He missed all season to date. Has only pitched about five innings since back and hasn't pitched in three days. So not pitching him tonight because of a history of arm trouble shouldn't even be a consideration if they believe he would benefit for getting in an inning tonight.
A lot about nothing.
Steve, I don't want to be a dick because a) I respect you here b) I've had a few too many. BUT just trust me - mejia's fitness and workload to date is absolutely not an issue. "5 innings ytd" mean absolutely nothing for him.
Again, "they need the work" bullshit line that will get used. Well, simple. Give them the fuckin workload tomorrow. Then if you actually need them, they are fresh. And if you don't, then you limit DeGrom to six innings and extend him for the playoff push.
I'll stop, because there is no need to argue for any of us. His handling of the pitchers the last three innings were nothing but moronic and indefensible.
this before, August is particularly easy, so they have a chance to catch up. 9 games left against the Nats with 6 of them at home. They can't dwell on the past series, they have to think they can get them when they face them again.
Uribe and Johnson gives Collins options to rest guys and play match ups better. Muno was doing squat and Mayberry didnt have a good year. That's who they replaced.
still want to see them continue adding pieces if the price is right. Beat Greinke tomorrow and keep some momentum going vs. the Pads and things are going to get really interesting.
Imagine next Friday - TdA back, maybe another piece added via trade, Harvey/JdG/Thor scheduled to pitch. Citi will be rocking.
It's definitely not completely "ok" yet, but adding the 2 guys they added yesterday is probably already beyond what most of us were realistically expecting. TdA starting his rehab, Duda showing a pulse and Conforto going 4-4, I mean that's more half a new lineup. Pretty soon we may not have anyone on the roster hitting under .200.
It's definitely not completely "ok" yet, but adding the 2 guys they added yesterday is probably already beyond what most of us were realistically expecting. TdA starting his rehab, Duda showing a pulse and Conforto going 4-4, I mean that's more half a new lineup. Pretty soon we may not have anyone on the roster hitting under .200.
Im trying to keep it in perspective here but your right. We just added 3 new hitters to our lineup in the last 24 hours and they are all hitting already. TDA is playing in Bing tonight. Our GM told us today he is still big game fishing and we are a week from the deadline. Wright is supposed to start baseball activities this week. Thats a world wind of good news after months of injuries and disappointment. All that and I didn't even mention Duda, Murphy, Kirk, and others might seriously be coming out of it finally. One day at a time but Im feeling pretty good right now.
next weekend is another huge series. Nats come to town.
That Nats series is coming at the perfect time. Friday is the deadline and TDA is expected back around Friday. We could go into that series really ready for war.
can we please stay healthy from now until the end of the season. Haven't we fulfilled our quota?? PLEASE!
Injuries are going to happen, key is depth. Having a guy like Kelly Johnson who can step in anywhere to go with talented guys who can step in like Flores, Plawecki, and Verrett is as important as anything else. Depth is looking good, now the question is if they need another impact hitter. If Duda is back, TdA stays healthy, and Granderson doesn't slump they may be ok as is, but that's a lot of ifs so I'd feel a whole lot more comfortable with 1 more impact guy.
right now if Conforto is going to be able to be a solid major league player this early. If he is then there's your OF that none of us were really expecting. Im trying not to get carried away but if he is a starter, I completely change my mind on things.
I then really only see SS as a weakness and even Tejada/Flores isn't terrible.
Shit maybe you do go big for Tulo. I don't know. The whole thought of Tulo makes me too nervous for words. lol
Tulo is the game changing move, that's why Sandy has checked in twice
Sure, his health is scary, but his contract at this point is almost a steal. And also, we'd likely hang on to 2 of Rosario/Cecchini/Reynolds and at least 1 of Flores/Tejada, meaning we'd be pretty well equipped to handle resting him/a few trips to the DL over the next few seasons.
In the OF Kirk & Conforto are both definitely making things less urgent. But if there's a chance to get an impact player like Gomez or a rental like Cespedes cheaper than expected you have to do it. Need to do everything we can to get these pitchers to the post season.
I'd be shocked if Conforto isn't at least solid the rest of the year
And yes I know Tulo has better numbers but he also plays at Coors. You can't ignore that as we found out with Cuddyer.
