bottomline is that Harvey needs to be the stopper tomorrow, let the new offense get some good vibes going and get this team out of panic city once and for all this season.
Agree 100%. Other than Tulo at SS which I think isa bit unrealistic I don't see too many SS options being discussed or available. I think one more OF is the most likely get. Most likely a tier two guy like Parra, Venable, Raburn, Byrd OR maybe a big play on Upton, Cespedes, Bruce.
The roster is getting pretty jammed up which is a good thing.
Muno and Mayberry gone tonight. Campbell gone when Cuddyer comes back. Recker gone when TDA gets back. Kirk gone for a Parra type. I would feel so cleansed. lol
Yeah, it's still hard to identify any SS upgrades out there anywhere
Personally, I'd rather see them pay a little more for a multi-year option like Gomez/Reddick/Bruce, than a pure rental - unless that rental is getting dumped cheap kind of like the Kazmir deal. The division is there for the taking and the August schedule is practically begging for a winning streak. Just need that 1 move to get things going.
but the price might be too high. Do we really want to trade Fulmer, Nimmo, Cecchinni, ect for a Reddick/Bruce when we can just sign Cespedes in the offseason and maybe fill that same hole with a Byrd type for now for MUCH less? I know Byrd isn't Reddick but its gets you close and you keep all the prospects.
Its interesting and Im only just pondering it myself. No right or wrong answers most likely. lol
but if Flores has trade value, it would be hard to pass up the opportunity to help elsewhere since Murphy is still a better hitter for right now and Herrera's not too far off. This is why I wanted Murphy gone and Flores at 2B from day one. I really like Flores and want to see him succeed here, unfortunately I think the only way he does is if Wright retires and opens up 3rd. But I guess sadly it's not unthinkable that happens.
I really don't see where Johnson is going to fit yet. I could see Flores playing 2nd against tough lefties still and possibly share a little time at SS as well. Combined with coming off the bench and his clutch ability he could still have value during this playoff run. Uribe is the third baseman until Wright gets back. Johnson actually has been playing strictly CO this last stint with the Braves so it will be interesting.
Johnson is the utility guy (basically the new Campbell)
I agree that most likely Flores becomes a part timer in a few different places and a matchup bat off the bench. I wouldn't be looking to trade him unless something good comes back because that role will obviously have value next year as well.
for Gomez, and I think we can get him for Wheeler, Nimmo and another piece - i'd give up Rosario if they threw in maybe a Khris Davis and Francisco Rodriguez. If they can pull that off, this is our roster in 3-4 weeks
about Johnson is he has no platoon splits whatsoever. He is equally good against lefties AND righties which is really nice. Uribe is just owning lefties this year. I think these pieces are going to be very useful.
Like I said. We basically got Zobrist without paying the Zobrist price tag.
Now that I said that Uribe and Johnson will come here and go cold the second they put on the uniform. lol
about Johnson is he has no platoon splits whatsoever. He is equally good against lefties AND righties which is really nice. Uribe is just owning lefties this year. I think these pieces are going to be very useful.
Like I said. We basically got Zobrist without paying the Zobrist price tag.
Now that I said that Uribe and Johnson will come here and go cold the second they put on the uniform. lol
That last line sounds logical and most likely since we are talking about mets here.
this year and next. This year he's obviously on the shelf and it's hard to know what to expect from him next year. Even if he weren't coming back from TJS he might be the 5th or 6th best pitcher on the team next year.
Rosario, Lagares, and Fulmer. Does that get in the conversation? I mean Lagares did just turn in a 4 WAR season.
It might, the organization certainly seems to be pumping Rosario up as an untouchable. Really just depends who their scouts like. I think we have a lot of combinations of players that could fit.
* "We need to see more of Mayberry, we like his peripheral stats". Mayberry DFA'd.
* "We can add payroll as we have flexibility". The Braves included money in this deal.
This should illustrate to all that what Management says to the public should be taken with a grain of salt.
of which I am one of, booing Jon Niese who had like 10 great starts in a row because he pitched a stinker while his wife was near labor.
Embarrassing. Shameful. Typical however.
Seth, your unabashed faith in whatever the Mets do is ridiculous. Niese has pitched well, but we were in a situation today where a game that originally wasn't expected to be winnable (vs. Greinke) became winnable and even with Adrian Gonzalez getting the night off Niese came up small and could not even give us length so that we could avoid overtaxing the bullpen. If we are going to gain ground and compete for the playoffs, games like yesterday were must wins
* "We need to see more of Mayberry, we like his peripheral stats". Mayberry DFA'd.
* "We can add payroll as we have flexibility". The Braves included money in this deal.
