and buy an extra day to decide how they want to deploy the standard IF alignment. I think ultimately they're going to move Murph back to 2nd the majority of the time and Uribe at 3B most of the time. But I guess we'll see.
Seems like there's a lot of smoke around Wheeler right now
My guess is they're dangling him out there hoping for a big name under contract beyond this season (like Gomez or maybe even Reddick or Blackmon). It's an interesting idea since we know he's not likely to help much this year or next. Really not much different than trading a prospect in AA, just one with a bigger name and a proven MLB track record. Sources: Mets have discussed Zack Wheeler in trade talks - ( New Window )
RE: Seems like there's a lot of smoke around Wheeler right now
My guess is they're dangling him out there hoping for a big name under contract beyond this season (like Gomez or maybe even Reddick or Blackmon). It's an interesting idea since we know he's not likely to help much this year or next. Really not much different than trading a prospect in AA, just one with a bigger name and a proven MLB track record. Sources: Mets have discussed Zack Wheeler in trade talks - ( New Window )
Laughed yesterday when it was made to sound like Mets were getting calls on Wheeler. Mets have brought his name up. It is literally the ultimate prospect trade for the Mets.
Like Eric said, somewhat proven. Bigger name than a prospect to appease fans (one fan base in particular). May be ready next summer, latest following spring. Lower risk than a typical prospect.
From Mets perspective he will cost more next year than a typical prospect. Can't count on him for next year. Of their starters, he is the best bang for the buck on the group you don't mind moving. And the biggest part is that unlike a traditional prospect, his MLB clock has been ticking away to are/free agency already...
Exactly Shecky - I think a trade around Wheeler and a CF capable OFer
makes a lot of sense. Reddick, Blackmon, Gomez - all would obviously have different 2nd/3rd pieces to match up appropriate values, but that type of move could work if there's a GM looking to say "we got 1 of their big pitchers".
Don't think I would give up Wheeler for Bruce or any of the rentals however.
With all the names out there and the willingness to deal several top 100 prospects & possibly Wheeler I think this might be that "game changing" moment he talked about in the book re: Cano.
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Here, according to sources, is where the Mets various pursuits stand: A push for Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki left the Mets under the impression that Colorado did not want to trade him.
The Mets, however, also have looked into acquiring both super-utility man Ben Zobrist and reliever Tyler Clippard from the Athletics, a deal for Reds right fielder Jay Bruce and, according to CBS Sports Jon Heyman, a trade for Padres left fielder Justin Upton.
No deal appears close.
The Athletics, in fact, expect to receive better offers from other clubs for Zobrist and Clippard, most likely in separate trades.
The possibility of the Mets adding Bruce might also be gone the team discussed with the Reds an exchange of Bruce for right-hander Zack Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery, but the talks apparently did not gain traction.
As for Upton, the Mets balked at the Padres request for at least one top prospect, and the Pads did not offer to pay any of the remaining portion of Uptons $14.5 million salary, according to CBS Sports.
The New York Daily News first reported that the Mets would consider trading Wheeler. Rival executives say the Mets are deep enough in prospects to make a significant move without including any of their other top young pitchers in a trade.
Terry Collins says he met with team and say they've been put "on notice" that it's perform or sit.
His may be the dumbest thing TC could have said to the team. Say it publicly, but to the team? Admit you managed the last several years differently?
And I don't want to hear the "what we're his options" from the excuse makers. If a guy is hitting "one fuckin seventy". You bench him, period. You find someone else who will hit "one fuckin sixty" and it has zero impact on the teams offense. Not an excuse.
full circle. Tejada is now the starting SS with Wilmer most likely getting relegated to the bench, or at least sporadic playing time. It's too bad, Flores was having a nice July.
It's Murphy that should be getting the rest, he's been hot garbage lately.
Terry Collins says he met with team and say they've been put "on notice" that it's perform or sit.
His may be the dumbest thing TC could have said to the team. Say it publicly, but to the team? Admit you managed the last several years differently?
And I don't want to hear the "what we're his options" from the excuse makers. If a guy is hitting "one fuckin seventy". You bench him, period. You find someone else who will hit "one fuckin sixty" and it has zero impact on the teams offense. Not an excuse.
kinda falls on deaf ears when he keeps trotting Murphy out there. Has been hitting like garbage, a butcher in the field, and doesn't hustle. I don't see him sitting much though.