My point, though, is The Mets traded Beltran for Wheeler Straight up. At that time Wheeler was having a meh year at A ball.
Now it takes Wheeler + 3 other prospects? Just don't see it. Tulo goes down, Mets are f--ked royally. No Cecchini and no money to sign anyone else. mets fans will be begging to get Tejada back. It's a huge gamble. And to me the reward I'd just not worth the risk
Now if they would take Fulmer, Flores and Dom smith, I'd do it. But I doubt that gets it done
And yes I know Tulo has better numbers but he also plays at Coors. You can't ignore that as we found out with Cuddyer.
My point, though, is The Mets traded Beltran for Wheeler Straight up. At that time Wheeler was having a meh year at A ball.
Now it takes Wheeler + 3 other prospects? Just don't see it. Tulo goes down, Mets are f--ked royally. No Cecchini and no money to sign anyone else. mets fans will be begging to get Tejada back. It's a huge gamble. And to me the reward I'd just not worth the risk
Now if they would take Fulmer, Flores and Dom smith, I'd do it. But I doubt that gets it done
Beltran was a playoff rental in the OF position. A SS signed long term is not apples to apples.
Beltran was 34 and far from the face of the franchise
at that point. Sounds like the Rockies aren't looking to dump Tulo right now, so who knows what it would take. They've always seemed somewhat irrational. Also I don't know that Wheeler's value is exponentially higher or lower right now. He made his debut for the Mets about 24 months after they acquired him for Beltran. For any team trading for him now it's going to be at least 12 months before he pitches in a game for them, and when he gets back there's obviously some question as far as what to expect. Plus he's 4 years closer to getting paid. Obviously he's had more success in the majors than any current prospect and has more name recognition for fans/opposing GMs. Tulo for Wheeler plus a couple non-premium pieces (Flores, Nimmo, Montero types) is pretty fair IMO, especially if there's significant $ coming back as well.
It's an insanely complicated deal obviously, so more than likely doesn't happen. But one of those trades that certainly should happen for both clubs. Simple breakdown:
For the Rockies. Obviously trading Tulo is like the Mets trading Wright. No one wants it to happen, but it's best. They need pitching as usual. Lots of free agent top end pitching, but they know they can't talk someone into how great their school system is again. They ideally wait till the offseason to see what, if any pitching, they can sign. Sign none, trade Tulo. That's their ideal scenario. Realistically, they need to trade for an ace.
Now, of all teams in the league who is willing to trade a controllable ace? Out of those zero teams, how many are looking to acquire a Tulo and his contract as well? Zero + zero = the Mets... Literally the only team in the league that matches up here. Rockies need a replacement SS, 1B and a catcher as well. They are set in the Of and 3b.
And vice versa - which team can the Mets match up that needs young pitching and has offense to spare. Cubs and Rockies? Rockies have a SS to move and ridiculous amount of Of depth. Are the Mets willing to move a big arm for a hitter? Have the Mets decided which catcher they will grow with? Which young SS's are untouchable? Are they willing to move Duda?
Long story short, there is a ton of potential for moves for both teams. But it's complex, so it probably doesn't happen. Though there is no reason on both sides for it not to happen. Reality says its best to happen in the offseason when they mets will be ready to move one of the catchers. When they can more easily replace Duda. When the Rockies realize they can't acquire an ace. When Wheeler has already thrown and is closer to a return.
Tulo obviously. Dickerson first, Dahl second (of), McMahon (blocked 3b prospect), and Tapia (of). Then some fringe players to be nameless
I'd be willing to move: Wheeler or (Montero &Fulmer). TdA. Duda. Nimmo - but unlikely they have any desire for him... Flores. Rosario. These are guys I think would all flourish in Colorado.