This should illustrate to all that what Management says to the public should be taken with a grain of salt.
Love how the media has started to pour it on Aldersson by playing on his "you wouldn't believe me" and every word, etc.
"the Mets, who made it clear to the quick study that he should not put undue pressure on his shoulders by regarding himself as a savior, yet tweeted out a video of the freshmans vehicle arriving in the players lot a few hours before the first pitch as well as a snapshot of his first chat with manager Terry Collins."
And can't hurt until Wright comes back. Very good in the field, but I doubt he can play 2b. Not nifty enough and don't forget, he will be 37.
Having said that, Uribe and KJohnson are not nearly enough to give Mets the bats they need to win a Wildcard position. Hopefully, someone with a Bigger Name is on the horizon.
I think it is unlikely they acquire a CF unless they could move Juans contract, which would be hard to,do given that he is facing elbow surgery and is a light hitter
Parra is only signed through this year so he's not a long-term commitment. Lagares really isn't giving us anything right now. He's batting like .200 over the last month with zero power and he's nowhere near the elite fielder he was before. He's obviously hurt.
I think it be smart to acquire someone who can play some CF so that Lagares doesn't have to play every day.
Yes, Kelly Johnson has been terrible for the. Better part of five years, so I don't think he is a lock to keep hitting. But still a reasonable gamble.
Same goes for Uribe. He had some brutal years after leaving SF. But he has hit now for a year and half. Could he come to the Mets and hit.190? Definitely. Just Ike John Mayberry could go somewhere else and hit .280
That's how it is with these type of players. But Sandy had to make a trade and the. Bench was awful. You hope by bringing n two vets that it can also change the atmosphere and some of the younger guys can relax.
Parra is only signed through this year so he's not a long-term commitment. Lagares really isn't giving us anything right now. He's batting like .200 over the last month with zero power and he's nowhere near the elite fielder he was before. He's obviously hurt.
I think it be smart to acquire someone who can play some CF so that Lagares doesn't have to play every day.
My bad. I was referring to The Gomez posts above. Didn't make that clear. I would love Parra.
Parra is only signed through this year so he's not a long-term commitment. Lagares really isn't giving us anything right now. He's batting like .200 over the last month with zero power and he's nowhere near the elite fielder he was before. He's obviously hurt.
I think it be smart to acquire someone who can play some CF so that Lagares doesn't have to play every day.
I agree with 99 percent of this post. Lagares is still an elite defender. He's the third best defensive player in the entire NL this year for any position. And he might have the best range in baseball for any position. I totally agree, his offense is so bad right now he's not even worth his spot in the lineup. Apparently a Parra deal was really close the other night.
Obviously his arm is playing a role but he's definitely a notch or two below what we saw in 2013 and 2014. He's still very good and better than most but definitely not that same absolutely elite level we saw before.
Obviously his arm is playing a role but he's definitely a notch or two below what we saw in 2013 and 2014. He's still very good and better than most but definitely not that same absolutely elite level we saw before.
Check out this breakdown on Lagares from the other day. I think its pretty well done. And for sure, he's not the same defensively as last year, but even with the armissue he's still better than almost everyone in baseball which is crazy. Link - ( New Window )
I think we can agree defensive metrics still have a ways to go and we can both see that while he's certainly far from "bad" or even average, he's just not where he was the past 2 years. And it's probably save to blame the elbow and rib issues.
I have no doubts he'll return to that form. It's just his bat that is really, really killing us. Last year he was a wRC+ 101 which is very good for an absolutely ELITE defensive player. He had a ton of value last season. It's just not there this year. Which sucks because it happened during a year where we really needed what he gave us last year.
He's 2 years older than Dom Smith was when he was in Savannah, but he wasn't exactly a major college prospect and he just turned 21 this season. FG has him listed as a RHH but I'm pretty sure he hits lefty, and if so aren't his power numbers pretty impressive in that park/league?
He's 2 years older than Dom Smith was when he was in Savannah, but he wasn't exactly a major college prospect and he just turned 21 this season. FG has him listed as a RHH but I'm pretty sure he hits lefty, and if so aren't his power numbers pretty impressive in that park/league?
I am. Huge power numbers. 4th round pick. Stays at first but how can you not be impressed?
Mets r close to deal for uribe and kelly johnson from braves
Jon Gant is one of the pitchers going to #Braves from the #Mets for Uribe, Johnson
As long as they don't give up too much given their ages.
We really, really, really need David Wright back. Unfortunately I just can't see it happening.
Why exactly should he play over Tejada. His bat sure doesn't seem much better.
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Why exactly should he play over Tejada. His bat sure doesn't seem much better.