Into buying Wheeler as a prospect, I'm thinking we see that move plus another big move together in a go for it mode. Best part is, no one from the core prospects or major league level were touched. Would be a Hail Mary miracle to pull off. combined with yesterday's depth move - would be as good a week as any in mets history. Damn near no chance of it happening, but you have to swing for the three move homerun here - HAVE TO.
RE: And everyone's nightmare has come to a complete
full circle. Tejada is now the starting SS with Wilmer most likely getting relegated to the bench, or at least sporadic playing time. It's too bad, Flores was having a nice July.
It's Murphy that should be getting the rest, he's been hot garbage lately.
If the team is serious enough that they are exploring Tulowitzki I can live with Tejada for a little bit, especially given how he's currently playing.
By the way, interesting little factoid to put yesterday's move in perspective:
2013 - 2015 WAR
Kelly Johnson - 2.0
Juan Uribe - 9.9
Michael Cuddyer - 3.9
And they didn't have to give up a 1st round pick!!
Into buying Wheeler as a prospect, I'm thinking we see that move plus another big move together in a go for it mode. Best part is, no one from the core prospects or major league level were touched. Would be a Hail Mary miracle to pull off. combined with yesterday's depth move - would be as good a week as any in mets history. Damn near no chance of it happening, but you have to swing for the three move homerun here - HAVE TO.
I think it's 1 in the same, not 2 moves. I think if it works they sell the other team on the package of a few of our prospects like Nimmo and the fact that Wheeler is like getting a top pitching prospect who is already proven at the MLB level. Nimmo + Wheeler for Gomez type of thing.
Into buying Wheeler as a prospect, I'm thinking we see that move plus another big move together in a go for it mode. Best part is, no one from the core prospects or major league level were touched. Would be a Hail Mary miracle to pull off. combined with yesterday's depth move - would be as good a week as any in mets history. Damn near no chance of it happening, but you have to swing for the three move homerun here - HAVE TO.
Who is the homerun? Upton? When he's a FA after the season? Tulo with all his baggage? Bogaerts? I'd love to see that happen, but a TJ recovering Wheeler doesn't get that done.
Not being a dick, I trust your opinion, just want a definition of a HR in your opinion.
to me, that's a homerun because you're dealing 2 guys who are unlikely to help much over the next 2 seasons due to injury for 1 guy who would immediately be our best every day player.
I think so, yes. I really like Wheeler but even if he comes back without any ill effects from TJS he might be the 5th or 6th best starter here. Plus keeping Fulmer, Montero, Meisner, Verrett in the pipeline, with their cheap years staggered from the current crop is a nice added bonus.
like a HR to me. I don't know, maybe it's the best they can do.
But it feels like trading a potential top of the rotation starter and an everyday ofer (worst case 4th Ofer) both under cost control for the foreseeable future for one-plus year of a 30-year old player on the decline.
maybe that's the kind of move that really is a HR when your offense is near the bottom and your pitching near the top to make you a contender, just feels lopsided.
and is easily still one of the top 2-3 CF'ers in the entire game. He's been a top 10 player each of the past 2 years.
Wheeler is a potential top of the rotation guy, but if you evaluate his place for this franchise, he's at best your 4th starter going forward. Niese and Matz could certainly have compelling arguments to push him down further depending on how the season ends. I'm not trying to minimize Wheeler's stuff & potential to be a top of the rotation starter just because we have depth, but unlike Thor, Harvey and JdG he has yet to perform that way in his career. Add in the inherent injury realities /risks, I'm not really sure how you'd be able to do better than getting a top player at a premium position at a fair price for 2 years.
but i'm starting to get extremely worried about whether or not he can handle making good decisions at critical moments. It's certainly not something he's gotten any practice at over the past few years (decades) and he self admittedly bungled the biggest game of the year to date. I'm hoping that Campbell comment is mostly lip service since he's the obvious man out when Cuddyer returns.