The one thing that might get overlooked is the GM's didn't start working on these trades last week. They talked during the Winter meetings and probably before that. They have been scouting potential targets all season long in the bigs and the minors. These deals don't just happen, there is more sense of urgency to get them done because there is a hard and fast deadline. One thing not to be overlooked from last night and I believe it is huge going forward was Matt Harvey's slider. He got the late hard bite back
Grandy, Murphy/Herrera, Tulo, Duda, Dickerson, Conforto/Cuddyer, Plawecki, uribe. <-- that is one tough lineup for a starting pitcher to contend with. A LOT. Of professional ABs up and down the lineup. IF, big if, but if Wright fights through for a playoff run, even better.
Harvey, DeGrom, Thor, Matz/Niese. Colon resorts to long man, end games with Robles, Parnell and Familia. Not a bad playoff pitching team.
Then you tweak it in the offseason and put the finishing touches on this roster.
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
.@MarcCarig says #Mets are looking coyly at Yoenis Cespedes, too. One name I keep hearing is Jay Bruce...Mets are scouting him heavily.
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
.@MarcCarig says #Mets are looking coyly at Yoenis Cespedes, too. One name I keep hearing is Jay Bruce...Mets are scouting him heavily.
Only problem with a Cespedes trade is you greatly reduce the odds of resigning him. Virtually a lock he is a rental. Bruce would be an outstanding trade!
Man, what a crazy deadline. Not sure if it's that we haven't been buyers over the past few years or what, but there seem to be a TON of good names out there on the market. Way more than at the last few winter meetings even.
he's just not a CFer, so are you moving Grandy to CF?
Putting Bruce out of position?
Where does Bruce fit?
I think you need to either acquire a CF or SS to make a trade compelling or include the player at the position your trading.
PJ,
Gomez is the only "big" CF available so your options are limited unless you want to add a lesser player. If the Mets are interested in Bruce/Cespedes it leads me to believe they are considering Granderson in CF, even part time.
Both good fielders who have spent some time there. But generally speaking that's why I'd rather spend more on Gomez/Tulo since they can be long term fixtures at positions that are weak right now.
Cespedes, Bruce, or any other CO you just send Conforto down. It probably wouldn't be the worst thing. Lets be serious. Conforto likely isn't giving us Cespedes/Bruce production for the rest of the season. It wold still be a big upgrade.
We have this discussion on MMO a lot and its real interesting to me. Essentially whenever anyone comes up with a trade proposal it is littered with personal bias regarding the players we "like".
Shecky has long been a Plawecki backer so most of his trade scenarios couldl involve TDA leaving.
Eric has long liked the idea of Flores at second so he might suggest trading Herrera, because he is a "threat" to that.
I might have gotten excited with what Cecchini is doing so now my trade proposals involve Rosario. lol
The major upgrade comes if you add a bat and keep Conforto HERE. If you add a bat and send him back down, you're almost canceling eachother out and not really improving the team.
I would much rather see Granderson in CF, Conforto in LF and Bruce/Cespedes/Reddick in RF than one of those 3 in LF with Lagares in CF and Granderson in RF.
Conforto is 100% ready to be here now. He should never see the minors again.
of trading a couple of their top trading chips and also keeping their core young pitching staff intact. I would prefer they don't use up their resources trading for an often injured, aging Tulo who's past stats have been inflated playing in Colorado.
Don't panic and build with youth around this young staff and this team has a chance of being set up for a nice long run these coming years.
I realize the defensive downgrade you employ by swapping Lagares out for Granderson in CF but if you use Lagares as a 4th OF/defensive replacement it could still work. The offense would be upgraded massively. We could always shuffle around a little too.
All of a sudden we would have an excellent bench, too. That team would be good enough to contend with TdA back in the mix.
would make Flores at SS look like Ordonez. Enough with playing guys out of position in key defensive positions. Especially for solid but not great corner outfield bats like the ones proposed.
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Familia hasn't pitched in 4 days. And Monday is a team off-day. No harm using him.
Last time there was no harm using him, we didn't use him the next day for a four inning save. Good point - no harm.
Exactly.
A lot about nothing.
Steve, I don't want to be a dick because a) I respect you here b) I've had a few too many. BUT just trust me - mejia's fitness and workload to date is absolutely not an issue. "5 innings ytd" mean absolutely nothing for him.
Again, "they need the work" bullshit line that will get used. Well, simple. Give them the fuckin workload tomorrow. Then if you actually need them, they are fresh. And if you don't, then you limit DeGrom to six innings and extend him for the playoff push.