Higher offensive upside
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Why exactly should he play over Tejada. His bat sure doesn't seem much better.
He has more power which is useful because we have no speed or ability to get 3 hits so doubles and HR necessary
Of course Sandy pays a lot when nobody else was paying anything. Houston gave up less for Kazmir
May he rained out the next few days as well. Might have to move him to get some pt
Binghamton is playing in trenton
or dfa or release some crap players.
no extra rest probably a factor withy baby stuff
2-0 in the 3rd
Reality is both guys they acquired are better as bench players.
not criticizing the deal, it's not a bad one be because they gave up players who I wouldn't be surprised if they never set foot in a major league locker room, but just not in love with it like some people.
they just did
Being forced into a moneyball plate approach that didn't suit him.
It's funny Ron Darling was talking about the Dodgers starter tonight going 3 or 4 and then their BP....This guy can throw another goose egg at us tonight.
noble effort but it all did was just cost the Mets another game they can ill afford to lose
really puts a damper on Conforto's debut
Assume it won't be "official" till after the game.
Team STRONGLY prefers rehab at their facilities with all the guys around. That's why you will usually see a couple GCL and PSL games to start the rehab.
What a letdown after the earlier excitement of the Conforto start.
His peripherals were amazing tonight. Might be his best start of the year
Always a Turner fan but it is comical how many people right here on BBI wanted him gone. Literally hated the guy.
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just another in a long line of gaffe's by the Mets FO.
Always a Turner fan but it is comical how many people right here on BBI wanted him gone. Literally hated the guy.
He batted .280 his last year with the Mets playing for peanuts. Not sure why anyone would want him gone. Must be the anti-ginger crowd
Mayberry vs. Campbell is interesting. I think i'd prefer Campbell honestly, at least he had 1 big hit recently and almost another if not for a great defensive play. Mayberry hasn't done anything.
He's 36 years old and a platoon player for the Braves, not sure why he'd be an every day 3B for the Mets.
especially if Wright comes back in a couple weeks, and you have Murphy who is kind of the same player. Uribe is a 3b or a 2b.
don't hate it, but as an every day player don't see it as a significant upgrade
Yeah he's a lefty though, so Im guessing if he is going to be used in the OF Kirk would be gone.
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just another in a long line of gaffe's by the Mets FO.
Always a Turner fan but it is comical how many people right here on BBI wanted him gone. Literally hated the guy.
He batted .280 his last year with the Mets playing for peanuts. Not sure why anyone would want him gone. Must be the anti-ginger crowd
He hit a weak .260ish for the Mets. Murphy hit better, he held the backup role.
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He's having a very solid year.
He's 36 years old and a platoon player for the Braves, not sure why he'd be an every day 3B for the Mets.
especially if Wright comes back in a couple weeks, and you have Murphy who is kind of the same player. Uribe is a 3b or a 2b.
don't hate it, but as an every day player don't see it as a significant upgrade
Where are you getting platoon player from? He has been playing every day in ATL.
And c'mon.. David Wright isn't coming back.
What's the coincidence? Something to talk about other than overanalyzing Conforto?
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just another in a long line of gaffe's by the Mets FO.
Always a Turner fan but it is comical how many people right here on BBI wanted him gone. Literally hated the guy.
He batted .280 his last year with the Mets playing for peanuts. Not sure why anyone would want him gone. Must be the anti-ginger crowd
I liked him as a high energy guy off the bench. Was disappointed they let him go.
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I liked him as a high energy guy off the bench. Was disappointed they let him go.
Are you a ginger, Steve?
Feel bad for those who went to the ballpark to enjoy what should have been a good game.
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No one mentioned the "coincidental" timing of this trade announcement?
What's the coincidence? Something to talk about other than overanalyzing Conforto?
5:30, leak a deal collapsed last second so we HAD to call up Conforto. And Cuddyer to DL.
6:30, leak this deal.
Even the diehards on this site aren't even mentioning Conforto. Just a coincidence...
Interesting log jam right now. If these two guys are replacing Muno and Cambell thats a COLOSSAL upgrade. Players like Murphy might be heading to the bench.
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I liked him as a high energy guy off the bench. Was disappointed they let him go.
Are you a ginger, Steve?
LOL, no.
and then Mayberry will go when Cadaver is ready
and then Mayberry will go when Cadaver is ready
Thats what Im thinking too. And Kirk stays for now because he can still back up Lagares in CF.
Hey, Sandy Fold played a hand. Amazing!!!!!!
shortest midget? so he's the worst at the plate?
doesn't make any sense to move guys around the infield again
i have a feeling Duda is going to lose significant ABs. These trades could light a fire under him.