Not sure that's what it would take. Rockies are overflowing with OF and need pitching. Take out Nimmo and replace him with Fulmer. I think if a Tulo trade is ever consummated, there will be other fringe pieces from the Rockies coming with him. Also one thing helping is the loudest of the anti Tulo crowd is also the least often in attendance.
is a gamble I think worth making. again depends on the cost though, if they can add Tulo without losing the core pitchers or Conforto it's a no-brainer to me. I'd even take on Cargo's salary ($37M) if they take back Cuddyer and lesser prospects.
it would almost be like adding back Reyes, though instead of a leadoff hitter SS you'd get a cleanup hitter SS, with injury concerns.
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If Tigers are willing to grant an extension window, that could have *huge* impact on package they receive for David Price.
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#Tigers do not have policy against granting 48-hour windows for acquiring teams to negotiate contract extensions as part of trades.
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Hearing #Mets were willing to offer the #Rockies a 4 player package for Tulowitzki+cash. Offer headed by Wheeler with "3 other good names"
Granderson RF
Tejada SS
Murphy 3B
Johnson 2B
Duda 1B
Conforto LF
Kirk CF
Plawecki C
Harvey
Sources: Mets have discussed Zack Wheeler in trade talks - ( New Window )
Laughed yesterday when it was made to sound like Mets were getting calls on Wheeler. Mets have brought his name up. It is literally the ultimate prospect trade for the Mets.
Like Eric said, somewhat proven. Bigger name than a prospect to appease fans (one fan base in particular). May be ready next summer, latest following spring. Lower risk than a typical prospect.
From Mets perspective he will cost more next year than a typical prospect. Can't count on him for next year. Of their starters, he is the best bang for the buck on the group you don't mind moving. And the biggest part is that unlike a traditional prospect, his MLB clock has been ticking away to are/free agency already...
Don't think I would give up Wheeler for Bruce or any of the rentals however.
Terry Collins said Justin Turner endorsed Juan Uribe's clubhouse presence.
Terry Collins says he met with team and say they've been put "on notice" that it's perform or sit.
At first, if Wilmer plays SS, it would probably only be on day that Ruben needs off. Tejada will get day off soon.
Ruben Tejada probably remains the primary shortstop, but Wilmer may see time there. If slump, things can get shaken up.
Terry Collins says whomever is performing will play. If Juan Uribe starts at 3B a day, Murph may start at 2B. Flo may see time at SS too.
Here, according to sources, is where the Mets various pursuits stand:
A push for Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki left the Mets under the impression that Colorado did not want to trade him.
The Mets, however, also have looked into acquiring both super-utility man Ben Zobrist and reliever Tyler Clippard from the Athletics, a deal for Reds right fielder Jay Bruce and, according to CBS Sports Jon Heyman, a trade for Padres left fielder Justin Upton.
No deal appears close.
The Athletics, in fact, expect to receive better offers from other clubs for Zobrist and Clippard, most likely in separate trades.
The possibility of the Mets adding Bruce might also be gone the team discussed with the Reds an exchange of Bruce for right-hander Zack Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery, but the talks apparently did not gain traction.
As for Upton, the Mets balked at the Padres request for at least one top prospect, and the Pads did not offer to pay any of the remaining portion of Uptons $14.5 million salary, according to CBS Sports.
The New York Daily News first reported that the Mets would consider trading Wheeler. Rival executives say the Mets are deep enough in prospects to make a significant move without including any of their other top young pitchers in a trade.
Mets still have their eyes on some potential big-time acquisitions - ( New Window )
His may be the dumbest thing TC could have said to the team. Say it publicly, but to the team? Admit you managed the last several years differently?
And I don't want to hear the "what we're his options" from the excuse makers. If a guy is hitting "one fuckin seventy". You bench him, period. You find someone else who will hit "one fuckin sixty" and it has zero impact on the teams offense. Not an excuse.
It's Murphy that should be getting the rest, he's been hot garbage lately.
Sandy Alderson says he's exploring "big" moves but no guarantee something comes to fruition. #mets
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Terry Collins says he met with team and say they've been put "on notice" that it's perform or sit.
His may be the dumbest thing TC could have said to the team. Say it publicly, but to the team? Admit you managed the last several years differently?