I'll stop, because there is no need to argue for any of us. His handling of the pitchers the last three innings were nothing but moronic and indefensible.
Awesome.
On a lesser scale... and again he would have to do it more this week... Kirk too?
Shit maybe leave the OF alone. Platoon Kirk/Lagares start Granderson and Conforto with Cuddyer and Johnson in reserve? That may not be so bad?
Shit. I go back and forth daily. If thats the case trade for Tulo and be done with it. lol WS here we come.
Terry Collins on why Matt Harvey had better control tonight: "I'm sure he'll tell you a five-man rotation."
Terry Collins on why Matt Harvey had better control tonight: "I'm sure he'll tell you a five-man rotation."
Lol. Its almost funny. Only thing that gives me pause is that Darling swears by it daily. I think Colon does too.
Everything is lining up....
Cuddyer replaces Campbell
TDA replaces Recker
Matz back end of August
Wright and Blevins in September?
We could go into the playoffs positively loaded if everything works out. Especially if we still add another piece.....
Uribe and Johnson gives Collins options to rest guys and play match ups better. Muno was doing squat and Mayberry didnt have a good year. That's who they replaced.
Imagine next Friday - TdA back, maybe another piece added via trade, Harvey/JdG/Thor scheduled to pitch. Citi will be rocking.
It's definitely not completely "ok" yet, but adding the 2 guys they added yesterday is probably already beyond what most of us were realistically expecting. TdA starting his rehab, Duda showing a pulse and Conforto going 4-4, I mean that's more half a new lineup. Pretty soon we may not have anyone on the roster hitting under .200.
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before popping the "it's ok" champaign?
It's definitely not completely "ok" yet, but adding the 2 guys they added yesterday is probably already beyond what most of us were realistically expecting. TdA starting his rehab, Duda showing a pulse and Conforto going 4-4, I mean that's more half a new lineup. Pretty soon we may not have anyone on the roster hitting under .200.
Im trying to keep it in perspective here but your right. We just added 3 new hitters to our lineup in the last 24 hours and they are all hitting already. TDA is playing in Bing tonight. Our GM told us today he is still big game fishing and we are a week from the deadline. Wright is supposed to start baseball activities this week. Thats a world wind of good news after months of injuries and disappointment. All that and I didn't even mention Duda, Murphy, Kirk, and others might seriously be coming out of it finally. One day at a time but Im feeling pretty good right now.
That Nats series is coming at the perfect time. Friday is the deadline and TDA is expected back around Friday. We could go into that series really ready for war.
Injuries are going to happen, key is depth. Having a guy like Kelly Johnson who can step in anywhere to go with talented guys who can step in like Flores, Plawecki, and Verrett is as important as anything else. Depth is looking good, now the question is if they need another impact hitter. If Duda is back, TdA stays healthy, and Granderson doesn't slump they may be ok as is, but that's a lot of ifs so I'd feel a whole lot more comfortable with 1 more impact guy.
I then really only see SS as a weakness and even Tejada/Flores isn't terrible.
Shit maybe you do go big for Tulo. I don't know. The whole thought of Tulo makes me too nervous for words. lol
In the OF Kirk & Conforto are both definitely making things less urgent. But if there's a chance to get an impact player like Gomez or a rental like Cespedes cheaper than expected you have to do it. Need to do everything we can to get these pitchers to the post season.
My point, though, is The Mets traded Beltran for Wheeler Straight up. At that time Wheeler was having a meh year at A ball.
Now it takes Wheeler + 3 other prospects? Just don't see it. Tulo goes down, Mets are f--ked royally. No Cecchini and no money to sign anyone else. mets fans will be begging to get Tejada back. It's a huge gamble. And to me the reward I'd just not worth the risk
Now if they would take Fulmer, Flores and Dom smith, I'd do it. But I doubt that gets it done
My point, though, is The Mets traded Beltran for Wheeler Straight up. At that time Wheeler was having a meh year at A ball.