I know it's a Lat. but with us, it starts off as a ...........................................
Yup thats who I want too now. Parra and platoon him with Lagares in CF. Lagares is still a pretty good hitter against lefties. Parra would get 80% of the atbats and leadoff. Get Parra and TDA back and Im good. Probably don't have to give up a single big prospect..
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The way this team is structured they go as Duda goes. They need him to get hot before too long or they will fall too far behind. But I agree he will go on another hot streak at some point.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
This trade will help them a lot. Think of how many games where even a little offense would have made the difference and resulted in a possible win. They basically will be adding two major league players and replacing them with guys that really had no business being on a ML roster. That is a huge upgrade for the roster and the bench.
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Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Parra shouldn't and like I said Lagares IS decent against lefties. I love the idea of acquiring Parra. Look at the roster with Parra.
OF. Conforto, Lagares, Parra, Granderson, Cuddyer
IF Uribe, Johnson, Murphy, Tejada, Flores, Duda *Wright*
C TDA, Plawecki
And your talking a full roster. No shitty bench pieces. Everyone contributes.
I think so too.
Don't want to be greedy. We just brought in two very nice players. Give me a Parra and Ill be thrilled but man.....
This team really doesn't need to blow the doors off people. We just need MLB average offense here and we're in great shape. Adding two MLB caliber hitters. Really want Parra to cap it off. Get Matz back, get TdA.. maybe something from Wright as a bonus. And I'll take my chances.
That's why this is all so frustrating. It's really not that hard to make the Mets a postseason caliber team right now. Just get the minor leaguers out of the lineup and replace them with league average/slightly above type players.
This team really doesn't need to blow the doors off people. We just need MLB average offense here and we're in great shape. Adding two MLB caliber hitters. Really want Parra to cap it off. Get Matz back, get TdA.. maybe something from Wright as a bonus. And I'll take my chances.
That's why this is all so frustrating. It's really not that hard to make the Mets a postseason caliber team right now. Just get the minor leaguers out of the lineup and replace them with league average/slightly above type players.
Thats what I kept saying. 4 runs a game. Thats the level of offense we need to get to with our pitching and we are like a .900 winning team when we do. lol Not impossible. We are at like 3.2 now.
Don't want to be greedy. We just brought in two very nice players. Give me a Parra and Ill be thrilled but man.....
Agreed. Adding a big player would be a nice hedge against Duda never "getting going". They're now sufficiently protected if he doesn't come out of his funk because they have good bench options, but if he doesn't revert to his prior form they are still lacking any type of cleanup hitter.
BTW this trade is 100x better than dealing Montero for Zobrist. Zobrist is a better player than these 2, but not by so much and the cost was minimal.
This team really doesn't need to blow the doors off people. We just need MLB average offense here and we're in great shape. Adding two MLB caliber hitters. Really want Parra to cap it off. Get Matz back, get TdA.. maybe something from Wright as a bonus. And I'll take my chances.
That's why this is all so frustrating. It's really not that hard to make the Mets a postseason caliber team right now. Just get the minor leaguers out of the lineup and replace them with league average/slightly above type players.
With TDA and Wright missing so much of the season it is remarkable that they are still so close. It wouldn't take too many things to have to go their way for them to go on a tear and make things interesting.
If this team does make the playoffs nobody will want to face them because of this pitching staff. They can beat anyone in a series because of the starting pitching.
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Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Parra shouldn't and like I said Lagares IS decent against lefties. I love the idea of acquiring Parra. Look at the roster with Parra.
OF. Conforto, Lagares, Parra, Granderson, Cuddyer
IF Uribe, Johnson, Murphy, Tejada, Flores, Duda *Wright*
C TDA, Plawecki
And your talking a full roster. No shitty bench pieces. Everyone contributes.
Unless we're dealing Murphy, that's a really lefty heavy lineup. Five lefties including arguably Five of our six best hitters.
Not a bad idea at all if he's out there cheap.
Man can you imagine if he accepted that extension along with Lagares? This team would be in big shit.
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Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Parra shouldn't and like I said Lagares IS decent against lefties. I love the idea of acquiring Parra. Look at the roster with Parra.
OF. Conforto, Lagares, Parra, Granderson, Cuddyer
IF Uribe, Johnson, Murphy, Tejada, Flores, Duda *Wright*
C TDA, Plawecki
And your talking a full roster. No shitty bench pieces. Everyone contributes.
Unless we're dealing Murphy, that's a really lefty heavy lineup. Five lefties including arguably Five of our six best hitters.