And I don't want to hear the "what we're his options" from the excuse makers. If a guy is hitting "one fuckin seventy". You bench him, period. You find someone else who will hit "one fuckin sixty" and it has zero impact on the teams offense. Not an excuse.
kinda falls on deaf ears when he keeps trotting Murphy out there. Has been hitting like garbage, a butcher in the field, and doesn't hustle. I don't see him sitting much though.
It's Murphy that should be getting the rest, he's been hot garbage lately.
If the team is serious enough that they are exploring Tulowitzki I can live with Tejada for a little bit, especially given how he's currently playing.
By the way, interesting little factoid to put yesterday's move in perspective:
2013 - 2015 WAR
Kelly Johnson - 2.0
Juan Uribe - 9.9
Michael Cuddyer - 3.9
And they didn't have to give up a 1st round pick!!
I think it's 1 in the same, not 2 moves. I think if it works they sell the other team on the package of a few of our prospects like Nimmo and the fact that Wheeler is like getting a top pitching prospect who is already proven at the MLB level. Nimmo + Wheeler for Gomez type of thing.
Who is the homerun? Upton? When he's a FA after the season? Tulo with all his baggage? Bogaerts? I'd love to see that happen, but a TJ recovering Wheeler doesn't get that done.
Not being a dick, I trust your opinion, just want a definition of a HR in your opinion.
I think so, yes. I really like Wheeler but even if he comes back without any ill effects from TJS he might be the 5th or 6th best starter here. Plus keeping Fulmer, Montero, Meisner, Verrett in the pipeline, with their cheap years staggered from the current crop is a nice added bonus.
But it feels like trading a potential top of the rotation starter and an everyday ofer (worst case 4th Ofer) both under cost control for the foreseeable future for one-plus year of a 30-year old player on the decline.
maybe that's the kind of move that really is a HR when your offense is near the bottom and your pitching near the top to make you a contender, just feels lopsided.
Wheeler is a potential top of the rotation guy, but if you evaluate his place for this franchise, he's at best your 4th starter going forward. Niese and Matz could certainly have compelling arguments to push him down further depending on how the season ends. I'm not trying to minimize Wheeler's stuff & potential to be a top of the rotation starter just because we have depth, but unlike Thor, Harvey and JdG he has yet to perform that way in his career. Add in the inherent injury realities /risks, I'm not really sure how you'd be able to do better than getting a top player at a premium position at a fair price for 2 years.
Against a tough lefty if Lucas Duda sat, Eric Campbell now the primary righty-hitting 1B with Cuddyer on DL and Mayberry gone, TC says.
Against a tough lefty if Lucas Duda sat, Eric Campbell now the primary righty-hitting 1B with Cuddyer on DL and Mayberry gone, TC says.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
"put on notice" - perform or you don't play
Hey, Campbell. You're starting at 1B...
Is he fuckin serious? This was all said from the same guy? On the same day?
:)
In comment 12384880 Shecky said:
Not sure that's what it would take. Rockies are overflowing with OF and need pitching. Take out Nimmo and replace him with Fulmer. I think if a Tulo trade is ever consummated, there will be other fringe pieces from the Rockies coming with him. Also one thing helping is the loudest of the anti Tulo crowd is also the least often in attendance.
it would almost be like adding back Reyes, though instead of a leadoff hitter SS you'd get a cleanup hitter SS, with injury concerns.
If Tigers are willing to grant an extension window, that could have *huge* impact on package they receive for David Price.
Jon Morosi 21 minutes ago
#Tigers do not have policy against granting 48-hour windows for acquiring teams to negotiate contract extensions as part of trades.
Right now 3 back in the division and WC races
I'm predicting some runs for tonight. At least 5
His return is getting closer and closer!
but I wonder who the other names were and whoever else was coming back.
Hearing #Mets were willing to offer the #Rockies a 4 player package for Tulowitzki+cash. Offer headed by Wheeler with "3 other good names"
Hearing #Mets were willing to offer the #Rockies a 4 player package for Tulowitzki+cash. Offer headed by Wheeler with "3 other good names"
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if it's affordable.
1 was a pitcher (Montero or Fulmer)
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1 was a pitcher (Montero or Fulmer)
1 more position player (Nimmo, Herrera or Flores)
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