Now it takes Wheeler + 3 other prospects? Just don't see it. Tulo goes down, Mets are f--ked royally. No Cecchini and no money to sign anyone else. mets fans will be begging to get Tejada back. It's a huge gamble. And to me the reward I'd just not worth the risk
Now if they would take Fulmer, Flores and Dom smith, I'd do it. But I doubt that gets it done
Beltran was a playoff rental in the OF position. A SS signed long term is not apples to apples.
For the Rockies. Obviously trading Tulo is like the Mets trading Wright. No one wants it to happen, but it's best. They need pitching as usual. Lots of free agent top end pitching, but they know they can't talk someone into how great their school system is again. They ideally wait till the offseason to see what, if any pitching, they can sign. Sign none, trade Tulo. That's their ideal scenario. Realistically, they need to trade for an ace.
Now, of all teams in the league who is willing to trade a controllable ace? Out of those zero teams, how many are looking to acquire a Tulo and his contract as well? Zero + zero = the Mets... Literally the only team in the league that matches up here. Rockies need a replacement SS, 1B and a catcher as well. They are set in the Of and 3b.
And vice versa - which team can the Mets match up that needs young pitching and has offense to spare. Cubs and Rockies? Rockies have a SS to move and ridiculous amount of Of depth. Are the Mets willing to move a big arm for a hitter? Have the Mets decided which catcher they will grow with? Which young SS's are untouchable? Are they willing to move Duda?
Long story short, there is a ton of potential for moves for both teams. But it's complex, so it probably doesn't happen. Though there is no reason on both sides for it not to happen. Reality says its best to happen in the offseason when they mets will be ready to move one of the catchers. When they can more easily replace Duda. When the Rockies realize they can't acquire an ace. When Wheeler has already thrown and is closer to a return.
I'd be willing to move: Wheeler or (Montero &Fulmer). TdA. Duda. Nimmo - but unlikely they have any desire for him... Flores. Rosario. These are guys I think would all flourish in Colorado.
For
Tulo, Dickerson, McMahon, Brothers
Grandy, Murphy/Herrera, Tulo, Duda, Dickerson, Conforto/Cuddyer, Plawecki, uribe. <-- that is one tough lineup for a starting pitcher to contend with. A LOT. Of professional ABs up and down the lineup. IF, big if, but if Wright fights through for a playoff run, even better.
Harvey, DeGrom, Thor, Matz/Niese. Colon resorts to long man, end games with Robles, Parnell and Familia. Not a bad playoff pitching team.
Then you tweak it in the offseason and put the finishing touches on this roster.
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
.@MarcCarig says #Mets are looking coyly at Yoenis Cespedes, too. One name I keep hearing is Jay Bruce...Mets are scouting him heavily.
Putting Bruce out of position?
Where does Bruce fit?
I think you need to either acquire a CF or SS to make a trade compelling or include the player at the position your trading.
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
.@MarcCarig says #Mets are looking coyly at Yoenis Cespedes, too. One name I keep hearing is Jay Bruce...Mets are scouting him heavily.
Only problem with a Cespedes trade is you greatly reduce the odds of resigning him. Virtually a lock he is a rental. Bruce would be an outstanding trade!
Putting Bruce out of position?
Where does Bruce fit?
I think you need to either acquire a CF or SS to make a trade compelling or include the player at the position your trading.
PJ,
Gomez is the only "big" CF available so your options are limited unless you want to add a lesser player. If the Mets are interested in Bruce/Cespedes it leads me to believe they are considering Granderson in CF, even part time.
Shecky has long been a Plawecki backer so most of his trade scenarios couldl involve TDA leaving.
Eric has long liked the idea of Flores at second so he might suggest trading Herrera, because he is a "threat" to that.
I might have gotten excited with what Cecchini is doing so now my trade proposals involve Rosario. lol
Its just funny to me.
I would much rather see Granderson in CF, Conforto in LF and Bruce/Cespedes/Reddick in RF than one of those 3 in LF with Lagares in CF and Granderson in RF.
Conforto is 100% ready to be here now. He should never see the minors again.
Don't panic and build with youth around this young staff and this team has a chance of being set up for a nice long run these coming years.
All of a sudden we would have an excellent bench, too. That team would be good enough to contend with TdA back in the mix.