It should be lefty heavy. Most pitchers are right handed. And I know everyone has written off Cuddyer but I think now you can really play him at first or in LF against lefties to give Duda or Conforto a break. I think Cuddyer will be better in a platoon, part time role.
I know he can refuse assignment but the guy has actually been the worst MLB player over the last month or two. I'm not exaggerating either. He's literally been the worst player in the league. He has to know how much he sucks right now.. maybe a minor league stint can clear his head.
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Duda included. Just need 1 thing to spark the team and get the momentum going in the right direction. Maybe this trade & TdA coming back can do that, but I'd keep looking for opportunistic moves anywhere possible. SS and CF being the 2 obvious places.
The problem is bats that would be huge upgrades at SS and CF (defense premium positions) will cost a ton.
Parra shouldn't and like I said Lagares IS decent against lefties. I love the idea of acquiring Parra. Look at the roster with Parra.
OF. Conforto, Lagares, Parra, Granderson, Cuddyer
IF Uribe, Johnson, Murphy, Tejada, Flores, Duda *Wright*
C TDA, Plawecki
And your talking a full roster. No shitty bench pieces. Everyone contributes.
Unless we're dealing Murphy, that's a really lefty heavy lineup. Five lefties including arguably Five of our six best hitters.
It should be lefty heavy. Most pitchers are right handed. And I know everyone has written off Cuddyer but I think now you can really play him at first or in LF against lefties to give Duda or Conforto a break. I think Cuddyer will be better in a platoon, part time role.
Most righties hit righties better than lefties hit lefties so a lefty heavy lineup leaves you very vulnerable to left handed pitching.
I'd like to add another good RH bat to go with TDA.
No matter who you surround him with, it won't matter till he learns to stay off the low slider. It's been beyond brutal.
Yes, that's why I'd try sending Duda down.
Like I said, this isn't just slumping.. you won't find a single MLB regular who has been worse than him since June. He's been THAT bad and that lost.
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Mark Trumbo?
Not a bad idea at all if he's out there cheap.
I wanted him earlier when he was in AZ. With Seattle way back, maybe he could be acquired on the cheap.
Also, he has played 1st.
Was told #Mets scouting Reds-Rockies game tonight.....
Was told #Mets scouting Reds-Rockies game tonight.....
Going to try and hit the HR by landing Tulo? :)
Definitely interesting. Wouldn't think they'd need to "scout" a guy like Byrd. Bruce? I'd love to land Blackmon but I can't see COL moving him, he's ridiculously cheap. CarGo would scare me.. his road splits aren't pretty.
Are we still all bashing Alderson? He's making the moves we've been screaming for is he not? lol
Scouting the Reds/Rox is interesting. If there is a "Piazza" trade out there to be made, it's Tulowitzki.
If there's another move coming and it's a good one, I will be very happy. I'd really love for Alderson to shock us all and go for the gusto here by landing a legit OFer
At the same time, I hope it's a situation where there's still a way to keep Conforto in the lineup. I just think he's going to give us a spark and I'd like to see him stay.
They would say "no" IMO. Trade Tulo and not return any of the big four pitchers? Just the guy healing from TJS?
Are we still all bashing Alderson? He's making the moves we've been screaming for is he not? lol
All the moves? He's made one move and its several months late. And the bashing is not just based on one season.
Somebody like Upton or Cespedes I could still see coming though because they are just rentals and won't cost a ton.
it's incomplete, if this is the only move he makes I don't see it as enough to make a difference.
just like signing Cuddyer this off-season while some people loved it, many felt like on it's own wasn't enough.
so instead of saying "are we still bashing Sandy" in an inflammatory way, maybe wait to see what unfolds over the next week.
if this is it, yeah, I think a lot of people will bash Sandy. the two most upgradeable spots were CF and SS, and still are the two most upgradeable spots.
not a bad trade, even a good trade, but not enough yet.
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Still scouting other teams....I think we make yet another move.
Are we still all bashing Alderson? He's making the moves we've been screaming for is he not? lol
All the moves? He's made one move and its several months late. And the bashing is not just based on one season.
The deadline activity started yesterday so he's one day behind. lol These deals weren't happening between April-June. We've been through this. They just don't happen. Yeah there was a whopping three moves for all of baseball in that time but our chances of pulling that off and for this package was next to nil.
Ah, Wheeler is healing from TJS and you're. . . forget it.
If there's another move coming and it's a good one, I will be very happy. I'd really love for Alderson to shock us all and go for the gusto here by landing a legit OFer
At the same time, I hope it's a situation where there's still a way to keep Conforto in the lineup. I just think he's going to give us a spark and I'd like to see him stay.
I would be "slightly disappointed" but at least he did something. He brought in two guys wRC+ about 110 together. Thats two very solid pieces and he gave up almost nothing. I don't think he's done at all but everyone screaming that he HAS to do something to give us a chance at least can say he did something now.
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Wheeler to Matz right now. Wheeler has proven it in the big leagues and Matz probably has a ton of injury concerns in his own right.
Ah, Wheeler is healing from TJS and you're. . . forget it.
And Matz has already had TJS and currently has a torn lat. 2 career starts. Just saying it's not a total no-brainer long term.
I know all about it. That was one of the three activity deals from April-June in all of baseball I was referring to which is as rare as it gets.
Yup - and lets not forget they supposedly did have discussions about him in the offseason.
This year yes. I was talking about his career numbers.
Not sure that's what it would take. Rockies are overflowing with OF and need pitching. Take out Nimmo and replace him with Fulmer. I think if a Tulo trade is ever consummated, there will be other fringe pieces from the Rockies coming with him. Also one thing helping is the loudest of the anti Tulo crowd is also the least often in attendance.
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I can't imagine the Rockies would say no to something like that.
Not sure that's what it would take. Rockies are overflowing with OF and need pitching. Take out Nimmo and replace him with Fulmer. I think if a Tulo trade is ever consummated, there will be other fringe pieces from the Rockies coming with him. Also one thing helping is the loudest of the anti Tulo crowd is also the least often in attendance.
Way too much. My god Wheeler could still be a damn good power pitching pitcher. If we give up that much they better be eating half of the contract.
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I can't imagine the Rockies would say no to something like that.
Not sure that's what it would take. Rockies are overflowing with OF and need pitching. Take out Nimmo and replace him with Fulmer. I think if a Tulo trade is ever consummated, there will be other fringe pieces from the Rockies coming with him. Also one thing helping is the loudest of the anti Tulo crowd is also the least often in attendance.
Interesting - the interesting question re: Tulo to me is what their thinking is for improving the team in the offseason. Because all of the guys who could help this team improve (Cespedes, Upton, Heyward, whoever) will likely cost more $ than Tulo's contract. Even Desmond is likely to get at least 10-15M/year.
Give me Parra and lets go to war.
Tommy John has like a 95% recovery rate. Tulo has torn labrums in his hips and it has directly shown up on the field this year via defense and is now 30. Don't think they are even close to the same thing.
Give me Parra and lets go to war.
Since when are you the debbie downer of mets threads? Jk because you are likely right.
Cant wait to see Uribe, johnson and Conforto hitting on the same lineup.
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Tulo but I really think its unlikely. I think people are going to be dissapointed if start dreaming on Tulo now. lol
Give me Parra and lets go to war.
Since when are you the debbie downer of mets threads? Jk because you are likely right.
lol. Im actually kind of in shock we got two players having good years for as little as we did. Huge trade by Sandy even if people aren't in love with the guys he brought in yet. We literally gave up nothing for these caliber of players.
I would pick 2 easily. All three are having similar offensive years actually.
You only trade for him if they're going to pay half that contract.
Logan Verrett was scheduled to pitch for Las Vegas tonight, was scratched. #Mets
Logan Verrett was scheduled to pitch for Las Vegas tonight, was scratched. #Mets
They must like how Montero is progressing, as Logan would ve been our sixth starter.
Also, who covers for Niese when he goes on paternity leave?
Check if his wife is in labor.
This team still isn't a championship contender. Too many lefty bats and a logjam in the infield. It's a mess but two wasted lineup spots have been upgraded.
Funny and typical to note the Mets have actually been helped by Murphy and Duda both passing on contract extensions. They both suck balls. The FO saved from more bad decisions by pure greedy luck.
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Logan Verrett was scheduled to pitch for Las Vegas tonight, was scratched. #Mets
They must like how Montero is progressing, as Logan would ve been our sixth starter.
Also, who covers for Niese when he goes on paternity leave?
Paternity leave is 3 days. Niese should make his next start.
Where is this lefty heavy thing coming from?? lol. We brought in a right handed hitter who OWNS lefties. And a left-handed hitter. What am I missing here?
I would pick 2 easily. All three are having similar offensive years actually.
I would take Zobrist, but if you add in a minimum cost of Montero as well, I easily take option #2.
Lineup for tomorrow:
RF Granderson
SS Tejada
2B Murphy
3B Uribe
1B Duda
C Plawecki
LF Conforto
CF Lagares
IF R, L, R, L, R, L, R
C R, R
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I would pick 2 easily. All three are having similar offensive years actually.
I would take Zobrist, but if you add in a minimum cost of Montero as well, I easily take option #2.
Lineup for tomorrow:
RF Granderson
SS Tejada
2B Murphy
3B Uribe
1B Duda
C Plawecki
LF Conforto
CF Lagares
Thats odd though. All three are having similar seasons. Wouldn't you take two Zobrists over one? And its not like we gain more versatility with Zobrist here. These guys can move around and play virtually the same positions he could. Plus, Uribe owns lefties so situationally having both of these guys could match up even better. I get that Zobrist is the "name" but looking at the numbers I like this move better.
Ok gotcha.
2012 - 2014 triple slash for all 3 guys:
Zobrist - .272 / .362 / .422
Uribe - . .277 / .320 / .412
Johnson - .226 / .307 / .379
Zobrist has a little more power and is definitely better at getting on base, plus his versatility both offensively (can hit anywhere in the lineup) and defensively is a huge plus. For the potential costs associated with the deal, I think this move was a homerun for Alderson, just wish it had happened earlier.
I know nobody wants to hear it but Id play Granderson in CF a bit more. he played there a few times as a Met and didn't embarrass himself. You want to really upgrade the offense?
Granderson CF
TDA C
Johnson RF
Duda 1B
Uribe 3B
Murphy 2B
Flores SS
Conforto LF
Could be right. I actually just heard he might have an option still though. Not sure on that. Either way, I would hope he would do it willingly, even if only for 2 weeks. Could do him wonders.
We know they were close on Parra and other "realistic" guys like Veneble and Rayburn are out there. They've been linked to Gomez and Tulo (pie in the sky). We also know they've spoken to Beane a lot, and someone like Reddick could fit. If there's another move, I think it's for one of those guys, and I think the moves they made today really strengthen their bargaining position.
If there's a COF'er there for the taking (Bruce? Cespedes? Upton?) I guess they could either send down Conforto or move Granderson to CF. So the door's not entire shut there.
Bottomline is that Harvey needs to be the stopper tomorrow, let the new offense get some good vibes going and get this team out of panic city once and for all this season.
Oh well. Good for the Mets.
We know they were close on Parra and other "realistic" guys like Veneble and Rayburn are out there. They've been linked to Gomez and Tulo (pie in the sky). We also know they've spoken to Beane a lot, and someone like Reddick could fit. If there's another move, I think it's for one of those guys, and I think the moves they made today really strengthen their bargaining position.
If there's a COF'er there for the taking (Bruce? Cespedes? Upton?) I guess they could either send down Conforto or move Granderson to CF. So the door's not entire shut there.
Bottomline is that Harvey needs to be the stopper tomorrow, let the new offense get some good vibes going and get this team out of panic city once and for all this season.
Agree 100%. Other than Tulo at SS which I think isa bit unrealistic I don't see too many SS options being discussed or available. I think one more OF is the most likely get. Most likely a tier two guy like Parra, Venable, Raburn, Byrd OR maybe a big play on Upton, Cespedes, Bruce.
The roster is getting pretty jammed up which is a good thing.
Muno and Mayberry gone tonight. Campbell gone when Cuddyer comes back. Recker gone when TDA gets back. Kirk gone for a Parra type. I would feel so cleansed. lol
Its interesting and Im only just pondering it myself. No right or wrong answers most likely. lol
SP-Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Niese, Colon
RP-Familia, Mejia, Parnell, Blevins, Robles, Rodriguez, Gilmartin
C-d'Arnaud, Plawecki
IF-Duda, Murphy, Johnson, Flores, Tejada, Uribe, Wright
OF-Gomez, Conforto, Granderson, Cuddyer
Like I said. We basically got Zobrist without paying the Zobrist price tag.
Now that I said that Uribe and Johnson will come here and go cold the second they put on the uniform. lol
Like I said. We basically got Zobrist without paying the Zobrist price tag.
Now that I said that Uribe and Johnson will come here and go cold the second they put on the uniform. lol
That last line sounds logical and most likely since we are talking about mets here.
RF Granderson
3B Uribe
1B Duda / Cuddyer
2B Murphy / Flores
C TdA / Plawecki
LF Conforto
SS Tejada
Wheeler & Nimmo for Gomez is a really interesting thought...
RF Granderson
3B Uribe
1B Duda / Cuddyer
2B Murphy / Flores
C TdA / Plawecki
LF Conforto
SS Tejada
Wheeler & Nimmo for Gomez is a really interesting thought...
Yeah I probably do that deal and don't think twice even though Im really not keen on selling so low on Wheeler right now.
It might, the organization certainly seems to be pumping Rosario up as an untouchable. Really just depends who their scouts like. I think we have a lot of combinations of players that could fit.
Man. Cespedes woud transform our lineup and might not cost a whole lot as a rental.
And the more I think about it there are literally a million OF options there. lol
You sure about it being bullshit? The Braves are sending money in this trade. I guess the Mets needed help with that 3 mill.
Embarrassing. Shameful. Typical however.
* "We can add payroll as we have flexibility". The Braves included money in this deal.
This should illustrate to all that what Management says to the public should be taken with a grain of salt.
Embarrassing. Shameful. Typical however.
Seth, your unabashed faith in whatever the Mets do is ridiculous. Niese has pitched well, but we were in a situation today where a game that originally wasn't expected to be winnable (vs. Greinke) became winnable and even with Adrian Gonzalez getting the night off Niese came up small and could not even give us length so that we could avoid overtaxing the bullpen. If we are going to gain ground and compete for the playoffs, games like yesterday were must wins
* "We can add payroll as we have flexibility". The Braves included money in this deal.
This should illustrate to all that what Management says to the public should be taken with a grain of salt.
Love how the media has started to pour it on Aldersson by playing on his "you wouldn't believe me" and every word, etc.
"the Mets, who made it clear to the quick study that he should not put undue pressure on his shoulders by regarding himself as a savior, yet tweeted out a video of the freshmans vehicle arriving in the players lot a few hours before the first pitch as well as a snapshot of his first chat with manager Terry Collins."
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Having said that, Uribe and KJohnson are not nearly enough to give Mets the bats they need to win a Wildcard position. Hopefully, someone with a Bigger Name is on the horizon.
I think it be smart to acquire someone who can play some CF so that Lagares doesn't have to play every day.
Same goes for Uribe. He had some brutal years after leaving SF. But he has hit now for a year and half. Could he come to the Mets and hit.190? Definitely. Just Ike John Mayberry could go somewhere else and hit .280
That's how it is with these type of players. But Sandy had to make a trade and the. Bench was awful. You hope by bringing n two vets that it can also change the atmosphere and some of the younger guys can relax.
I think it be smart to acquire someone who can play some CF so that Lagares doesn't have to play every day.
My bad. I was referring to The Gomez posts above. Didn't make that clear. I would love Parra.
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but we are taking on about 3 million so I guess that Zobrist talk was complete and utter bullshit as predicted.
You sure about it being bullshit? The Braves are sending money in this trade. I guess the Mets needed help with that 3 mill.
It may not be the full three million but it's close. People attached to the Braves were calling it a "salary dump" on the Mets this morning.
I think it be smart to acquire someone who can play some CF so that Lagares doesn't have to play every day.
I agree with 99 percent of this post. Lagares is still an elite defender. He's the third best defensive player in the entire NL this year for any position. And he might have the best range in baseball for any position. I totally agree, his offense is so bad right now he's not even worth his spot in the lineup. Apparently a Parra deal was really close the other night.
This was as of about a month ago..
2013: +28
2014: +28
2015: +1
UZR
2013: +24
2014: +19
2015: 0
Obviously his arm is playing a role but he's definitely a notch or two below what we saw in 2013 and 2014. He's still very good and better than most but definitely not that same absolutely elite level we saw before.
This was as of about a month ago..
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Defensive Runs Saved
2013: +28
2014: +28
2015: +1
UZR
2013: +24
2014: +19
2015: 0
Obviously his arm is playing a role but he's definitely a notch or two below what we saw in 2013 and 2014. He's still very good and better than most but definitely not that same absolutely elite level we saw before.
Check out this breakdown on Lagares from the other day. I think its pretty well done. And for sure, he's not the same defensively as last year, but even with the armissue he's still better than almost everyone in baseball which is crazy.
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I have no doubts he'll return to that form. It's just his bat that is really, really killing us. Last year he was a wRC+ 101 which is very good for an absolutely ELITE defensive player. He had a ton of value last season. It's just not there this year. Which sucks because it happened during a year where we really needed what he gave us last year.
Upton .169
Since June 1st. Had not idea Upton was slumping THAT bad. Geezus we don't need ANOTHER lost Duda here.
Jon Niese officially on paternity leave and Logan Verrett promoted. #mets
I am. Huge power numbers. 4th round pick. Stays at first but how can you not be impressed?
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He is healthy, on the 40 man and can provide length because Carlos Torres likely unavailable for a few days as long man
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know why Verrett would be called up for only three days while Niese is out unless he is staying. Im feeling a A. Torres DFA coming when Niese returns.
He is healthy, on the 40 man and can provide length because Carlos Torres likely unavailable for a few days as long man
I guess. Niese isn't missing a start though and Carlos should be fine by tomorrow. Well, here's hoping he stays anyway.